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HP TouchPad
When first place just isn't enough...

HP has been dominating the computer market in shipments and market share for the past few years. The company is the largest computer shipper in the world and is far ahead of the second place company in the computer realm. In the world of HP, that apparently equates to better than number one. 

HP is trying to step into the tablet market with its new TouchPad tablet that runs WebOS. The TouchPad was announced back in February and it sounds interesting with a 9.7-inch screen and other goodies under the hood. Many are wondering at this point if there is enough room in the tablet market for another major OS. 

Apple is dominating the tablet market with the iPad, but HP seems to think there is a place for it not only at the top of the tablet market, but at a threshold even higher. 

HP's European head Eric Cador has bragged that the company will be emulating its success in the computer market in the tablet market and that HP's TouchPad will be "better than number one."

Cador said, "In the PC world, with fewer ways of differentiating HP’s products from our competitors, we became number one; in the tablet world we’re going to become better than number one. We call it number one plus."

For HP to release anything resembling “number one plus” it will need to draw developers to make apps for the WebOS platform very quickly and the apps will need to be first rate. If Android tablets have taught the tablet world anything, it is that consumers will not buy your offerings based on boasts and name recognition. HP has said in the past that apps that run on the web will be easily adapted to run on WebOS as well.

Cador added, "Only one company plays in both the consumer and business and world. We tend to talk about technologies. But the way the user is going to look at tablets means it’s about experience. The way the corporate is going to look at it is to say that its employees, who are also consumers, have got to like it and it’s got to be secure. We’re going to deliver that. Beyond that, it’s about marketing and branding."



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TouchPad?
By Reclaimer77 on 5/23/11, Rating: 0
RE: TouchPad?
By ApfDaMan on 5/23/2011 12:10:58 PM , Rating: 4
if it is "better than number one", the last thing people should be caring about is its name.


RE: TouchPad?
By Reclaimer77 on 5/23/2011 12:20:38 PM , Rating: 5
Marketing is one of the biggest reasons for the iPad's success. You cannot deny the importance of marketing in business. If it's "better than number one" and nobody knows it, or doesn't know what the product is called, then it doesn't matter how good it is.


RE: TouchPad?
By MeesterNid on 5/23/2011 12:37:01 PM , Rating: 2
I mean, right!? I think the only way they could've come up with a better name than "TouchPad" is if they called it a "Number Two".


RE: TouchPad?
By Taft12 on 5/23/11, Rating: 0
RE: TouchPad?
By lotharamious on 5/24/2011 4:45:36 PM , Rating: 2
Now who's gonna take over the world when I die...?


RE: TouchPad?
By theapparition on 5/23/2011 3:01:17 PM , Rating: 4
How about the HP Gruntmaster 4000.


RE: TouchPad?
By cjohnson2136 on 5/23/2011 3:33:44 PM , Rating: 2
Love the Dilbert reference


RE: TouchPad?
By callmeroy on 5/23/2011 4:04:25 PM , Rating: 2
HP SuperDuperTouchPad 9000


Huzzah!
By Motoman on 5/23/2011 11:52:38 AM , Rating: 2
We're number zero! We're number zero!




RE: Huzzah!
By ApfDaMan on 5/23/2011 12:07:49 PM , Rating: 2
better than number one? isnt that like division by zero?


RE: Huzzah!
By Omega215D on 5/23/2011 3:57:27 PM , Rating: 2
Because One is the loneliest number. Much worse than two.


RE: Huzzah!
By foolsgambit11 on 5/23/2011 8:40:09 PM , Rating: 2
But but but! Two can be as bad as one; it's the loneliest number since the number one.... ber.


RE: Huzzah!
By cfaalm on 5/23/2011 5:32:48 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, They are number one (Apple, cough), but we are number zero.


RE: Huzzah!
By justjc on 5/25/2011 4:00:35 PM , Rating: 2
Actually Leo Apotheker(HP CEO) told how he saw the situation in a recent CNN interview that can be found at http://money.cnn.com/video/technology/2011/04/13/c... ending with the following statements:

quote:
"Look, with all due respect to my friends at Apple, who do a great job. They invented the PC. And for a number of years they had this huge market share in PCs and then... the market shifted. Now we all know what the market share in PCs is today. It's a marathon, this is just the beginning."


Seems like a fair view on the situation in my opinion and if this indeed is still the beginning of a tablet era there is no reason why Apple should stay on the #1 spot.


Engineers...
By Micronite on 5/23/2011 1:10:44 PM , Rating: 2
C'mon, these guys are Engineers. Of course there is something better than number ONE it's number ZERO.




RE: Engineers...
By foolsgambit11 on 5/23/2011 8:41:00 PM , Rating: 2
For computer engineers, better than 1 is 10 - pronounced 'one-zero'.


RE: Engineers...
By Flunk on 5/24/2011 10:24:00 AM , Rating: 2
Actually 10 is properly pronounced two.


RE: Engineers...
By Motoman on 5/24/2011 11:03:10 AM , Rating: 2
There are 10 kinds of people in the world...those who can read binary, and those who can't.


RE: Engineers...
By lotharamious on 5/24/2011 4:46:20 PM , Rating: 2
Never gets old


doesn't matter
By Motoman on 5/23/2011 3:46:03 PM , Rating: 3
Ultimately, it doesn't matter what anyone else produces...you don't compete with Apple.

If Apple's product automatically fired photon torpedoes at passing kittens and puppies, spewed acid in your eyes at random intervals while looking at it, and automatically took and uploaded naked pictures of you to your FB page (and if you didn't have a FB page, would make one for you first)...and your product cured cancer, generated more power than it consumed, and laid golden eggs every hour on the hour, Apple would still crush you in the market.

...because you're product isn't Apple.




RE: doesn't matter
By icanhascpu on 5/26/2011 1:49:42 AM , Rating: 2
A lot of that is mainly due to the lack of business leading the way like Apple has been in its chosen sectors. Apple tried to get into the tablet market ages ago and failed due to people simply not being ready for it yet. Ask a doctor that used to use a Newton how he feels about that device. It was loved, but by too few.

There was years between then and now and no one could do it correctly. It wasn't about competition, so don't make it out to be. It is now, but that is after the fact. The people that arn't following, are leading, so don't blame Apple, Google, MS, Intel or any other leader for being at the top when most businesses are too scared to risk anything anymore.

Also, it's "your" not "you're" ..'product isn't Apple.'


What would it take to fly?
By Belard on 5/24/2011 11:04:01 AM , Rating: 2
WebOS, based off of PalmOS - but I'm is vastly different... should do pretty good. But as an Android and iPad owner, I see why Android fails as a tablet... and in some ways, as a phone.

#1 ) Proper product Support from the maker (Apple, Samsung, Motorola,etc)

This means timely and use-able updates. My NOV-2010 Samsung Android has YET to be updated sine the day I got it. Yet, Froyo has been out for a VERY long time. WTF?! Features and GPS functionality are fixed and improved. As a consumer, I'll have to ROOT the phone to get the Android update?

Its utter BS, its fail on Samsung, Google and AT&T. I don't care WHO specifically is to blame. Its a Google OS, on a Samsung built product sold by at&t.

I bought an iPad, I let it do its update out of the box. Great!

2 ) Functionality of the OS: Android 3.0 looks pretty good... getting there. But everything should be very easy to find and do.
I'll be honest, my iPad works easier than my Android phone.

3 ) Apps... its the quality, not so much the amount of apps. Since most Apple Apps costs money, they can afford to develop better apps.

4 ) Price. Apple is actually no more expensive than most Android (XOOM is expensive). But Apple's system is more profitable than Android tablet makers. :( ASUS Transformer has a good price at $400 and a sweat design.

HP may do good... its how they promote and properly make their tablet. If its anything like their PCs, I don't think it'll do well. ie: low quality avg hardware that is stuffed with ad-ware.

The TOUGHEST thing for all the competitors is to have a product that is equal to or better than the Apple iPad.

- hardware, nobody is better (they are not worse either).

- 3rd party hardware: Apples standard connector keeps all add-ons compatible. Not possible with Androids, the makers will use what ever connector and location they so choose.

- Apps: Nobody touches apple here. :(

- Price: Other than ASUS which makes good products or the cheap junk, nobody is beating them here either.

I bet, only NOKIA will be the Windows Tablet maker... but we're not sure how that is going to pan out. A desktop heavy Win8 OS or an upscaled Win7Phone OS?

Think an iPad3 will be in my future... :)

PS: I build and work on PCs, etc. Never ever bought an Apple product in my life (until the iPad-1 a month or so ago).

With games only being made for Playstations and Xbox for the most part. An AppleOS computer is looking attractive... except:
(A) I don't want an AIO Mac.
(B) I won't spend $2000+ for their desktop.

Sigh... they need to make a $500~800 small expandable single-CPU desktop. (ie: ability to put in 2-3 HDs)




RE: What would it take to fly?
By justjc on 5/25/2011 5:48:03 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry but I have to correct some of the worst wrongs in your post.

First of all WebOS is not based off PalmOS. The relation between the two is that early WebOS devices, prior to WebOS 2.0, had a Palm OS ROM installed to make the Classic app able to run PalmOS apps. WebOS is based on a Linux kernel.

Second there are actually Windows tablets, not from Nokia, on the market today. As an example HP have been selling the Windows 7 driven HP Slate 500 for around seven months.

Third there is no such thing as AppleOS and newer has been. Closest things are Apple DOS and Mac OS, the later being used on current Apple PCs in version 10(X).


informative post:
By wewter on 5/23/2011 1:54:56 PM , Rating: 3
http://www.precentral.net/why-touchpad-good-ctos-a...

interesting post -- changed the way I thought about the ipad and android.

(as a pre+ owner) I'm excited to see what ends up happening -- looks like webOS will have the polish right from the get-go.

I see the Touchpad bringing together the +'s of android into the conformity of a single package (ipad) but maintaining corporate relationships/balance in the dev process.

Oh, and I cannot wait to have PreWare on the touchpad :)




By StraightCashHomey on 5/23/2011 1:33:43 PM , Rating: 2
That means it's better than number one!

Mandelbaum, Mandelbaum, Mandelbaum!




And people think Apple has hubris
By Commodus on 5/23/2011 3:20:46 PM , Rating: 2
Golden rule: if you say you're going to be the best and topple the current number one, especially if that number one is Apple, that's a guarantee you're going to be relegated to the bottom.

HP will be thankful if it gets number three or four. Should be focusing on walking the walk before it talks the talk.




Apps
By Paj on 5/24/2011 7:49:15 AM , Rating: 2
It could have the sexiest OS in the world and run like a dream, but if the apps arent there, its going to sink big time.




This tablet goes to eleven!
By MADAOO7 on 5/23/2011 7:16:13 PM , Rating: 1
Really? One plus? Seems like he has been watching too much Spinal Tap.

Nigel Tufnel: The numbers all go to eleven. Look, right across the board, eleven, eleven, eleven and...
Marty DiBergi: Oh, I see. And most amps go up to ten?
Nigel Tufnel: Exactly.
Marty DiBergi: Does that mean it's louder? Is it any louder?
Nigel Tufnel: Well, it's one louder, isn't it? It's not ten. You see, most blokes, you know, will be playing at ten. You're on ten here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you're on ten on your guitar. Where can you go from there? Where?
Marty DiBergi: I don't know.
Nigel Tufnel: Nowhere. Exactly. What we do is, if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do?
Marty DiBergi: Put it up to eleven.
Nigel Tufnel: Eleven. Exactly. One louder.
Marty DiBergi: Why don't you just make ten louder and make ten be the top number and make that a little louder?
Nigel Tufnel: [pause] These go to eleven.




HP's nob goes up to 11
By Tony Swash on 5/24/2011 11:43:48 AM , Rating: 1
I actually spat my beer on the table when I read this story.

You can't make this shit up.




4:3?
By SiliconJon on 5/23/11, Rating: -1
RE: 4:3?
By Cheesetogo on 5/23/2011 12:57:47 PM , Rating: 3
4:3 makes far more sense for productivity. Do you write on "widescreen" paper? Read "widescreen" books? No, those things are much closer to a 4:3 ratio than 16:9. If you want a 16:9 tablet, buy one of the other half dozen that are already on the market. It's about time that someone besides Apple put one out.


RE: 4:3?
By Reclaimer77 on 5/23/2011 1:05:47 PM , Rating: 2
I agree. I have 10 things to watch media on, I don't also need a tablet to be 16:9 too.


RE: 4:3?
By drycrust3 on 5/23/2011 3:22:37 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I have 10 things to watch media on, ...

That is dangerous talk. Sure, You have ten things you can watch one or two forms of media on, but soon those marketing people will have you believing that 9 of those 10 are antiques and that to save money you just need to buy this "moderately priced" dohickey that lets you watch ALL media on. TV ... gone, cell phone ... gone, books ... gone, magazines ... gone, going out to the movies ... gone, street map ... gone, desktop PC ... gone, laptop ... gone, etc all gone, all replaced by the ????Pad.


RE: 4:3?
By SPOOFE on 5/23/2011 6:24:29 PM , Rating: 2
At one point in time movie studios were worried that television would stop people from going to the movies.

That was half a century ago.

I think your concerns are similarly unfounded. Edgar Rice Burroughs proved that multimedia works.


RE: 4:3?
By KoolAidMan1 on 5/24/2011 3:56:21 AM , Rating: 2
Exactly. 4:3 in a 10" display gives you more vertical desktop space to work with when using it in landscape mode, and it is better from a physical ergonomic standpoint as you demonstrated with your book and page examples.


RE: 4:3?
By icanhascpu on 5/26/2011 1:57:07 AM , Rating: 2
Actually 16:9 would make more sense for productivity. One way is much easier to read web paged and longer articles not to mention forums and 1000 other things. The other way allows more space for viewing documents and messing around in apps; games or productivity.

Im thinking its the way it is due to mass producing the screen and its costs.


RE: 4:3?
By Conner on 5/23/2011 1:12:10 PM , Rating: 1
I'm assuming that HP will be going for the mass market, not the niche...
If there's one thing HP knows how to do its shrinking profit margins and pushing competitors out of the market. You hear HP you think free printer, not high quality (your choice of product) available.


RE: 4:3?
By marvdmartian on 5/23/2011 3:36:29 PM , Rating: 1
I don't mind that, but I wish someone would consider coming out with a bigger sized screen tablet. Somewhere around 12 or 13 inches. Some of us old timers have a harder time reading off of those small screens!


RE: 4:3?
By Belard on 5/24/2011 10:35:18 AM , Rating: 1
Because wide-screen, especially extra wide-screen like todays 16:9 are too damn skinny.

The 4:3 1024x768 gives you more comfortable screen area when looking at websites and reading books. Even the ASUS Transformer and Eeepad are 1024x768. Their slightly smaller 8.9" tablet is 1024x600.

Watching video on an ipad is fine... but even with a 16:9 screen, there are still videos out there with black bars on top and bottom.

You want Widescreen? There are plenty of Android XOOMs and Samsungs out there with their wide screens. Huh? Actually, we and other people do use iPads for sales. They work very well... and I'm thrilled that they are NOT wide-screen.


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