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According to Net Applications, Windows 8/8.1 market share is half that of Windows XP

We reported back in January of this year that Hewlett-Packard wasn’t quite ready to put Windows 7, an operating system that first launched in 2009, on the back burner. Instead, the company actually promoted computers running Windows 7, stating that they were “Back by popular demand” and even offered up a $150 discount to purchase a machine featuring the operating system.
 
As the months have gone by, it looks as though the overall disdain for Windows 8 hasn’t subsided, and HP is still looking to appease customers that are not sold on Microsoft’s current generation operating system.
 
Re/code reports that HP sent out an email newsletter to customers this week alerting them that “Windows 7 PCs on sale, just in time for school.” In fact, if you go to the main shopping page for HP laptops and hybrids, Windows 7-based PCs are still getting top billing complete with banners ads and special promotions (like a $170 discount for buying a new laptop with Windows 7 preinstalled).

 
The lovefest continues with the revelation on HP’s site that two of its top three best-selling notebooks come preloaded with Windows 7.
 
According to the latest market share numbers from Net Applications, Windows 7 still commands just over 51 percent of the Windows OS market. Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 combined account for only 12.48 percent of the Windows OS market. Two years after its launch, Windows 8’s market share is still roughly half that of the 13-year-old Windows XP operating system.

Sources: Re/code, The Next Web, HP



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"Don't call it a comeback"
By retrospooty on 8/21/2014 10:05:31 AM , Rating: 2
It's been here for years. Win 7 is still growing it's marketshare while Win8 and 8.1 combined actually peaked and then shrank slightly over the past few months.

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-m...




RE: "Don't call it a comeback"
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 8/21/2014 10:28:08 AM , Rating: 3
Vista II


RE: "Don't call it a comeback"
By retrospooty on 8/21/2014 10:37:26 AM , Rating: 4
Vista II or ME III? Either way, its a commercial and public perception dud of a product.


RE: "Don't call it a comeback"
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 8/21/2014 11:30:40 AM , Rating: 2
We do not speak the letters M or E around here. Vista, I actually didn't mind that operating system that much.

But ME, goodness. What were they thinking????????????


RE: "Don't call it a comeback"
By drlumen on 8/21/2014 2:12:45 PM , Rating: 2
"But ME, goodness. What were they thinking????????????"

As a subtle reminder... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.


RE: "Don't call it a comeback"
By Samus on 8/21/2014 4:16:16 PM , Rating: 1
I agree. Vista got really bad press because OEM's loaded it on underspec hardware. If you had 4GB of RAM and a 7200RPM hard disk, Vista was totally fine. A laptop with 2GB RAM and a 5400RPM hard disk left a lot to be desired though...then there were the driver issues because manufacturers like HP didn't have printer drivers ready.

In some cases I remember seeing Vista "Basic" loaded on machines with 1GB of RAM. That might have worked in Windows XP but Vista was NOT 1GB RAM friendly in the same way Windows95 wasn't 4MB RAM friendly (Win95 pushed the adoption of 8MB RAM to become standard in 1996)

Comparing Win8 to Vista is really an Apples to Oranges comparison. Vista didn't have an interface problem (it looked very similar to XP, with a similar start menu.) Vista's problems were, like I said, performance and compatibility related.


RE: "Don't call it a comeback"
By retrospooty on 8/21/2014 4:23:40 PM , Rating: 2
"If you had 4GB of RAM and a 7200RPM hard disk, Waited for Vista SP1 and didn't have any components with driver issues, and you turned off superfetch, Vista was totally fine"

FTFY ;)


RE: "Don't call it a comeback"
By Alexvrb on 8/21/2014 9:47:14 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah major driver problems (especially for graphics and sound cards) accounted for something like half of the problems at launch. As for RAM? Well it depends what you did with it and what features you enabled or disabled...

Frankly I don't consider Win 8.1 to be that bad. The UI is fine for touch devices and doesn't require much tweaking to be fine for traditional desktop use. It's worth it to get all the under the hood improvements, if you're buying/building a new machine. Now, if you already own Win7 there's no reason to upgrade - but that's more of a testament to how good Win7 is (and that is in no small part due to MS's continued support).


RE: "Don't call it a comeback"
By Jedi2155 on 8/22/2014 5:35:04 AM , Rating: 2
I saw many budget "Vista" machines that were loaded with only 1 GB (I might've even seen 512 MB.....)

Guess what market sells the largest number of units? That's right, the budget segment. Obviously you're going to have issues with public perception if your largest market share is getting the the worse possible experience....


RE: "Don't call it a comeback"
By HangFire on 8/22/2014 12:39:06 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Vista got really bad press because OEM's loaded it on underspec hardware.


We still have an old Vista laptop in the household and it became perfectly usable after 3 things happened: I upgraded it from Sempron to dual core Athlon, I upgraded it from 1GB to 2GB, and SP1 was released. So I agree with you as far as sub-spec h/w goes, but there's more to the story, much more.

quote:
Comparing Win8 to Vista is really an Apples to Oranges comparison. Vista didn't have an interface problem (it looked very similar to XP, with a similar start menu.) Vista's problems were, like I said, performance and compatibility related.


Vista pre-SP1 had a huge usability problems.

First of all it constantly popped-under UAC windows, hiding them beneath the current application, and users were left waiting for Vista while Vista was waiting for them. To fix this most users tuned down UAC, and eventually everyone learned to check the task bar for a glowing UAC icon.

Second, while it was technically faster than XP (say, finishing a job in 30 seconds versus 31 for XP), it was less user responsive, often leaving the user to wait 3-5 seconds before giving any response to a double click. (And no, that wasn't just on slow H/W). This problem was compounded by users fast enough to double click again before receiving an indication from the first launch.

Third there was the usual new Windows learning curve of pointless repositioning and renaming, for example elements of Control Panel.

Issues One or Three alone the users may have been taken in stride, but bad launch response was unforgivable, and the combination of all 3 made Vista a very frustrating transition for the average XP user.


RE: "Don't call it a comeback"
By SatchBoogie1 on 8/23/2014 6:05:28 PM , Rating: 2
Vista 64-bit. lol


RE: "Don't call it a comeback"
By therealnickdanger on 8/21/2014 11:32:17 AM , Rating: 2
Remember this bait and switch from April?
http://youtu.be/vGf4ZScmxnY

"We're bringing the Start Menu back to Windows 8.1 in an update!"

"JKLOL, the future update is Windows 9!"

I don't blame them. Windows 8 has been a marketing disaster. If only to appease the masses, they have to call it Windows 9 even if it is just an update.


RE: "Don't call it a comeback"
By retrospooty on 8/21/2014 11:44:59 AM , Rating: 2
"Remember this bait and switch from April?
http://youtu.be/vGf4ZScmxnY

"We're bringing the Start Menu back to Windows 8.1 in an update!"

"JKLOL, the future update is Windows 9!"


I do. I was totally lookign forward to it, until they pulled it.


By Dr. Kenneth Noisewater on 8/21/2014 12:46:48 PM , Rating: 2
No Me Vista!!


RE: "Don't call it a comeback"
By KiwiTT on 8/21/2014 2:59:52 PM , Rating: 1
Actually I think the real reason Windows 8/8.1 failed is because iPads, etc., have been growing at expense of new laptops


RE: "Don't call it a comeback"
By bug77 on 8/22/2014 7:39:53 AM , Rating: 2
It failed because it was only about "how do we get to squeeze developers for cash, the same way others do? oh yes, let's go all in with Metro". There wasn't even a hint of consideration for what users may actually want/need from a primarily desktop OS.


RE: "Don't call it a comeback"
By jmarchel on 8/22/2014 11:08:45 AM , Rating: 2
To be fair, most of the users do not care if developers are squeezed or not. Just look at the iPad success. We were lucky that the interface M$ developed in order to squeeze $$$$$ from developers was ridiculous on large screen PC and hated by most customers. With Windows 9 and windowed Metro apps they try to reinvent the rip off scheme and this time they might succeed. All they have to do is to keep improving Metro frameworks and neglect classic desktop. Classic desktop is already ignored big time. Windows Forms and WPF are left with no further development and MFC is hopelessly outdated. The only UI progress is now on Metro side where you can even have native .NET app. Pretty soon it will be far easier to develop for Metro even if you plan to run it in mainly on the PC desktop in window mode. For now they will attract developers providing free Visual Studio Express and low cost or no cost for developer license and place at the store. Until they reach large market share of course. Then the squeeze $$$$$$ prices will magically show up.


RE: "Don't call it a comeback"
By bug77 on 8/22/2014 11:19:00 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
All they have to do is to keep improving Metro frameworks and neglect classic desktop.


And that's exactly what they'll do. As long as we end up with a better platform, that's ok.
But squeezing developers for cash will kill small developers/hobbyists that just want to share small utilities of maybe a catchy game with the world every now and then. Everything will become non-free or ad supported instead.


RE: "Don't call it a comeback"
By Mitch101 on 8/21/2014 10:30:23 AM , Rating: 2
Before this turns into a hate war on Windows 8 Start Menu.

That makes sense. Anyone not wanting to give up XP would probably go to Windows 7 on top of that a lot would avoid 8.1 because of all the negativity around 8. The funny part is I think a lot of people will feel the same about giving up Windows 7 when that reaches end of support. Keep in mind Windows 7 will no longer get enhancements that Windows 8/9 will like Direct X12 but most people wont care about that. Windows 7 really is the next XP over my cold dead fingers.

Chalk it up to experience Microsoft should have offered a classic view option and hopefully they realize that and offer it in future versions of Windows/Office etc. Doubtful but thats opportunity for someone else to make a few bucks on an add on that restores the old menu.

My favorite feature of Windows 8.1 is the built in ISO mount so long overdue but easily remedied in 7 with a free ISO mount option or extracting an ISO using 7-zip. But I like being able to just right click mount and when done eject and it goes away.

Personally looking forward to Windows 9 and finally better CPU optimizations/scheduling/offloading bottlenecks.


RE: "Don't call it a comeback"
By retrospooty on 8/21/2014 10:36:13 AM , Rating: 2
"Before this turns into a hate war on Windows 8 Start Menu"

All that is just people posting their opinions... The real "tell" is the free market and as the #'s show, the free market has decided Win8 is a megafail.

"Chalk it up to experience Microsoft should have offered a classic view option and hopefully they realize that and offer it in future versions of Windows/Office etc."

Yup. That is exactly why it's a fail. Hopefully they do learn from it. Historically, MS does learn from these things, but then unlearns it as fast as they learn. LOL.


RE: "Don't call it a comeback"
By Mitch101 on 8/21/2014 10:54:21 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yup. That is exactly why it's a fail. Hopefully they do learn from it. Historically, MS does learn from these things, but then unlearns it as fast as they learn. LOL.

Sad but true.

I'm just wondering where they can go with Windows 9 that would get people excited to upgrade. With all the people happy with XP it kind of shows that there isn't much more that most people want out of their OS to be enticed into upgrading. There isnt that killer app or functionality that people believe they can live without or get from some third party plugin. Im excited for what the underlying bare metal enhancements and improved scheduler will bring but 99% of the people out there wont care.

Because of stagnation if Chrome learns to get away from webapps because most people don't want the cloud I can see it gaining more traction.

That was always Linux issue is they never made it simple enough for the average user. Linux always assumed the average user should learn more about their computer which was simply not the case.


RE: "Don't call it a comeback"
By wifiwolf on 8/24/2014 8:32:24 PM , Rating: 2
Sometimes people get excited when the operating system does not change it's interface and does not create a false need to learn new ways of doing something you have been doing for many years already and you do it very productively. If not the OS, look at skype, I loved skype at first - very reliable, good sound quality, low bandwidth. Now every update it's less in any of those categories. I stopped updating and now microsoft wouldn't let me use it forcing me to update, and sadly it is even worse than I imagined. About linux assuming users need to know more about how computers work, yes that's exactly how it should be. If anyone wants something that works out of the box, there are other choices. You can only get the real benefits out of a system like linux if you like this kind of knowledge anyway. It may look like I disapprove your opinion, as I'm mostly in agreement but these are facts.


RE: "Don't call it a comeback"
By HoosierEngineer5 on 8/21/2014 10:46:07 AM , Rating: 3
I've been using Windows 7 exclusively (all day long at work, and at home) for several years.

I still like XP better from a user-interface standpoint. Maybe I am not unique?


RE: "Don't call it a comeback"
By Mitch101 on 8/21/2014 11:11:40 AM , Rating: 2
Nah with so many people that refused to upgrade you aren't alone its understandable especially since your familiar with where everything is located. I loved XP and Vista was a memory pig till they fixed it in a later version. Also had really poor driver support at launch if you could get drivers. Vista is more Windows 7 than anything else now but might as well go to Windows 7 if you must.

Im looking at using XP for my Virtual Pinball machine build but Im thinking I might make it a Media Center so when its not pinball time its recording TV shows through my HD Homerun then I can stream through the X-Box's. Seriously considering cutting the cord on Satellite next year when the contract is up.

The least path of resistance would be Windows 7 at least you will break the 4gb barrier which is why I upgraded to Windows 7. I didnt find running XP64 worth while.


RE: "Don't call it a comeback"
By HoosierEngineer5 on 8/21/2014 1:21:50 PM , Rating: 2
I have been using PCs for recording over-the-air television since they first converted from NTSC to ATSC. At about 5-1/2 years, at $30 a month, I have saved nearly $2,000.00. That easily paid for a tuner card and SageTV (they were the first to properly support an electronic program guide in my area). Too bad Google swallowed them up without a trace.


RE: "Don't call it a comeback"
By Mitch101 on 8/21/2014 3:04:45 PM , Rating: 2
I envy you and hope to join you soon.

Its costing me more than $30.00 a month and when you tack on receiver charges and dvr charges and HD feed it adds up even if I re-negotiate the only real way is to cut the cord.


By HoosierEngineer5 on 8/21/2014 1:25:42 PM , Rating: 2
Also, Windows 7 fights me when I go to re-arrange and re-size windows. Plus, it keeps rearranging my task bar. Some items end up in an Internet Explorer group, some as a .PDF. I am continually trying to find where they are hidden. Never a problem with XP.


RE: "Don't call it a comeback"
By Dorkyman on 8/21/2014 11:54:19 AM , Rating: 2
You're not unique. I think about half the world runs XP and sees no reason to jump on the MS bandwagon every couple of years.

Same here. All our systems are STILL on XP and run fine.


RE: "Don't call it a comeback"
By Chriz on 8/21/2014 11:13:46 PM , Rating: 1
I agree with you. In my opinion, Windows XP was the 'holy grail' of user interfaces. I still switched to Windows 7 because everything else about it was better and the interface still functioned mostly the same. Most of the 'bad' things about the Win7 UI were default settings that could be changed, but I think there were some things that couldn't. Just can't remember what right now.


RE: "Don't call it a comeback"
By HangFire on 8/22/2014 12:46:32 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Before this turns into a hate war on Windows 8 Start Menu.


Too late. :)

It's not just users whining.

With each previous release of Windows, Microsoft has tossed some small percentage of existing user's knowledge and conveyed the rest.

With Windows 8, that percentage of discarded knowledge was much, much larger, and users that "knew what to do" for a decade were forced into the "easy to learn/hard to use" paradigm of relearning. They didn't want to relearn. Many had been using Windows since XP. They just wanted to use.

What was the target market of this new, easy to learn Windows paradigm that was rewarded no existing Windows user? iPad-only users? Children? That tiny percentage of adults that had never used a computer before?

Microsoft cavalierly threw away a huge body of user know-how. Thus, the hate.


The ad is misleading.
By Arkive on 8/21/2014 12:17:13 PM , Rating: 2
Only one of the laptops has a $170 discount. The rest of them taper down from there, with even as little as a $50 discount. Still good, but hardly the "$170 off laptops with Win7" that this reads as.




RE: The ad is misleading.
By Nekrik on 8/21/2014 12:33:52 PM , Rating: 2
It says "Instantly save up to $170 on a new laptop PC with Windows 7". Immediately under that is the graphic and copy for the ENVY 15t-j100 laptop that is marked down $170.

What part is misleading?


RE: The ad is misleading.
By Arkive on 8/21/2014 4:14:46 PM , Rating: 2
Because they have a bunch of laptops but that is the *only* model laptop with that discount. Did you even read my comment, or just the subject?


RE: The ad is misleading.
By Nekrik on 8/21/2014 4:47:45 PM , Rating: 2
Seems you're being a bit nit-picky, you expect every advertisement to itemize each price point and related sale amount per item? When Sears has a discount on Craftsmen tools they will also advertise 'up to %40 off' or 'up to $100 off' select items, it's really a common practice with every retailer/manufacturer in the country. If it's a battle you think is worth taking on then more power to you, most individuals would have no problem understanding what they are being presented with.

Regardless, it's a silly point, hence my response. Engage in it more if you like.


RE: The ad is misleading.
By snhoj on 8/24/2014 9:28:27 PM , Rating: 2
I've never really liked the use of "up to" in informative sales ads. Any item I might be interested in will probably be at some value point and somewhere down the discount scale making any discount stated after "up to" inapplicable and hence meaningless. Zero is also on the scale of "up to". So what have they really told you? I think the hope is that the reader will either be lazy or short of time and their mind will abbreviate the phrase and they will think discounts are better than they are. It’s a bit like the prices that are 1 cent short of a round number like $99.99. It's not misleading in that all the information is there clearly displayed but in the mind of many that is less than one hundred dollars not one hundred dollars with a rounding error. It doesn't make me feel good doing business with someone knowing they have lined things up in the hope that I or someone else will make a mistake in our reasoning to their advantage. It pushes things right up to the line without stepping over it. To me it say's if there weren't legal consequences for doing so this guy would be lying to me.


Basically...
By damianrobertjones on 8/21/2014 11:41:14 AM , Rating: 2
...Our sales are nowhere near Lenovo so we must try ANYTHING and everything to get rid of stock before the next CPU refresh.




By Cakemeister on 8/22/2014 9:17:49 AM , Rating: 2
I have a dv6 laptop. It uses custom drivers. When I tried installing Windows 8.1 on it, guess what? No drivers available.

Lesson learned. I will not be buying any more HP laptops.




Vista
By p05esto on 8/24/2014 10:28:16 PM , Rating: 2
Stop mocking Vista. I loved Vista SP2, not a single issue, ran great for me, loved the UI (same as Win7 basically). Only mellons that tried to upgrade 4 yr old computers with old scanners and junk had problems (all driver issues for the most part). Win8 though? CAN SUCK IT.




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