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Blu-ray and HD DVD may soon have more to worry about than each other, as a new much cheaper competitor emerges

At the Custom Electronic Design & Installation Association (CEDIA), a trade show held in Denver Colorado, a new potential competitor to Blu-Ray and HD DVD was demonstrated.

Instead of picking a side in the heated Blu-ray and HD DVD debate, New Medium Enterprises decided to go their own way, developing a new format called HD VMD.

HD VMD stands for High Definition Versatile Multilayer Discs -- and here's the attractive part:  it is far cheaper than either Blu-Ray or HD DVD, both for discs and for players.

The key to HD VMD's low price is that it utilizes red laser technology, which is still vastly cheaper than the blue-violet lasers used in HD DVD and Blu-Ray players.

HD VMD also stacks up roughly in the middle in terms of image quality, between Blu-ray and HD DVD.  The new format can be compared to Blu-Ray and HD DVD as follows:


             HD DVD vs. HD VMD vs. Blu-Ray


HD VMD 

    HD DVD  
Blu-ray
   

Price       
$150 (appr.)
€179 (Europe)

$179 (w./ XBOX 360)
$299 (standalone)
$599 (with Playstation 3)
$499 (standalone)


Single Side
Disc Capacity
30GB

15GB
25GB (single layer)
50GB (double layer)


Audio+Video
Data Transfer
40.0 Mbit/s (appr.)

36.55 Mbit/s
53.95 Mbit/s


Laser Type
Red

Blue-Violet
Blue-Violet


Encoding
MPEG-2,
possible future support for MPEG-4 AVC (H.264)

MPEG-2, VC-1,
MPEG-4 AVC (H.264)
MPEG-2, VC-1,
MPEG-4 AVC (H.264)

Maximum
Resolution
1080p
(1920x1080)

1080p
(1920x1080)
1080p
(1920x1080)


Source for HD DVD and Blu-Ray information


Additionally, the format supports up to 7.1-channel Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, and DTS audio output, though it will not offer the high-bit-rate Dolby TrueHD or DTS Master Audio surround-sound codec.

One feature that has not yet been discussed is whether the new device will support any sort of interactive code, such as HD DVD XML or Blu-ray's Java.  Blu-ray was harshly criticized when releases failed to measure up to HD DVD in terms of interactivity. If HD VMD does not support a language to provide advanced user interaction, its future releases may face similar critique.

While the HD VMD format is getting a late start in the competition, the format war remains undecided with the vast majority of consumers not having adopted either format, and still using DVDs.

Current sales figures show discs Blu-Ray format disc sales total 1.6 million from January 1 through July 1, while HD DVD sales amounted to only 795,000, and only 3.7 million hi-definition discs have been sold in total.  While both Blu-Ray and HD DVD camps try to use different portions of the sales numbers to indicate their dominance, the important thing to notice, is that these figures mean that only 1 in 100 Americans, approximately, have purchased any hi-definition content this year. 

With Blu-Ray and HD DVD's shallow market penetration, the new format has more of a fighting chance.

HD VMD is debuting with a selection of 20 videos next month, including "We Were Soldiers" and "Apocalypto".  The list has been criticized as not having many hot titles -- please refer to NDM's homepage for a full list.  However, there are currently only 329 titles released on Blu-Ray (as of August 21st), and HD DVD has only 279 titles (as of September 4th), and these formats did not start with significant catalogs either.

While the consumer market is very unpredictable, one thing that always drives sales is a low price.  If HD VMD is able to build its catalog with significant movie releases, and is able to offer a price point as low as planned, it may be very competitive with HD DVD and Blu-Ray.  Soon, Blu-Ray and HD DVD may have far more to worry about than each other.


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Wow
By A5un on 9/10/2007 1:10:41 PM , Rating: 3
This is almost too good to be true.

Comparable performance at a lower price, what else could I want?




RE: Wow
By KayKay on 9/10/2007 1:23:13 PM , Rating: 2
I think if more studios will support this, it would have the potential to be a winner. Can't blame everyone for cheering for the underdog now can we?


RE: Wow
By tuteja1986 on 9/11/2007 4:21:36 AM , Rating: 2
I don't care if it become a standard :!

I like the fact they are cheap :!
Fast :!
30GB of storage data :!

Now How much does one empty blank 30GB media cost ?

This could be a great drive for data backup : )


RE: Wow
By Micronite on 9/10/2007 1:31:57 PM , Rating: 4
Nice, I've been wondering why we didn't stick with red-laser discs.

I'm quite interested that they use MPEG-2 instead of MPEG-4 encoding for now. Although I'm sure they'll move to MPEG-4 when they need to cram additional content on there.

As a matter of personal preference, I really am tired of all the extras they put on discs. For example, If I am going to sit down to watch something, I'm not really interested in the director's voice telling me every detail about how they made the movie. I just want to be entertained. Give me the movie, alternate endings, deleted scenes, and the occasional gag reel (if it really is funny) and I'm set.


RE: Wow
By acer905 on 9/10/2007 1:52:51 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed. I have always preferred the special edition sets that have 2 disks. One with the movie and the extended/deleted scenes, and the second with all the other stuff that i will occationally watch, but don't really need as much.

Really the only "interactive" feature i would like is if they gave you the option to put the deleted scenes back into the exact spot there were intended to go, rather than just being viewable in some extra menu


RE: Wow
By LostInLine on 9/11/2007 5:36:46 PM , Rating: 2
Dido. Like i'm going to waste my time playing the crappy game they put on the disc with the BDJ or XML.

Note to studios: "Don't waste money on those stupid interactive feature or internet access! Make a cheaper disc that has compatibility with DVD so I can play it in my portable player too!"

I think this is where Disney is just plan stupid with their BDJ hype (the reason they selected BD!?.). If you have kids and own a Disney DVD you probably want to use it on trips. Where is the portable play or BD+DVD disc?

Does VMD support DVD on one of its layers so a standard DVD play could read it?


RE: Wow
By Aikouka on 9/10/2007 2:55:48 PM , Rating: 2
I find it interesting that they didn't simply use MPEG4 as their main codec. I think a fair number of people around here remember the original days of Blu-Ray where it was criticized for looking worse than HD-DVD, because HD-DVD titles used VC-1 and Blu-Ray used a high-bitrate MPEG2. I don't see why HD-VMD would want to make that same mistake.


RE: Wow
By darkfoon on 9/10/2007 4:01:51 PM , Rating: 4
one word my friend: licensing.
H.264 has royalties that need to be paid; so does MPEG-2, but its older, and probably less than H.264.

In the beginning, they can afford MPEG-2 licensing for the 20 titles they offer, perhaps H.264 would bankrupt them.

Then again, I could be completely wrong, because I am not a master on the subject.


RE: Wow
By Aikouka on 9/11/2007 8:18:55 AM , Rating: 2
Well, it's actually a moot point to discuss anymore, because the DailyTech article is incorrect. If you go to the original Yahoo! Tech article, it says that HD-VMD will use MPEG2 and VC-1. VC-1 is essentially the main codec used in HD-DVD and Blu-Ray today.

Here's the portion from the article:
quote:
The format uses MPEG-2 and VC1 video formats to encode at 1080p resolution for the time being, and will possibly move to the H.264 format in the future.


RE: Wow
By FastLaneTX on 9/11/2007 1:41:22 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
As a matter of personal preference, I really am tired of all the extras they put on discs. For example, If I am going to sit down to watch something, I'm not really interested in the director's voice telling me every detail about how they made the movie. I just want to be entertained. Give me the movie, alternate endings, deleted scenes, and the occasional gag reel (if it really is funny) and I'm set.
So, basically, you want all the extras except the commentary track, which is probably the cheapest part to put on there since it's audio-only... The extras are why I buy a DVD instead of just downloading it or waiting for it to show on TV; I have a hard time watching a movie twice, but with the extra tracks, deleted scenes, "Making Of" segments, etc. mean I can watch it a dozen times before it ends up on the shelf forever collecting dust.


RE: Wow
By Locutus465 on 9/10/2007 5:45:57 PM , Rating: 2
Hate to say it, but I think the answer here is that it is... I'm not sure if at this point they can get backers, and frankely their chart is a bit off, Dual Layer HD does 30GB, I think on a single side unless I'm way off here.


RE: Wow
By Polynikes on 9/10/2007 6:40:45 PM , Rating: 2
Well, I'm sure glad I didn't buy into BD or HDDVD yet.


RE: Wow
By herrdoktor330 on 9/10/2007 10:09:07 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Comparable performance at a lower price, what else could I want?


I would like to see what they're charging for the media. Since they're just using the MPEG2 codec, I would hope they would keep the movies around the $20 mark. That would be the sweet spot which would really get this format flying off the shelves. I would also like to see an SATA or IDE PC burnable drive for these at a reasonable price point. I think $75 or less for the drive would really make this thing take off like a rocket.

And if they can keep the price down, this thing could be a contender. It's going to take some adoption by the retail chains and a small ad campaign to educate the consumer. But if these things hit Wal-Mart with a sweet price and a good display, it could do well in America.

I'd love to see this product and it's offerings in stores and how HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will respond to it's presence in the market. At least, this little bugger will drive prices of the competitors down enough to increase penetration for all formats.

As with all things, time will tell.


RE: Wow
By Locutus465 on 9/10/2007 10:50:09 PM , Rating: 2
Trouble is, most HD (and I would imagine blueray) movies are already at that sweet spot save a few AAA titles. So in reality, media costs won't be an advantage for them, and they prices aren't so low that HD-DVD couldn't catch up... Who knows with blueray...


By sam159 on 9/10/2007 1:45:52 PM , Rating: 4
shouldnt that be 3.7 million, but i could be wrong :P




By AnnihilatorX on 9/10/2007 1:53:13 PM , Rating: 3
Lol if it's right I would be laughing for the rest of my life.