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New LG products. Image courteys of Akihabara News
Blu-ray for all

Akihabara News reports Hitachi-LG has launched a new 4x Blu-ray equipped PC and Blu-ray burner. We first got a taste of the GBW-H10N last month, but it looks like the drive is officially on the store shelves in Japan now.

LG’s XPION X600 series desktop PC features Blu-ray high definition video playback capabilities. The Blu-ray playback component of the XPION X600 is provided by LG’s Super Multi Blue drive that supports Blu-ray and DVD formats. Backing the Blu-ray drive is an NVIDIA GeForce 7900GT with HDCP compatibility and Pentium D 945 processor. Also included with the XPION X600 systems is 1GB of DDR2 memory and a 320GB hard drive.

For those of us not interested in buying an entirely new PC for Blu-ray, LG will also sell the GBW-H10N Super Multi Blue writer separately. The Super Multi Blue can burn Blu-ray recordable media at 4x while Blu-ray rewriteable media is limited to 2x. Up to 25GB of data can be stored on a single Blu-ray disc, though larger capacities are expected in the future. It is unknown if the LG GBW-H10N will support larger Blu-ray discs. DVD and CD recordable media formats are also supported with the GBW-H10N.

A Blu-ray player is expected before the end of the year, according to Akihabara News. There’s no mention of availability of the XPION X600 systems, though it may not be available to North American customers as LG doesn’t have much presence in the North American markets. As far as the Super Multi Blue GBW-H10N goes it most likely won’t be cost effective as other Blu-ray drives retail for north of $700.




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Nice...
By Strunf on 8/30/2006 7:36:05 AM , Rating: 1
hmmm I don’t know about you guys but to me the chick in the middle is rather hot :D

Is it me or the more it goes the more the Blu-ray looks like the winner.
Let's see prices keep going down really fast and speed keep increasing in no time the drives will be around 500$, price that will make them rather interesting for the HTPC systems.




RE: Nice...
By RussianSensation on 8/30/2006 7:46:54 AM , Rating: 1
$500-700 for a 4x player that needs a $3-5k US 1080P true native HDTV in a market where a single 25gb empty disc will cost about $15-25, and majority of graphics cards that still dont have HDMI with HDCP port? Doesn't sound like a winner to me, maybe in 2-3 years when you can buy it for $30 and 100 discs for $20...and you dont need a 5k 1080P tv to enjoy it?

Oh wait, that's a DVD. Don't get me wrong I love new technology, I just dont want to pay premium prices when there is little benefit in the beginning of its lifecycle.


RE: Nice...
By Lonyo on 8/30/2006 8:14:48 AM , Rating: 2
Yup.
I think the winner will start to become clearer at the end of 2007 when we hopefully have mass availability of drives/players at reasonable costs, and media also at reasonable costs, and when speeds have picked up. And when we have a decent catalogue of films from each format.
It's far too early to declare anything a winner yet, when it's mainly only hardcore early adopters who are getting into either format.


RE: Nice...
By Strunf on 8/30/2006 10:58:33 AM , Rating: 2
I don’t say the Blu-ray is the clear winner, I’m just saying the Blu-ray seems to be ahead at least when it comes to the PC world.

“it's mainly only hardcore early adopters who are getting into either format.”
That’s true but that’s the case for everything, first the hardcore, then the high end, and so on till the little guy, and if the hardcore guys declare either format the winner chances are the other format will never make it to the little guy.

Either way by middle 2007 it will be rather easy to see who’s going to win, today on the movies sector the HD-DVD is already at its best and the Blu-ray can only get better (thing that will happen before the end of the year...probably), on the PC side the Blu-ray is clearly ahead of the HD-DVD...

The major steps ahead are dual-layer Blu-ray movies, MPEG-4 or VC-1 Blu-ray movies, HD-DVD PC drives and the PS-3... after all that we’ll know who wins.


RE: Nice...
By Strunf on 8/30/2006 10:41:17 AM , Rating: 2
What you said is also true for the HD-DVD... my point is that between the HD-DVD and Blu-ray, the Blu-ray seems to be developing faster.

"Don't get me wrong I love new technology, I just dont want to pay premium prices when there is little benefit in the beginning of its lifecycle"
I don’t think you love new technology or you wouldn’t say such thing, Blu-ray today is actually cheaper than the DVD was back then, not to mention we got Blu-ray drives around the same time we got Blu-ray players when with the DVD it wasn’t the case. If we were to compare the price/ technology jump between the Blu-ray (today) and the DVD (when it made to stores), I’m not sure the DVD would provide more bang for the buck than the Blu-ray...


RE: Nice...
By Xenoterranos on 8/30/2006 11:17:11 AM , Rating: 2
The argument about it being cheaper than DVD might have been a saving grace of this new tech, if it were not for the fact that the only reason these formats (BR in particular) are expensive (and terribly long in the comming) is because the media companies want them locked down with all their DRM.

DVD was a new technology, WAY better than the one it replaced, and more than that, it was needed. At the time, the only reasonable way to store 4 gigs was magnetic. DVD made all that extra bagage go away. What does BR and HDVD give us that we don't already have? Magnetc media is actually cheaper now, DVD's are damned near disposable, and more an more people are clammoring for media sans disk, as opposed to a new format. I think it's the last attempt by the media companies at maintaining the stats quo as opposed to a true attempt at furthering technology.


RE: Nice...
By edpsx on 8/30/2006 4:55:40 PM , Rating: 2
There are many 1080p TV's that only cost $3k... some even less than that. So you dont have to spend $5k on a TV to enjoy BD now. $3k for a TV has been the norm pretty much for a good TV that is up to date. (55-60" anyways) And nobody really needs a 71" TV.. thats just showing off. Of course buying anything BlueRay right now is just showing off anyways.


RE: Nice...
By edpsx on 8/30/2006 4:56:14 PM , Rating: 2
And the chick in the middle is teh Hotness!


RE: Nice...
By dice1111 on 8/30/2006 9:28:43 AM , Rating: 2
Well, there just seems to be more Bluray news.

I beleve that the people in the HD-DVD camp really need to start pushing out more drives and media for get the name out. Even standard marketing would allow the name to get out and have the general masses take notice. This is what Sony/Bluray is doing, and it seem to be suiting them well. Take the above post for example.

Come one HD-DVD! Lets see some compitition so we can lower these drive prices!


cheap ROM-only only version?
By i2mfan on 8/30/2006 8:12:43 AM , Rating: 2
Why not release a cheap ROM-only only version for movie playback?

I figure that if I could get ROM only versions of HD($350 vs Toshiba player $500) and BD($450 vs Sony Burner $750), I could build an HTPC that play both formats. I don't really care for the burning part for now. It's not hybrid all in one but close :D I put the expected price(?) of the drive vs price of the standalone player on the market now. Don't really know.


Any one know of such models and the price?




RE: cheap ROM-only only version?
By DeepBlue1975 on 8/30/2006 8:57:45 AM , Rating: 2
I really don't like how the newest optical technologies are developing.
When the first CD-Rom drives came out, there weren't any HDDs capable of holding as much as 600mb.
When DVDR drives came out (around 1997), you already had hdds capable of storing as much as 17gbs vs 4gb on a dvd.
And now here it comes this darned thing which can only hold the content of 3 DL dvds for about 4x the media price and slower speeds, when you are closing to 1TB of HDD storage.
Seems to be, IMHO, more of a marketing move than a technological leap.
I'll wait for the real leap to come, something that at least can hold 100gb on a single disc (at least a DL one), as blue-ray once upon a time promised...
6 times the capacity for about 20 times the price seems like a 100% looser for me. I just can see this as a "braging right giver" device.
Besides, I don't really care about ultra hi fi movie def, as my not-so-great-eyes hardly can tell the difference of a divx movie vs a 720p one on a 20" LCD screen seen at a 4ft distance :D


RE: cheap ROM-only only version?
By xsilver on 8/30/2006 9:23:35 AM , Rating: 2
why not incorporate devices with inbuilt USB/firewire ports at the front for mobile media storage?
40g laptop hdd+external case = cheaper than 1 BR disc
you only need somewhere to use it.

Personally I think that will be the way of the future anyways.
latest Mobile phones already have 4gig storage.
Mobile library in your pocket at all times.
/runs to patent office :)


RE: cheap ROM-only only version?
By ChugokuOtaku on 8/30/2006 10:41:23 AM , Rating: 2
that should be the future for 2.5" form factor harddisks.
Just a matter of time before low/medium capacity flash ROM drives will replace mechanical harddrives in laptops. The best way to utilize the 40/60/80gig+ laptop harddrives is to have them in ultra compact enclosures that can dock straight into a 3.5" bay with an adapter interface on a desktop desktops. Or even better, since they'll all be eSATA by then, it can directly connect, without having to bridge an interface.


RE: cheap ROM-only only version?
By Xenoterranos on 8/30/2006 11:23:40 AM , Rating: 2
++ esata!
When you think of all the advances made to stabalize the durability or flash and magnetic media nowadays, static disks start to seem more and more like nothing more than good archiving devices. And in that light, BR and HDDVD start to look even more limp and useless. We need a static medium that can hold much more than this. Just look at the 120mb "superdisk" floppies and zip drives to see how long incremental increases in media stroage will keep the consumer happy.


By lobadobadingdong on 8/30/2006 1:11:43 PM , Rating: 2
??? I know people that still don't have a dvd player because vhs movies are still cheaper and "good enough".


By lobadobadingdong on 8/30/2006 1:12:50 PM , Rating: 2
??? I know people that still don't have a dvd player because vhs movies are still cheaper and "good enough".


Product Pictures
By deeznuts on 8/30/2006 1:37:33 PM , Rating: 2
How come they didn't show any pictures of the products? I didn't see any in there.




CD Recorders
By nah on 8/31/2006 9:13:33 AM , Rating: 2
Actually we should be grateful--the first CD burners cost USD 35,000 ( 1988 ) and they could record audio at 1x--to record data an additional circuit board called the LEA had to be implemented at USD 14,000--this was for the Meridian Data Professional. It could record from a special hard disk subsystem known as the CD Publisher which weighed 300 pounds and was 30" X 21" X 42 "--about the size of a washing machine. Four ESDI drives had to be used--IDE didn't exist, SCSI was in it's infancy andMFM drives which were in use them were too small--4 drives were spanned to make 1.5 GB of space in 2 partitions--1 MS-DOS and 1 ISO 9660--all of this was used with an Intel 80386 @ 25 Mhz, 8 MB RAM, and a 4 MB hard drive. Using the thing was a pain--it had probably one of the most confusing user interfaces--and CD-R s cost about USD 100. So if you got everthing right and started burning at 1x and you slightly bumped the unit --you were out on 2-3 hrs of time and $100. BD-REs ain't so bad.




By MikeO on 9/1/2006 7:41:27 AM , Rating: 2
DailyTech on August 11, 2006:

"Sony's first Blu-Ray disk drive won't be able to play protected movies released on the Blu-Ray format"

So are we supposed to assume that it's only Sony's own drive that has DRM issues and won't play Blu-Ray movies (at least for now) but other manufacturers drives do? That doesn't really make sense to me.




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