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All of you hackers can now go wild with your Microsoft XBOX 360

Hackers rejoiced last night when "Commodore4Eva," the hacker who previously released the news of original XBOX 360 DVD firmware hack, has released a downloadable version of the XBOX 360 firmware hack. The Xtreme firmware is currently only available for the “TS-H943” XBOX 360.

This firmware modifications boasts that installers of the binary can boot all game backups from both XBOX 360 and the original XBOX and also the original copies of both XBOX system games. This mod also allows the XBOX's drive to work under Windows without any hardware conversion or adaptors, if such a thing seems interesting.  XBOX360.net forum posters claim that Microsoft can probably detect if the firmware has been installed, which may be a large deterrent for those interested in giving it a shot.

There is a basic tutorial that was posted on XBOXhacker.net that goes through the steps on how users can flash the DVD drive on the console. After the flash is completed the firmware then tricks the media check for the XBOX system and gives the system an all-clear signal.  To do all of this you need a PC with a compatible drive that can hooked up to through a SATA to XBOX's Toshiba-Samsung DVD drive.

All of the original links to the firmware downloads have been removed at time of publication, but it seems as though enough people downloaded the links to set up mirrors and BitTorrent links.


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update immenient
By dome1234 on 5/16/06, Rating: 0
RE: update immenient
By Eomer of Aldburg on 5/16/2006 3:12:32 AM , Rating: 2
very good points as stated but "I hope this thread won't degrade into another xbox vs ps3 vs wii orgy fest." LMAO, so funny!


RE: update immenient
By fungry on 5/16/2006 4:21:08 AM , Rating: 4
i think if MS implements routine firmware upgrades everytime you connect to Live will halt such hacks that will be released every now and then. Hence, if those people want to keep those hacks running on their 360s, they will be limited to Online Play for the games as they have. Or even possibly, if MS becomes wreckless, they can temporarily/permanently disable Live Accounts for those running on hacks.

I don't know, in my opinion, its best to follow and obey the law. In addition, respect intellectual property [IP].


RE: update immenient
By tuteja1986 on 5/16/2006 4:28:42 AM , Rating: 2
People will wait for something something that would work with xbox live because xbox live is pretty awesome. Also Microsoft can just put the xbox live update in the upcoming game and force you to update if you want to play your new game.


RE: update immenient
By Ravenlore on 5/16/06, Rating: 0
RE: update immenient
By ZeeStorm on 5/16/2006 2:06:36 PM , Rating: 1
I'd have to say, Xbox Live is probably one of the poorest seems of framework I have seen. The quality and speed is absolutely horrible. The netcode and optimization from every single XBL enabled game is absolutely horrible. XBL can barely handle an 8 player game without lag, not to mention, you're only paying monthly to have people connect to you. They have no servers that you're connecting to (besides for the, at least now with the X360, demos, etc.) play games on. When M$ allows servers to run these as "dedicated" servers, without going through their horrible framework, XBL might be worth it. The dedicated servers on CSX was the closest thing I've seen, but it still goes through their crappy network and slows DOWN by a great deal. Look at all the dedicated servers that CS for PC has, or other games, such as Rainbow Six, or Ghost Recon. They can easily support 16, 32, and CS:S seems to handle 40-64 on a REALLY good dedicated machine. Why is XBL so behind the times? Because M$ is trying to control what's going on between the user and the server. No wonder it goes so slow, M$ has to waste tons of bandwidth and has horrible netcode.


RE: update immenient
By joust on 5/16/2006 5:06:36 PM , Rating: 2
because the online ps2 universe is so much better? oh wait...


RE: update immenient
By Lakku on 5/17/2006 5:23:00 AM , Rating: 2
And everything else in the console world is sooo much better.... oh wait, its not. Yeah it has defaults and problems, but nothing comes close to a closed and non hacked environment as the Live one, but if you like the whole 'lets just cheat at all online games' environment of the PC, then be my guest and love it. I will always be a PC gamer but online, the Live environment is so much better due to the fact it IS controlled. You can either have what you wish, with hacks and cheats, or a slower version, ala MS, without cheats. Take your pick.


RE: update immenient
By Samus on 5/16/2006 6:03:30 PM , Rating: 2
worked for sony and the psp


RE: update immenient
By TheGee on 5/16/2006 6:04:20 AM , Rating: 5
Is this like Windows then? have I only got a license to use it?
Look - I've bought it - if I want reprogram an eprom or put a f**king axe through I will.

It should only become an issue for the feds if I have changed it for nefarious reasons i.e. to run illegal copies. Thats the IP bit. The hacking isn't (or shouldn't be IMHO).
If I choose to run a copy so as to keep the original pristine I will.

Is the whole corporate world changing so that we never actually buy anything? we pay (through the nose in a lot of cases) for the use of it?

Corporations are not altruistic. Laws are changed regularly. And power to the people who explore and push all boundaries. ;-)


RE: update immenient
By segagenesis on 5/16/2006 8:49:00 AM , Rating: 2
Bingo. Why are we succumbing to this kind of double standards tripe about IP? Rather than spend 13958 threads about law like the whackos in the Creative vs. iPod news, it boils down to you're looking too damn hard into it. If we went nickles and dimes on IP or copyright or patents, pretty much everyone who uses both hardware and software mods would be headed to jail right now. Imagine how, sitting in front of what still is basically an IBM PC clone, what would be different if Compaq did not "win"?

I'm really getting tired of these "copyright analyzation" news stories/threads when is very simple... we know that people can use modded consoles to copy games and its bad blah blah blah. Those who try this mod just like those who tried to mod thier original xbox know they wont be able to play Live and they dont care. But lets not forget some positive value of the case if you could run homebrew software on the xbox 360? Emulators? Linux?

Like the parent poster I use my computer as I damn well please. If I don't own the damn hardware then you dont own your car even if you paid it off. Or your house. You'll start paying those who built your house for IP licensing of building techniques soon. Even if your mortgage was paid off. *groan*

Note, I dont think we should get rid of IP and patents completely but something needs to be done where things a freaking monkey could come up with are being patented or copyrighted. Or the blatently obvious.

Edit: I had to re-post because my session timed out and realized I basically said almost the same thing rushfan did about housing. Oops.


RE: update immenient
By Kilim on 5/16/2006 10:33:40 AM , Rating: 1
I blame the chumps who steal the games in the first place more than I blame the corporations for these schemes.


RE: update immenient
By rushfan2006 on 5/16/2006 8:32:54 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Is the whole corporate world changing so that we never actually buy anything? we pay (through the nose in a lot of cases) for the use of it?


Actually we never truly own most anything we buy. Its just with some products it seems that we do because our, how should I say, "rights to use/consume" the product is never an issue because its something we never want to challenge. We don't own products ever in the full sense, we pay for the right to use them.

Do you know that some housing designs are actually copyrighted by some home building firms....so if you actually bought a house of a certain design and wanted to build another one but this time build it yourself - to the EXACT design and using the same techniques of the home building company -- you could be sued. A stretch of an analogy I know - but example that even if you own your house, you may not "truly truly" own it the way you think you do.


Not that I agree with it , but the law is the law and even the stupidest of laws have to be obeyed. If they aren't, then folks shouldn't be shocked when they get fined, jailed or whatever the case may be.

Personally, I increasingly care less and less about the little crap like laws against modifying a game console....kind of hard to justify worrying about little crap like that when this country (US) has massive problems of a much serious nature....anyone hear of a country called Iraq by chance? Or how about the immigration issue? Health Insurance issues...on and on....and on.....


RE: update immenient
By LanceM on 5/16/2006 8:45:42 AM , Rating: 2
But is MS supposed to worry itself with the problems in Iraq? Heck no.


RE: update immenient
By rushfan2006 on 5/16/2006 9:23:24 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
But is MS supposed to worry itself with the problems in Iraq? Heck no.


Dude pass over what you are smoking... I never associated MS with Iraq in the slightest...I was talking about the government making such laws like backing something like don't modify your game console. I wasn't talking about MS worrying about Iraq...I mean try and exert some mental capacity.


RE: update immenient
By segagenesis on 5/16/06, Rating: 0
RE: update immenient
By rushfan2006 on 5/16/2006 9:32:10 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
We shouldnt all go out and start killing people, but if there was a law that said that you were to jump off a cliff every 6 months or face life in prison... would you do it? Have you seen some of the stupid laws being passed lately?


LOL...yeah that's what I mean. Does everything need to be spelled out? Surely you aren't implying that I'm not (in fact anyone) intelligent enough, moral or ethical enough to determine which "laws" are morally questionable and which aren't.

A law telling me to jump off a cliff every 6 months or face life in prison is A) Exponentially absurd, and just "slightly" different from an IP law, B)Such an extreme law wouldn't pass, but if it did - no I wouldn't follow it because instead I'd join the millions of protestors and such lobbying against the law. You see that is how a civilized and legit democratic-republic works. There are legal actions you can exercise to help remove extreme laws.



RE: update immenient
By rrsurfer1 on 5/16/2006 10:20:58 AM , Rating: 2
I'd like to beleive that. Unfortunetely with the divisions in this country its becoming increasingly difficult to get people to rally behind any cause, even rediculous laws.


RE: update immenient
By Scabies on 5/16/2006 1:14:09 PM , Rating: 2
On the contrary, we have people rallying around some pretty rediculous causes


RE: update immenient
By segagenesis on 5/16/2006 10:25:26 AM , Rating: 2
I was not implying you were stupid, was trying to speak in more vague terms (as if they passed a really stupid law, how many people would blindly follow it because it was the law). The example kind of sucked too :)


RE: update immenient
By bohhad on 5/16/2006 1:32:41 PM , Rating: 2
i don't agree with you about the 'even stupid laws must be obeyed' thing, rushfan... if that were true, america would still be a british colony paying taxes on tea.


RE: update immenient
By rushfan2006 on 5/17/2006 4:34:39 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
i don't agree with you about the 'even stupid laws must be obeyed' thing, rushfan... if that were true, america would still be a british colony paying taxes on tea.


I'm quickly learning with these forums you have to spell out everything you mean in explicit detail or folks just don't get it. All I meant, quite simply, by "even the stupid laws have to be obeyed" was from the viewpoint of the government. Meaning if a law isn't obeyed, the government doesn't give a crap if you think its stupid or not - if you are brought before a court and the verdict is you are guilty that's it -- then you have to do the time, pay the fine, whatever the case may be.

That's all I meant. But you folks saying you don't BELIEVE or you FEEL you can do what you want and oh well I'm doing it because its stupid---that's nice to be a tough guy or whatever drives you to say that...doesn't mean you still won't face charges if you are caught breaking such laws.

And of course folks break laws and this country was founded on such stuff. People also died/were executed for such acts too. So there you have it...you can BELIEVE or agree/disagree with anything you want -- do whatever you want, there's such a thing as freewill, but the point here is the gold old fashion "ignorance of the law is no defense".





RE: update immenient
By rushfan2006 on 5/17/2006 4:35:39 PM , Rating: 2
And for the love of God and all that is holy...ANANDTECH..EVER HEAR OF AN EDIT FEATURE FOR YOUR FORUMS!! GEEZ!


RE: update immenient
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 5/17/2006 9:51:27 PM , Rating: 2
It screws up the rating system if people can change their posts. I am still working on a solution.

In the meantime, hit preview before you post :)


RE: update immenient
By UsernameX on 5/16/2006 10:30:06 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I hope this thread won't degrade into another xbox vs ps3 vs wii orgy fest.


Are you saying the xbox is better then the other two systems because you put xbox before the other two systems in this sentence?!?!?!?!?!?!??





lol, kidding...


External boot
By Scabies on 5/16/2006 10:03:37 AM , Rating: 2
So the XBOX 360 has good connectivity with Windows... could we boot copies of games from our 500gb PC storage over LAN someday? Anyone that says they will use this hack to play backups only isnt fooling anybody.

"I paid $50 for a game, copied it, and now I just play the copy."
One of three things just happened
1) Bought the game, copied it, returned the original. Free game
2) Borrowed a friend's game, copied it, then gave it back. Free game
3) Bittorrent. Free game




RE: External boot
By rrsurfer1 on 5/16/2006 10:14:14 AM , Rating: 3
Maybe in many cases. But I should be allowed to backup copies of my own games. I don't want to have to repurchase games due to scratches. If you run off a backup all the time there are no worries. It is unrealistic to say those three situations you described are the ONLY possibilities.

I won't buy any system that doesn't have the capability to play backups in any form.

That said, I do understand reluctance to allow hacked systems on Live due to cheating issues. I would expect MS to block this firmware hack on Live for that reason.


RE: External boot
By Ravenlore on 5/16/2006 12:26:06 PM , Rating: 2

Most people just rent game and copy return, unless someone likes live and uses it and has bought the game then its borrow game and copy.

Mostly, if you have a group of friends its on person rent game copies and lends to others. to copy.

With Xbox you can change HDD for bigger HDD to copy games to and run them from there.

Iam sure this will also happen with Xbox 360 for people who do not USE LIVE. or they will buy a SECOND Xbox360 for LIVE play, just like many people do with Xbox now.


RE: External boot
By Methusela on 5/16/2006 4:35:04 PM , Rating: 3
I may be in the majority, but I don't play consoles ever.

The entire reason why I have a modded xbox, and consequently why I'd like to use a fully hacked/modded xbox360, is because I like inexpensive HTPC's. I want them to be able to browse the local network for movies and music, play them, and browse the internet for anything I want from the comfort of my couch.

Also, when I paid for an xbox, I didn't just pay for the software, firmware, and additional optional content (games). I purchased the hardware, too. Thus, I should be free to make any augmentations of that hardware that I see fit, just as I can with a computer from Dell, a mixer from Kitchen Aid, a wratchet set from SnapOn, or a car from Honda.

My modification to these things in no way, shape, or form infringes on the existing intellectual property that designed them. I did not sign a contract of acceptable use guidelines when I paid for these things with my hard-earned jack. Therefore, I can not be legally restricted in my use of them, aside from laws that regard public safety. Did you sign an acceptable use contract when you bought yours? Would you like to be told how you can use that "personal massager" you bought at Bath & Body Works? I didn't think so.


RE: External boot
By Methusela on 5/16/2006 4:36:01 PM , Rating: 2
Ugh, *may NOT be in the majority*

No edit feature blows. Why even have logins in the first place?


Force update
By LanceM on 5/16/2006 8:48:02 AM , Rating: 2
Couldn't MS simply force users to update when playing a new game? Gears of War, for example, could have a patch on it to update everything on the drive, ridding the console of any hacks. Otherwise, the game refuses to start up.

Actually, didn't they do something like this before? Maybe with GRAW?




RE: Force update
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 5/16/2006 10:12:46 AM , Rating: 2
The true beauty with that is that Microsoft can easily negate this. Just use XBoxLive to update your BIOS, or check it and update if it detects any discrepency. This is the best option as it matches well with the Windows Piracy model, there is nothing that prevents the dedicated from doing it, however doing so will Cripple your ability to Utilize it fully. No XBoxLife if you do it, and for Windows No Defender, IE7, etc.. etc... Sounds like Microsoft actually did their homework here. They still sell their product, you can pirate to your hearts content, but oh your just crippling its capabilities at the same time.


RE: Force update
By epsilonparadox on 5/16/2006 10:44:09 AM , Rating: 3
the problem with that is if there was a sudden power loss during the update, you now have a $400 paperweight.


RE: Force update
By Staples on 5/16/2006 11:25:03 AM , Rating: 2
Exactly. Firmware upgrades are always risky so I doubt MS would ever do dvd drive upgrades over Xbox Live. If th power goes out in a big city or they have a bug in it, it could really really have huge fix costs involved.


RE: Force update
By Scabies on 5/16/2006 1:18:09 PM , Rating: 2
Ick, I have spotty internet that gives out randomly for unpredictable periods of time, regardless of weather, what I was doing online, or what the power is doing. I suddenly vow to not get an xbox :D


Typos
By gdillon on 5/16/2006 10:04:07 AM , Rating: 2
Hey, Johnny, there are two typos in this article:

"All of you hackers can no w go wild with your Microsoft XBOX 360"

"This firmware modifications bo a sts that installers of the binary can boot all game backups from both XBOX 360 and the original XBOX and also the original copies of both XBOX system games."

Step it up, man.

~g




RE: Typos
By Icehawk on 5/16/2006 10:12:02 AM , Rating: 2
Our country is BASED on the premise of fighting, and breaking, laws that you believe are unjust.


RE: Typos
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 5/16/2006 10:14:11 AM , Rating: 2
Sad but True.


By clementlim on 5/16/2006 6:04:00 AM , Rating: 2
Well, so does the hack work for imported games and/or pirated games? I think most people hack for those two reasons, not sure which is primary.




By Dev17 on 5/16/2006 6:16:17 AM , Rating: 2
I would be afraid that somehow people will be able to cheat on online play much like PC games now regardless of anti cheat technology. Where there a will theres a way and hackers always find a way. Will this be the case.


how about a real post
By IMPoor on 5/16/2006 5:42:46 PM , Rating: 2
Oh I love that we can ignore the piracy debate that people have already given EVERY reason for and Every reason against the first time around with the original playstation a decade ago, and agin with the PS2, and again with the original xbox, and probably every other predecessor to the xbox360. OK I get it. its illegal. And I should be able to create backups, boo hoo. I for one am for hacking the planet so good for the kids that hack the crap out of the xbox and every other device. I just want to know if it works and if anybody tried it with xboxlive yet. Plus I download porn.




ps3 rules
By freakyshiat on 5/16/06, Rating: -1
Who the hell is the author: Johnny Parker?
By SunAngel on 5/16/06, Rating: -1
RE: Who the hell is the author: Johnny Parker?
By igloo15 on 5/16/2006 10:33:29 AM , Rating: 2
Anandtech does not equal dailytech they are totally different places. Your the noob and get it right next time.


By shadowzz on 5/16/2006 1:39:49 PM , Rating: 5
He's not a noob, he's a troll that writes for THG. Check his comment history (record low by the way)

http://dailytech.com/CommentUser.aspx?user=204084

Odd that the dailytech is whooping the hell out of tgdaily. I used to be a diehard THG fan but after reading omid's blog and the countless "random prediction will happen in the gaming industry" articles I stopped.


RE: Who the hell is the author: Johnny Parker?
By Cygni on 5/16/2006 3:30:53 PM , Rating: 3
And MSN.com isnt Microsoft.com... they have totally different domains!

Give me a break. Reality is waving at you from the otherside of the river.


By doughnutwithapencil on 5/16/2006 4:12:57 PM , Rating: 2
you know what i hear-----
blah blah blah blah blah blah...............


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