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Honda is gunning for the Toyota Prius with a new small hybrid
Honda puts its crosshairs on the Toyota Prius

Honda was the first car company to bring a modern gasoline-electric hybrid to the U.S. market with the Insight in 1999. Since that time, however, Honda has been relegated to a distant second in the hybrid sales race to Toyota.

Although remarkably fuel efficient, Honda's two-seat Insight never caught on with the American public. Two generations of Civic Hybrids and an Accord Hybrid also weren't enough to sway hordes of people to Honda showrooms. In the case of the Civic Hybrid, it was the innocuous styling -- the Accord Hybrid failed due to its "performance hybrid" nature which resulted in meager fuel economy gains over a conventional Accord V6.

As a result, Toyota simply ran away from the field with its unique, roomy and highly practical second generation Prius. While the styling of the Prius didn't set many hearts ablaze, Americans automatically associated the Prius with being a hybrid.

Toyota sold over 110,000 units of the Prius through the first seven months of 2007. Honda, on the other hand, struggled to sell one-fifth that number with the Civic Hybrid and Accord Hybrid sales combined.

"The Prius has become synonymous with hybrid; it's the Kleenex of hybrids," said Honda senior VP John Mendel. "We feel Honda should be synonymous with the most fuel-efficient company in America."

Tired of standing in Toyota's shadow, Honda is looking for a little magic of its own and is building a dedicated hybrid car that will have its own unique look. According to Honda execs, the new "Global Small Hybrid" will be a five-passenger vehicle, have a price tag of under $22,000 and will arrive in 2009.

Honda also says that the Global Small Hybrid will have better fuel economy than the Prius. Given the company’s past experience with the Insight and its title as "The most fuel-efficient company in America," Honda surely has the experience and fortitude to achieve that goal.

Honda, however, isn't placing all of its eggs in one basket in hybrid technology. While Toyota is looking to make all of its vehicle hybrids by 2020, Honda is aiming to reserve hybrid technology for its small cars while giving customers the option of a diesel engine in its larger vehicles.



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competition
By Moishe on 8/28/2007 9:34:51 AM , Rating: 5
Competition is good... and Honda can do it if anyone can. I don't think $22k is that great of a price. I think someone needs to build an affordable hybrid (< $15k)

I think it's odd that the looks of the civic and accord hybrids are being blamed for the lack of sales. I personally would rather have a regular looking car that also happens to be hybrid than a car that is ugly and hybrid. I think the real reason is that people simply like the way the Prius looks better than the accord or civic... the Hondas have always been very boring looking. While the Prius is ugly, at least it's different.




RE: competition
By mdogs444 on 8/28/2007 9:43:32 AM , Rating: 2
I personally hate the Prius. Looks like a modern day grocery getter. But Honda's will have a similar look as well. The reason they look that way is for 1)Aerodynamics, and B)they need the room to be able to store components that make it a hybrid.

Dont you think if they could make full hybrid that looked like a G35, or Audi A4 they would? I believe the parts just arent small enough yet.

As far as the price is concerned, i wouldn't pay $22k for it either. But then again, honda civics are around $20k to begin with. The day of buying QUALITY cars under $20k is about to come to an end. If you want to stick to that price range, you will have to buy a Hyundai, Kia, Daewoo, or some other piece of crap.


RE: competition
By WhiteBoyFunk on 8/28/2007 9:59:19 AM , Rating: 3
As a reader of DT, aren't you familiar with the Tesla Roadster? I believe the components of that were pretty small AND it looks hella good.


RE: competition
By killerroach on 8/28/2007 10:23:53 AM , Rating: 3
As a DT reader, I'm also familiar with the price tag on the Tesla Roadster. It's just not in the same class as the Prius.

The Prius is the iPod of hybrid cars. It may or may not be the best one out there, but it's synonymous with its market, and they're thought of as being "cool" to own. I'm sure Honda will be able to come up with one heck of a product, but it'll probably take more than a better car to dislodge the Prius' market dominance.


RE: competition
By Sulphademus on 8/28/2007 1:55:54 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
The Prius is the iPod of hybrid cars.


So would that make Honda's competitor the Zune?


RE: competition
By PCDestroyer on 8/29/2007 7:12:03 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe more like a SanDisk Sansa Connect player. It has more features, but they're not as stylish...


RE: competition
By ss284 on 8/28/2007 11:12:19 AM , Rating: 3
Are you yourself familiar with the Tesla yourself? The Tesla isnt a hybrid, its fully electric car. Its just a battery and electric motor stuck into a lotus elise. You can't fill it up with gas, and it has to be recharged when its batteries die.


RE: competition
By WhiteBoyFunk on 8/28/2007 12:26:49 PM , Rating: 2
Yup, it's a full electric and 2 speed. The body style WAS taken from a Lotus (although it doesn't really look like the Elise ). It's not even that expensive, but production numbers are low. Why go with hybrid/slow when you could go electric/fast? I don't follow that logic.


RE: competition
By Moishe on 8/28/2007 11:24:31 AM , Rating: 2
1 billion dollars, and it's a sports car. very impractical and tiny.

What we need is a regular affordable 4 seat/4 door hybrid.


RE: competition
By FITCamaro on 8/28/2007 12:36:03 PM , Rating: 2
Uh yes and it also costs $100,000.


RE: competition
By tjr508 on 8/28/2007 12:53:39 PM , Rating: 2
Let's not forget, that car uses battery technology that EVERY major automaker has dismissed as currrently unsafe for this type of application.


RE: competition
By leexgx on 8/29/2007 10:55:43 PM , Rating: 2
exploading cars :)

thay are unsafe when thay fail but there is allways wasy to put in safe gards


RE: competition
By Spivonious on 8/28/2007 10:12:18 AM , Rating: 4
I think the person buying the Prius is the same person who gets the groceries, so the styling issue isn't an issue at all.

You can buy lots of quality cars for under $20k:

Chevrolet
Aveo, Cobalt, Colorado, HHR, Malibu, Silverado

Chrysler
PT Cruiser, Sebring

Dodge
Avenger, Caliber, Caravan

Ford
Escape, F-150, Focus, Fusion, Mustang, Ranger

GMC
Canyon, Sierra

Honda
Accord, Civic, Element, Fit

Hyundai (much better than they used to be)
Accent, Elantra, Sonata, Tiburon, Tucson

Jeep
Compass, Patriot, Wrangler

Mazda
Mazda3, Mazda6, Tribute

Mercury
Milan

MINI
Cooper

Mitsubishi
Lancer

Nissan
Altima, Frontier, Sentra, Versa

Pontiac
G5, G6, Vibe

Saturn
Ion, VUE

Scion
tC, xB, xD

Subaru
Impreza

Toyota
Camry, Corolla, Matrix, Tacoma, Yaris

Volkswagen
Jetta, Beetle, Rabbit

I left out the Isuzus, Suzukis, and Kias because you're right, they're crap. I can't attest to the quality of all of these cars, but I can say that my Focus, my brother-in-law's Rabbit, my sister's Matrix, my friend's Cobalt, my other friend's Altima, and my other friend's Aveo are all running fine and haven't had any major problems.


RE: competition
By therealnickdanger on 8/28/2007 10:24:11 AM , Rating: 3
I'm beginning to believe that "crap" cars are a bit of a myth. Every vehicle is bound to have a lemon or a recall, but ultimately if you define quality as "not breaking down often", there are plenty of quality cars out there. Keep any car clean and well-maintained and it will last a long time. I have a couple friends that drive what they claim to be POSs, but I never seem them treat the vehicle with an ounce of respect. It's a POS because of neglect.

Some people only define "quality" as a plush, powerful ride with a sporty suspension, in which case I think may mislead you to believe that anything without a .85g skidpad rating is "crap". I'm actually shocked by the perceived INCREASE in quality sub-20k cars.


RE: competition
By Moishe on 8/28/2007 11:23:34 AM , Rating: 2
Some cars simply are flimsy and break often (relative to most cars). Generally those are fixed fast because they really damage the manufacturer's rep.

but overall, even the Suzukis and Kias are way better than they used to be. I think what we pay for is the luxury items that we all take for granted.

99% of people want AC and a stereo. I think everything not essential should be optional. When I price computers at dell, I find the cheapest and then try to downgrade it to see what the floor is... we should be able to do that with cars.


RE: competition
By FITCamaro on 8/28/2007 12:37:51 PM , Rating: 2
You're not helping yourself by admitting you shop for computers at Dell. They are hardly the cheapest or the best.


RE: competition
By Oregonian2 on 8/28/2007 12:50:36 PM , Rating: 2
Note that the cheapest one won't be the best and vice versa. It's a matter of finding the compromise that suits one best.


RE: competition
By Shark Tek on 8/28/2007 2:36:59 PM , Rating: 2
Amen to that, I agree 100%


RE: competition
By Moishe on 8/28/2007 2:17:42 PM , Rating: 2
I've never bought one from Dell.. in fact I've never bought a prebuilt computer :) BUT whenever I build one (or in research for others) I do go to Dell and customize one down all the way to see what the bargain is.


RE: competition
By retrospooty on 8/28/07, Rating: 0