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Honda's FCX gets a fat check from the government

Tax credits for buying fuel efficient vehicles isn't anything out of the ordinary in the United States. Hybrids like the Toyota Prius, Honda Civic Hybrid and Ford Escape Hybrid have qualified for tax credits (as much as $3,150 for the Prius) from the Internal Revenue Service for a few years now.

Toyota, however, has become a victim of its own success when it comes to tax credits for its hybrid vehicles. Due to restrictions implemented by the Energy Policy Act of 2005 (based on the number of units sold), Toyota hybrid buyers saw their tax credit drop from $3,150 in Q3 2006 to $1,575 in Q4 2006 and to $787 in Q2 2007 -- by Q4 2007, the tax credit will disappear.

While Toyota may be losing a key selling point in offloading its hybrids to customers, Honda just earned a whopper of a credit from the IRS. Its FCX hydrogen fuel cell vehicle has qualified for a $12,000 tax credit from the IRS.

Honda Fuel Cell Marketing Manager Stephen Ellis remarked that the $12,000 IRS credit was "further validation that the FCX is a real vehicle" and proves that hydrogen fuel cell vehicles are "another step toward market viability."

"The consumer focus is where we need to put more attention," said Ellis in May. "We started with fleets, added a few consumers, now we're going to swing the pendulum."

Despite the fact that the IRS coughed up the tax credit and Honda was quick to praise the recognition, the FCX is still not available to the public. The vehicle will see limited consumer trials in 2008. And there's also the issue of pricing -- Honda still hasn't provided an estimate for the cost of the vehicle.

The FCX has a driving range of 270 miles and a top speed of 100 MPH. Its 0-60 acceleration of 9 seconds flat won't win many stoplight races, but it should be enough for most buyers.



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Ugly?
By UppityMatt on 8/9/2007 12:53:45 PM , Rating: 1
Why cant they make a Hydrogen Car that looks... well normal. Throw it on an accord frame and im sure they will do fine, but im sick of these ugly (to me) cars.




RE: Ugly?
By fk49 on 8/9/2007 1:08:22 PM , Rating: 2
Most of the efficiency of these cars comes from superior aerodynamics rather than an efficient engine. They've shown that with the Prius vs Civic/Accord hybrids.

Unfortunately, as another poster complained, this design, right now, yields the best aerodynamics.


RE: Ugly?
By blaster5k on 8/9/2007 1:20:39 PM , Rating: 5
Personally, I like the design. It's sexier than the '07 Accord I think.


RE: Ugly?
By A5un on 8/9/2007 1:21:41 PM , Rating: 2
Totally agree with you there. Accords are just so boring looking


RE: Ugly?
By Aprime on 8/9/2007 1:43:41 PM , Rating: 2
The '08(.5, or maybe '09, it isn't clear right now) won't be doing anything to help it, I tell ya.


RE: Ugly?
By Spuke on 8/9/2007 2:57:32 PM , Rating: 3
You can have a beautiful shape with a low coefficient of drag. The new Infiniti G37 has a CD of .29 which pretty low. I think the design of the hybrids is more intentional than functional.


RE: Ugly?
By DocDraken on 8/10/2007 7:12:10 AM , Rating: 2
A CD of 0.29 is definitely not impressive! That was only good back in the early to mid 90's.


RE: Ugly?
By ralith on 8/10/2007 10:28:43 AM , Rating: 2
Wikipedia seems to disagree with you. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_coefficient and scroll most of the way down and they have a nice list of car pics and Cd for the car below it. A Cd of .29 seems like it is on the good side still. Of course as the article states it does depend greatly on what the car designer are trying to do.


RE: Ugly?
By PCDestroyer on 8/10/2007 5:55:32 PM , Rating: 2
You shouldn't believe everything you read...especially from Wikipedia...


RE: Ugly?
By Samus on 8/10/2007 4:56:29 PM , Rating: 2
Dude, my mustang has a drag of .30, and its a box. I agree with Doc, .29 isn't anything spectacular, most modern cars are beyond that nowadays.


RE: Ugly?
By GhandiInstinct on 8/9/2007 6:48:49 PM , Rating: 3
What are you talking about?!?!?!?!

http://z.about.com/d/cars/1/7/b/b/accord_coupe_con...

The 08' looks AMAZING, best looking sedan in its class.


RE: Ugly?
By A5un on 8/9/2007 7:16:15 PM , Rating: 2
Acura TL anyone?


RE: Ugly?
By maevinj on 8/9/2007 11:34:54 PM , Rating: 2
looks like a tiburon


RE: Ugly?
By Trogdor on 8/9/2007 11:47:33 PM , Rating: 2
Only that's a coupe...


RE: Ugly?
By Spyvie on 8/9/2007 1:29:23 PM , Rating: 2
This car looks way cool.

Shorten the wheelbase a little and make it a coup, it would be the most aggressive looking car on the road.


RE: Ugly?
By exanimas on 8/9/2007 1:29:36 PM , Rating: 1
From the side it almost looks like a mix of a Lamborghini and a Dodge Intrepid. Just my opinion though.


RE: Ugly?
By estarkey7 on 8/9/2007 2:26:11 PM , Rating: 2
I was looking at the car and could quite pinpoint why it looked so familiar to me? But if it was bright red, black or Canary Yellow, it could sure pass for a Lambo!!!


RE: Ugly?
By feraltoad on 8/9/2007 4:29:02 PM , Rating: 2
I was totally thinking the same thing. IMO it looks great. A black one with all tinted windows would be very easy on the eyes, if not the maitenance of the finish.


RE: Ugly?
By JonnyDough on 8/10/2007 6:52:42 AM , Rating: 2
It needs suicide doors. :-P


RE: Ugly?
By BillyBatson on 8/9/2007 4:05:53 PM , Rating: 2
I actually don't think this is too ugly it has a little more sport feel to it and isn't nearly as ugly as the Prius which is one of the ugliest cars ever imo.
However they already HAVE a hybrid slapped onto an accord frame, civic frame, Camry fram, and many more that lok like normal cars.


RE: Ugly?
By Treckin on 8/9/2007 5:22:03 PM , Rating: 2
The reason they cant 'throw it on an Accord frame is that it has to be installed on its own special platform.

The only questions I have are:
1) When will the energy companies shut this down?
and
2) When will there be sufficient hydrogen infrastructure to make such a vehicle viable for the average Joe?

on number 2, considering that the franchise rights for most US gas stations are owned and often even operated directly by the energy peddlers, are they likely to undercut their petroleum sales in favor of a product that will create fewer stops by customers at a reduced fuel cost and profit margin for them? I would say that they are more likely to offer hydrogen at pumping stations, but they will adjust the price so that its only a few cents per mile cheaper than standard gas