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  (Source: Valve via Kotaku)

  (Source: Valve via Kotaku)

  (Source: Valve via Kotaku)
Valve shows Mac gamers some love

Apple computers aren't exactly known for their gaming.  Still, they do generally have decently powerful GPUs and CPUs (in the current generation made by NVIDIA and Intel, respectively) and should be ready for gaming.  The critical problem is the graphics libraries.  Most modern PC games use DirectX -- which is a Microsoft product and not a part of OS X, Apple's Mac operating system.  Thus to get games into OS X you have to port to OpenGL, an open graphics library, much like you would port a game to a console.

Given Apple's small marketshare, that's been an unlikely proposition for most in the past.  However, recently with Apple's marketshare ever so slowly inching upwards, some game companies have started to make OS X ports.  Now PC gaming legend Valve has released a teaser that contains some incredible news for OS X fans -- the Half Life, Team Fortress, and Left 4 Dead series appear to be coming to OS X, along with Valve's game distribution service Steam.

Rumors of Steam coming to Macs leaked last week when some savvy users were viewing the source directories and spotted some icon assets that were OS X specific.  Now Valve has aired a series of comical teaser images that indicate that the rumors are indeed true.  The teasers include Half-Life protagonist Gordon Freeman with an Apple logo stamped on his chestplate, a silhouette of Heavy from Team Fortress 2 dancing around in a iPod commercial-like green light, and a black-and-white portrait of Left 4 Dead's Francis with the text "I Hate Different", a play on Apple's slogan "Think different."

An official announcement is expected to come from Valve at the annual Game Developers Conference, where Valve will be accepting a "Pioneer Award".  In the meantime try to keep from soiling yourself in shock, disgust, or excitement (depending on your view of Macs and OS X). 

As others have pointed out, the intriguing thing about Valve turning its attention to Macs is that it means the two top PC gaming companies -- Valve and Blizzard -- will both have pledged their support to OS X.  Now if Apple can just refresh its hardware that's looking more stale than a box of 50s era MREs, it will be sitting pretty.

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By therealnickdanger on 3/4/2010 8:51:02 AM , Rating: 2
I thought Macs could already play all (most) PC games via Bootcamp?

RE: Bootcamp?
By Camikazi on 3/4/2010 8:56:28 AM , Rating: 2
Not exactly the same as running them on OSX, bootcamp requires buying Windows first :P

RE: Bootcamp?
By therealnickdanger on 3/4/2010 9:02:41 AM , Rating: 5
$105 for Windows 7 isn't that much of a sacrifice, is it? Not only can you run games, but all other PC software. Quite honestly, that seems like the best of both worlds to me... if I were a Mac user.


RE: Bootcamp?
By amanojaku on 3/4/2010 9:05:04 AM , Rating: 5
But then that would defeat the purpose of buying a Mac. I mean, if you want to run Windows you'd take the extra money that went into the fancy looks and invest it in extra hardware.

Mac users have to have the OS to justify the existence of their expensive hardware.

RE: Bootcamp?
By corduroygt on 3/4/2010 11:00:34 AM , Rating: 4
I wish it was that easy. Ever since I've installed win7 to my desktop and saw how much better than the god-awful Vista it was, I've been wanting to switch to PC. I just can't find a 13" windows laptop that's

-thin and light with at least 4 hour battery life
-not made of plastic
-has backlit keyboard
-has a big multitouch trackpad that works well and does wonders for usability
-devoid of unnecessary blinking lights for hard drive, wifi, bluetooth, etc
-devoid of unnecessary multimedia keys and wifi switches, fingerprint readers

Price is not too much of a concern for me. The closest I've found is the Sony Vaio Z series, but it still fails the touchpad, blinking lights, and unnecessary switches and buttons test. HP Envy also comes close but I've heard it's touchpad sucks and I'd rather wait until it gets updated for Arrandale.

RE: Bootcamp?
By stapleton87 on 3/4/2010 12:43:15 PM , Rating: 2
I'm kind of in the same position. I'm a Windows user all the way, but none of the current crop of notebooks really meet my requirements. I have my trusty old Asus Z33, which I love and will use until I run it into the ground. What happened to nice, small laptops, with good battery life? All the current ones are nearly entirely plastic or they're too slow. Don't even get me started on glossy screens and bezels.

RE: Bootcamp?
By Mitch101 on 3/4/2010 1:12:04 PM , Rating: 3
But then some of todays laptops are so cheap by the time it breaks its time to get a new one. I got one of those $300 Walmart/eMachines/Acer laptops with the Intel dual core, 3gig ram, 15.6" screen, western digital hard drive. The only downfall is the Intel 4500M graphics. It might not be a gamer laptop but everything else I do on it is great when I need something for away.

RE: Bootcamp?
By quiksilvr on 3/5/2010 4:50:40 PM , Rating: 2
First off:
1) Why do you need a backlit keyboard? The bumps should be enough to realize where your fingers are.
2) Why does it matter if it has blinking lights? They're either under your hand while you're typing anyways.
3) Why does it matter if has multimedia keys and fingerprint readers?

It seems what you are looking for (save the good battery life, multi touch trackpad and non-plastic) is simply too particular and for little reason.

I would say the Vaio Z. The touchpad got a positive review and it is, quite simply, the best ultraportable laptop out there:

RE: Bootcamp?
By kkwst2 on 3/8/2010 10:03:07 AM , Rating: 2
I agree with most of your points, but not on your conclusion. The Vaio's chicklet-style keys would turn many people off, including me.

The Thinkpads are superior in my opinion. If you need thin, then either the T410s, X301 or X201 are great options, depending on the screen size you want.

My sweet spot is still the T410 (non-s). I don't mind a little extra thickness and weight to be able to use standard 2.5" drives.

I've said it a million times, but if you don't think a trackpoint (the red nipple) is superior to a trackpad, then you either are really uncoordinated or haven't really given it a good try. Especially if you're a touch typist (which you are based on point 1), the ability to natigate without moving your hands is just huge. I use one for my desktop keyboard as well, and rarely find myself reaching for the mouse, except on really intricate Photoshop or Illustrator work.

The Mac Book Pro's are nice, but to me the deal-breaker is screen resolution on the 13". 1280x800 is just inadequate. I haven't used that low a resolution since the mid-90's. I can't believe so many people find that acceptable. Even the 12" Thinkpad will do 1440x900.

RE: Bootcamp?
By ImSpartacus on 3/4/2010 4:14:17 PM , Rating: 2
I got my MBP13 just for the hardware. I have Snow Leopard on it, but I only use 7 Pro.

I couldn't find laptop that had:

<1" thick chassis
6+ hour battery life
full voltage CPU (no Atom or CULV)
Good integrated graphics
A good keyboard
Nice trackpad (I'm totally addicted to this trackpad now)
~$1000 price tag

I got my MBP13 for $1100 with my student discount. I also got a free iPod Touch for ordering in the Summer. I sold the Touch to my little sister for $200. I ended up paying less than $1000 if you add in tax.

RE: Bootcamp?
By corduroygt on 3/4/2010 6:48:10 PM , Rating: 2
I know money is tight for students but seriously you couldn't give it to your little sister a gift?

RE: Bootcamp?
By ImSpartacus on 3/5/2010 11:49:35 AM , Rating: 2
At the time, the iPod Touch was $220 through Apple.

She saved $20 and got it engraved in her name. I'd say that's better than any other deal out there at the time. It's win-win.

RE: Bootcamp?
By NullSubroutine on 3/8/2010 11:04:24 PM , Rating: 2
I think he was saying couldn't you have given it to your sister for free...since she is your sister...LOL.

RE: Bootcamp?
By ImSpartacus on 3/10/2010 9:56:26 AM , Rating: 2
I don't do handouts. I don't expect them either.

RE: Bootcamp?
By jbizzler on 3/4/10, Rating: 0
RE: Bootcamp?
By Mitch101 on 3/4/2010 9:23:27 AM , Rating: 3
Is Rebooting to a more efficient gaming OS that painful? Why do people put so much into boot time? Especially for those of us who never reboot or use hibernate?

Why are so many people gaming nowhere near an AC outlet? I would want to game with the AC plugged in because the screen is usually brighter.

If your a sucker to pay too much for an Apple PC you can afford to pay $180 for Windows 7 premium.

RE: Bootcamp?
By shucklak on 3/4/2010 10:11:10 AM , Rating: 2
Rebooting is a pain though. When you're in OS X, like Windows, you generally have all your applications running, email, browser, Skype, etc and you don't want to go through the hassle of closing everything and bringing everything back up just so you can play a game. This isn't an OS X thing, it's a computer thing, dual boot just isn't convenient.

RE: Bootcamp?
By Bateluer on 3/4/2010 10:31:42 AM , Rating: 1
Agreed, this is why I don't bother dual booting any more. I run one OS native and the other in VirtualBox. Rebooting several times a day is a PITA.

RE: Bootcamp?
By Mitch101 on 3/4/2010 11:28:41 AM , Rating: 2
I understand why the previous person is rebooting because he has a MAC and is switching between OS's but overall if your running Windows already you dont need to reboot. Hibernate if you feel reboot times feel bad or just leave your PC running. I only shut down if Im going away for a few days. Really there is no reason to reboot unless Windows adds a patch that requires a reboot. In Old Old Windows OS's the kernel would have leaks but since Around 2000 SP2?, XP Sp1?, Vista, and Windows 7 there hasn't been a need to reboot your PC.

Also if I'm gaming I close e-mail or any other application that has popups. Sometimes I forget and see the new e-mail popups in the corner but I do this so it doesn't interfere with my gaming connection and frees up a few more cpu cycles. In some instances I turn off my firewall and anti-virus application. I know I must be crazy Windows without software firewall and AV running but there are no other apps running, no strange ports listening, and my hardware firewall keeps out the bad packets. Before I surf the web my firewall and AV are back on.

Closing and opening apps really aren't an issue either. Most of my apps load instantly to a few seconds and are there on the quick launch. I would have to click the bar to view my app and quick launch its virtually the same.

Im trying to understand reboot complaints but I think it really comes from back in the Windows 98 days.

RE: Bootcamp?
By afkrotch on 3/4/2010 6:29:39 PM , Rating: 2
When I made the swap to NT 4.0, from 98SE, I've never had to have a daily reboot. Only time I'd reboot is updates or a crash.

Then moved to Win2k and rarely see crashes at all. After that was XP and I don't remember the last time I even crashed.

I don't even use a firewall or AV software. Well, cept the firewall that comes on your router. Smart surfing > protection software.

RE: Bootcamp?
By lightfoot on 3/4/2010 10:58:30 AM , Rating: 5
quote: generally have all your applications running, email, browser, Skype, etc and you don't want to go through the hassle of closing everything...

If you're actually gaming, you're typically doing most of that anyway. Modern PC games usually take full advantage of as much RAM, and CPU as possible - if you are running other apps, you are taking a performance hit. But then again Team Fortress 2 and Half-Life aren't exactly modern.

RE: Bootcamp?
By MrBlastman on 3/4/2010 11:20:21 AM , Rating: 2
Modern? Did you ever play QWTF (Quakeworld Team Fortress) back in 1996? I guarantee you if you take a look at that and compare it with Team Fortress 2 (even it versus TFC), you will see that it is modern for sure.

TF 2 has awesome graphics that are very cartoony (but the detail in the eyes, facial expressions, hands, fingers, appendages etc) are absolutely cutting edge and amazing. TF 2 brings characters to life in the online game better than anything I have played yet. While the graphics might not look ultra-realistic, they are anything but "simplistic" and dated. Not only that, but TF 2 also has dedicated server support, steam community and built in voice-chat. Top this off with one of the goriest online gaming experiences (TF 2 doesn't have buckets of blood, it has 55-gallon drums of blood and body parts exploding everywhere) and you have a winner.

These features aren't even approaching the skill-based gameplay that TF 2 has loads of in quantities higher than most other shooters available right now. The only exception I'd make is that it doesn't require as much skill as QWTF or TFC--but, I'll take what I can get in this current world of dumbed-down console ports. Valve has been adding in features to increase the skill required to play it.

As for it going to a Mac... This will be hilarious. I can see it now--all the Mac users will be running around more concerned about how they look playing the game rather than their actual ability to play it. I fear this for one reason though... as I would bet money on the majority of Mac users playing the "pyro" class. For those who don't play TF 2, pyro is the ultimate noob class basically only requiring you to be able to do two things:

pressing the W key while clicking on the Left Mouse Button.

W+LMB ftw with pyro. :(

But, I must digress. I find this a good thing for Mac owners. The game does not have very steep system requirements which will allow the sub-par, overpriced macs to be able to run it at a half-decent framerate. Bring it on. I always need more targets to blow up with my rocket launcher.

RE: Bootcamp?
By lightfoot on 3/4/2010 11:55:49 AM , Rating: 5
Sorry, I meant "modern" in a computer technology, internet age way, not an industrial revolution way. Yes, the game is "only" three years old. Top of-the-line computers were roughly one quarter as powerful as they are today, and I'm sure TF2 fully utilized that power when it was released. However calling that a modern game is kind of like calling the F-14 a modern fighter jet. Is it capable and does it get the job done? Yes. Is it "state of the art" and leading edge? No.

RE: Bootcamp?
By MrBlastman on 3/4/2010 12:34:37 PM , Rating: 2
Some of us don't need to play the latest 0-3 month old game to consider them modern and cutting edge. For instance, I still fly Falcon 4.0, and it was released in 1998. However, it has since been modded to support a slew of devices including full-blown cockpits and head tracking. It is the gameplay that counts.

However, not calling a 3-year old game modern is a travesty. I play far more TF 2 that most anything else (though I fear StarCraft 2 might take up more of my time). You have to categorize the games based on the series and genre rather than meerly the age of the game by itself. TF 2 is the "modern" equivalent of Team Fortress.

RE: Bootcamp?
By afkrotch on 3/4/2010 6:44:40 PM , Rating: 2
Would you call a Pentium D modern? I mean they were still being produced just 2 years ago. Just cause it's still being played and there's no TF3, doesn't mean it's modern.

If it was any other kind of product, I'd consider it modern, but in the tech world, things fall out quick. A 3 year old video card is hardly modern.

Course, at the same time, I don't know how much they've updated TF2. If it's using some of the latest tech under the hood, I'd consider it modern. I know Valve likes to start adding features into their games through updates. Like the HDR.

RE: Bootcamp?
By MrBlastman on 3/5/2010 10:34:48 AM , Rating: 2
TF 2 has had HDR since the start. Like I said before, it isn't the most realistic looking FPS but, the character animation system is the best I've ever seen for both talking, interaction and actual actions.

The graphics alone don't decide whether a game is modern or not, there are many other pieces that go into the full experience.

RE: Bootcamp?
By Smilin on 3/4/2010 2:20:52 PM , Rating: 2
You don't give pyros enough credit :)

It's hard deflect rockets and to juggle people in the air (but the comedy is worth the effort).

W+LMB might work but it won't work well...same as with any other class.

RE: Bootcamp?
By Quake on 3/4/2010 11:03:17 AM , Rating: 2
What we need for us dual-booting folks is a program that hibernates the OS but RESTARTS the computer instead of shutting it down. That way we'll re-enter our favourite OS like is was.

RE: Bootcamp?
By Mitch101 on 3/4/2010 1:05:09 PM , Rating: 2
I think that's a neat idea this way you would have full CPU speed of an OS with quick start times because your starting a hybrinated OS instead of full boot.

Personally if I just into another OS like linux Im just in there to do a task of something small so VM's works well for me. So I dont need full CPU exclusivity.

Why no one does what your suggesting it probably because their OS should be the only OS to do everything. Multi boot says someone elses OS does something better.

RE: Bootcamp?
By Quake on 3/5/2010 1:42:48 AM , Rating: 2
I think I will try to write a linux script that does that because I couldn't find it anywhere.

RE: Bootcamp?
By Smilin on 3/4/2010 2:16:48 PM , Rating: 2
If your a sucker to pay too much for an Apple PC you can afford to pay $180 for Windows 7 premium.


RE: Bootcamp?
By therealnickdanger on 3/4/2010 11:15:15 AM , Rating: 2
End-users aren't allowed to use the OEM copies

False. I have bought nothing but OEM copies of Windows for my own personal use for about a decade. I use them for machines I build as well as machines that are pre-built.

RE: Bootcamp?
By Camikazi on 3/4/2010 11:49:28 AM , Rating: 2
Yes OEM is pretty much retail without the MS Phone Support, which someone who knows enough to buy OEM won't need anyway.

RE: Bootcamp?
By Smilin on 3/4/2010 2:26:53 PM , Rating: 2
Just because you've been doing it wrong for a decade doesn't make it somehow right.

Using them on machines you build is one thing but using them on something pre-built isn't allowed (unless the builder bundled it).

RE: Bootcamp?
By kmmatney on 3/4/2010 6:51:18 PM , Rating: 2
I think if that were the case, then NewEgg wouldn't be selling OEM version of Windows without any hardware. As it is, you can buy an OEM of windows at NewEgg, and nothing else. NewEgg is huge - I would think that if Microsoft really had a problem with this, they would stop it.

RE: Bootcamp?
By jbizzler on 3/7/2010 12:39:18 PM , Rating: 2
NewEgg sells lots of OEM stuff that is only meant to be resold. System-building resellers shop at NewEgg; that's why they sell it there. If you actually look at your OEM license, it tells you to register with Microsoft as a reseller and get their reseller installation kit or something.

But, like you said, no one seems to have a problem with it.

RE: Bootcamp?
By afkrotch on 3/4/2010 7:26:41 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, MS doesn't exactly know what it wants anymore. Go to MS's own tech support site and they'll say you can use an OEM copy on your own personal built computer or use it to upgrade a pre-built computer (regardless of it being bundled or not). They even let you move your OEM copy from one machine to another, but you had to call them first to get the copy unbounded from the motherboard (which they stopped doing this now).

This was back before Win7 though. With Win7, you're not allowed to install it on your own personal built computer or pre-built computer. The only way you can install it on your personal built computer, is if you are planning on selling that computer to someone else and you use the OPK.

Some interesting reading.

Notice how you are allowed to, yet aren't allowed to install on your own home built PC or pre-built PC.

RE: Bootcamp?
By Penti on 3/4/2010 1:35:46 PM , Rating: 1
W7HP actually costs $180 USD. It's illegal to use OEM as it's regarded as unlicensed, on a machine with a OS installed and actually on your DIY built PC too.

RE: Bootcamp?
By kmmatney on 3/4/2010 6:55:59 PM , Rating: 2
If that were the case, then NewEgg wouldn't be able to sell OEM versions. OEM version are perfectly fine to use on your home built computer - you can only make 3 major hardware changes (usually a motherboard change), though, after which you need to call up Microsoft to activate. I had to call up Microsoft to active WinXP again on my last hardware upgrade (4th motherboard). I just said that my motherboard died and I had to buy a new one - you are allowed to do that. It wasn't true for that particular activation, but I did have a motehrboard go bad in the past which wasyed one of my activations, so I didn't feel too guilty.

RE: Bootcamp?
By afkrotch on 3/4/2010 7:27:59 PM , Rating: 2
RE: Bootcamp?
By Penti on 3/5/2010 5:43:50 AM , Rating: 2
I've read the licenses and the Microsoft site. I've wouldn't recommend it and also you are never allowed to run it in a virtual machine (according to the System Builder license).

If you are a company your also generally not allowed to act as your own system builder. That said, I've seen MS staff being confused too and say that it can be sold with Macs and so forth. However the system builder license forbids running OEM as virtual machine when it's perfectly fine with retail. Safer bet and you are actually always allowed to move it to different computers. Companies can obtain Windows license for Macs through the volume license program instead.

RE: Bootcamp?
By Moohbear on 3/4/2010 8:55:34 AM , Rating: 2
All Intel Macs can run Bootcamp. However, that means buying a copy of Windows, wasting space to install a second OS and rebooting each time you want to play. Doable but hardly convenient. The virtualization road works fine for a lot of programs, but with games, not so much.

RE: Bootcamp?
By afkrotch on 3/4/2010 8:38:50 PM , Rating: 2
When they allowed bootcamp, I wonder if they opened the door to possible lawsuits from other OEMs. Like unfair competition by disallowing OSX to run on competitor systems, while also allowing Windows to run on their hardware.

RE: Bootcamp?
By InternetGeek on 3/4/2010 8:59:09 AM , Rating: 2
Not an Apple fan myself, but I do hope this forces them to open up their platform instead of trying to make it as closed as possible. It can only benefit them and their customers.

RE: Bootcamp?
By Smilin on 3/4/2010 2:29:24 PM , Rating: 2
Explain further. I don't get it.

RE: Bootcamp?
By Camikazi on 3/4/2010 4:47:20 PM , Rating: 2
More games, means gamers will come, and gamers like power, they will want stronger GPUs and possibly stronger CPUs, and for that to happen Apple will either have to start supporting more hardware or risk losing the gamers which means less sales.

RE: Bootcamp?
By Smilin on 3/4/2010 6:28:41 PM , Rating: 2
Gotcha, good point. Thanks.

My bet: apple won't give a crap. :P No way they are going to open things up. MSFT is well equiped to deal with all the variety in hardware. They have a whole ecosystem that's been running this way for years. Apple would have to go through the same pains. The PC-Mac commercials might get flipped on it's head.

RE: Bootcamp?
By afkrotch on 3/4/2010 7:30:01 PM , Rating: 2
Or they can simply not care. They've had that thinking since the beginning, what's going to change?

RE: Bootcamp?
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/4/2010 9:35:43 PM , Rating: 2
I disagree, PC gaming actually means very little to the general PC market. Its all about business sales for Microsoft, the rest are people that would rather buy a super-cheap PC and game on a console.

And I say this is a BIG PC gamer. :/

The proof is in Microsoft's treatment of their own PC developers, shutting down studios like Ensemble, FASA, and Aces, and forcing 360 exclusivity onto games like Alan Wake. They'd rather that people game on the 360, and it makes sense. Why stop at an OS license that is likely a lock anyway, when they can sell the box, get license fees on every game sold, DLC sales, etc etc.

So someone else needs to carry the torch. Blizzard and Valve are the saviors of Windows gaming, why not the Mac as well? Blizzard has been on the Mac since Warcraft Orcs vs Humans, so it'll be nice to have Valve to distribute for everybody else as well.

RE: Bootcamp?
By drimpossible on 3/4/2010 1:09:19 PM , Rating: 2
I hate rebooting because I use my Mac for work. I have a ton of UNIX shells and development windows open all the time that I pretty much never close. It's nice to be able to fire up a game without having to lose your environment.

I realize that if all you use your computer for is games, that this isn't a big deal. But if all you use a computer for are games you should get a PC anyway.

This is a great solution for people who work and would like to play games as well. I like OS X specifically because it's UNIX and I need UNIX for my work.

RE: Bootcamp?
By afkrotch on 3/4/2010 7:42:25 PM , Rating: 2
Cept it's not Unix. Unix like is not Unix.

By pequin06 on 3/4/2010 8:51:51 AM , Rating: 3
A whole new group of smug and obnoxious mic spammmers.

RE: Great!
By Hieyeck on 3/4/2010 9:22:49 AM , Rating: 4
It's OK, they won't be able to use their scope or melee zombies with their ONE MOUSE BUTTON.

Kicked for being useless.

RE: Great!
By Veerappan on 3/4/2010 10:59:02 AM , Rating: 2
There's these things called USB and Bluetooth. Macs have them, and you can attach external mice to them.

Honestly, even on my old Inspiron I'd always have an external mouse laying around for games. Regardless of the number of mouse buttons, trying to play an FPS on a trackpad is next to pointless.

And as an aside, with multi-touch, you can just do a two-finger click to perform a right click (and 2-finger swipe up/down to emulate scroll wheel). It just takes a bit more thought/training to do in the middle of a firefight than a multi-button mouse.

And let's not forget that Apple sells machines running OS X that aren't laptops. Anyone gaming on an iMac or Mac Pro will already have an external multi-button mouse.

RE: Great!
By lightfoot on 3/4/2010 11:16:16 AM , Rating: 1
Just out of curiosity, how do you right-click and left click at the same time? It that a three finger click, or does that emulate the third mouse button?

RE: Great!
By lightfoot on 3/4/2010 5:16:03 PM , Rating: 2
Short answer is you don't. Or can't. But why would you want to unless you were playing a game, and in that case, why would you be using a Mac??

RE: Great!
By Cuddlez on 3/4/2010 1:54:23 PM , Rating: 2
RE: Great!
By afkrotch on 3/4/2010 7:45:55 PM , Rating: 2
Depending on games, you can just smoke spam the iMac users into lag. Then own them.

RE: Great!
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/4/2010 9:37:00 PM , Rating: 2
Macs have supported multibutton mice since long before I ever used a Macs, something like System 8. The first thing I ever did with OS X in 2002 was plug in a five button mouse, recognized everything with zero driver installation or tweaking, plug & play.

By Smilin on 3/4/2010 11:52:50 AM , Rating: 4
Actually MS is gaining market share again.

Keep up with the news.

By brightstar on 3/4/2010 1:55:23 PM , Rating: 2
So they say. I really hate numbers games!

Five poeple In Ohio fart and the global warming figures go up by almost 10%

Five people In Ohio buy Win7, 10% market gain...:0

Five people In Ohio die from eating at Wendy's and your 10% more likely to die form fast food...etc.

Numbers don't lie,people do.

By brightstar on 3/4/2010 2:04:45 PM , Rating: 1
Aaahh,c'mon. you guys hurt my feelings with that 0....Boohoo, I'm going home

By Smilin on 3/4/2010 2:32:58 PM , Rating: 2
yes. so "they" say.

"they" being the ones that also reported MS losing marketshare during the time that it was.

I happen to trust "they" more than "you".

By afkrotch on 3/4/2010 7:50:59 PM , Rating: 3
It's standard Apple fan arguements. If the numbers look good for them, they'll use it in an arguement. If the numbers look bad for them, they'll say that it's a lie.

By Smilin on 3/5/2010 12:28:06 PM , Rating: 2
hehe yeah. They do a lot of "doublethink".

Another example: if MS does the same thing as apple the response depends on who did what first.

Apple does it first: MS steals instead of innovates.
MS does it first: Apple "perfected it"

I'm a Mac... and I'm a PC.
By CurseTheSky on 3/4/2010 9:07:59 AM , Rating: 5
Mac: "Hello, I'm a Mac."

PC: "And I'm a PC."

Mac: "So, PC, you look a little tired. I bet you were up all night killing zombies! Don't you blame this on spreadsheets and emails."

PC: "Actually, Mac, it was my daughter's birthday yesterday."

Mac: "Uh huh. It's ok PC; I understand that you were excited about the new Left 4 Dead 2 release and just 'got in the zone,' you know. It happens to the best of us."

PC: "Umm, wasn't that... five months ago? And no, a bunch of sugared-up seven year olds will wear you out more than any video game."

Mac: "Oh, I get it."

PC: "Get what?"

Mac: "It was the Spy and Sniper update. You always seemed more like a Team Fortress 2 guy to me anyway. After all, how could you resist playing as a guy so suave and well dressed as the spy, right?"

PC: "What? The Spy and Sniper got another update?! Where's the love for my Engin... err, you mean when Valve released the meet the Spy video? That was over half a year ago! I told you, it was the birthday party. You know, at my age the sugary cake just does you in sometimes. Or actually, you wouldn't know."


PC: "..."

RE: I'm a Mac... and I'm a PC.
By Fenixgoon on 3/4/2010 10:38:28 AM , Rating: 5
Has to be said. Linux!
By bleekii on 3/4/2010 9:25:56 AM , Rating: 3
This is one step closer to Linux versions. OpenGL!

I know there's always that one annoying Linux user like me.

RE: Has to be said. Linux!
By Ristogod on 3/4/2010 9:46:21 AM , Rating: 2
What's Linux? Charlie Brown's best friend?

RE: Has to be said. Linux!
By gescom on 3/4/2010 12:18:43 PM , Rating: 2
Yup. OpenGL still not dead :). If there's a will for OSX than there's for Linux gaming. Hura!

RE: Has to be said. Linux!
By LRonaldHubbs on 3/5/2010 7:56:47 AM , Rating: 2
Yep, that's what I was thinking. If they can support OSX, then that means they have ported the Source engine to OpenGL, which means they could just as easily support Linux. I'm not a big Linux user, but it would be nice to have a viable gaming OS other than Windows.

By JBird7986 on 3/4/2010 9:09:15 AM , Rating: 2
Hmm...I wonder if the Mac version will only be playable with other Mac owners (as it is OpenGL) or if Mac and PC owners will be able to interact...

RE: Compatibility
By dguy6789 on 3/4/2010 9:12:37 AM , Rating: 2
Probably will be able to play with one another. There are already games out(such as Serious Sam) that let you pick between running it in Direct X or OpenGL and that doesn't affect who you can play with online.

RE: Compatibility
By PhoenixKnight on 3/4/2010 9:21:11 AM , Rating: 2
Why in God's name would the rendering engine used for the game have anything whatsoever to do with what servers you could connect to? That doesn't even make sense.

RE: Compatibility
By afkrotch on 3/4/2010 7:53:37 PM , Rating: 2
They probably think it's like the issues with a console game not being able to play with the PC versions.

Which they can, but no one lets them. Probably cause PCs are superior in every way.

By thartist on 3/4/2010 3:34:08 PM , Rating: 2
It's quite nice that OSX can run these games and the games market expands a tiny bit.
I can't think of any downsides.

RE: Nice!
By Smilin on 3/4/2010 6:29:26 PM , Rating: 2
Snobs on the servers :(

RE: Nice!
By afkrotch on 3/4/2010 8:06:59 PM , Rating: 2
Mac gamers saying how awesome their Macs are in the games you are playing.

I already have to hear that crap in Aion, which is funny, seeing as they have to bootcamp to play Aion.

Hell is freezing over...
By Moohbear on 3/4/2010 8:50:14 AM , Rating: 2
That's real good news for Apple and Macs in general. Maybe it will drive more companies to port their games to MacOS X. I just hope Valve does real native ports like Blizzard and not a Cyder one (looking at you EA).

RE: Hell is freezing over...
By Lonyo on 3/4/2010 10:27:07 AM , Rating: 2
At least EA offers Mac versions,many developers don't.
Surely Cyder is better than nothing?

Also I find it amusing that people are excited that Valve might be porting their 6 year old engine to OSX now.

Welcome Aboard
By Mitch101 on 3/4/2010 9:15:12 AM , Rating: 2
I welcome our MAC gamers.

Why? Because hopefully it will make game developers realize that not everyone wants to game on a console.

Curring mac users in half with saw blades in half-life - Priceless.

RE: Welcome Aboard
By themaster08 on 3/7/2010 6:28:06 AM , Rating: 2
Line 'em up and throw a propeller! :)

Valve looking for more suckers
By sabrewulf on 3/4/2010 9:59:02 AM , Rating: 2
This reads to me as no more than Valve realizing that there is a significant niche of untapped chumps with too much money who will buy ANYTHING that comes out for Mac because OMG GAMES FOR MAC!

alternate ending:

RE: Valve looking for more suckers
By djc208 on 3/4/2010 10:45:03 AM , Rating: 2
I think the main reason is to get Steam on Mac. Valve distributes a lot of games other than their own via Steam. Porting some of their games is just the ammunition they need to justify releasing the Mac version of Steam.

I think the big sellers on Steam will be games like Peggle and such since the hardware in most Mac machines isn't really ideal for pushing the Valve Source Engine at great quality, let alone newer more intense games.

I can't wait
By amanojaku on 3/4/2010 9:01:44 AM , Rating: 3
To see the frustrated Magic Mouse players.

"I made the gesture to shoot a grenade. But my avatar made another gesture back at me. I don't think it's supposed to do that!"

Awesome news!
By turbocoupe27 on 3/4/2010 8:50:47 AM , Rating: 2
Let me be the first to congratulate our Apple using friends on the awesome revelation that they're getting access to some 2.5+ year old games! If this trend continues, I might be forced to trade my Nintendo Gamecube in for a Mac!

Great news!
By saarek on 3/4/2010 9:05:49 AM , Rating: 2
I love PC games, I've been playing pc based games since my 286 days, I went Mac 3 years ago and never regretted my decision, but will certainly not miss bootcamp.

If they port the games properly like Blizzard does and don't wrap them in cider I will be a happy camper!

Pwnage time
By XZerg on 3/4/2010 11:43:08 AM , Rating: 2
This is going to be fun for windows users as they pwn the mac users with multi-button mouse versus many mac users' single button... LOL...

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