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HP fears no tablet

When Microsoft announced that it was getting into the first-party hardware market with its own line of tablets, it left a lot of Microsoft partners in the PC industry unhappy. One of the most vocal was Acer, which was clearly unhappy with having to compete directly against Microsoft in the tablet market.

Chairman and chief executive of Acer, JT Wang, said in an interview not long after Surface was announced, "We have said [to Microsoft] think it over.  Think twice. It will create a huge negative impact for the ecosystem and other brands may take a negative reaction. It is not something you are good at so please think twice."

While Acer is clearly unhappy with having to compete against the Surface RT tablet and other Microsoft tablets, other computer manufacturers don't seem to mind at all. Lenovo for instance hasn't had an issue at all in competing with Surface on the market today.
On the other hand, HP’s PC business chief Todd Bradley took a few shots at Surface in an interview with IDG Enterprise. "I'd hardly call Surface competition," said Bradley. "[It has] very limited distribution. It tends to be slow and a little kludgey as you use it .... It's expensive. Holistically, the press has made a bigger deal out of Surface than what the world has chosen to believe."

HP executive John Solomon took a more diplomatic approaching, stating, "I believe Microsoft was basically making a leadership statement and showing what's possible in the tablet space. Our relationship has not changed at all due to Microsoft's announcement. In fact, I applaud it -- I think it's great that they are getting out in front and [showing] what's possible."

Solomon added, “We will be very focused on the commercial tablet opportunity, which is completely under-penetrated. And, we have some unique intellectual property that we’re going to apply.”

Sources: The Verge, AllThingsD

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Slow and a little kludgey...
By Motoman on 11/15/2012 12:37:40 PM , Rating: 5
...that's funny - that's how I tend to think of Apple consumers.

RE: Slow and a little kludgey...
By Cheesew1z69 on 11/15/2012 12:41:38 PM , Rating: 2
You did it now... just wait..

RE: Slow and a little kludgey...
By kleinma on 11/15/2012 1:12:17 PM , Rating: 3
No, no, no. That is only if you have last years model of Apple computers. Don't you know that this years model is twice as good, but of course only half as good as next years model.

Just think of it like a subscription fee of $1800/year to have whatever they think is best for your computing needs.

RE: Slow and a little kludgey...
By Motoman on 11/15/2012 1:31:12 PM , Rating: 2
And remember that this new iFone is the "best iFone ever!" Because we thought about releasing a new iFone that only did half as much as the last iFone, but then changed our minds.

Not that it would have made any difference in sales volume.

RE: Slow and a little kludgey...
By Solandri on 11/15/2012 2:28:30 PM , Rating: 4
No, no, no. That is only if you have last years model of Apple computers. Don't you know that this years model is twice as good, but of course only half as good as next years model.

The thing is, it's really, really hard to tell last year's model Macbook from this year's model. They're all called Macbook (or Macbook Pro), look nearly identical, and Apple does a great job hiding the model numbers both on the laptop (you have to remove the battery) and on their website (Wikipedia is more useful).

That's the reason they hold their value so well - a lot of computer illiterate people in the market for them who can't tell apart a current model from one 3 years old. My cousin called me asking for some help buying a Macbook from his school's store. He had found one they'd marked down to $800 (from $1100), but wanted to be sure it was a good buy. The store wouldn't let him remove the battery to see the model number, so he had to read me the advertised specs (GHz, RAM, disk space, and ports) and I had to go try to match them to a model. It turned out to be a 3-year old model. A Core 2 Duo when the current gen had Sandy Bridge.

I'm sure some marketer will spout something about image consistency and providing a uniform user experience, and the droves of fans will unwittingly agree. I call it taking advantage of people buying outside their comfort zone to rip them off by hiding depreciated components from them.

RE: Slow and a little kludgey...
By NellyFromMA on 11/16/2012 2:12:07 PM , Rating: 2
Basically that is every SaaS going forward.

RE: Slow and a little kludgey...
By seathink on 11/15/2012 8:51:37 PM , Rating: 2
Hey, if you have to wrap your superiority complex lips around something, it might as well be the Microsoft Surface, right? I'm sure you're a smart consumer!

Put up or shut up.
By Flunk on 11/15/2012 10:18:37 AM , Rating: 5
If HP things they can do better, I suggest they stop talking and just do it. It's easy to say things, but performing is another thing entirely.

When did HP ever have a compelling tablet offering?

RE: Put up or shut up.
By DanNeely on 11/15/2012 10:52:57 AM , Rating: 5
When they firesaled Touchpads for $100.

RE: Put up or shut up.
By Mitch101 on 11/15/2012 12:04:44 PM , Rating: 1
They going to learn to turn down logging this time before they leave the factory?

Got a slow HP TouchPad? Here are 3 easy ways to speed it up

RE: Put up or shut up.
By CZroe on 11/15/2012 11:51:48 AM , Rating: 2
They're talking about their own Windows 8 offerings.

RE: Put up or shut up.
By othercents on 11/15/2012 1:10:51 PM , Rating: 2
They don't have a Windows 8 Tablet and we already know there is some sacrifice running RT. Now the question is if someone will come out with a iCore Tablet at the same price point.

RE: Put up or shut up.
By CZroe on 11/15/2012 9:57:30 PM , Rating: 2
Did I need to specify FUTURE?

RE: Put up or shut up.
By NellyFromMA on 11/16/2012 2:10:45 PM , Rating: 2
Didn't HP already abyssmally fail in the tablet space? I guess his point is "takes one to know one" or something?

Naturally, the next stage in the conversation is "sticks and stones can break my bones but my tablets will never take off - unless they are driven by Win 8 Pro".

By dgingerich on 11/15/2012 11:36:50 AM , Rating: 5 opposed to HP products, which as so sleek, streamlined, and so speedy.


The HP retail products I'd dealt with are more "kludgey" and "slow" than any of their competitors. They seem to have decided that slow hard drives, glossy screens, lack of discrete video, and odd, slow performing memory configs are what people want. Their retail products are horrible, and supported equally horrible.

Now, their business lines are much better, and better supported. Given that they're business machines, the integrated video makes more sense. They have some credibility there, but not enough to offset the horrible retail products.

HP should be the last company saying that anyone else's products are "slow and kludgey."

RE: ...yeah...
By Mint on 11/15/2012 6:11:34 PM , Rating: 2
Speaking of business lines, the Surface Pro is what HP should be fearing. All the things keeping business adoption of the iPad slow are exactly what MS (and Win8 tablets in general, to be fair) is addressing.

RE: ...yeah...
By fredgiblet on 11/17/2012 6:58:20 PM , Rating: 2
Exaclty. I showed mine to my dad and he instantly starting talking about using one at work. He'll probably be buying one when he gets his Christmas bonus.

He's right about one thing.
By lightfoot on 11/15/2012 11:31:07 AM , Rating: 2
"I'd hardly call Surface competition," said Bradley. "[It has] very limited distribution. It tends to be slow and a little kludgey as you use it .... It's expensive. Holistically, the press has made a bigger deal out of Surface than what the world has chosen to believe."

The slow kludgey Surface device beats the hell out of any HP product I've ever used. So he's right. The Surface isn't competition to HP. For it to be competition, HP would need a device that could compete with it.

RE: He's right about one thing.
By jimbojimbo on 11/15/2012 3:12:08 PM , Rating: 2
I have yet to see either device in person so I think they're both having problems.

RE: He's right about one thing.
By drycrust3 on 11/16/2012 1:18:42 AM , Rating: 2
For it to be competition, HP would need a device that could compete with it.

The problem isn't so much that HP don't have any comparable product, but that their Board of Directors don't want them to have any comparable product. Bradley can say what he likes, the simple fact is the Directors don't want HP to make tablets.

RE: He's right about one thing.
By NellyFromMA on 11/16/2012 2:15:55 PM , Rating: 2
How can that even be true? HP currently does make enterprise tablets unless I am mistaken. If not, they are going to be any time now.

It's not a 1st party OS offering, its W8Pro but that doesn't mean they don't have tablets for sale or that their Board of Director's doesn't want them to have one.

Frankly, their realizing that their WebOS offering wasn't competitive and wouldn't be in the long wrong was about the only worthwhile decision they've ever made.

Now they are only 99% incompetent instead of 100%.

By JKflipflop98 on 11/15/2012 12:18:57 PM , Rating: 3
Am I the only one that hates buzzwords? Like "Holistic" seems to be the new trend of the day.

The second I see or hear someone use that word, I immediately think "this guy is a me-too lemming imbecile".

RE: Buzzwords!
By ClownPuncher on 11/15/2012 12:53:20 PM , Rating: 2
I've never heard an exec speak like they knew what it was they were talking about, besides people like Gates and Newell.

RE: Buzzwords!
By jimbojimbo on 11/15/2012 3:11:08 PM , Rating: 2
Green. Carbon neutral. I hate those.

Ok then
By nerdboy on 11/15/2012 10:02:05 AM , Rating: 3
So he dosn't like the surface that's okay he can always go back to using his HP touchpad.

RE: Ok then
By zephyrprime on 11/15/2012 11:42:13 AM , Rating: 2
except...he can't! bada bing!

At least he thinks...
By elderwilson on 11/15/2012 11:00:52 AM , Rating: 2
At least he thinks the Surface is expensive. Hopefully that hints that HP will come out with something more competitively priced.

RE: At least he thinks...
By NellyFromMA on 11/16/2012 2:17:18 PM , Rating: 2
LOL, don't bet on it! That's why they are not going after the consumer market, because enterprises will pay premiums, consumers are much more noisy and fickle lately despite the fact they buy inferior products for equal or more money.

By zlandar on 11/15/2012 12:56:14 PM , Rating: 2
Has the HP twit looked at the CrapPad HP produced?

The fat-ass tablet that sucked so bad the plugged was pulled right after launch?

By kleinma on 11/15/2012 1:09:52 PM , Rating: 2
HP Doesn't Fear Microsoft's Surface Tablet, Calls it "Slow and a Little Kludgey"

Sure they have nothing to fear, "slow and kludgey" HP can do like a boss. Touchpads anyone?

sad story...
By crispbp04 on 11/15/2012 1:49:09 PM , Rating: 2
"I can't wait to pick up that new HP computer"
-said no one ever

The common theme for garbage hardware manufacturers like hp and acer is that they cry foul when priced out of the market by quality engineering. Any company that complains about the Surface does so because they don't have the know-how to put together a quality product like the ipad or surface.

ASUS and Lenovo are two exemplary companies that seem to also be putting out quality hardware in the PC space, and you don't hear them complaining about surface.

By Pirks on 11/15/2012 2:17:05 PM , Rating: 2
I also love to watch nervous reaction of Tony and his hasty searches for any pro-Apple blogger posts trying to nitpick on any Surface issue however minor could it be. This nervous reaction of Tony tells me how much smarter Ballmer is than we all think.

Hi Tech Play Offs '13
By Jnaneshwar on 11/15/2012 3:05:41 PM , Rating: 2
Lenovo, or rather IBM the grandfather of computing
is still stuck in their outmoded business approach to
today’s public consumer. Customer service at its worse.

HP remains struggling and confused.

So the super bowl lineup for 2013 will undoubtley be
between Samsung Note 2 both phone & tablet and you guessed it
Asus PadPhone 2 and its Tai Chi! Good luck to both of them.

The unexpected looser Apple - do you remember the “I” thing?


By zaaf on 11/15/2012 7:45:01 PM , Rating: 2
I don't know why you guys are all huffy... every time I see the HP girl smiling, I have to smile back. Makes the dumb HP execs not seem so bad. Maybe it's just me?

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