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AMD's 12-core and 8-core processors get a new home in 2010

AMD's newest roadmap reveals a major shift in early 2010: the company will once again overhaul its socket architecture to make way for DDR3 support. 

The new socket, dubbed G34, will also ship with two new second-generation 45nm processors. The first of these processors, 8-core Sao Paolo, is described as a "twin native-quadcore Shanghai processor" by one AMD engineer.  Shanghai, expected to ship late this year, is AMD's first 45nm shrink of the ill-fated Barcelona processor. 

This past April, AMD guidance hinted at a 12-core behemoth of a processor.  This CPU is now named Magny-Cours after the French town made famous by its Formula One French Grand Prix circuit. 

Both of these new processors will feature four HyperTransport 3 interconnects, 12MB of L3 cache and 512KB L2 cache per core.

Intel's next-generation Nehalem chip, scheduled for launch late this year but already well leaked, is the first to feature tri-channel DDR3 memory support.  AMD will up the ante in 2010, with registered and unregistered quad-channel DDR3 support.  Current roadmaps claim standard support will include speeds from 800 to 1600 MHz.

AMD insiders would reveal very little about the G34 socket, other than its a derivative of the highly secretive G3 socket that was to replace Socket F (1207). As far as company documentation goes, G3 ceased to exist in March 2008, and has been replaced with the G34 program instead.  The first of these sockets will be available for developers in early 2009.

We counted 1974 pin connects on the leaked G34 diagram -- 767 more pins than AMD's current LGA1207 socket.  Given the additional interconnect pathways for DDR3 and the HyperTransport buses, a significant increase in the number of pins was to be expected.

The addition of a fourth HyperTransport link may prove to be one of the most interesting features of the Sao Paulo and Magny-Cours processors. In a full four-socket configuration, each physical processor will dedicate a HyperTransport link to each of the other sockets. This leaves one additional HyperTransport lane per processor, which AMD documentation claims will finally be used for its long-discussed Torrenza program.

The hype behind Torrenza largely disappeared after AMD's Barcelona launch sour, though the company has hinted before that Torrenza will make a perfect interconnect to GPUs or IBM Cell processors.  This is exactly the type of setup roadmapped for the fastest public supercomputer in the world, IBM's Roadrunner.

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By sprockkets on 7/16/2008 7:17:43 PM , Rating: 5
Reads to me as Many Cores :)

RE: Magny-Cours?
By HaZaRd2K6 on 7/16/2008 7:51:49 PM , Rating: 2
Nice catch, I didn't even realize that ;-)

RE: Magny-Cours?
By Some1ne on 7/16/2008 8:26:34 PM , Rating: 5
I read it as "mangy cores". Probably not what AMD was going for.

RE: Magny-Cours?
By Gul Westfale on 7/16/2008 10:14:13 PM , Rating: 3
they gave their chip a french codename... is this a freudian slip involving defeatism?


RE: Magny-Cours?
By niaaa on 7/17/08, Rating: 0
RE: Magny-Cours?
By randomly on 7/17/2008 8:08:05 AM , Rating: 2
Yes it is.

lighten up.

RE: Magny-Cours?
By Einy0 on 7/17/2008 10:39:16 AM , Rating: 2
No not really... It's pretty lame... Not their fault Germany trampled them twice, World War 1 & 2 for the less educated amongst us. They just happened to be an easy target at the time.

RE: Magny-Cours?
By Topweasel on 7/17/08, Rating: 0
RE: Magny-Cours?
By bandstand124 on 7/17/2008 12:12:00 PM , Rating: 2
You ignorance is literally astounding. You should try and get your history from more reliable sources other than the TV.

You seem to imply that being born and raised in France makes you a coward. Which is of course, ridiculous.

You are talking about human suffering on a massive scale as if it is a football game. In WWI the soldiers were actually stabbing each other to death and yet to you they run away if "they break a nail".

What country are you from by the way?

RE: Magny-Cours?
By omnicronx on 7/17/2008 3:17:38 PM , Rating: 3
Don't worry, I always love how almost all Americans hate the french, yet almost no Americans know that they can thank France for their independence, whom supplied America with weapons, and blockaded the English during the revolutionary war.

Most are also pretty blind to the fact that the French bordered two of the three main axis countries during WW2, and if England or any other allied nation was in the same position as France (i.e not on an island), they probably would have been trampled too. It also did not help that the french had a bunch of giant forts, and the Germans just decided to go around them, but that does not make them cowardly, that just makes the generals of the time very stupid.

RE: Magny-Cours?
By Ryanman on 7/17/2008 4:02:08 PM , Rating: 2
Actually we are fully aware how the french helped us. This was back when they were a superpower, a brief period in colonial times where (as someone already pointed out) they had a midget controlling their army.

And we would actually fare MUCH better in an invasion, since 40% of our citizens are legally armed, not to mention the crooks in cities with stolen guns.

In any case, don't take it as a personal insult. It's just that France has been steamrolled since the 1800's is all : )

RE: Magny-Cours?
By omnicronx on 7/18/2008 9:33:12 AM , Rating: 3
In any case, don't take it as a personal insult. It's just that France has been steamrolled since the 1800's is all : )
I don't take it as an insult, I am not french, but what does France being steamrolled since WW1 (not the 1800's, but thats only if you consider Napoleon and the biggest European army ever assembled up to that point a superpower) have to do with the fact that almost every American hates France, and most of which have no idea why, other than their funny accents when they speak in english.

RE: Magny-Cours?
By StillPimpin on 7/18/2008 1:44:31 PM , Rating: 1
I don't take it as an insult, I am not french, but what does France being steamrolled since WW1 (not the 1800's, but thats only if you consider Napoleon and the biggest European army ever assembled up to that point a superpower) have to do with the fact that almost every American hates France, and most of which have no idea why, other than their funny accents when they speak in english.

Most Americans don't hate the French we just, because of their recent and past history see them as what they are, less fighters and more of a high fashion designer.

RE: Magny-Cours?
By rudy on 7/22/2008 12:32:31 PM , Rating: 2
Yes we buy lots of louie vuitton in the US.

RE: Magny-Cours?
By krwhite on 7/19/2008 5:38:49 AM , Rating: 2
No, most people in America don't hate the French. Not at all! Go up to people, and ask them if they 'hate' the French; I seriously doubt you'll get anything like 60/40. There's literally no reason to.

In many ways, our cultures are different, but that's in no way spawning hatred on a mass scale.

I think if you were to run into anyone with resentment towards French, the underlying factor of that would seem to be 'they hate us too!' .. That's all.

Bring an average american, and an average french person together, and they'll most likely have the same likelyhood of becoming friends as any other two people. It's just complete idiocy to think we blindly hate each other under any circumstance.

So I must put this out there, because most people who comment are too extreme on everything; most likely from being alone at a computer with your emotions boiling for no rational reason. Either its this, its Vista, its the Xbox, or whatever. Silence, you idle minded people.

RE: Magny-Cours?
By SiliconJon on 7/22/2008 7:49:34 PM , Rating: 1
I don't know...retardation seems to be spreading like a virus around these parts (USA), with all the O'reily-ites, Hannity Heads, Coulter Creeps, Limbaughneers, etc. Sure, they have some valid opinions, and I'm sure there are at least some equivalents on the "left" as well, but the amount of idiocy I hear the fans of these clowns parroting is a sign of the times in which society has decimated itself exactly as it has in the past so many times, over and over. These parrots love to be a part of this team which has decided to hate France since they stood up to our then soon to be war / international crimes. Also, blind hatred is prevalent in mankind, not the opposite.

In fact, freedom and rationality seem to be more of an exception in our history than a norm, though just one who truly masters it tends to outshine a million who do not.

I'm not trying to buzzkill anyone, but in order to address a problem you have to see it, though plenty will never see it as a problem.

RE: Magny-Cours?
By Strunf on 7/17/08, Rating: -1
RE: Magny-Cours?
By m1ldslide1 on 7/17/2008 12:34:38 PM , Rating: 4
Your reasoning is as impressive as your grammar. Calling the French cowardly for fleeing the fight in Vietnam is laughably ignorant - I'm not even going to try to address that one for you. Maybe a history book would help some.

RE: Magny-Cours?
By Gul Westfale on 7/17/2008 7:10:33 PM , Rating: 4
it was a joke, lighten up.
for the record, i have been an alain prost fan since childhood, despite being german.

also, napoleon was not a midget but of average height for a frenchman at the time; it was not france alone that caved in WW2 (the french had the help of the british expeditionary force at the time of hitler's invasion), and colonialism was wrong; no matter who was in charge.

can we now stop this nonsense and get back to flaming each other about who makes the best graphics chip?

RE: Magny-Cours?
By Strunf on 7/17/08, Rating: 0
RE: Magny-Cours?
By yacoub on 7/18/2008 8:15:01 AM , Rating: 5
"In France, after the First World War, the teachers’ unions launched a systematic purge of textbooks, in order to promote internationalism and pacifism.

Books that depicted the courage and self-sacrifice of soldiers who had defended France against the German invaders were called “bellicose” books to be banished from the schools.

Textbook publishers caved in to the power of the teachers’ unions, rather than lose a large market for their books. History books were sharply revised to conform to internationalism and pacifism.

In Britain, Winston Churchill warned that a country “cannot avoid war by dilating upon its horrors.” In France, Marshal Philippe Petain, the victor at Verdun, warned in 1934 that teachers were trying to “raise our sons in ignorance of or in contempt of the fatherland.”

But they were voices drowned out by the pacifist and internationalist rhetoric of the 1920s and 1930s.

Did it matter? Does patriotism matter?

France, where pacifism and internationalism were strongest, became a classic example of how much it can matter.

During the First World War, France fought on against the German invaders for four long years, despite having more of its soldiers killed than all the American soldiers killed in all the wars in the history of the United States, put together.

But during the Second World War, France collapsed after just six weeks of fighting and surrendered to Nazi Germany. At the bitter moment of defeat the head of the French teachers’ union was told, “You are partially responsible for the defeat.”

Charles de Gaulle, Francois Mauriac, and other Frenchmen blamed a lack of national will or general moral decay, for the sudden and humiliating collapse of France in 1940.

At the outset of the invasion, both German and French generals assessed French military forces as more likely to gain victory, and virtually no one expected France to collapse like a house of cards — except Adolf Hitler, who had studied French society instead of French military forces.

Did patriotism matter? It mattered more than superior French tanks and planes. ..."

RE: Magny-Cours?
By Donkeyshins on 7/22/2008 3:47:14 PM , Rating: 2
Forgot about their defeat in the Franco-Prussian war of 1870-1.

And Napoleon's defeat at Moscow and then Waterloo in the early 1800s. And defeats in Vietnam and Algiers in the 1950s and 60s.

RE: Magny-Cours?
By silversound on 7/17/2008 1:35:22 PM , Rating: 1
Hope AMD can bring some real performance this time, intel's nehalem really kinda a disappointment, only see 20%-30% performance boost compare to penryn in the benchs, where's the 2X performance boasted at the begining of the year?

RE: Magny-Cours?
By Chocobollz on 7/19/2008 5:02:13 AM , Rating: 2
LOL! Wrong house dude? Didn't you live 5 blocks from here? :-}

RE: Magny-Cours?
By kattanna on 7/17/2008 3:24:10 PM , Rating: 3

this always makes me chuckle. thanks for reminding me of it again.

RE: Magny-Cours?
By Amiga500 on 7/17/2008 7:21:59 AM , Rating: 3
Phonetically it is "Many Cour" :-)

RE: Magny-Cours?
By DeepBlue1975 on 7/17/2008 11:06:01 AM , Rating: 2
Actually more in the lines of Mannee Coor.
It's really hard to translate phonetics from Latin based languages which have one unique sound for each vowel (though it may be made shorter or longer) to English, in which the same vowel usually has a different sound depending on its position and even then there are many exceptions.

That's the bothersome thing about English... But anyway it's a far more practical language than those derived from Latin, to the point that I always prefer reading technical material in English rather than in my own language.

RE: Magny-Cours?
By aos007 on 7/17/2008 1:49:25 PM , Rating: 4
Ah, you mean manicure?

So this new chip will just look pretty in its new socket?

(for the record, I think "many cores" is the best fitting sound-alike)

Am I seeing a retangular processor socket......?
By 265586888 on 7/16/2008 7:37:40 PM , Rating: 2
Yikes, that's gonna be weird.
And don't forget rumours has that POWER7 is pin-compatible to THIS socket under the Torrenza initiative......

By 265586888 on 7/16/2008 7:39:38 PM , Rating: 1
Oops, spelling......
Rectangular not retangular......

By masher2 on 7/16/2008 8:35:18 PM , Rating: 5
Socket size is dependent on pin count, not die area. The 8-core Sao Paolo should be no larger than AMD's current quad-core offerings.

By Warren21 on 7/17/2008 12:39:00 AM , Rating: 3
We have a winner.

Socket size is only determined by the package size, which like Masher pointed out, is dependant on pincount.

RE: Am I seeing a retangular processor socket......?
By Arc 0V on 7/17/2008 1:20:52 AM , Rating: 2
Nehalem processors are a bit rectangular too. I really hope these AMD processors are on par with Intel's current offerings at that time, so more new innovations get pushed regardless of who does them for less money. Yay for the consumer!

RE: Am I seeing a retangular processor socket......?
By Targon on 7/17/08, Rating: 0
By Master Kenobi on 7/17/2008 9:32:36 AM , Rating: 2
Likely won't happen like that again. With Nehalem, Intel has leveled off the playing field. QuickPath is similar to Hypertransport (although QuickPath is faster than HT3.0). Intel has also added the IMC just as AMD has. This should nix any real advantages AMD might gain by changing architecture around since all things are relatively equal in terms of architecture now.

By vsary6968 on 7/21/2008 6:44:23 AM , Rating: 2
Which information did get it from that Quickpath is faster than HT3.0? Because AMD HT3.0 haven't work on any Barcelona CPU yet.Current Barcelona current CPU only use HT1.0 and HT2.0. But AMD working on to succeed the HT3.0 in Shanghai processor.As the current processor only the Phenom CPU have HT3.0. Shanghai 45nm not only the cache is improving, it also improve it single thread is improving 15 percent faster than current processor clock for clock.

By Risforrocket on 7/22/2008 5:53:42 PM , Rating: 2
Socket size, pfft. It's not the size that counts, it's the throughput.

By DeepBlue1975 on 7/17/2008 11:14:19 AM , Rating: 2
The article suggests that their 8 core processor will be nothing more than 2 of their quad core chips put into the same package, something that doesn't affect the yields. Besides, those quad cores are supposed to be based on the 45nm revision of Barcelona (Shangai).

I hope they can make Shangai fast enough to compete with Nehalem, but I know that might be to much to ask from a Barcelona refresh.

By vsary6968 on 7/17/2008 11:20:57 PM , Rating: 2
I think Shanghai will compete with Nehalem head to head with the Hypertransport 3.0 versus QPI.Shanghai will release In October or November.But not in big volume.We have to wait to see who will be the true king of cpu.

But 2010 will have K11 Bulldozer.

By William Gaatjes on 7/17/2008 11:58:27 AM , Rating: 3
From the news :

The first of these processors, 8-core Sao Paolo, is described as a "twin native-quadcore Shanghai processor" by one AMD engineer.

I would think AMD is going to place 2 quadcore in 1 package.

Hypertransport would be fast enough for it.

And quad memory channel reads to me as 2x dualchannel.

That is when i read the text.

Would not be a bad move to start with and then go native 8 cores later.

By William Gaatjes on 7/17/2008 11:59:52 AM , Rating: 2
Woops deepblue beat me to it.

By Master Kenobi on 7/18/2008 7:59:34 AM , Rating: 1
And quad memory channel reads to me as 2x dualchannel.

This means that the memory banks will be dedicated to specific cores. Thats likely going to suck if the DIMM's need to feed data to processing cores on the other path, leading to increased latency. Granted HT3.0 is fast, but still this will put a damper on it to some extent.

RE: Am I seeing a retangular processor socket......?
By Phynaz on 7/17/2008 11:06:41 AM , Rating: 2
CPUs were rectangular until the 386.

RE: Am I seeing a retangular processor socket......?
By Athlex on 7/17/2008 5:48:39 PM , Rating: 2
<splitting hairs>
Wasn't the 286 square?
</splitting hairs)

By Parker75 on 7/21/2008 12:54:35 PM , Rating: 2
It really depends on what you're talking about. Packaging wasn't square (DIPP), the die itself looked square although I don't have the exact dimensions for the 80286 die.

By decapitator666 on 7/22/2008 7:35:51 AM , Rating: 2
The pentium pro was also rectangular...

By murphyslabrat on 7/17/2008 11:38:14 AM , Rating: 2
Slot A and Slot 1 were both rectangular....yeah, yeah, not sockets;but whatever.

Like was mentioned before, here's an education:

"twin native-quadcore Shanghai processor"
By homerdog on 7/16/2008 9:27:01 PM , Rating: 5
When you can't beat 'em...

By tehfire on 7/16/2008 9:38:18 PM , Rating: 2
Haha I was wondering if I was the only one who caught this. Having multiple-die CPUs, while not as "elegant", does wonders for manufacturing yields. Seeing how much AMD has been struggling in this area, this can only help. Also, I'm still waiting to see how elegance alone leads to performance gains :-P

RE: "twin native-quadcore Shanghai processor"
By Parhel on 7/16/2008 10:39:39 PM , Rating: 2
Remember cornfedone? You know, that guy who, before Phenom was released, used to come here bitching about how Intel's quad-cores were so inferior and calling them "glue-blob?" And then trying to pretend that "glue-blob" was something that people in the industry were calling it? I wonder what he is doing right now?

RE: "twin native-quadcore Shanghai processor"
By Crassus on 7/17/2008 12:58:20 AM , Rating: 2
Unfortunately, yes. If I remember correctly, I even remember that he used to be Beenthere or something like that. I suppose he's grown up in the meantime. One can't stay 13 forever :)

By johnsonx on 7/19/2008 4:35:40 PM , Rating: 2
Cornfedone and Beenthere both posted in the same time period. You may be thinking one or both of them used to be the famus Cramitpal. Myself, I once posed a slightly different theory:

RE: "twin native-quadcore Shanghai processor"
By psychobriggsy on 7/17/2008 5:45:24 AM , Rating: 2
To be fair, the Intel dual-die system did share the single front side bus, which did lead to some compromises. I think they now use a dedicated interconnect between the cores, but don't quote me on that, it just seems a logical thing to implement to enable high FSB speeds and reduce contention.

AMD would connect them with HyperTransport, which is a little bit more elegant (mainly because it isn't a shared bus though). On the other hand having working dual-die quad-core CPUs is more elegant than not having native quad-core CPUs!

Do these CPUs also have a PCIe bus on board? If they want to use all 4 HT3 links to talk to other CPUs and Torrenza GPUs/Cells then they'll need an interconnect to the rest of the system as well.

By Sulphademus on 7/17/2008 10:50:50 AM , Rating: 2
Im left wondering how these individual dies will communicate with each other. Will there be a direct HT link between the two? Or some other integrated communication? For the love of Warcraft, please dont use the FSB.

core names
By Athlex on 7/17/2008 10:27:45 AM , Rating: 2
Not a lot of Formula 1 fans here... Magny-Cours as well as Shanghai, Sao Paulo, and Barcelona are all F1 venues.

If there's a Monaco-core chip, it will probably be slow and very expensive. :)

I imagine AMD's sponsorship of Ferrari's F1 team is a pretty sound investment, lots of TV time and magazine placement (well everywhere outside the USA) without having to buy commercials.

RE: core names
By gyranthir on 7/17/2008 11:58:09 AM , Rating: 2
Indianapolis!!! yar!

RE: core names
By Athlex on 7/17/2008 5:45:16 PM , Rating: 3
pfft, not this year (dammit Bernie!)

I wonder if there's any truth to the rumors about BMW Sauber building a resort near a not-yet-constructed track in Las Vegas. I can see it now: Las Vegas-core opterons" - take a gamble on AMD!" :)

remember 3dfx's brilliant new GPU's ?
By Soulkeeper on 7/16/2008 7:12:34 PM , Rating: 1
kinda reminds me of the 3dfx products they kept talking about that never hit the scene ....

i'm just waiting for a nice 45nm quad ....

RE: remember 3dfx's brilliant new GPU's ?
By HaZaRd2K6 on 7/16/2008 7:52:38 PM , Rating: 2
i'm just waiting for a nice 45nm quad ....

Umm, there are several offerings out there from Intel: Q9300, Q9450, QX9650, QX9770... And obviously more to come.

By larson0699 on 7/16/2008 9:29:41 PM , Rating: 1
By nice, I take it he meant either:
a. a 45nm AMD offering;
b. QuickPath and cache shared among ALL cores.

Intel's current quad lineup will look like a stack of Pentium 4s when (by the time) either of these happens. I think it's worth the wait, just as Calpella (mobile Nehalem) is. The IMC did wonders for AMD, and with Intel still pulling ahead without, it means they've got all the more to gain with.

Tri-channel DDR3 on Nehalem will run circles around the Q9xxx mess. If you're still sitting on a K7 as am I, a 780G-type should hold you over until the more deserving expensive parts arrive.

By Integral9 on 7/17/2008 10:32:18 AM , Rating: 2
I'm still waiting for apps to make full use of more than one core... developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, etc...

New socket is nice and all but...
By rollakid on 7/17/2008 6:41:52 AM , Rating: 2
Where the hell is that DTX and mini DTX form factor motherboard? I've been waiting for it for as long as I can remember but suddenly everyone just stop talking about it...

Is it gone for good or am I missing something?

RE: New socket is nice and all but...
By Integral9 on 7/17/2008 10:25:17 AM , Rating: 2
DTX? I thought we were going to BTX...?

By Athlex on 7/17/2008 10:37:08 AM , Rating: 2
BTX was Intel's standard to replace ATX and rearranged motherboards to deal with Pentium 4 heat. Hasn't really caught on much outside of Dell.

DTX is AMD's form factor standard smaller than microATX and bigger than ITX.

(alphabet soup much?)

Well the code name won't work
By gochichi on 7/18/2008 3:59:22 AM , Rating: 1
I am truly embarrassed to be American sometimes, the random attacks on France are plain stupid. France has such a rich history and is a very relevant think-tank. Leave it to radical Bushites to believe that having a bunch of weapons (and buying them with national debt... 4 trillion dollars of economy-zapping debt) makes you correct on anything. You can't buy your way into truth. And you can't bomb your way into health either.

As embarassing as it is though, it is the case that the code name is a very bad idea for American consumers and should be reconsidered. Whether many cores, manicure, or whatever... the deal is, a 12-core processor deserves a brute name. "Sledge-Hammer"... it's been used, but something like that. I personally like "Triple Shanghai"... because Shanghai is a huge and busy city.

Then again, despite our inability to get over ourselves (as Americans), the world hates us far more than they hate France... and they may actually have money to buy stuff since they aren't trying to win arguments with ultra-expensive war equipment. So "Shanghai", "Sao Paolo" and Magny Cours... it's not about fickle American consumers...

I would guess that China, and Brazil are more in the market for more technology than the US anyway... seems like outside of bratty as heck Apple computers, Americans aren't updating their computers. And since Apple is Intel only, I guess it makes sense for AMD to target their audience. So maybe these are actually great codenames. China, Brazil, and France all have promising growth in the technology sector, this should alarm my ignorance-loving compatriots.

In a growing globalized economy there will be no room for Ugly-Americans... and through your ill-considered remarks on this and other web-sites you guys are giving the impression that we are all stupid,conceited and completely ignorant.

RE: Well the code name won't work
By andyjary on 7/18/2008 7:05:16 PM , Rating: 1
Thanks, gochichi.

I totally agree with you. I think that most of the American 'children' who try to comment on this website are silly-little flag waving, Bushite morons who are giving you guys a bad name all around the world.

Most of the Americans I've met abroad are intelligent enough to have travelled there out of expanding their horizons and learning (not withstanding mommy and daddy paying for their educational trips) They come across as open minded sensible people. Why the hell can't you be lass arrogant?

However, most of the home-boys on here could do with paying me a visit. I'd like to see them opening their big mouths around Europe and getting their asses kicked big time, before running home where they feel safe to start critising the rest of the world again...

P.S. I bet this gets modded-down - the truth hurts, doesn't it home-boys?

RE: Well the code name won't work
By JustTom on 7/19/2008 10:21:31 PM , Rating: 3
Cyber muscles are as un-attractive on Europeans as they are on Americans.

RE: Well the code name won't work
By andyjary on 7/21/2008 6:03:20 PM , Rating: 1
I agree, JustTom! Cyber Muscles aren't very attractive and I should have know better.

However, and to say sorry, I've made a nice little flag here just for you, with your name on it, to wave everytime I read one of your neo-con, pro-Bush, Home-Boy posts.

Go travel the world and 'see' what it's really like, but leave the flag at home because it really won't be welcome anywhere else.

Why Plan??
By othercents on 7/16/2008 7:03:31 PM , Rating: 1
If something doesn't happen in the next year for AMD I'm unsure if they will be around for these new sockets.


RE: Why Plan??
By HrilL on 7/16/2008 8:33:08 PM , Rating: 4
AMD has always been known for not making a profit. I don't see why they won't be around for a long time to come. If they can make a CPU that is on par with Intel's or better like they did with Athalon they'll be fine. This time around they'll have the OEM markets as well.

you know...
By GlassHouse69 on 7/16/2008 8:57:42 PM , Rating: 4
I was a partial amd fanboy as they made faster chips for cheaper prices that used less power and didnt support aggressive shithead monopolies. I was a fan of intel though at various points.

Seeing how insanely well a tri-core works if you use the proper benchmarks and not ones designed for intel (almost all sites do this, ESPECIALLY anandtech unwittingly so)... This 8 or 12 core chip is going to run really well. I hope they learn how to make a "fab process" better and lower voltages. It is the only thing holding them back I can see.

Are these Shanghai K10 CPUs?
By phatboye on 7/17/2008 3:40:28 AM , Rating: 2
Are the CPUs in this article K10 or is this based off the new bulldozer cores?

By KristopherKubicki on 7/17/2008 1:39:49 PM , Rating: 1
Yes, these are all K10

RE: Are these Shanghai K10 CPUs?
By vsary6968 on 7/17/2008 11:11:13 PM , Rating: 1
It base on K10.5 success.But the Shanghai will have HT 3.0 interconnect.This HT 3.0 is way faster than the HT 1.0 from Barcelona.I assume that K10.5 is about 10-30% faster than the K10.This is only my opinion.Not to include Deneb.I don't think Deneb will perform wll until Q1 2009. Because the K10.5 Hydra will be out with 1mb of L2 cache per core and L3 of 6mb.I'm not sure if the K10.5 Hydra is the Deneb FX or not.So, this one will be the real competition to Nehalem.

Core for Core performance?
By Carter642 on 7/17/2008 3:45:45 PM , Rating: 2
What sort of cores are they planning to user with this monster of a socket?

Packing a bunch of phenoms together is going to be a good deal in the server world but kindof a dud in the desktop arena.

RE: Core for Core performance?
By vsary6968 on 7/17/2008 11:03:10 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think packing bunch of phenoms together will be a good idea because Phenom is the desktop version.I agree with AMD to come up with a twin native cores of shanghai.It is a native 8 cores, 6 cores and 12 cores.It comes with a quad ddr3 with register and unregister memory.Also have Hypertransport 3 Interconnect and a 12mb of L3 cache. So Intel will not have anyting to compete until quarter 3 with 8 core native release.Dunnington will only compete with AMD 6 cores. But AMD will have 4,6,8, and 12 cores.The disappointing part it has only 512kb of L2 per core.

It's not just Magny Cours
By ns123 on 7/17/2008 10:15:49 AM , Rating: 2
Somebody at AMD has a serious Formula 1 fetish, all their code names are F1 GP circuits, Barcelona, Shanghai, Magny Cours...

RE: It's not just Magny Cours
By samoya22 on 7/17/2008 1:15:20 PM , Rating: 1
I've got a Formula 1 in my pants. FTW!

By marsbound2024 on 7/17/2008 12:21:02 AM , Rating: 2
The first of these sockets will be available for develops in early 2009.

Available for develops, huh? Developers? At first I was thinking "desktops" (presumably high-end)... but it seems apparent you meant developers.

By vcolon on 7/17/2008 1:48:59 AM , Rating: 2
Wow, just wow.
I wonder what Mike Mcgee has to say about this on the next issue of CPU magazine.

AMD cpu's make me yawn
By 13Gigatons on 7/17/08, Rating: 0
RE: AMD cpu's make me yawn
By vsary6968 on 7/17/2008 10:43:14 PM , Rating: 2
where the hell u get 50% from? for desktop it only about 5-40% slower. But for server, I have not seen Intel beat any of the Barcelonia clock for clock yet. Accept for the Integer benchmark.Intel only beat in the desktop arena.And I am not 100% positive that Nehalem will beat shanghai with the QPI versus HT 3.0. they can beat the HT 1.0, but I don't think they can if AMD can solve the HT 3.0 issue.

Remember that socket G34 have 2x dual ddr3 memory.
With HT 3.0 4X this will be a killer. The sad part is only 512kb of L2 per core. But I don't see Intel can build 6 core native yet.

Remember Bulldozer will be next

By Spuke on 7/16/08, Rating: -1
RE: Awesome!!!!
By OAKside24 on 7/16/2008 7:45:20 PM , Rating: 2
With your CPU?!!

RE: Awesome!!!!
By thartist on 7/16/2008 9:01:28 PM , Rating: 2
Yes. Besides the ultra burnt recurrent and stupid crysis joke, the mentioned game is as CPU bounded as it is for the GPU.

RE: Awesome!!!!
By Pirks on 7/16/2008 8:01:11 PM , Rating: 5
Idiot :)

AMD should learn from ATI
By Nyamekye on 7/16/08, Rating: -1
RE: AMD should learn from ATI
By HaZaRd2K6 on 7/16/2008 7:55:54 PM , Rating: 4
giving them odd code names with no actual meaning.

Right. 'Cause Conroe, Yorkfield, Wolfdale and Nehalem mean so much...

Codenames mean nothing. Just like Intel's newest processors are called the Q9xx0, E7x00 and E8x00 while their codenames are Wolfdale and Yorkfield respectively, and they all fall under the Penryn family name. AMD is no different. Their newest are codenamed Barcelona yet are called Phenom X4.

RE: AMD should learn from ATI
By Noya on 7/17/2008 12:11:24 AM , Rating: 3
Right. 'Cause Conroe, Yorkfield, Wolfdale and Nehalem mean so much...

Actually, the majority of their CPU's and chipsets are codenamed after regions/landmarks close to their fab sites. For instance Nehalem is for the Nehalem River in Oregon.

RE: AMD should learn from ATI
By masouth on 7/17/2008 5:49:49 AM , Rating: 2
I hate to be honest, I didn't even bother with the Wiki link but I thought that the names were created from where they were DESIGNED, not where the fab plants are.

Hence the Merom (first notebook Core 2 Duo) which is named after some place in Israel.

RE: AMD should learn from ATI
By kjboughton on 7/16/2008 9:08:28 PM , Rating: 3
Yeah, because code names that hinted as to what they actually represented would make a lot of sense. The operative word here being "code."

RE: AMD should learn from ATI
By thartist on 7/16/2008 9:36:00 PM , Rating: 2
Then i wonder why you have to think of something as stupidly inflated as 7, with baby steps in performance difference. Because the have us used to it?

Make em' according to prices $100; 99, 199, 299, and big brother X2 for 449, a million or whatever big number. Then the prices would lower as they want. That should be it.

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