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No more modchip, no more softmod. XBOX 1 can play "backup" discs or XBMC with ease

The XBox hacking community has now claimed that with the original Xbox, players everywhere no longer need to purchase and have a mod-chip installed in order to play backed up games.

Traditionally, Xbox users were using hardware modifications that were installed to bypass certain checking and verification schemes that Microsoft implemented. Eventually through the Xbox Live! service, Microsoft was able to enforce a certain amount of authentication, banning those it detected to have modified Xbox units.

Then came the mods where users could flip a switch and go back and forth between "modded" mode and regular original mode, which allowed players to play authentic Xbox Live enabled titles but switch back to playing backed up discs at will.

Now, using specialized firmware mods, the hackers claim to have a mod-chip free method that works 100% of the time. No details were given about how this would work with Xbox Live.

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Backed up games? Excuse me?
By Bonrock on 2/1/06, Rating: 0
RE: Backed up games? Excuse me?
By butane317 on 2/1/2006 3:33:42 PM , Rating: 2
RE: Backed up games? Excuse me?
By Tebor0 on 2/1/2006 3:39:05 PM , Rating: 2
Until you can prove that every use of a mod-chip or hack involves piracy you're just making an assumption which is strikingly similar to what you're doing in labeling all those who mod/hack as pirates.


RE: Backed up games? Excuse me?
By Kilim on 2/1/2006 3:47:47 PM , Rating: 2
Cracking and Modding XBOX's is for piracy. If you decide to use it for a linux install that is the exception to the rule.

If you "assume" cracking an XBOX is for piracy, you are correct, and a legitimate use for it IS the exception.



RE: Backed up games? Excuse me?
By Tebor0 on 2/1/2006 4:04:42 PM , Rating: 2
Again we're assuming. Just like you may assume a gun is used to kill it could very well be an "exception".
Pay attention to the words I'm using as I'm not saying it doesn't happen, instead I'm saying that it's foolish to cry foul and call all those who use mods/crack pirates.


RE: Backed up games? Excuse me?
By kalaap on 2/1/2006 4:10:32 PM , Rating: 2
You just contradicted yourself in the first line.

Saying "Cracking and Modding XBOX's is for piracy" implies its absolute. There are no exceptions to absolutes.

If I cracked my xbox for the heck of it and then returned to the original condition, is that an exception too?


RE: Backed up games? Excuse me?
By Rolphus on 2/1/2006 4:58:31 PM , Rating: 3
I own an XBox. For my sins, it's my main DVD player. I'm interested in this because I want to watch a Region 1 DVD I legitimately purchased in the US because, at the time, the UK version didn't exist (the DVD in question is Terminator 2 Ultimate Edition).

As far as I'm concerned, modding the XBox so that I can watch Region 1 DVDs is perfectly legitimate.

I'm also interested in running emulators on it, and using it to stream audio from my PC and mac. None of these things constitute piracy, and yet none of them are possible with an unmodified XBox.


RE: Backed up games? Excuse me?
By Kilim on 2/1/06, Rating: 0
RE: Backed up games? Excuse me?
By KashGarinn on 2/2/2006 5:48:44 AM , Rating: 3
Could you be any more prejudiced?

First, if you BUY something, it's yours to do with as you like, the only thing which you void is warranty, so if you're not going to use the warranty, you have full rights to do with an Xbox as you please.

Second, if you PREJUDGE that anyone who modifies his xbox is doing it for illegal purposes, when there are dozens of other legal purposes to modify an xbox, you are stamping on one of the greatest ideals of human law, that every man is innocent until proven without a doubt guilty. (and if you don't like that, which system would you like more, that 10 innocent men go to jail for every 1 guilty man which goes to jail, or that 1 guilty man goes free for every 10 innocent which go free?)

So owning a modified xbox does not constitute as a crime, as owning a modified xbox isn't a crime, and thus is not evidence of wrongful doing, and thus you are displaying your lack of that understanding.

K.


RE: Backed up games? Excuse me?
By Kilim on 2/4/06, Rating: 0
RE: Backed up games? Excuse me?
By on 2/5/2006 4:37:04 PM , Rating: 2
Geez I hate people like you, who stereotype everyone.

The driving force behind modding is the fact that the Xbox (original) is a PC in a black box and only 150 bucks. Most of us use them as media extenders from a PC in the basement. I suppose with a USB adapter and VGA adapter cable, you've got a great supercheap computing system.

I use my (softmodded) Xbox for XBMC and CCXStream (for TiVo) in the other room. Its fantastic as a networked media player. I also put in a bigger hard drive so I can put my games on a menu-list and lock the games away from the kids' grubby hands (anyone with small children knows exactly what I mean). UnleashX is great because I can password protect "Dad's Games" from "Kid's Games".

Don't pontificate about every modder being a "pirate" because my case just proved you wrong.


RE: Backed up games? Excuse me?
By Kilim on 2/6/06, Rating: 0
RE: Backed up games? Excuse me?
By mindless1 on 2/2/2006 11:38:05 AM , Rating: 2
I think we've already established that you're just wrong.
Maybe, just maybe that's what you would do with it, since you can see no other purpose. Other people have legitimate interest in a small versatile system like that.


RE: Backed up games? Excuse me?
By Christopher1 on 2/2/2006 10:51:33 PM , Rating: 1
No, it isn't piracy, because the companies in question have gotten their money back, and astoundingly more by this point on NES and SNES games.
It may be piracy from a 'legal' standpoint, however in real life, it is not piracy.
Piracy is when you take games from a CURRENTLY SELLING console and make them available for free.


RE: Backed up games? Excuse me?
By Kilim on 2/4/2006 11:22:57 PM , Rating: 2
What do you mean they got their money back? They put a lot of money into it, they own it, and they have a right to say what a person can do with it, especially if that person never bought it!

What do you mean it is not piracy in "real life." You just admitted it was not legal, so how is breaking the law not "real?"

And another point, if I handed out CD=ROMS full of old Nintendo software on the street to any passerby, there is no way for Nintendo to stop me, it is not like it is wrong or anything, right?

Oh yeah, and does not Nintendo not have a right to make money on its old IP's? If selling its old NES, SNES, and N64 on the revolution helps to keep its home console business afloat. How is not buying it legally and instead downloading them for free not wrong?

And yes, I do see these sites and I see them earning money through click-thru ads and banners, I am sure all of this money they just use for their bandwith and hosting bills and give the rest to charity.


RE: Backed up games? Excuse me?
By Christopher1 on 2/5/2006 11:07:58 PM , Rating: 1
You apparently missed the point, by this time Nintendo, Sega, etc. have gotten their money back, and multiples of that, on NES, SNES, Genesis, and Playstation games.
I do not feel bad about downloading emulated games for said system, because Nintendo, Sega, etc. are not selling those games anymore, and have no plans to sell them IN THE FORM THEY WERE RELEASED as on those systems.
Sure, they may make 'updates' to the games, but by the time they are done updating said game, it is actually a whole different game.
Prince of Persia for NES, compared to Prince of Persia for Playstation 2 and PC. I think you get my point.


RE: Backed up games? Excuse me?
By Kilim on 2/6/2006 3:22:58 AM , Rating: 1
No, I do not get your point because you missed my point which made your point pretty pointless. lol.

Yes, they do sell them in the form they were released. You can legally buy MANY NES, and SNES games on the GBA. Sure the controller is shaped differently but it IS THE SAME GAME. At that point you have a "right" to use it how you wish. Cuz you paid for it.

You can also go to Ebay and buy those games on the secondhand market, making it all legal.

And how can you say Nintendo got failry compensated for their work. They created it, they risked their money making it and they have a right to say when those checks are enough. Or their rights expire. It is theirs, just become some guy posted it on the internet does not make it "FAIR" to use it as you wish without paying for it.

Just admit you want stuff for free. And why would you even mention feeling bad? Did you feel the need to justify something you did wrong? Is it working for you?


RE: Backed up games? Excuse me?
By bldckstark on 2/6/2006 12:43:19 PM , Rating: 2
Why do cars go faster than 75 MPH when we can stop that from happening? Why are there guns for sale in stores all over the country? Why can people without diseases buy syringes? Hell, why can you buy a meat cleaver if you aren't a butcher? Answer all of these questions first, then start your sh1t about Xbox. Killing is are way more socially unacceptable than stealing, but we can buy guns anywhere. Why? Because in this country (USA) we are innocent until proven guilty by a jury of our peers. We have the opportunity to break the law at every turn. Should we ban all things that allow or help a person to break the law? Not gonna happen in this country. Mod your Xbox if you want, it is no different than buying a vehicle larger than a moped. No whining if you get caught pirating tho.


RE: Backed up games? Excuse me?
By Kilim on 2/10/2006 10:01:40 PM , Rating: 2
What do those points, concerning life and death issues, have to with the topic?

My point is not that you should not be able to mod your XBOX, it is that the vast majority of people do so to use pirated content. Yes, to get something that is not theirs, that they did not legally acquire, which may be called, um...I don't know...stealing? And yes, if you do not do that, or if you do use it for Linux or as a media center, then go ahead, do as you please.

I just want people to cut the BS and admit, without some lame justification , that you acquire those ROM'S, the MP3'S, and the video's because you can get them for free. Not some lame "noble" cause like "sticking it to the man" that just so happens to get what you want for free.


RE: Backed up games? Excuse me?
By Reflex on 2/1/2006 4:16:47 PM , Rating: 2
Plenty of people I know use a modchip so they can run Xbox Media Center. I honestly don't know anyone who hacked theirs to play pirated games, although I suppose a couple may have. Its a full featured PC in a box with low power requirements, theres literally a ton of uses for it that don't involve piracy.


By siiix on 2/6/2006 12:32:27 PM , Rating: 2
LOL ... you must be kidding me : )
That really made me laugh

What is the point of moding your xbox if you not save the invested money by copying 100 games to the harddrive?!

besides hacked xbox will eventually cut and blocked from the crappie xbox-live service, with will make you online gaming limited don’t mater if you games are legal or not from that point

i simply got 2 one “virgin” for xbox-live and one “hacked” for pirated games

the xbox as home multimedia center… how high tech… seriously
media center .. yeah right : )


RE: Backed up games? Excuse me?
By siiix on 2/6/2006 12:19:03 PM , Rating: 2
look i'm for my part are a PROUD owner of a PIRATED Xbox, and i not ashamed to admit that i have it to play games for free, with is piracy

How ever the same way corporations lie every day about they products private people do the same

this is how the world works and this is how it will always work till we need any form currency to get stuff we need

so they call it a “BACKUP device” is a trick to make it kinda legal,
how is that any different that the craaap corporations lie to us about it every day???!!!

and most people do are not so blunt like me, actually I’m probably 1 in a 1000 at best, I say out everything what I think and NOT ONLY on the internet

yes I use pirated game
yes I use drugs every weekend
yes I speed every time I feel like driving fast

and I’m damn proud of my life !! : )

can you say the same ??? will you admit to any one (except the authorities of course) if you do something illegal , immoral , not approved by society ? EVERY TIME

because if you don’t then don’t post craaap on the internet how we should do or not


RE: Backed up games? Excuse me?
By Kilim on 2/6/2006 1:44:10 PM , Rating: 2
Never [enter] into dispute or argument with another. I never yet saw an instance of one of two disputants convincing the other by argument. I have seen many on their getting warm, becoming rude and shooting one another."

-- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), 3rd US President, Democrat


I mod my xbox for playing games...
By modder on 2/2/2006 1:41:23 PM , Rating: 3
Modding isn't for everyone, but i think it serves a good purpose - though many will deny this. Let's be realistic about this - not everyone that downloads a game(or music) would have bought that game(or CD). The movie/music/game industries don't lose nearly as much money as they claim. There are many mediocre games that I download which I never would have bought, but if a game is good enough, i will buy it. I think I've purchased 8 games in total for my xbox. Many of those, I downloaded before I bought(serves same purpose as renting to me).

How many of you have bought games that completely suck and have felt ripped off after? If a game company spends a lot of time developing a game, odds are they are going to release it anyway because they want to recoup their money. They don't care that if the game is good or not at this point, they just want your money. There's a real lack of quality control in this industry. This is one way to avoid getting ripped off like this. I've been playing games since the days of atari 2600 and I know i've spent a lot of money on games that ended up sucking real bad over the years. Now there's a way to avoid this.

Of course, there are always going to be people who play pirated games because they are cheap or don't have money. Do you honestly think these people would have bought all these games if modchips didn't exist? Of course not.

Many similarities to the music industry. People got fed up, buying whole cd's just because they wanted 1 song, so people started downloading music. That just wasn't fair to the consumer. Now you can buy music on a per song basis. Many people who weren't buying music, are buying music again.

I know lots many people who have modchips, and almost all of them have a decent collection of retail games as well. Don't be such brainless consumers people.




RE: I mod my xbox for playing games...
By Pythias on 2/6/2006 1:20:21 AM , Rating: 2
Thats kind of an assinine argument. I wouldnt buy it but I'll take it for free.

Have you ever heard of theft of services? Like skipping out on a motel bill? Its a Felony and stealing content should be as well.

Justify it anyway you want. Theft is theft.


By modder on 2/9/2006 11:58:50 AM , Rating: 2
How do you figure? People rent and borrow things all the time with no intention of buying. Haven't you ever been curious to watch a movie, or borrow a tool or something from a friend, knowing full well that you would never buy it yourself? Same concept here. Or what about a game that can be finished in a short period of time? It's a lot of money to spend on a game if you're only curious or if it's that short.

And like I said, if the game ends up being that good, i'll buy it. I've been surpised number of times.

Makes sense to me - seems to make sense to a lot of people.


By siiix on 2/6/2006 12:44:26 PM , Rating: 2
I totally agree

A pirate is always a pirate

And someone that buys cd and dvd will not sit there numerous hours and spend day downloading stuff then find the right software to burn it, that’s just simply not how those people want to do things

its not even a question of morality, is simply a different way of going about things

I’m 38 years old , and in my entire life I only buyed 1 music CD, 1 DVD,
and a few games what you have to buy because they only work online (although the games I all got on eBay not new)

and it don’t mater how laws will change I will NOT change

and so will the guy that has a 1000 DVD collection not get a high end PC and start every night downloading movies

he might download a few to see how it is , I might end up buying something because it on sale or something, but generally people are who they are

but don’t get me wrong I’m not saying at all that piracy should be legal , hell no where is the fun then : )


I agree...
By joey420 on 2/2/2006 7:31:35 PM , Rating: 2
Too many comapnies just push out CRAP games with no way to return software. I pirate games so I can find out if its decent, then I buy the damn thing if I like it. All the demos that they put out are incomplete/buggy so they don't give you a good idea of the final product.




RE: I agree...
By Christopher1 on 2/2/2006 10:54:19 PM , Rating: 1
I have to agree with those statement. The developers spiffy up their demos in order to make them look good. The demos are NOT a good measurement of the real game's potential.
I downloaded a demo for Twinsen's Odyssey back in 1998, thought it was good, but then when I got the actual game for Christmas when it came out, it wasn't as good as I thought it was.


RE: I agree...
By RandomFool on 2/7/2006 10:44:55 AM , Rating: 2
That still doesn't make it alright to steal the games. Maybe you could try reading review instead of stealing the game and claiming you'll buy them if they're good. It's like stealing a car and saying you'll buy it if it runs ok after driving cross country.


RE: I agree...
By modder on 2/9/2006 12:13:44 PM , Rating: 2
Would you buy a car based on someone else's oppinion or because it was rated good in a magazine? I hope not. It's tough to know these days which oppinions are legit and which are biased because they have been paid off(it happens - there were a few companies that got busted for this in '05). And different people have different tastes.

The cool thing about buying a car is they will let you fully test it before you buy it. Cool concept if you ask me.





I think not....
By brshoemak on 2/1/2006 2:36:47 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Hackers Announce that XBox 1 is Completely Hacked


Completely hacked eh?


Great, I'll go install OS X on it right now :)




RE: I think not....
By maasneotek on 2/5/2006 4:24:00 PM , Rating: 2
As for demos of games, its not that easy. Playing a pirated verson of a game to evaluate a possible purchase has points on both sides I agree with.
While i really dont consider myself a thief, I have been burned a few times by games i wishI HAD stolen rather than bought. In the past 4 or 5 years, companies have demos games that look nothing like the quality of work outside of a cutscene. Seen the trailers for "killswitch" on PS2? look at the gameplay. Seen the fantastic comercials for Callofduty2 on the xbox? lok at the actual gameplay, its nowhere NEAR the beauty of those commercials. When companies play dirty like that, it really feels like vindication for piracy.

But I digress. I see no reason to call people who mod their xbox pirates, enthusiasts maybe, just because you cannot find a USE for what they are doing shouldnt mean they are automatically lawbreakers. WARRENTEE voiders YES, thieves no.

-maasneotek


I love it
By mofo3k on 2/1/2006 2:59:21 PM , Rating: 2
Awesome, the dude announces to the world that he has cracked the Xbox bios and can now play backups. Except that he can't prove it, won't share how he did it, and doesn't plan on sharing it ever. What a waste.




RE: I love it
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 2/1/2006 3:18:00 PM , Rating: 3
Just to get it on there, you need a DVD that will flash the media. It seems to me that since the XBOX key was never cracked, and never realistically will be, he used a key from a game to upload his "bios."

Unless I'm reading this wrong, that's kinda like me saying "I got open office to work by installing MS word, then adding some files to make it Open Office...."

Kristopher


XBox Emulator
By OddTSi on 2/1/2006 5:41:18 PM , Rating: 2
I'm still waiting for someone to make a fully-functional XBox emulator. I don't care about mod chips and installing Linux on the XBox, I want to be able to play XBox games on an HTPC.




RE: XBox Emulator
By tenguman on 2/1/2006 6:12:19 PM , Rating: 2
I don't get it. Is this like hardcore geek porn or something?


HEy...
By Souka on 2/1/2006 7:30:29 PM , Rating: 2
Hey, I haxed my Atari 2600... can I get my own headline?





RE: HEy...
By tuteja1986 on 2/1/2006 11:50:55 PM , Rating: 2
mm.. but softmodding came a long way and now its damn easy :)


huh
By Lifted on 2/1/2006 3:00:42 PM , Rating: 2
Were they consipiring with Mircosoft to wait until the 360 came out?




Article Wrong
By gameman733 on 2/1/2006 4:37:01 PM , Rating: 2
The article is wrong (or gives people the wrong idea). All that was hacked was the DVD firmware, taking out the media check that xbox games do. The xbe files themselves still have to be signed by MS, meaning you cant run xbox-linux, or xbox media center, or any homebrew programs. What this does is allow you to run backups burned to DVD-R, assuming no tampering has taken place.

More information here: http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EEFlylVlEl...




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