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HP has made the bizarre decision to try to forfeit its position as the world's largest PC maker.  (Source: AP)

New CEO Léo Apotheker is trying yet again to outdo IBM and Oracle, something he failed at with his previous employer.  (Source: Reuters)

HP killed its webOS TouchPad tablet after only a month on the market.  (Source: HP)
"I didn't know there was such a thing as corporate suicide, but now we know that there is."

Tom Perkins knows a thing or two about Hewlett-Packard Comp. (HPQ).  Mr. Perkins worked as the head of research at HP and served three years on the company's board of directors, including serving as the board's director in 2006.  Despite resigning from that position as an ethical protest against the company's decision to spy on the phone records of his fellow board members to ferret out leaks to journalists (Mr. Perkins was never implicated in these leaks, but was upset about what he felt were unethical tactics by HP), he has remained very interested in the company.

I. HP's Baffling Direction

When it comes to new CEO Léo Apotheker plan to exit the consumer electronics market [
1][2], he's unequivocal -- "I didn't know there was such a thing as corporate suicide, but now we know that there is.  It's just astonishing."

HP's stock has sunk approximately 44 percent since July 2011.

Other electronics industry figures share Mr. Perkins' dismay at HP's implosion.  Comments one executive to The New York Times, "H.P. was the epicenter of Silicon Valley, geographically, culturally and historically. Is there any analogy for an institution so respected that has fallen so far so fast? I can’t think of one."

The electronics giant's decision to pick Mr. Apotheker 
baffled many as he had virtually no hardware experience.  Further, while CEO at German enterprise software giant SAP AG (ETR:SAP) his company was implicated in a plot to steal Oracle Corp.'s (ORCL) software, which ended up costing it $1.3B USD.  To make matters worse, under his tenure SAP failed to gain ground in the enterprise software market on International Business Machines, Inc. (IBM) and Oracle -- in fact, SAP had dropped him for this.

More amazing than his appointment, though, has been the willingness of the board and fellow executives to support Mr. Apotheker in retrying the same tactic that failed him at SAP -- an all-out push into enterprise software in an attempt to rival Oracle and IBM.

It's somewhat understandable why the board might back such a plan.  The enterprise software market has much higher profit margins than HP's consumer hardware market, and HP already has a decent foothold in this tempting marketplace.  But as Mr. Apotheker's own history shows, gaining market share in the cutthroat realm of business software sounds a lot easier on paper than it is in practice.

The board's willingness is even easier to understand, however, when you consider that Mr. Apotheker supervised a committee to appoint five new board members, a move that was blasted by the shareholder watchdog group Institutional Shareholder Services.  (Mr. Apotheker serves as director of HP's 14-member board.

II. Company Looks to Quit What It's Best At

While the friendly board has his back, analysts and fellow executives are appalled at 
HP's enormous bid for enterprise software firm Autonomy Corporation Plc. (LON:AU).  HP is offering $11.7B USD -- 11 times the Autonomy's annual revenue.  An executive comments, "Autonomy had been shopped everywhere. No one would pay 11 times revenue.""

A. M. Sacconaghi Jr., Bernstein Research’s senior analyst, commented, "It's a fantastically high price. It’s a very poor capital allocation decision. From our perspective, it's value-destroying."

HP's decision to kill its TouchPad project after only a month on the market and to ditch its steady consumer PC base -- which is 
number one in global and U.S. sales -- prompted an inglorious comparison from one executive.  They remark, "It was as if Alan Mulally left Boeing to join Ford as C.E.O., and announced six months later that Ford would be making airplane." (Instead, Mr. Mulally -- CEO of Boeing from 2001-2006 -- stuck with Ford's expertise -- making automobiles.)

III. Downhill Slide Started With Mark Hurd's Exit

The wild ride for HP began in 2010 when CEO Mark Hurd, a respected leader, was caught allegedly obfuscating from the board 
a relationship with a contractor (who happened to be a former adult actress to boot) and the ensuing sexual harassment suit.  Despite his steady performance at HP, the board wasted no time in giving Mr. Hurd the boot.  People close to the decision recall one board member telling Mr. Hurd, "We don’t need you."

Two board members actively resisted the ouster, but were overruled.  They resigned in protest.

Meanwhile Mr. Hurd 
jumped shipped to Oracle, which was headed by his long-time friend Larry Ellison.  Serving as one of two co-presidents, Mr. Hurd now appears to have a bright future at the wildly successful enterprise computing giant.

Mr. Ellison admonished HP for letting their veteran leader go, stating, "The H.P. board just made the worst personnel decision since the idiots on the Apple board fired Steve Jobs many years ago. That decision nearly destroyed Apple and would have if Steve hadn’t come back and saved them."

The statement, which at the time was dismissed as simply more brash remarks from the outspoken CEO, now seems somewhat prophetic.  

Some hold out hope that HP will see the light and decline dropping its "slow-growth"/"low margin" businesses.  States Mr. Sacconaghi, "[HP is] not rotten at the core. It's in a series of businesses with strong competitive positions albeit in slow-growth markets. It's the single cheapest technology stock in the S.& P. 500. At some point something has to go right: improved performance, successful spinouts or a change in leadership."

In other words HP may be near the edge, but it hasn't driven off quite yet.



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Dammit!
By quiksilvr on 8/29/2011 5:16:35 PM , Rating: 3
And their Probooks/Elitebooks/ENVYs are arguably the best laptops in the market (with the exception of the Vaio Z)




RE: Dammit!
By nikon133 on 8/29/2011 7:03:06 PM , Rating: 5
Agree.

Getting rid of Hurd was huge mistake... but taking in previously sacked guy with very poor results and no experience in computer hardware?

It really looks like some very shady enterprise. Also overpaying that software company? First thing that run through my mind was just how much of that money will return to "Pharmacist" guy and his jolly board mates?


RE: Dammit!
By Samus on 8/29/2011 7:10:39 PM , Rating: 1
The irony is that HP actually does make as good or better hardware than most of the competition these days. They clearly want to sell their business for premium yaun while it is riding the high note.

Lenovo has disgraced the ThinkPad name, even the high-end have chronic quality control problems. Just search for T400/T500 USB ports breaking, or the X201 LCD screen failures. Those problems never existed under IBM's reign. I know, because I STILL have an X40 with an SSD running Windows 7. It was manufactured in 2001 and the only failure was the hard disk after 7 years!

Any frankly everyone else, Acer, Toshiba, even Dell, have failed to offer reliable mainstream devices over the years.

Axing Mark Hurd was the beginning of corporate suicide. Axing the TouchPad, stabbing Palm in the back, and selling your thriving PC business to the Chinese (we all know thats where this is going) are just a few of the many nails in the coffin.


RE: Dammit!
By tastyratz on 8/30/2011 9:53:24 AM , Rating: 3
hp does NOT make as good or better hardware these days. They in fact make WORSE hardware. I am not going off opinion, but by the square trade laptop reliability report based on returns vs warranties issued
Read for yourself
http://www.squaretrade.com/htm/pdf/SquareTrade_lap...


RE: Dammit!
By atlmann10 on 8/30/2011 10:05:43 AM , Rating: 2
The funny thing is that the reason they have more returns is because they sell percentage wise so much more than any of there competition that the equipment amount branded by them is more. The internal components on everything from APPLE to HP to DELL to ACER is made by a relatively small amount of providers. All the internal components on every machine are therefore relatively the same. The only real difference is there appearance externally and of course there brand name.


RE: Dammit!
By tastyratz on 8/30/2011 11:08:20 AM , Rating: 3
actually that number is based on a percentage of returns against a total number of warranties sold, not total number of machines sold. The statistics there are that 23 out of every standard 100 laptops sold experience a hardware failure, not that 23 fail...


RE: Dammit!
By Phoque on 8/30/2011 8:30:49 PM , Rating: 3
I was surprised at the previous comments too. I had seen the same report as you claiming HP is the worse.

I'd like to see these other people saying HP is the best post some studies/statistics to prove their say, not just their personal experience.

I believe the difference between brand is not as big for premium laptop though.

Anyway, after reading that report, I decided to purchase a premium laptop and stay away from the worst brands.


RE: Dammit!
By TheDoc9 on 8/31/2011 10:28:03 AM , Rating: 2
lol, that's an advertisement for the square trade warranty service! Really that's not valid information and it's totally biased.


RE: Dammit!
By tastyratz on 8/31/2011 12:30:46 PM , Rating: 2
biased how? Square trade does not sell warranties with brand centric pricing. They are in the truth business here because more people will buy laptops that result in fewer claims as a result of their report. More people will also more likely buy warranties after seeing the figures, and square trade will see lower sales of higher risk warranties. Fudging the numbers here will not net them financial gain.

I can also say from a friend who runs a pc repair company and has processed about 2000 machines so far, he concur's with the results and his findings. This should be taken with a grain of salt mind you though because it has no direct metric and is only observed trending.


RE: Dammit!
By mindless1 on 9/1/2011 10:08:09 PM , Rating: 2
You need to look beyond the raw numbers and consider who buys what. The average Joe Sixpack hasn't even heard of Asus, sees Toshiba as some "japanese company", and isn't going to fork over the extra dough for a Sony or Apple product.

Lenovo is quite popular in the business sector but for end user purchases there's mainly HP, Dell, and Acer to a lesser extent.

The point is, less technically savvy people are more likely to break technology based products.

Personally, I wouldn't rate HP best or worst, their lowest end laptops are pretty poorly engineered for durability, and there was that nVidia overheating fiasco a couple (?) years back which was really due to not enough heatsinking of the chip, NOT solder bump formulation which would never have mattered if the chips weren't getting so hot, but otherwise you have to consider that HP sells more low-end laptops than most of the others and you just can't engineer in as much durability with a low budget to work with unless you just make it thick as a brick and very heavy, both of which prospective buyers dislike for the obvious reasons.


RE: Dammit!
By Wolfpup on 9/4/2011 8:28:33 AM , Rating: 2
YIKES. It seemed stupid to give up on WebOS after basically a month. It still has a shot, and is still the best in a lot of ways, and the stakes are HUGE.

That seemed questionable, at best.

But leaving the consumer market?

It's good to finally find out what's really going on.

I just don't understand how these people manage to scam so many people. I mean half the people on the floor of Best Buy would run HP better than this idiot, yet he's doubtless making millions a year...for dismantling the company randomly.


RE: Dammit!
By Chadder007 on 8/30/2011 9:30:48 AM , Rating: 2
Its like someone from the inside got the new CEO hired to take down HP with such an insane decisions.


RE: Dammit!
By wvh on 8/30/2011 6:43:31 PM , Rating: 3
Just like Nokia – suicide by CEO. Seems to be a new trend these days...


RE: Dammit!
By johnsmith9875 on 9/16/2011 12:45:08 PM , Rating: 2
Not really a suicide, more like a murder, and the CEO gets away with the crime.


RE: Dammit!
By Argon18 on 8/29/11, Rating: -1
RE: Dammit!
By retrospooty on 8/29/2011 9:21:23 PM , Rating: 4
Your personal experience aside, actually Dell has the worst failure rate of major OEM's. HP is fairly good, somewhere near, but not at the top. The top 5 best quality (with regards to hardware failure rates as of 2010/2011 are
1. Lenovo
2. Asus
3. Toshiba
4. Apple
5. HP


RE: Dammit!
By chemist1 on 8/29/2011 10:22:42 PM , Rating: 5
Since you didn't supply the source (something that should be done in any case, for proper attribution), you ranking is not meaningful. According to Consumer Reports' survey of 26,000 members who bought laptops between 2008 and 2011, here are the percent of units for which repairs or serious problems were reported, sorted by mfr. According to CR, differences of less than 3 percentage points are not meaningful, so essentially all scored comparably:
1. Apple, 9%
2. Acer, 10%
3. Toshiba, 10%
4. Lenovo, 11%
5. Gateway, 11%
6. HP, 11%
7. Sony, 12%
8. Compaq, 12%
9. Dell, 12%


RE: Dammit!
By chemist1 on 8/30/2011 3:12:29 AM , Rating: 4
Edit: meant to type "...*your* ranking..."
Also, upon re-reading, I see I came off too harshly--so what I should have instead written was: "It's not possible to understand what such a ranking means without knowing its source." My apologies.


RE: Dammit!
By retrospooty on 8/30/2011 9:22:12 AM , Rating: 2
Source = the RLA (Reverse Logistics Association). I work in RL so I have seen the true info.

The numbers are taken from actual RMA's so no spin is involved that favor anyone. Certain manufacturers like to hide thier defects for obvious reasons.


RE: Dammit!
By retrospooty on 8/30/2011 9:30:45 AM , Rating: 2
I should have added, the defects are taken from hardware returns only. Not things like hard drive or battery failure where the users usually gets a replacement in the mail for a laptop. This makes it a good measurement because any OEM can buy a bad hard drive and it shouldnt count against them if it fails. In other words your Dell hard drive dies after 4 months, and you need it replaced. Is it Dell's fault? No, they buy the same stuff everyone does. WD, Seagate, Samsung, and Hitachi deskstar (purchased from IBM) are about the only large HDD makers left.

Anyhow, with all that said, Lenovo is really doing fantastic work these days. Their quality is easiliy the best in the business.


RE: Dammit!
By tastyratz on 8/30/2011 9:56:25 AM , Rating: 3
I just replied to another post with this link, but I would like to counter your consumer reports statistics with those of squaretrade based on warranties sold vs claims made broken down to manufacturer and laptop type

http://www.squaretrade.com/htm/pdf/SquareTrade_lap...

according to that the numbers are VASTLY different. Lenovo is doing... ok...sorta... in the middle


RE: Dammit!
By retrospooty on 8/30/2011 2:14:37 PM , Rating: 2
I didnt post CR. As I mentioned its easy to manipulate data with sample sizes and time discrepancies to suit the needs of your business, for example Squaretrade may have more to gain by leaning toward one company or another. CR had a 36,000 unit sample, Squaretrade had a 30,000 sample. Reverse logistics tracks returns... not a subset, ALL returns. Lenovo is on top, by a good margin.


RE: Dammit!
By Samus on 8/30/2011 3:37:46 AM , Rating: 3
The CR report, like all CR reports, are flawed. This one in particular has no statistical ratio, meaning they have no control set of averages in relation to the marketplace.

So we're use the fair avereage marketshare as an avereage of products sold to avereage of failures:

Apple portable sales for Q2/2011: 13.6 million units, 83% of them iPads, so 2.7 million Macbook/Macbook Pro's sold. This research does not include iPhones, iPods, or the like.

HP portable sales for Q2/2011: 9.7 million units, <1% of them TouchPads. This includes Pavilion, Probook, Elitebook, etc.

HP sells over 3 times the volume of mobile hardware than Apples sells of Macbook/Macbook Pro's...

That makes HP's failure rate about 3% in comparison to Apple, or roughly a third the number of failures, and unquestionably the lowest in the industry according to Consumer Report.

I know this is a ridiculously unrealistic conclusion, but hey, just taking your data and fixing it for you. Here's my sources:

http://www.crn.com/news/client-devices/231500317/r...

http://technology.inc.com/2011/08/12/with-ipad-inc... (see graph)


RE: Dammit!
By Samus on 8/30/2011 3:46:11 AM , Rating: 2
Wow, go firefox spellcheck. It changed all my spelling to mistakes!


RE: Dammit!
By Solandri on 8/30/2011 4:24:23 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The CR report, like all CR reports, are flawed. This one in particular has no statistical ratio, meaning they have no control set of averages in relation to the marketplace.

The percentages he gave were the ratio. CR surveys its subscribers, asks them if they own a particular brand item, and if they've had problems with it. So the percentages he gave are the ratio of owners reporting problems to owners reporting no problems.

They didn't give raw numbers, but that's easy to back out from the 3% margin of error. That would mean the manufacturer with the fewest number of responses got about 1100 data points.

Where CR's surveys are flawed is in that they're self-selected - each subscriber gets to decide whether or not to respond to a survey. It's not random. If people who like to rave about how great the products they use are tend to buy one brand (e.g. Apple), a disproportionately large number of those respondents will report no problems. If the people who like to complain about the products they use tend to buy another brand, a disproportionately large number of those respondents will be negative. (I subscribe, and get these survey requests every now and then. Not everyone gets to participate - they randomly select you and ask for your input. So they are trying to control this factor somewhat, by comparing brand ownership with chance to respond.)

Another thing to keep in mind is that Apple only has one line of computers. Dell and HP have both business and home lines. If you've used both, it's pretty obvious the HP and Dell business computers are much better built than their home computers. A magazine like Consumer Reports is going to mostly reflect the quality of home line purchases from Dell and HP.


RE: Dammit!
By chemist1 on 8/30/2011 7:22:15 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, exactly.


RE: Dammit!
By atlmann10 on 8/30/2011 9:51:55 AM , Rating: 2
ROFL the funniest part of all of these numbers is that the reason the percentages are pretty much exactly the same no matter the brand is they are all made from generally the same hardware no matter the brand no matter what people think of the brand!


RE: Dammit!
By damianrobertjones on 8/30/2011 4:29:18 AM , Rating: 1
" (systemboard failure)"

That should be covered by the warranty??


RE: Dammit!
By weskurtz0081 on 8/30/2011 9:52:34 AM , Rating: 1
Actually, HP's business class notebooks are VERY solid, especially the Elitebooks.


RE: Dammit!
By damianrobertjones on 8/30/2011 4:26:24 AM , Rating: 1
I don't agree.

The current range is hardly exciting and although they are intended for business the body thickness belongs in a museum.

HP Probook 5330m - Fan stays off. Core i3
HP Elitebook 8460p - Fan stays on ALL THE TIME. Core i5
HP Probook 6460b - Fan stays on ALL THE TIME. Core i5

I had a chance to introduce the machines above onto the domain and after fitting and SSD + major tweaks, even at idle, the fan still goes on and on.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-business-class-...

I DO NOT recommend Pro/Elitebooks with core i5.


RE: Dammit!
By GreenEnvt on 8/30/2011 9:23:44 PM , Rating: 2
I have an elitebook 8460p with an i5 and Radeon gpu.
Fan does run often, but not all the time.
It keeps the laptop nice and cool though. There might even be a bios option related to that. I remember on one of the laptops I setup last month there was a bios option "always run fan when on ac power".

I LOVE the easy access plate on the bottom. Love the battery life. Love the feel of it (very sturdy).

I very much dislike the useless LED shining on the keyboard. It's next to useless. Great idea, poorly implemented. A backlit keyboard would be lovely. The LED screen itself isn't that great, but fine for my work needs.

On the general topic of HP, I am at VMworld this week and asked a few people at the HP booth what they thought of their CEO's plans. They just shook their heads or rolled their eyes.


Odd thought...
By Motoman on 8/29/2011 7:27:57 PM , Rating: 1
...it has occurred to me that with the wildfire gobbling up of Touchpads once HP priced them down to $100/150, how crazy would it be for HP to just keep making the things and flood the market with WebOS?

Sure...they'd lose money on each one. But at $100 a pop, it seems like anyone and everyone would buy one - and then HP would own the tablet market.

Dropping the PC business all together does seem moronic...but as noted margins there are paper thin. HP was already, I believe, the 3rd or 4th largest software company in the world, though...




RE: Odd thought...
By rudy on 8/29/2011 10:47:19 PM , Rating: 2
As you said it was moronic you were effectively the king of PCs and now you are not going to make them at all? When IBM exited no one was surprised they were not at the top of the food chain. But HP is, and even if their consumer devices are low profit they will help give them the volume to keep them competitive in the enterprise space where profit margins are higher.
Everyone complains about profit margins but that is the way most busineses have worked you make very little money off your main product and you make alot of money off of the frills. That is no reason to exit the business. If it was we would not have consoles, gas stations, printers and the list goes on and on.


RE: Odd thought...
By augiem on 8/30/2011 3:38:12 AM , Rating: 2
I saw somewhere the BOM for a Touchpad was something like $320 for the 16GB. I also saw 500k to 1M were made. So they're losing somewhere around $160-$320M on materials alone in this fiasco not including other manufacturing, labor, shipping, marketing, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if this cost them more like $1B when all's said and done (not including R&D). To catch up to iPad's 28M units (wikipedia) in an attempt to "own the tablet market" would bankrupt the company or at least consume all of their $8B+ profits and then some.

Definitely not the way to make a killing.


RE: Odd thought...
By Solandri on 8/30/2011 4:58:16 AM , Rating: 2
$296 for the 16GB version, $318 for the 32GB version. Excluding R&D, assembly labor, and software/licensing. (board is messing up the link by inserting an extra space)
www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/News/Pages/HP-TouchPad- Carries-$318-Bill-of-Materials.aspx

Given how quickly they sold out at $99 and $149 price points, it seems a price reduction to $200 or even $300 would have been much more prudent.

The whole thing caught me by surprise because of this. Normally there's a slow reduction in prices to recoup as much of the production cost they can. Instead, they immediately jumped to a fire-sale close-out price guaranteed to clear their inventory in a matter of days. (Though it did demonstrate the complete lack understanding of how the retail market works by certain Apple fans.)
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=22485...

It makes me suspect the decision to kill the Touchpad line was partly due to internal politics, not simply lack of market demand. Someone wanted it dead, and wanted it to leave such a black mark on HP's finances that there would be absolutely zero possibility for a comeback.


RE: Odd thought...
By MozeeToby on 8/30/2011 1:06:00 PM , Rating: 2
The saddest thing? The Touchpad as it came stock was indeed laggy, jerky, and slow. Turn off high level logging, low level logging, dropped packet logging and there's a huge speed boost. Install a user developed patch and the jerkiness disappears. Install a new kernel and, even without overclocking, switching between apps is even quicker.

Two hours of work applying open sourced, community developed tweaks took the Touchpad from not ready for prime time to something that, with a larger app catalog, could have competed with the iPad lineup. Someone, somewhere along the line dropped the ball badly when they approved the installed image for the Touchpads.


RE: Odd thought...
By Gungel on 8/30/2011 7:53:09 AM , Rating: 2
Well the losses are even higher since most buyers used a coupon code to lower the price to $90/$140 incl. shipping. I used an AMEX rewards card that took of another 5%. My finial cost for the 16GB one was $85.50 and the 32GB $133.00.


RE: Odd thought...
By mindless1 on 9/1/2011 10:13:56 PM , Rating: 2
BOM are very often over-inflated, suggesting that products we know are selling at a profit, would cost more to build than even their full MSRP.


I aggree
By zephyrprime on 8/29/2011 5:25:18 PM , Rating: 3
I totally agree. HP's actions make no friggin sense. The new CEO is even worse than Fiorina. They should never have fired Mark Hurd just because of sex shenanigans.




RE: I aggree
By karielash on 8/29/2011 5:37:07 PM , Rating: 2
But look on the plus side, I got three of those nice shiny tablets for the price of one the day before.... now all I need is the Android port :)


RE: I aggree
By augiem on 8/30/2011 3:30:29 AM , Rating: 2
Dang it I haven't been able to score a single one and have wasted days and caught a cold standing out in the fog at 6 AM trying to get one. Curse all the scalpers to hell!


RE: I aggree
By RamarC on 8/29/2011 8:47:13 PM , Rating: 2
plus one but without the extra "g".

This is just another case of an idiot CEO doing idotic things to break a successful, profitable company on the advice of MBAs and "market experts" who only want to see the stock price move.


RE: I aggree
By wallijonn on 8/30/2011 11:05:59 AM , Rating: 3
Like a lot of other corporations, HP will probably get raped: the employees' pension plans will get stolen, the exiting CEO and all the boat-jumping board members will walk away with hundreds of millions of dollars.

The only way to stop this is to include performance clauses and to not issue balloon parachutes.

Now that HP stock has started to slide expect to hear of tens of thousands of layoffs in the coming weeks. The guy at the bottom will, as usual, be singled out as the cause of the demise of HP: their high salaries and the cost of their health benefits. And after all is set and done the CEO will be getting a bonus for firing a lot of people. How much of a bonus? Probably the same amount as the people fired. (In IBM's case the incoming CEO got the people-fired-bonus.)


By jemix on 8/29/2011 8:45:02 PM , Rating: 2
Digital Equipment had a lot going for it when its president broke it up and sold it... and made a ton of money in the process. The Digital Semiconductor business unit that made the Alpha and StrongArm chips was sold (dirt cheap) to Intel. Other divisions were sold off to other companies, and what ever was left over was sold to Compaq. HP, as most of you know, later bought Compaq. Now, what ever remnant of DEC that might still be alive in HP may soon be gone.... Sad.




By exDECie on 9/2/2011 1:41:09 PM , Rating: 2
Hmmm...the ouster of a dedicated (and popular) CEO (Ken Olsen)and the hiring of an outsider (Palmer)...sounding familiar. Looks like we're watching the demise of another high tech superpower. Wonder who will end up with my (Digital)retirement plan next....


Printers?
By vailr on 8/29/2011 8:50:08 PM , Rating: 2
Re: "Apotheker plan to exit the consumer electronics market". Aren't HP printers considered "consumer electronics"? Their printers used to be their main source of corporate profitability. Before the Compaq buyout, anyway. They aren't dumb enough to sell off their printer subsidiary, are they?
Side note: where are the "bargain basement" WebOS HP cell phones? Lots of WebOS tablets, but no cell phones...




RE: Printers?
By kittypuncher on 8/30/2011 6:08:42 AM , Rating: 2
Though I agree that printers appear to be consumer electronics, from a pragmatic standpoint, HP does hold printers in a different division. So they're not threatened to be sold... yet.
Should they decide to sell/shutdown their printer division as well, I would expect Mr Leo to be pushed off a cliff. (Or I'll finally break down and start buying Macs... :-P)


By someguy123 on 8/29/2011 11:55:13 PM , Rating: 2
I'm pretty sure the whole concept of resigning under protest is that they've exhausted any possibility of internal influence, so they choose to leave instead of drowning in the sinking ship.

If anything I'd say it would be more childish for them to comment on public without resigning first, as an active member of the board making such comments would tarnish their reputation far greater, to the point of being slander.


By mindless1 on 9/1/2011 10:16:49 PM , Rating: 2
Sometimes you just don't want to spend any more time around a bunch of idiots and don't want to be associated with their actions either.


Greedy and stupid board
By mosu on 8/29/2011 5:39:53 PM , Rating: 2
First attack:Carly Fiorina and now the Nokia scenario all over HP, combined with a la Dominique Strauss-Kahn modus operandi.Competition must be ecstatic.




I have the answer:
By btc909 on 8/30/2011 1:24:09 AM , Rating: 2
Write & sell 99 cent apps & sell them on the Mac App Store HP will make billions! Hardware, ehhhh you don't need to be selling any hardware. All of the money is in Apps.




So far so fast..
By putergeek00 on 8/30/2011 9:58:44 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Is there any analogy for an institution so respected that has fallen so far so fast? I can’t think of one.


Hmmm.... Yahoo!??




This whole thing is just ?
By atlmann10 on 8/30/2011 10:02:04 AM , Rating: 2
When I heard what was happening at HP I was really appalled as it really makes little to no sense. The thing here is that HP is big enough to do both sides of the technology market (corporate and commercial) with no difficulty. So why really would you just throw money away? I understand the percentages are low, but it is still a very positive income. Why not buy some hardware companies and accelerate or raise your percentage's!

Why take a brand like PALM and change it to HP or even HP/Palm. Why do it with the ENVY laptops? Why not just buy the companies and let them continue where they are successful and administer them as a sub-branch or something? Why not just expand your corporate market size and concentration while expanding both the hand held tablet and smart phones, and keep your commercial name as it has been as a trusted brand name. I could see geting rid of the COMPAQ name as thats pointless and really has no brand relevance.

All of these decisions being made by HP and there CEO seem almost idiotic to me really! Mind you I don't even use there equipment, it all just makes no sense. If you want to expand you commercial software market or division do it, but why sacrifice everything else?




Thank you Mr. Apotheker
By mattclary on 8/30/2011 12:12:17 PM , Rating: 2
I would like to personally thank Mr. Apotheker for my super-cheap Thinkpad!




corporate suicide
By czander on 8/30/2011 2:40:36 PM , Rating: 2
Talking about corporate HP suicide is taking "corporations are people" to far. Corporations do not kill themselves, CEOs do. Just as one can destroy their marriage, health, careers, etc. one can kill a corporation. We have no research on this.
Bob Nardelli is a case in point. He almost killed Home Depot. It also could be that HPs employees hate the company so much they want to see it die. The employees certainly hated Hurd and wanted him out.
HPs once viable culture is now toxic.




Exit too fast
By VinnyRandy on 8/30/2011 10:29:25 PM , Rating: 2
I still don't understand why HP just abandoned its consumer market? It is a brand recognition thing to have consumers using your products. They dropped WebOS too fast. It is a promising product.
I think HP is digging its own grave.




Best Advertisement Yet
By SpaceJumper on 8/31/2011 8:25:25 AM , Rating: 2
It costs HP less for selling the Touchpad at $99 than paying huge amount of money for the advertisements. Now the WebOS is out there, words and mouths will get around,and people will appreciate WebOS.




Why HP needs an overhaul
By ezinner on 8/31/2011 2:10:21 PM , Rating: 2
Outsourced phone support
Bloated drivers
Too many printer models
lack of unified driver architecture
High ink/toner cost




Can't wait for the movie
By chmilz on 8/29/11, Rating: 0
Ouch!
By Dorkyman on 8/29/11, Rating: -1
RE: Ouch!
By inighthawki on 8/29/2011 6:50:47 PM , Rating: 2
I don't really think there's anything wrong, just worded very poorly. I believe the intended meaning is along the lines of "the thing for which he was dismissed at his previous employers." Referring to him doing the same thing that got him fired multiple times beforehand.


RE: Ouch!
By inighthawki on 8/29/2011 6:52:11 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry I actually need to correct myself. I misread the quote, my post should refer to only one employer, not multiple employers. But otherwise my statement holds the same.


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