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The king is back! "Duke Nukem Forever" has been revived, and is nearing release in a shocking turn of events.  (Source: Kotaku)

The demo features a quick taste of the game's combat gameplay, in which the macho-protagonist, Duke Nukem, fights to save his babes from hoards of evil extraterrestrials.  (Source: Kotaku)

The game features plenty of sexual innuendo just like its predecessors -- the demo concludes with Nukem appearing to be receiving oral pleasure from a pair of females.  (Source: Ripten)
"It's time to kick ass and chew bubble gum... and I'm all outta gum."

"Hail to the king baby!", Duke Nukem is back.  Some may take Friday's announcement of Duke Nukem Forever's resurrection as a sign of the end of times, but it's hard not to feel a bit of excitement that maybe, just maybe, this bad joke could transform into a modern first-person shooter gem.

For today's younger generation of gamers, Duke Nukem may not ring many more bells than Q*bert, but there was a time when the brash talking, hyper-masculine, buzz-cut womanizer Duke headlined one of the best selling first person shooters of its decade (Duke Nukem 3D).

By the year 2009, those who still remembered the games used them more frequently in punchlines than in praise.  After all, Duke Nukem 3D's sequel, the ironically named Duke Nukem Forever, had seen an extraordinarily bizarre development lifecycle with developer 3D Realms still without a finished title after 12 years of development, dating back to 1997.  Then in mid-2009 Take-Two Interactive, who had purchased publishing rights, sued cash-strapped 3D Realms, just as the company was reportedly finishing up the long awaited title.

The ensuing legal battle was settled with undisclosed terms in May of this year. 

3D Realms retained the rights to the game.  And in perhaps the wisest decision it had made concerning the seemingly cursed title, it decided to hand over the development reins to Randy Pitchford's studio Gearbox Software.

Mr. Pitchford was no Nukem newbie.  He had been hired in the 1990s to help development Duke Nukem 3D.  And while he left 3D Realms just as Duke Nukem Forever was kicking into full swing, Mr. Pitchford always kept a soft spot for the machismo-machine that made him a software superstar.

On Friday at the Penny Arcade Expo in Seattle, Mr. Pitchford let the cat out of the bag showing off a 15-minute live gameplay demo [video here] filled with sexual innuendo, violence, and suitably attractive graphics.  And according to Mr. Pitchford the game is nearly finished, and will launch complete with multiplayer.  He states in a recent interview, "It's a large, large game."

If you think Mr. Pitchford might be tempted to tone the game down for today's more sensitive audience, think again.  It looks to be headed for a solid "M" -- if it catches the ESRB folks on a generous day. 

Mr. Pitchford describes the protagonist, remarking, "In Duke's world this is all real shit. These fucking aliens are here and they're fucking our planet up and they're taking our chicks. There's a reason for that, and Duke is the only guy who can stop them. In his universe, that all makes perfect sense. As a result, he is the most important person in his universe. And he knows it. He enjoys it. He franchises it! He's got Duke Burgers opened up all over the country. It's a weird universe, but it works for him. He's the king!"

But the "king" has his work cut out for him if he hopes to win back gamers.  After all if there's one thing more deadly than a pack of babe-stealing aliens, it's the risk of remaining a punchline from one more delay. 

Despite the risk, Mr. Pitchford is the picture of confidence and exuberance.  He says he can understand if some are skeptical, but promises not to disappoint.  He states, "I think everybody feels the way I felt when Duke was in trouble in 2009.  Yeah, we've been jerked around. But we kind of want him to be triumphant. In Duke's time of need, we almost want to support him. And I'm feeling that kind of love."

As for Nukem, he appears to be feeling the love, too.

The demo concludes with the camera panning out to show that the whole intro experience was just a console game being played by the real Duke Nukem.  And Duke has company -- a pair of females, who appear to have been giving old Nukem some oral pleasure.  One of them takes a breather and looks up at him to ask, "So how was the game Duke, was it any good?"

He gruffly remarks, "Yeah, but after 12 fucking years . . . it better be."

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Contacted Hades...
By RCSI on 9/5/2010 12:24:32 AM , Rating: 5
Section IV, article 3 states that Hades is not frozen over until Duke Nukem Forever is actually released.

RE: Contacted Hades...
By ET on 9/5/2010 4:04:08 AM , Rating: 2
My thought exactly. The current announcement doesn't make any difference to DNF's availability on the market.

RE: Contacted Hades...
By sprockkets on 9/5/10, Rating: 0
RE: Contacted Hades...
By borismkv on 9/5/2010 3:38:03 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, Hades refers both to the Greek god of the underworld *and* the underworld itself.

RE: Contacted Hades...
By sprockkets on 9/5/2010 9:28:47 PM , Rating: 1
Which isn't a fiery hell, btw.

RE: Contacted Hades...
By inighthawki on 9/5/2010 10:13:37 PM , Rating: 2
That depends on the definition. For the Greek Underworld can be synonymous with hell, which is portrayed many different ways. Some with fire, and some cold and dark. You should stop now before you embarrass yourself any further.

RE: Contacted Hades...
By sprockkets on 9/6/2010 12:11:10 AM , Rating: 1
For the Greek Underworld can be synonymous with hell, which is portrayed many different ways. Some with fire, and some cold and dark.

Where did you get this misinformation?

You should stop now before you embarrass yourself any further.

Perhaps you should research first why the term "hell" today means a fiery torment and see why it never had anything to do with the Greek Hades.

RE: Contacted Hades...
By FITCamaro on 9/6/10, Rating: 0
RE: Contacted Hades...
By sviola on 9/6/2010 1:58:34 PM , Rating: 3
If I'm not incorrect, the image of a fiery hell started only after Dante Alighieri's "The Divine Comedy".

RE: Contacted Hades...
By foolsgambit11 on 9/6/2010 6:10:26 PM , Rating: 2
And while we can be as historically accurate as we want about what the Greeks thought of the underworld, it doesn't change the fact that since the Renaissance, Hades and hell have been (poetically) synonymous in Western culture.

RE: Contacted Hades...
By dubldwn on 9/7/2010 2:39:15 AM , Rating: 3
If I'm not incorrect

You're incorrect. Hell is described as a fiery place multiple times in the NT. Also, refer to Rev. 20:13 for a distinction between Hades and Hell.

As for the poster above, as a member of "Western culture," I personally wasn't aware Hell and Hades were interchangeable. I believe the term is "Hell freezes over."

RE: Contacted Hades...
By bighairycamel on 9/7/2010 1:44:39 PM , Rating: 2
As for the poster above, as a member of "Western culture," I personally wasn't aware Hell and Hades were interchangeable.
And yet, English translations of the Bible do it quite frequently. See also: Sheol, Gehenna, and Tartarus; all have been incorrectly translated as "hell". In fact, there is no term in the original hebrew or greek scriptures than meant eternal fiery torment.

Just a nifty little fact for the fear mongering denominations out there.

RE: Contacted Hades...
By borismkv on 9/7/2010 9:22:10 PM , Rating: 2
Give him a break. He's using the NIV - AKA, the Bible for Dummies.

RE: Contacted Hades...
By sprockkets on 9/7/2010 10:19:01 PM , Rating: 1
like the poster who replied to you already, that scripture in Rev 20:13 seems like hell, BUT Rev 20:14 says:

Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. - English standard version

Obviously Hades can't be thrown into itself, so the lake of fire isn't hell either, nor is it a place of torment, since literally, it says, it is the second death, meaning, you are gone for good. Besides, how can "death" be tormented in the lake of fire?

True, verse 10 says that the devil and the wild beast will be tormented day and night, forever and ever. But I digress for now.

RE: Contacted Hades...
By zixin on 9/7/2010 12:28:52 PM , Rating: 2
You are incorrect. The deepest portion of hell in the Divine Comedy where the greatest sinners go is actually a frozen world.

RE: Contacted Hades...
By Alexstarfire on 9/7/2010 12:31:21 PM , Rating: 2
Why is there so much argument over the differences between Hades, the underworld, and hell?

RE: Contacted Hades...
By dxf2891 on 9/8/2010 11:11:20 AM , Rating: 2
Actually Hades encompassed many areas in the after life. There is Tartarus; a pit of tormenting and suffering home to such notables as the Titans, Sisyphus and his rock and Prometheus and his liver devouring bird, as well as fiery pits for the tormented souls. It also holds the Elysian Fields which is the reward for Greeks who died in battle, the River Styx the domain of Charon, and the palace proper home of Hades (Pluto), Persephone and Cerebus. The fiery, tormenting Hell is but one part of Hades according to Ancient Greek legend. "Now you know, and knowing is half the battle."

RE: Contacted Hades...
By Visual on 9/8/2010 11:59:47 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, Hades is just a moon of Jupiter.
And it has already frozen over, millions of years ago.

Unfortunately someone renamed it to Sinope a couple years before I was even born, rendering my whole post invalid. Damn.

But you'll all still see I was right when the game is out, and it turns out to be just a Doom mod, removing the helmet, adding some vulgar language and renaming the location. As if Phobos, Deimos, Mars and Earth weren't enough...

RE: Contacted Hades...
By TSS on 9/5/2010 11:43:20 AM , Rating: 3
I'll bet it gets delayed another year and the actual release will be on december 12th 2012....

RE: Contacted Hades...
By inighthawki on 9/5/2010 11:59:04 AM , Rating: 2
If they were smart they wouldn't set any kind of release date (even an estimate) until the game is done.

RE: Contacted Hades...
By sviola on 9/6/2010 2:00:31 PM , Rating: 3
I thought the end of the world was on the December 21st 2012, not the 12th.

RE: Contacted Hades...
By Jacerie on 9/7/2010 11:37:34 AM , Rating: 3
So the release date is gonna be the 22nd then? Would only seem fitting.

By CowKing on 9/4/2010 11:19:24 PM , Rating: 5
what's this stuff in my pants? I don't remember spilling milk.

RE: :O
By JasonMick on 9/5/2010 12:02:27 AM , Rating: 5
Don't worry, this video will clear things up...

RE: :O
By phxfreddy on 9/5/2010 2:37:10 AM , Rating: 2
Man Boobs

RE: :O
By AstroGuardian on 9/5/10, Rating: -1
RE: :O
By CowKing on 9/5/2010 4:00:16 PM , Rating: 1
well, at least 3 people thought it was, or we could say 4 or more people thought it was funny depending on whether you voted it down of course. :D

RE: :O
By retrospooty on 9/5/2010 9:48:16 AM , Rating: 3
I knew it would come. The second 3drealms announced it was dissolving and filing bk, I knew someone would buy it and finish it. Too much money to be made, someone had to finish it.

RE: :O
By SPOOFE on 9/5/2010 12:07:55 PM , Rating: 2
That fact that it ISN'T 3D Realms is the only thing that actually catches my interest. Finally, the weak link has been removed...

Whatever one may think of Gearbox's games, remember this: At least they get released. :D

RE: :O
By retrospooty on 9/5/2010 1:29:52 PM , Rating: 2
Yup, its at least worth a look. If it comes out and reviews say it sucks, that is that, but based on the gameplay videos I have seen, it looks at least good. Possibly great.

I wanna be "Yes, yes, YYYYYEEESSS!!!!
By BZDTemp on 9/5/2010 12:09:04 AM , Rating: 5
But it is just not there anymore!

Maybe Duke will be Duke like in the old days but I'm not into the humor anymore. Just like I'm no longer into movies like "From Dusk till Dawn" and "Joe's Apartment" and it's something I suspect goes for many of the people which loved and payed Duke back then.

If the new game brings great levels and novelty gameplay ideas like the old ones then it might be great but I fear it does not. Am I being pessimistic?

RE: I wanna be "Yes, yes, YYYYYEEESSS!!!!
By Reclaimer77 on 9/5/2010 1:25:37 AM , Rating: 5
Yeah sometimes things don't actually hold up to the nostalgia you attach to them. Like, I recently found a bunch of Airwolf epissodes on the 'net. Now back in the day, Airwolf was the "coolest thing EVER!". But after watching them now, I said to myself, "ya know, this show wasn't really that good."

The thing about Duke Nukem was that, at the time, we hadn't really seen anything like that. Now years and years later, we have seen anything and THEN some. I'm with you man, I'm affraid the goods just won't be able to meet our expectations and our fond memories.

We'll see. All I can say is Duke Nukem Forever better have REAL working toilets, just like the old one!!

By Hyperion1400 on 9/5/2010 6:02:48 AM , Rating: 2
Well, we already know there are working urinals, that's a start xD

By rudy on 9/6/2010 2:19:57 PM , Rating: 3
It does not matter because you will still buy the game. A games success is determined by profit not quality. Take Q4 which had lots of sales but people really did not play it much.

Duke nukem will sell like crazy because of all this media exposer and nostalgia. I personally will not be buying it but I bet I will be one of the few that does not. Most will buy it hate on it, then go buy the next game. But it will not matter because the devs got their cash.

By bighairycamel on 9/7/2010 2:11:38 PM , Rating: 3
I feel where you're coming from.

To me though, the humor didn't make the game. It was a nice touch that gave the game it's own personal flavor, and that's what people remember. But personally I loved the unique level designs. There were puzzles, dynamic level changes like destructing buildings, interactive environment (yes like the working toilets or coin operated peepshows), etc.

FPS games nowadays are "move from point A to point B while shooting stuff along the way". I think if they design levels based with the original style, it will be an excellent game. Throwing in Duke humor will add to the nostalgia and will surely make me laugh, but it won't make the game great.

I just hope Gearbox feels the same way.

there better be a PC version...
By vanarie on 9/5/2010 11:13:57 AM , Rating: 2
Or I'm going to have to go Duke on'em. I've always had a big problem with the clumsy aiming on a controller pad. I'm an old school gamer and would still buy it even if it's a console version (PS3, f*ck MS/xbox), but I'd be very very sad!

Secondly, I'm not surprised someone is finally releasing it. It would be a crime to let all the work that has been put into it just rot in a vault somewhere. Someone finally did the right thing. Just hope there's a PC version !

RE: there better be a PC version...
By Reclaimer77 on 9/5/2010 12:38:44 PM , Rating: 5
Duke Nukem on a console is like releasing Avatar on VHS tape.

By Motoman on 9/7/2010 1:14:09 AM , Rating: 2
VHS? That's just stupid. Laser disk, on the other hand...

By Akrovah on 9/8/2010 6:31:41 PM , Rating: 2
Avatar would be an insult to noble history of VHS...

By tedrodai on 9/7/2010 10:36:46 AM , Rating: 3
Screw "a" PC version. PC better be "the" version. I'm so sick of games having horrible, despicable controls/GUI/etc because they have to be designed for the lowest common denominator first -- consoles and their archaic remote controls. I doubt this game was designed in that manner, but I'm just saying...

Every man for himself....
By Nightraptor on 9/5/2010 12:16:44 AM , Rating: 2
Off in the distance I think I can hear the faint gallop of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse coming this way....

RE: Every man for himself....
By AssBall on 9/5/2010 11:15:40 AM , Rating: 2
Its time to kick ass and chew bubblegum...

RE: Every man for himself....
By EchoSquared on 9/5/2010 4:34:00 PM , Rating: 2
And I'm allll outta gum!

RE: Every man for himself....
By frobizzle on 9/7/2010 1:20:41 PM , Rating: 2
Your ass is grass and I'm the lawnmower!

By riottime on 9/5/2010 12:38:45 AM , Rating: 3
i sure hope it lasts longer than 6-7 hours single player campaigns of recent titles. i mean it's been in development for 12 years for figs sake! i'll scream bloody murder if it takes 4 hours to beat the main game.

By FaceMaster on 9/5/2010 6:06:59 AM , Rating: 2
It's been restarted several times. They make a bit of the game, use the latest graphics and stuff... then realise it's no fun and start again. They could learn a lesson or two from Valve.

By Icehearted on 9/5/2010 1:51:04 PM , Rating: 2
Developing this game and getting it out has been the dumbest effing drama since Melrose Place. Blam me for saying so, but I stopped caring six years ago.

RE: Blah
By Lerianis on 9/5/2010 8:35:55 PM , Rating: 2
Well, I have to admit there has been a lot of DRAMA around this game actually getting released, but that isn't the games fault.... it's the developers fault.

By Lazarus Dark on 9/4/2010 11:20:46 PM , Rating: 3
I was almost about to give up on my 12 year hunger strike too.

I wonder....
By monkeyman1140 on 9/4/2010 11:21:51 PM , Rating: 3
Those folks who pre-ordered Duke Nukem Forever for $10.00, will get get the full product at that pre-inflationary price?

Shouldn't be a surprise...
By Motoman on 9/5/2010 1:48:18 PM , Rating: 3
...everyone knew that they had developed massive amounts of content for DNF...the one and only logical conclusion from the whole debacle earlier this year was that *somebody* was going to package it up and release it.

By me102 on 9/5/2010 12:05:35 AM , Rating: 2
Then in mid-2009 Rockstar Games , who had purchased publishing rights, sued cash-strapped 3D Realms, just as the company was reportedly finishing up the long awaited title.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but I believe it was Take-Two Interactive that bought the publishing rights to DNF, not Rockstar.

Burger King
By TeXWiller on 9/5/2010 2:13:38 AM , Rating: 2
I thought I read an advertisement of Burger King somewhere in the article..

By gamerk2 on 9/6/2010 1:09:21 AM , Rating: 2
Just just in, DNF got delayed until Dec 31, 2012. :D

Seriously though, would that really shock anyone at this point? In any case, assuming it does get released, I'm buying two copies: One to play, and one to frame.

By derricker on 9/6/2010 2:27:31 AM , Rating: 2
Remember this comes from the 90's, back then it was cool to be a macho...

My contribution to Duke.
By filip007 on 9/6/2010 2:49:28 AM , Rating: 2
The Duke is back that's for sure!

Old news ;)
By Visual on 9/8/2010 11:40:18 AM , Rating: 2
Major part of Duke Nukem Forever has been released for many years already, all that is left now is the revealing conclusion.

Link to this part?
By CU on 9/5/2010 10:27:50 PM , Rating: 1
Anyone got a link to a video showing this part? It sounds hilarious and just like Duke.

The demo concludes with the camera panning out to show that the whole intro experience was just a console game being played by the real Duke Nukem. And Duke has company -- a pair of females, who appear to have been giving old Nukem some oral pleasure. One of them takes a breather and looks up at him to ask, "So how was the game Duke, was it any good?"

He gruffly remarks, "Yeah, but after 12 fucking years . . . it better be."

Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By sleepeeg3 on 9/5/10, Rating: -1
RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By Hyperion1400 on 9/5/2010 6:00:56 AM , Rating: 2
Gearbox acquired a mostly complete game; a game designed from the ground up to be a PC game. I doubt they would shoot themselves in the foot and tear apart a perfectly good game. In fact, this might be a return to the good ole days where console tards get f*cked up controls and WE get a working game!

Also, Gearbox are the ones who made that wonderful Halo CE port that sh*t all over the Xbox version and was way more fun than Halo 2 on either the PC or Xbox.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By angryplayer on 9/6/2010 1:59:17 AM , Rating: 2
Did you or the person who rated OP down even WATCH the video linked?

Are you not aware of what gearbox can do?

0:21. That's as far as you need to go. See the controller? See gearbox shooting themselves in the foot?

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By LRonaldHubbs on 9/5/2010 9:08:49 AM , Rating: 2
Borderlands multiplayer was a nitemare.

And you base this statement on what, exactly?

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By borismkv on 9/5/2010 3:28:20 PM , Rating: 2
The fact that getting a multiplayer game going on PC required the opening of ports on the router, the sacrifice of a virgin from California, and a 6 day fasting ritual to actually allow people to join a game that you started. Being able to join a game started by someone you didn't know required a pact with the devil.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By Lerianis on 9/5/2010 8:40:55 PM , Rating: 2
Opening of ports on a router? Something doesn't sound right about that being required.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By Alexstarfire on 9/5/2010 8:56:55 PM , Rating: 2
Sometimes is sometimes isn't. It's basically only for hosting games though. If you don't host then you almost never have to worry about it. I've run across a couple games where that isn't true, namely Age of Empires 3. The multiplayer was poorly implemented.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By LRonaldHubbs on 9/7/2010 7:57:06 AM , Rating: 3
First of all I'd like to point out that I've played Borderlands online a LOT. It is not as much of a hassle as you describe.

Secondly, this is a problem with the user's network configuration, not the game. I remember hearing about bugs when the game first launched, but they had been patched by the time I bought it (November of last year). Any problem that remains now is not limited to Borderlands. A user that has trouble hosting a Borderlands game will have trouble hosting other games too. Any time you're connecting to someone that isn't a dedicated and properly-configured server there is the potential for it to not work. Having to open ports is not a big deal and should be expected if you're connecting through a router. Anyone who's ever hosted any type of server (ftp, vnc, torrents, etc) knows this.

You could blame Gearbox for choosing a matchmaking service over dedicated servers, but honestly, matchmaking caters better to the type of game that it is. Who the hell hosts a dedicated server for 4P coop? Dedicated is better for games like UT, CSS, or TF2 where there are many players.

With all this aside, I think Gearbox should be applauded for the way they seamlessly integrated SP and MP. You can be playing SP, decide to invite some friends, do so without even having to exit the current game, and when your friends join everyone has all their equipment and the enemies and items all scale properly. It's pretty amazing how well it all works. This is why I asked for justification from the OP for their statement that Borderlands MP is a 'nitemare'.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By retrospooty on 9/5/10, Rating: -1
RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By Alexstarfire on 9/5/2010 11:27:23 AM , Rating: 1
HAHAHAHAHAHA... nail in the coffin. Good one. Needed my daily laugh.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By SPOOFE on 9/5/2010 12:11:27 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah; I do most of my gaming on consoles, and sure don't see PC gaming going away any time soon. And Kinect/Natal don't interest me in the slightest.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By retrospooty on 9/5/10, Rating: -1
RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By Alexstarfire on 9/5/2010 2:10:17 PM , Rating: 4
True, but it's because of their whole "piracy" crusade. Not that consoles don't have their place, but FPS games sure aren't one of them. FPS games have turned to crap because of this console "craze." It's even starting to affect other games, namely RTSs.

PC game shouldn't be treated like console games. It just makes no sense. It's like SquareEnix making the next Final Fantasy game for the PS3, but it'll also run on the original PS.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By retrospooty on 9/5/2010 2:13:29 PM , Rating: 2
"True, but it's because of their whole "piracy" crusade. Not that consoles don't have their place, but FPS games sure aren't one of them. FPS games have turned to crap because of this console "craze." It's even starting to affect other games, namely RTSs."

You are absolutely right. It is because of piracy. PC games offer a way better total solution for games, mods, custom maps etc etc... Its sad that most developers have moved to consoles, but it is a fact.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By nikon133 on 9/5/2010 6:19:56 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe you didn't follow console trends much lately. Mods, maps, DL content is widely available on consoles nowadays.

What is not available (at least on PS3 that I own) are cheats. And boy, does it make a difference! I have been playing Bad Company 2 on PS3 for the big part of last 5 months, and while I did come across good players, I never came across godly untouchable ones. No hacks, everyone plays on same hardware and controller... takes so much of frustration I had playing on PC.

I'm still keeping my PC in good gaming condition, but I did postpone upgrading my graphics (still 8800GT) as I hardly did any gaming on it this year, short of some local (closed-door) lan parties. I took PS3 because I was not sure if I will get console gaming virus or not (and it can always double as BR player), but my fears were not justified - it turns out I am more than willing to sacrifice some eye-candy for some clean, cheat-proof multiplayer.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By Alexstarfire on 9/5/2010 7:45:01 PM , Rating: 3
Yes, you pay for all that premium content as well. There might not have been hacks on the PS3 since it pretty much only recently got hacked. But now that it has I think we'll see more and more hacks.

I'd rather have all that content for free. Simple fact is console games have a shorter lifespan than most good PC games. Shouldn't have to be rich just to play video games.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By asdf23fvas324rf on 9/6/2010 3:14:39 AM , Rating: 2
i take it you never played many online games on a console then. resistance 1 and 2, killzone 2, bad company (the first, played the second on pc), socom, halo, gears, mag, etc, all have their share of hackers. whats more is that i see hackers MORE often over psn and xbox live then i do playing css and other games. this is due to the fact that AT LEAST PC GAMES ALLOW YOU TO KICK PEOPLE WHO ARE HACKING!

as for mods, sorry, but the ONLY console game to allow mods is ut3, all others with "custom content" are limited to available in game assets. oh, and i dont count $15 for 3 maps as a plus for the consoles either.

dont get me wrong, i have all three current gen consoles, but your post is so full of half-truths and outright lies its not funny.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By rudy on 9/6/2010 2:07:45 PM , Rating: 4
It is not cheating so much as good player cannot get as good on a console. I play both and there is a world of skill difference between myself with a crappy small innacurate joystick and a precise mouse. There is also a big difference in how fast I can move through commands when I have 100 keys on a good keyboard available as opposed to unresponsive low quality controllers with an order of magnitude less keys.

A console just forces everyone to play like crap because they are given crap it is more like just handicapping good players so they cannot play to their full potential. Bad players are bad anyway so they hardly notice the difference other then they do not get fragged as fast.

Then again it is the way people move because it makes more noobs feel like they are better then they actually are.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By Reclaimer77 on 9/5/10, Rating: -1
RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By retrospooty on 9/5/2010 1:47:54 PM , Rating: 2
and you are in denial if you dont think console game sales arent vastly larger than PC, and the gap is growing every year. Its not even close, go ahead, google it.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By Reclaimer77 on 9/5/2010 1:58:34 PM , Rating: 2
lol you bring up sales. Dude Starcraft II sold a bagillion copies overnight. Just shut up. 7 million people playing WoW, I guess they don't count either?

Just tired of hearing "pc gaming is dying forever" from you idiots. Go away. The PC platform will ALWAYS be the superior way to play games, it isn't going anywhere.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By retrospooty on 9/5/2010 2:06:52 PM , Rating: 2
"pc gaming is dying forever"

you put quotes on it, but you types it out yourself ??? Where exactly did I say anything like that? You are, as usual having an argument by yourself, arguing points that were only made in your own head.

All I am saying is that sales of console games are far FAR higher. Call of Duty Modern warefare 2 is a good example, as it came out on Xbox, PC, and PS3. The 2 consoles sole over 6 million the first month, while PC was 170,000.

You can think 7 million is alot, but there are 100's of millions of consoles out there. I dont think PC gaming is going away and never said anything of hte sort - just that Consoles are where the vast mojority of sales, developers, games and $$$ is at.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By Alexstarfire on 9/5/2010 2:21:48 PM , Rating: 2
Comparing individual games you're probably right, but PC has far more games than any single console could ever hope for in it's entire lifetime. Counting up total sales on an individual platform would be practically impossible.

Ohh, and there are billions of PCs in the world. Several times larger than all the current-gen consoles combined. Doubt more money is being made on consoles. For any single dev, they probably do make more, but as a whole it's just asinine to think that a smaller market can make more than a much bigger one. It's easy to see that most of the newer games are geared towards consoles though.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By nikon133 on 9/5/2010 6:45:38 PM , Rating: 4
How many of those PCs are capable of running modern games, and how many of those capable are actually being used to run games..?

And then, there is another thing: while high-end gaming rigs do offer superior visual experience to consoles, as you start to move down the scale to mid-level market and sacrifice visual details to keep usable frame rates, PC gaming experience levels to console very quickly, and dips below. Is it more effort being made on console games development, better optimisation or something else, I don't know, but PC requires more hardware power than console to give same level of details. Just look at the game like God of War or Gran Turismo 4 on old PS2 - what games could run on PC with 28MB of RAM and 4MB of video RAM..?

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By Alexstarfire on 9/5/2010 8:20:22 PM , Rating: 1
Congrats on knowing that coding for everything means it'll be less efficient than coding for one set of hardware.

I'm not going to try to argue about whole markets. I don't have the kind of information to make accurate statements. I doubt anyone does. If even a quarter, which is probably a gross underestimate, of those PCs were being used to play games that's still about as much as all the consoles combined. You have to remember that it's not just modern big name games, which is actually probably a rather small portion of the whole market, but also the likes of Farmville. People play Farmville on their phones now-a-days and tons of games like that. Plenty of good flash games that cost money. Well over half of computers out there can run flash games.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By rudy on 9/6/2010 2:13:44 PM , Rating: 2
What you say only holds true if you pit a brand new console vs a brand new PC. Not more than 18 months old. By the time a console releases its hardware is alreay 1 year behind PCs. At 2 years mid range PCs are better and 3 years low end PCs are probably better.

If you added the price of your brand new console and PC together you would have been able to just buy a better PC.

Also you are comparing apples to oranges. Acceptable frame rates on a console is 30 fps where as it is 60 on a PC to most people Heck most console noobs don't even have a clue what fps are. Even if they do their garbage controllers do not allow them to move fast enough to play fast games anyway.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By Reclaimer77 on 9/5/10, Rating: -1
RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By retrospooty on 9/5/2010 3:35:38 PM , Rating: 5
Now I am a console fanboy? LOL , I have had a PS3 all of 6 months. My last console prior to that was the original Nintendo I bought back in 1989.

As usual, you pick particular sentences, ignoring the whole overall point, then create sides in your mind and label the other side. Its not all good and evil. There is no "pc vs console" war here, and I am no "console biased fanboy" you heaping idiot.

I am simply saying that the vast majority of gamers, games, game developers and money is going to consoles. If that offends you, then you have issues. If that makes me a fanboy in your small "us vs them" mind, then fine. I am a fanboy. Whatever, you need to grow up.

The truth is, I really wish PC would have been the victor. Better control, flexibility, mods, customizations etc etc. All I was saying is the facts... The facts are consoles are where gaming is at now. There is nothing you or I can say or do to make that untrue.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By Reclaimer77 on 9/5/2010 5:31:37 PM , Rating: 2
How can you claim to be "just saying" consoles sell more, with absolutely no anti-pc bias, when your OP was full of this kind of stuff:

"Kinect for Xbox and Natal for PS3 will be sealing the nails in the coffin of PC gaming even more"

You were either just trying to be witty, or you're autistic and don't grasp the imagery that using the word "coffin" drags up.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By retrospooty on 9/5/2010 6:51:33 PM , Rating: 2
You are so aggro on every issue, i dont get that. Most people dont think like you. I fail to see how making a simple statement gives me an "anti-pc bias". Again, you are creating arguments and aggression where none exists. I am the furthest thing in the world from an anti PC fanboy. I love PC. I love what it has done for the world, and I love what it has done for my career, as well as my spare time. I absolutely love them, and am grateful that I can make a living playing with PC's and helping others on them all day long. I dont get why me saying that most game developers, and most gamers are on consoles makes you angry. What difference does it make to you anyhow? What of anything I said turns you to the dark side? We are talking about games, which from what I can tell, we both like. It not something to be all angry about.

The only animosity at all here is the animosity in your head. You have issues my friend, I hope that in real life you are less of a nutjob than you come off online. If the fact that console games are far bigger than PC games really angers you that much, I suggest you seek professional help.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By Reclaimer77 on 9/5/2010 7:38:13 PM , Rating: 2
Again, if you didn't want people to think you weren't proclaiming the death of PC gaming, you maybe shouldn't use terms like "nails in coffin". Or do you not have the intellect to understand how that comes off?

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By retrospooty on 9/5/2010 9:02:01 PM , Rating: 2
I stand behind everything I said here, especially the part about your anger issues. It takes a true fanboi eith angerissues to get mad at what I wrote. It wasn't offensive in any way.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By Alexstarfire on 9/5/2010 8:44:19 PM , Rating: 1
He's kind of right. The "nail in the coffin" comment has no basis in fact. As such it is a very strong opinion against PC gaming. Even if that's not what you intended, that's how it looks to us.

Yes, it's obvious that most developers are moving to consoles. It's not that hard to see why. They say it's because of piracy, but that's bullshit. Of course, anyone who knows about the whole piracy issue knows that. It's about money, it always is. They have seen how much MMOs make and want to set up a similar type of system on the console. A subscription type service won't really work for non-MMO games. Instead of a subscription service they sell you all the add-ons: weapons, mods, maps, outfits, etc.

Console gaming isn't and can't be bigger than PC gaming. A few hundred million consoles vs over a billion PCs. Yes, not all are used to play games and yes not all of them will run the latest and greatest games, but those aren't the only games made and/or played.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By mcnabney on 9/6/2010 10:30:24 AM , Rating: 3
The devil is always in the details.

When these numbers come out that show PC gaming in massive decline they use words like "retail sales". That means a colorful box with a disk in it sold by Best Buy or Gamestop. I haven't bought one of those for a while. See, PCs have this thing called Steam, and some estimates show that half of all PC game title sales go through it. Steam is conveniently not part of the Retail Sales channel.

Also, there are all kinds of games. Subscription MMOs are typically not counted (or at most they count it as one sale - one sale that ends up making the developer hundreds of dollars each). Casual games are never counted, and the analysis of time-played on casual PC games dwarfs all other games combined due to the fact that there really are a billion or two boxes capable of playing them.

Obviously, PCs are not in the drivers seat for game development (except a few key types like MMOs and RPGs). I really think that Microsoft might be realizing that hurting PCs to advance the Xbox platform could potentially hurt Windows. If I wasn't playing games on my PCs I really don't see much need to have Windows on it.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By FITCamaro on 9/6/2010 12:37:40 PM , Rating: 1
They say it's because of piracy, but that's bullshit

It's about money

You realize they are one in the same right? More piracy = less money.

I don't think developers have ever tried to say otherwise. They say its about piracy. Which can be read as "we make less money". Less money typically means less, worse, or no games.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By Alexstarfire on 9/6/2010 4:55:36 PM , Rating: 1
Kinda is, kinda isn't. They aren't really losing money because of piracy. They are losing it because they made shitty games. No one is going to pay $50-$60 for a shitty game. They'd rather pirate it.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By FITCamaro on 9/7/2010 8:39:07 AM , Rating: 2
Justify it however you want. Stealing is stealing. I won't say I've never pirated. But I am not in denial about what I was doing.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By Alexstarfire on 9/7/2010 11:58:17 AM , Rating: 2
I sure hope that wasn't directed at me because I wasn't justifying piracy in the slightest.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By inighthawki on 9/5/2010 4:48:44 PM , Rating: 1
That's because the MW2 version on PC is total shit. You lose a lot of sales when you tell your customers to f*ck off with a lack of features that have existed in every PC game since quake. Of all the people smart enough to realize how a PC is a superior gaming experience, you just lost about 75%.

No dedicated servers, because IW knows better than us. No lean because consoles can't do that, so why not limit PC players too. Unlockable gametypes, because everyone loves playing for hours before even being able to play the game they want. No way to pick the map you want to play, because it's impossible for someone to like a single map above others. Costly DLC packages that historically came free in patches for other games.. To name a few.

I for one will not pay $60 ($10 price hike over every other PC title) and $15 for a map pack of 5 maps for a game that doesn't even let me choose what game I want to play in.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By retrospooty on 9/5/2010 6:56:45 PM , Rating: 1
"That's because the MW2 version on PC is total shit. You lose a lot of sales when you tell your customers to f*ck off with a lack of features that have existed in every PC game since quake"

Exactly... Most developers are purposefully moving away from PC, and they just don't care about it as a platform. Many do half assed port jobs, and many don't release at all. I am not saying its fair, or that it is right, I am just saying it is happening.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By nafhan on 9/5/2010 12:05:31 PM , Rating: 1
PC gaming will die when there's no more money to be made PERIOD. Developers are still making money, so they're still making games.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By SPOOFE on 9/5/2010 12:12:52 PM , Rating: 3
Wherever there's spare processing cycles to be found, someone will find a way to run a game off it. It's like Rule 34 without the stickiness.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By retrospooty on 9/5/2010 1:52:21 PM , Rating: 2
I agree, it will still be around, my point is that most developers and most games are now written for the consoles. Its like the Mac platform. Mac has been around 5% global marketshare for 15+ years. They are making money, and arent going away, but most software is written for PC. Same deal with console gaming vs. PC, only PC is on the short end of the stick on gaming.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By Pirks on 9/6/10, Rating: -1
RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By retrospooty on 9/6/2010 12:56:32 AM , Rating: 2
OMG, get a life. You put way too much of your self worth in your electronics. I was talking about me, and my own obsession with upgrading, I had a problem, most people do not. I wasnt anywhere making a blanket statement about everyone and I was not advertising for consoles. WTF, you are the second person today that takes all kinds of offense because I said console gaming is where most all of the money, developers and such are concentrating. It's not personal man, its OK, your gonna be fine. Its not like I insulted your precious Mac platform FFS!

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By Pirks on 9/6/10, Rating: 0
RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By Alexstarfire on 9/6/2010 11:37:27 AM , Rating: 2
Only for you is it normal. We can see all your hate in your first sentence here. He made a small joke and you blow up about it.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By retrospooty on 9/6/2010 12:02:16 PM , Rating: 2
1. gasp! Did YOU just say that? lol
2. Thanks... I am really just looking on the bright side. Console taking over the bulk of the gaming world had a few good points for me, and I was just stating them, and telling the original post that I responded to to get used to it, because consoles are where its at, like it or not.
3. Only to a fanboy would this be insulting. In a non literal sense, it will be nailing the coffin. not that PC game sales will be dead, but the vast disparity in game sales and developers focus will grow even more when Kinect and Natal are out.

When Natal and Kinect come out, + add a year or two for the bulk of the talented game developers out there to release a 2nd gen of games designed for it, its going to rock.

Imagine playing a boxing game where to throw and uppercut, you literally have to throw and uppercut and dodging means really dodging. Light saber battles with a handheld wand of sorts that matches your every move, etc etc. You could even potentially have a 3 stooges game where you get poked in the eyes, and the 2nd poke deflect it by placing your flat hand on the bridge of your nose perpendicular to your face to block the 2 finger eye poke. OK, that sounds rediculous, but you get my point, there is no limit to gaming with controllers like that.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By Alexstarfire on 9/6/2010 9:12:43 PM , Rating: 2
Kinect is Natal. I assume you mean Kinect and Move since Move is for the PS3. Kinect/Natal and Move aren't going to have much of an impact. They are just addons, expensive ones at that. There'll probably be a few games with maybe 1-2 that have any type of splash in the market. We all know that if it doesn't come standard it's going to be a very niche product.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By retrospooty on 9/7/2010 8:18:56 AM , Rating: 2
I am not talking at release date, I am talking a few years down the road when the potential is reached and developers are making really great games with it. It will change the face of gaming forever. Maybe not the first release, but a future improved and cheaper version... Maybe even next gen consoles. Have you seen what it can do?

Try not to think of the cheesy games it will be released with, but years down the road. There are literally no limits to the games that can be made from it.

Niche market? Years from now we will be talking about how it changed gaming forever.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By Alexstarfire on 9/7/2010 12:10:31 PM , Rating: 2
HAHAHAHAHA.... my daily laugh has been filled again.

I was talking about it's whole lifetime, not at release. Name one addon EVER that wasn't a niche product? Closest thing I can think of is Sega CD.... and you see how well that worked.

Kinect could be the addon that breaks the mold, but I think you're diluting yourself if that's something you are expecting. Move is too similar to the WiiMote to have any type of impact. If they use Kinect as a primary type controller for the next xBox..... THEN it could end up being game changing. The way it is now.... highly highly highly highly unlikely.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By retrospooty on 9/7/2010 12:49:14 PM , Rating: 2
Glad I could help brighten your day LOL ;) ...

I am not talking about it as an add on, I am talking about the tech. Full motion sensors are going to change gaming.And yes, you can gaurantee the next Xbox and Playstation will both have it. Its going to be huge.

I got a chance to see it working in person at the Microsoft store here in Scottsdale AZ. The lines of absolutely awe struck people waiting to get a turn tell all. Believe me, its going to be big and will change gaming.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By FITCamaro on 9/6/2010 12:29:43 PM , Rating: 3
Just sitting here eating popcorn and drinking a Coke watching all the butt hurt people fight over consoles and PCs.

Fact: Console gaming is bigger than PC gaming now.
Fact: This isn't changing anytime soon.
Fact: PCs are more powerful and offer a better graphical and control experience for certain games.
Fact: Consoles have risen to the top because developers don't have to worry about piracy as much and because they don't have to design their game around every changing, and endless system configurations. This means cheaper development and more profit.

I love PCs for some games and consoles for some games. RPGs are more fun on consoles. PCs have better control on FPSs and RTSs. However consoles can have good controls for an FPS when they're done right. RTSs will never really be suited for consoles since the level of quick, accurate control for selection of units isn't there.

But more as of late, I like being able to sit on the couch instead of at my desk. This generally lends itself to consoles. I am getting FFXIV when it comes out on PC at the end of the month. However once the PS3 version becomes available, I am going to do the majority of my playing on it. Why? Because its more relaxing. Now if I want to watch something on TV while playing, I can just fire up the PC since I have it set up on a coffee table next to the couch. Graphics really aren't a big deal either way. Awesome graphics don't make a bad game good.

Get over the hate. Play on what you want. It's your money and your time. And pay for your games. Otherwise they won't make any more and the ones they do make suck more.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By callmeroy on 9/7/2010 8:11:43 AM , Rating: 2
YAWN! "PC gaming is dead...."...YAWN!

That line was stated many times over several years...hell I remember people saying that around the time the original Xbox was brand new.

The fact is I do think ONE day MAYBE that line may come true -- but for now and the forseeable future if for no other reasons than MMO's and strategy games PC's will have a life beat and a strong one at that.

I don't care what ANY console fanatic says MMO's just aren't the same on a console....and when millions upon millions play a SINGLE MMO that ranks in just over a BILLION dollars gross per year...and remember that's just from ONE MMO franchise (WoW btw is what I'm referring to)...I have to think if you added up the gross take from all the major MMO's --- Aion, EQ, Warhammer, EVE, etc. we have be a couple billion annually if WoW can do a billion by itself.

With billions flowing around trust me...PC gaming will be fine...

As long as the MMO market holds strong interest (and the dollars and subscriber stats say it is) PC gaming will have a place.

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By callmeroy on 9/7/2010 8:16:54 AM , Rating: 2
...the funny thing is Xbox 360 could easily do an MMO like WoW and be successful I think....but Blizzard refuses to port it to console....just throw it over to Xbox 360 and make a mouse and keyboard ...bam now you just tapped into millions of more potential subscribers who are just console gamers...

I guess Blizz just thinks it would be too much work and then they'd have to support both a PC and a Console platform too...

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By Alexstarfire on 9/7/2010 12:29:50 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, Blizzard of all companies thinks it would be too much work. Because that statement makes any sense what-so-ever.

Don't know why they decided not to do it. Likely it's because they think they won't get a lot of sales. Runs on most computers and they practically give away the game for free since you have to pay for monthly subscriptions. What would be the point in spending a lot of time and effort for practically no sales?

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By callmeroy on 9/7/2010 4:00:06 PM , Rating: 2
I honestly don't know to agree with you or if that was a very poor attempt at flaming me.....if it was a flame that was horrid as I can't be offended if I have no idea WTF you are trying to say....

And btw I didn't mean to suggest it would be "free to play" in a console's my point...if it went to console MORE people paying for it each month....

RE: Anyone but Gearbox!!!
By Alexstarfire on 9/7/2010 6:27:28 PM , Rating: 2
You fail at reading comprehension I guess. The first part of my post was sarcasm. I'll use sarcasm tags for you next time.

I don't know where you got this "free to play" thing from either. I never said that. I also said that since pretty much everyone can play it on their computer and that it's basically free for them to get the program that almost no one would buy a console version. Why would they? At best it'd be equal to the PC version, though that's not likely, and they'd probably already have it. It'd be a lot of effort for very little return.

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