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Michael Hoffman (Blog) - August 2, 2007 10:38 PM
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Grand Theft Auto IV screenshot  (Source: Rockstar Games)
Take-Two announces that Grand Theft Auto IV will not be available before Christmas

Take-Two Interactive Software announced it will delay both the Sony PlayStation 3 and Microsoft Xbox 360 versions of Grand Theft Auto IV, arguably the company's most important upcoming video game.  Originally scheduled to be released October 16, the game will now likely be released in the second quarter of fiscal 2008 - a period ranging from February 1 to April 30.

The recent announcement was rather unexpected, and Take-Two said the game must be delayed because it isn't completed.  Game developer Rockstar Games strongly promoted the October 16 game release with little indication a delay loomed in the future.  

Microsoft and Sony were expecting the latest Grand Theft Auto video game to give them an important boost during the Christmas holiday shopping rush.

"Certain elements of development proved to be more time-intensive than expected, especially given the commitment for a simultaneous release on two very different platforms," said Strauss Zelnick, Take-Two chairman.

Take-Two also lowered financial outlook for the final two quarters of its fiscal year.

While Microsoft can look forward to the latest Halo in the holiday season, Sony no longer has a premier game title to offer gamers during the holiday - a turn of events which could help sales of the Nintendo Wii game console, according to Evan Wilson, Pacific Crest Securities analyst.

"It is rare that a single game can change the dynamics of the competitive landscape," Wilson added.

Take-Two and Rockstar Games already have another anticipated game that has not been released - Manhunt 2 is still ensnared in legal limbo over the game's violence.

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Any plans for a PC version?
By akyp on 8/3/2007 3:11:29 AM , Rating: 2
I will never get used to playing a 3D shooter game on a console.




RE: Any plans for a PC version?
By omnicronx on 8/3/2007 10:27:54 AM , Rating: 2
This game is a 3rd person shooter, which in my opinion are great on consoles. 1st person shooters (view from gun) are always best on PC :)


RE: Any plans for a PC version?
By PaxtonFettel on 8/3/2007 11:30:34 AM , Rating: 2
Meh, 1st or 3rd person, consoles always have to fudge the aiming so that it's possible to hit anything. I always feel like I'm cheating a bit when I play a GTA game on a console and it does all the aiming for me.


RE: Any plans for a PC version?
By omnicronx on 8/3/2007 11:54:31 AM , Rating: 2
thats what higher difficulty settings are for..


RE: Any plans for a PC version?
By SirLucius on 8/3/2007 11:58:11 AM , Rating: 2
You can almost always turn off the "auto-aim" feature that kinda jumps and locks onto targets. I always do (when allowed) since I find it to be distracting and annoying.


RE: Any plans for a PC version?
By danz32 on 8/3/2007 10:28:48 AM , Rating: 2
In the past, the port has been about 6 months past the original console release. We'll have to see this time

I agree about the PC being better, except flying planes in GTA has harder with a keyboard.


RE: Any plans for a PC version?
By TimTheEnchanter25 on 8/3/2007 10:59:22 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I agree about the PC being better, except flying planes in GTA has harder with a keyboard.


Flying in the GTA games with a Joystick is awesome, the console controllers don't even come close. Way better controls than Battlefield 1942 / Vietnam (didn't play the newer ones).


RE: Any plans for a PC version?
By akyp on 8/4/2007 5:38:07 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah that's what I do on previous GTA titles. Although it's kinda odd to control the throttle with joystick buttons instead of uh, the throttle controller. :)


Hard drive
By DingieM on 8/3/2007 3:39:22 AM , Rating: 1
Recently Microsoft said that some future Xbox360 games only support a hard drive, either enhancing the gameplay by using the hard drive if present or only run on an Xbox360 with hard drive.
Can't post the link its in Dutch and can't reach it from work (closed from internet with filters - thank you Honeywell).

So this may have to do with it that GTA 4 has to be adapted (enhanced) for Xbox360 including hard drives.
This means that the presumed advantage of the PS3 version will be reduced to 0.




RE: Hard drive
By enlil242 on 8/3/2007 4:34:16 PM , Rating: 3
"simultaneous release on two very different platforms,"

i.e. Playstation learning curve is still a bear even with the updated tools sony finally provided, and since we used to be a Sony Exclusive, we appeased them by not releaseing the Xbox version before the PS3 version...

Or maybe not.


RE: Hard drive
By Treckin on 8/5/2007 1:46:52 PM , Rating: 2
Best deduction I have seen on dailytech yet...
2 points :-)


RE: Hard drive
By afkrotch on 8/4/2007 4:47:01 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
This means that the presumed advantage of the PS3 version will be reduced to 0.


Umm...how would that reduce the PS3's advantage to 0? Wouldn't that be a big disadvantage for the Xbox 360?

You alienate your customer base that doesn't have a hdd for their Xbox 360. You are making users waste space on their already small hdd (as the majority probably only sport the 20 gig hdd).

PS3 games don't require you to install the game on the hdd. Some games allow you to install it in the hdd, but it's not necessary. Also, all PS3s have a hdd to begin with.

If they required games to have a hdd to run, you are forcing users to buy or upgrade their hdds. Course even doing that gives the Xbox 360 a huge disadvantage in pricing for hdds or selections for hdds.

Xbox 360
20 gig hdd - $95
120 gig hdd - $165

PS3

40 gig hdd - $44
60 gig hdd - $49
80 gig hdd - $55
100 gig hdd - $64
120 gig hdd - $67
160 gig hdd - $95
200 gig hdd - $140
250 gig hdd - $190


NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
By omnicronx on 8/3/2007 8:53:55 AM , Rating: 2
Thats B.S, i was really looking forward to playing gta4 this holiday season, I even took two weeks off in anticipation! jk.. not that much of a loser, but still I WANT!!




Good
By Holytrinity on 8/3/07, Rating: -1
RE: Good
By sxr7171 on 8/3/2007 1:31:07 AM , Rating: 2
Nice try.


RE: Good
By rdeegvainl on 8/3/2007 1:35:34 AM , Rating: 2
It is amazing that people are so concerned with the ratings that their posts get they pretty much make a disclaimer in their messages relating to the ratings they think they are gonna get. If you are that worried about your rating... here is a thought, quit worrying.

Anyways I think the word senseless could be debated in the context of the upcoming GTA IV game based on what I have heard so far.


RE: Good
By someguy123 on 8/3/2007 3:34:39 AM , Rating: 2
the senseless violence portion of the game is actually the worst part of the game (such as the "take over territory" portion of GTA san andreas). it's fun at times to just run around and do whatever you want throughout the city, but the majority of people buy the game for it's "hard life" story.

the story may not be ground breaking, but out of all the games out GTA does the genre the best.


RE: Good
By christojojo on 8/3/07, Rating: 0
RE: Good
By therealnickdanger on 8/3/2007 7:33:50 AM , Rating: 1
Hardly appropriate to accuse the man of being self-serving and judgemental just for finding games that entertain violence to be disgusting. Did he tell you that you can't play the game? No, he said that "he thinks" the game shouldn't be released.

Why so quick to defend something as trivial as a videogame in order to slam your brother?


RE: Good
By rdeegvainl on 8/3/2007 7:42:16 AM , Rating: 2
WHAT? they are related? this is turning out to be quite the turn of events. Are they locked in a heated struggle, both with opposing views?
Stay tuned to dailytech of our lives.


RE: Good
By christojojo on 8/3/2007 1:02:36 PM , Rating: 3
The relation of GTA and the Bible is violence and children. Many of the jedo-christian heritage stories like Grimms tales, wild west paperbacks and other folk lore sources have loads of violence. War has been glorified for centuries. Children have been exposed to it for centuries.

Yet, we never hear John Wayne, Jackie Chan, J.R.R. Tolkien, or a myriad of other cultural Icons of being accused of causing our children to be violent. Cut the crap; be responsible for your own actions; be a good neighbor. (End of another rant)


RE: Good
By bplewis24 on 8/3/2007 10:43:03 AM , Rating: 4
While I agree with the general notion and tone of your post, I do think something should be pointed out. You say:

quote:
Did he tell you that you can't play the game? No, he said that "he thinks" the game shouldn't be released


In all practicality, if his stance is that the game shouldn't ever be released, he IS saying that he doesn't want people in general (and the responding poster specifically) to play it. It would be one thing the OP said he hated the game and wouldn't want to play it himself or allow his children to play it, but in this case he is pretty much trying to restrict the rights of others with opposing views by saying that, if he had his way, nobody could play it.

Brandon


RE: Good
By mdogs444 on 8/3/2007 10:01:33 AM , Rating: 2
I do not play video games, and yet I do not care if a video game has violence, gore, or - hell - even porn on it. If you are old enough to purchase the game, then you are old enough to make your own choices on which types of content you want to play. If you are not old enough to buy the game, then the parents should be aware of what content is included and they make the choice.

If someone is the type of person who cannot think for themselves and seperate fictional game & television from real life, then that person should not be playing video games or watching television to begin with. Perhaps they should be in the classroom double time.


RE: Good
By omnicronx on 8/3/2007 10:25:53 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
If someone is the type of person who cannot think for themselves and seperate fictional game & television from real life, then that person should not be playing video games or watching television to begin with


Ya well the way parents let kids watch whatever they want at the age of four now a days, pretty much desensitizes them pretty early on, how do you know the difference between game & TV from real life when you have grown up on violance and bullshit =P I know when i was a kid the most violance we had in video games was mario squashing a mushroom, now a days you can have 7 year olds killing 'bitches' and pimpin 'hoes' GTA styles ;)


RE: Good
By omnicronx on 8/3/2007 10:32:15 AM , Rating: 2
fine rate me down, but if you can't face the fact its time to put most of the blame on the parents for letting their children watch/play this explicit content you are a moron. You cant blame video game manufacturers with ratings of M+ in which you need to show an ID to buy the game. Same can be said about R rated movies and 18+ TV shows (except for the ID part obviously)

Kids should not play M rated games or watch 18+/R rated movies period! dont blame me because you can not face the facts, kids are becoming desensitized and violent crimes are going up worldwide, its not just coincidance =P


RE: Good
By Keeir on 8/3/2007 6:14:55 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
dont blame me because you can not face the facts, kids are becoming desensitized and violent crimes are going up worldwide, its not just coincidance =P


Alright, this is class A FUD

Using US Government Data

First Serious Violent Crime in US
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/cv2.htm

Seems like since before 1990, violent crime reported has fallen significantly, and number of arrests has stayed constant...

Seems both Males and Females have less violent crimes commited against them
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/vsx2.htm

Seems like any precieved increase in violent crime is just that, a preceived increase due to the following:
#1. Population Increase
#2. More Reporting
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/reportingtype....
#3. More Convictions
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/fedipc.htm

Maybe some number fudging has been occuring, but I doubt many other organizations have the ability to track and compile large amounts of Data.


RE: Good
By smitty3268 on 8/3/2007 10:40:32 AM , Rating: 1
Then that is the parents choice. If they don't care that their kid is killing fake 'bitches' and pimpin fake 'hoes' GTA style, then what right do we have to interfere?

You're not going to convince me that the kids don't know the difference between real life and TV. If they don't, they would be legally insane and should be kept in an asylum where they can get help.


RE: Good
By omnicronx on 8/3/2007 10:50:53 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
If they don't, they would be legally insane and should be kept in an asylum where they can get help.


First off, i am not trying to say desensitizing children has anything to do with them thinking what they are watching or playing is real. What i am saying is kids today see stuff like killings, sex, and violence and they think this is normal activity. 25 years ago if you showed a kid a scene from hostel they would be crying in bed for a week with nightmares, now a days its considered normal and kids are not effected in the slightest. If you don't see a problem with this you are a moron, and if you do not see the link to desensitizing kids and the increased violence around the world you are also a moron.

I do not need to convince you of anything, the facts are there, you just choose to ignore them. If you think it is your right as an 'American' to let you kids watch and play what you want, you are just a bad parent.. well atleast you still have your freedoms =P


RE: Good
By smitty3268 on 8/3/2007 12:13:07 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not a parent at all, so I'll admit I don't really have a great perspective on this subject.

quote:
If you think it is your right as an 'American' to let you kids watch and play what you want, you are just a bad parent..

I do think that is my right, just like it is my right to keep them from watching and playing the things I don't want them to.

quote:
What i am saying is kids today see stuff like killings, sex, and violence and they think this is normal activity. 25 years ago if you showed a kid a scene from hostel they would be crying in bed for a week with nightmares, now a days its considered normal and kids are not effected in the slightest. If you don't see a problem with this you are a moron

I'm unconvinced. Every generation always talks about how bad kids are today, and how back in the day these things were handled much better. It's been that way since the dawn of time, and it just doesn't have that much basis in reality. 25 years ago they may have been shocked by the violence in Hostel, but there are plenty of other things that have changed for the positive.

quote:
if you do not see the link to desensitizing kids and the increased violence around the world you are also a moron

Is there really increased violence around the world? I think this is one of the more peaceful eras that we've had in quite a while.


RE: Good
By omnicronx on 8/3/2007 12:40:20 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I do think that is my right, just like it is my right to keep them from watching and playing the things I don't want them to.


You only prove my point time and time again, of course it is your right under your precious 'constitution', you also have a right to say 'The world is flat' as freedom of speech permits it, but that still makes you a moron. Just because you are allowed to do it does not make it right, and the sad part is, you are more worried about the right to allow your kids watch this content than the effects letting them watch it has on them. Very sad if you ask me.

quote:
Is there really increased violence around the world? I think this is one of the more peaceful eras that we've had in quite a while.

Violence between nations.. no, violence within our nations, yes.. Violent crimes are increasing at an alarming rate, even when taking growth of population into account. You can slice anyway you want, but the facts are there for anyone to see.


RE: Good
By smitty3268 on 8/3/2007 12:57:10 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not sure about overseas, but in America violent crime went down all through the 90's as more police officers were hired. In the last few years, it has started to rise again as fewer officers were on the street. Linking this to movies and not police presence seems a little strange to me.

quote:
you are more worried about the right to allow your kids watch this content than the effects letting them watch it has on them.

I'm not saying I would let them watch it, just that I'd be pissed off when some stranger busts into my living room and starts telling me that I'm not taking care of my kids and I have to do everything their way or I'm a bad parent.


RE: Good
By omnicronx on 8/3/2007 1:14:13 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'm not sure about overseas, but in America violent crime went down all through the 90's as more police officers were hired.

cause and effect, more police officers and crackdowns = less violent crime, but this trend only occurred from the transition of the 80's to 90's (its well known many hate crimes occured in the 80's) and video games had no impact here as it was before the violent video game era.

Go google something like 'violent crimes on the rise in north america' and you will see over the past 10 years violent crimes are on the increase by around 2% a year, which is an alarming number, considering increased amount of police officers and crackdowns on guns and drugs.

quote:
I'm not saying I would let them watch it, just that I'd be pissed off when some stranger busts into my living room and starts telling me that I'm not taking care of my kids and I have to do everything their way or I'm a bad parent.


Nobody is calling for laws to be put in place here, which allows someone to come crashing into your living room. In fact nobody is calling for a law at all, thats why protections such as content ratings exist, so that parents are aware their kids should not be viewing such material. If you choose to ignore these warnings and let your children do as they please just for the sake of saying "ITS MY RIGHT" you are a moron and a bad parent.

I am not talking about letting your 17 year old play an MA game, i am talking about anyone 14 and under should not have access to such content, plain and simple.


RE: Good
By smitty3268 on 8/3/2007 2:32:59 PM , Rating: 2
I guess I just thought you were advocating doing something about it, rather than just complaining about it in general. Anyway, you might not be busting down my door but you are grabbing a megaphone and preaching to the world. Which is your right, but I still think it's a pretty rude thing to do - calling others bad parents when you don't even know them or exactly what limits they place on their kids.

quote:
Go google something like 'violent crimes on the rise in north america' and you will see over the past 10 years violent crimes are on the increase by around 2% a year, which is an alarming number, considering increased amount of police officers and crackdowns on guns and drugs.

I know it's been increasing lately. I was under the impression that it was because there were fewer cops on the streets these days than there used to be, because of budget concerns and a larger focus on terrorism at the expense of domestic crime. Perhaps thats wrong? I'm willing to look at a link you can give me saying otherwise.


RE: Good
By rdeegvainl on 8/3/2007 2:59:45 PM , Rating: 1
I guess if you want to find something you will. I can google crime rates and find that they have dropped over the past 10 years. Apparently Since 1994, violent crime rates have declined, reaching the lowest level ever in 2005.
Here is my source. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/viort.htm
So while i have the statistics from the United States Department of Justice, you have what? FUD. Find me a source as credible as the US DOJ about violent crime rates in the US, and then I'll stop thinking your an idiot with an agenda.


RE: Good
By omnicronx on 8/3/2007 3:27:07 PM , Rating: 2
See what i find funny is its great you can show one chart, but go compare their violent crime rates compared to say.. 'The number of adults in the correctional population' or 'Incarceration rate' or 'Prison population by conviction offense' where it says right in the headline 'Over half of the increase in State prison population since 1995 is due to an increase in the prisoners convicted of violent offenses.' .. so let me get this straight, violent crimes have gone down.. but prison population has gone up in the same time and is attributed to what? oh ya.. prisoners convicted of violent crimes.
So what to believe? those seem like some pretty conflicting evidence does it not? makes me wonder who really has the hidden agenda. its pretty easy to show one side without showing the other..

heres the link if you need it: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/corrtyp.htm


RE: Good
By omnicronx on 8/3/2007 3:32:34 PM , Rating: 2
p.s look where your data comes from, compared to the actually government numbers of who was convicted and for what..

* The National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), a household survey ongoing since 1972, that interviews about 134,000 persons age 12 and older in 77,200 households each year about their victimizations from crime.
* The Uniform Crime Reports (UCR) that collects information on crimes and arrests reported by law enforcement authorities to the FBI.

So one source is a survey.. and the other is only the "reported" crimes to the fbi.. i wonder what that means, considering it is a pretty broad definition that could be interpreted as many things


RE: Good
By christojojo on 8/3/2007 3:49:45 PM , Rating: 2
I'm still looking but I bet you MOST violent crime is poor on poor. You know the people who can't afford Xbox360's and PS3s. I willing to bet the higher the income the less (I'm not saying none) violent crimes per capita.

To rephrase some previous posts, I would probably say committing crimes is impossible; since, all they (potential felons) do is play video games and watch TV.


RE: Good
By mdogs444 on 8/3/2007 4:10:30 PM , Rating: 2
You are absolutely correct that there is a direct correlation between income/wealth & crime - and its not just like that in the United States.

There is always crime in every classification (low, middle, high, etc), but as you dig deeper into the lower classifications, the crime rate per persons, or square area, etc are exponentially higher.


RE: Good
By omnicronx on 8/3/2007 4:24:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I willing to bet the higher the income the less (I'm not saying none) violent crimes per capita.


Of course this is true, always has been, but this does not mean the number of violent crimes is not going up for both higher income and lower income families, which it sounds like it is. I really doubt this spike can only be attributed to lower income families, i bet per capita the increase is about on par between the two. (I dont know for sure, there are no stats on that topic)

quote:
You know the people who can't afford Xbox360's and PS3s

yes because everyone has to be on the cutting edge, its totally impossible that someone could still be playing ps1 or the ps2 they bought for 50 bucks.
I don't know why you even bring up the 360 because i am not talking about video games in general here(or especially a 1 1/2 year old console), i am talking about the desensitizing of children, may it be by video games, tv, or movies.

quote:
To rephrase some previous posts, I would probably say committing crimes is impossible; since, all they (potential felons) do is play video games and watch TV.


you are a moron, what part of your ass did you pull that from, couldn't think of anything relevant to say? At least both the other two had something to say, you are just making a fool of yourself.

p.s keep on looking


RE: Good
By christojojo on 8/4/2007 12:56:17 AM , Rating: 2
Omni,

You know every time you call someone a moron I'm pretty sure that you are conceding the point.

Perhaps, you are admitting your mental inferiority to me by acknowledging that I am a moron and not at your amoebic IQ. ; )

Really, now can you just stop calling people names because you can't figure out a tangent. With your over 418 posts as of 0046 hrs EST you have read enough comments about people complaining that parents use the TV and Video games as baby sitters, that lazy people play video games and watch TV instead of getting jobs. This is happening even though in other threads similar demographics are being accused of committing crimes.

P.S. I pulled this out of same part the part of my ass as your IQ. (Golly, I sure feel juvenile retorting like this but it felt good.)

P.s.. Still looking

Here's a quote we old fogies said way back in the seventies (1971).

quote:
Harry Callahan: I know what you're thinking. "Did he fire six shots or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself a question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066999/quotes


RE: Good
By rdeegvainl on 8/3/2007 5:29:32 PM , Rating: 2
So you show one chart also. so what.
If
quote:
Over half of the increase in State prison population since 1995 is due to an increase in the prisoners convicted of violent offenses.

that only means that more people are being put in prison for violent crimes. not that they are increasing. Also those charts are dealing with total population, not percentages. So if the population increases so will total number of what? (let me give you a clue, it's people in prison). It's funny also that you will only will show one side. So yes i have an agenda, to show people another side of the "video games are desensitizing our children and causing them to think violence is ok in real life" story.


RE: Good
By rdeegvainl on 8/3/2007 5:33:14 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry i meant to say that "more people are being put in prison for violent crimes. not more violent crimes are being commited, or a higher percent are being commited."


RE: Good
By Spotacus on 8/4/2007 12:15:07 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
its pretty easy to show one side without showing the other..


Yeah, it is. In fact, it is just like what you are doing.

Yes, the prison population has gone up because of people convicted of violent crimes while the number of violent crimes have gone down. Let me show you how research can tell you why this happened. Google "rate of violent crimes". Skip past the DoJ graphs, we've already seen those. Read some of the news stories that follow though. See now, the people that wrote those actually did their research. They talked to professionals who study these kinds of things. And they seem to have a common theme: tougher and mandatory sentences for those convicted of violent crimes.

So rather than a person who committed a violent crime getting probation or a very short prison or jail sentence, they go to prison and stay there for long amount of time. So that is how you get more people in prison.

Now for the rate of violent crimes falling at the same time:
People see that violent crimes are being cracked down on and they might think about it twice. Since some of the violent offenders are now in prison they aren't committing any more violent crimes. Add in the increase in population and it makes it pretty easy to see how this has happened.


RE: Good
By Rockjock51 on 8/4/2007 11:41:05 PM , Rating: 2
Might be wrong here, but if the number of crimes has gone down, and the number of people in prison has gone up.. doesn't it stand to reason that more people are convicted? You can have a violent crime like the OJ Simpson trial. No one went to jail there, but two people are dead. So theres a crime with no one in jail for it. I read the link you posted as saying more people get convicted for crimes now than before, but fewer actual crimes are happening.


RE: Good
By mdogs444 on 8/3/2007 2:31:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
how do you know the difference between game & TV from real life when you have grown up on violance and bullshit


Its called education, and not just from parents. Education comes from schools, parents, other family, peers, friends, and most of all - personal experiences. Its the basic learning curve. We are definately referring to totally different age ranges though - you state that 4 year olds do whatever they want. I highly doubt that. But i can see some 14 year olds doing whatever they want. And i agree, it is the parents responsiblity, and they should be owning up to that. But, some of these kids are playing these games when the parents cannot be around - perhaps his friend has an older brother who lets them play, etc, there could be thousands of reasons.

But the fact is, even though they are not 18 or older than the "M" rating, common sense takes over. Video games are not real, killing people on a game does not promote or give you the right to kill someone in real life. Same goes for movies. The learning curve up to the age where the kid starts being exposed to things like this is where the teaching comes in so that he knows its fake BEFORE HE SEES IT.

But on another note, if you were a kid when mario was out, i am going to make an educated guess that you are in your early - mid 20's, and probably do not have kids. You have the right the give opinions about things, but it is not your call to tell people how to raise their kids - what they should and should not do, and how they should and should not do it - especially if you do not have kids and are not experiencing the same issues as your target is.


RE: Good
By omnicronx on 8/3/2007 3:13:44 PM , Rating: 3
dont rate the guy down, hes made some great points.
and you are right i am in my mid 20's with no kids. And in the end both of you are right, i have no real idea what goes on, or what limits parents put on their kids.

My only gripe is i know for a fact, being a kid myself not too long ago, is that many many parents put absolutely no limits on their kids, and not only allow them to view this content, but endorse it and actually buy the games for them.

There is obviously nothing a parent can do about kids going elsewhere to play games. But my other point is, if the other parent in question where your kid is going did not let their child buy the game this problem would not exist.

Of course there are always ways around this, but even if 50% of the children using this content were stopped, you would think it 'could' and i emphasize 'could' stop the trend of increasing violence.

I don't mean to preach either because thats the last thing i want to do, and i know it is not your call to tell people how to raise their kids, but the fact remains there is a problem, and although it is just my opinion, it does not mean something does not need to be done. The truth hurts sometimes, and this is obviously something people just don't want to hear, but it doesn't make it right.


RE: Good
By rdeegvainl on 8/4/2007 6:07:14 AM , Rating: 2
I agree completely with parental responsibility. I also remember being a kid, and that parents don't place enough restrictions on the content their children digest. But I also believe that the rights of the parents to raise their kids supersede the rights of the government to enforce laws and restrictions about something that is not proven to be harmful to children. If there was solid evidence to the contrary, then I would think differently, but as it is now, parental rights over a nanny state.
Though I must state again, I do wish parents were alot more responsible.


RE: Good
By afkrotch on 8/4/2007 4:57:54 PM , Rating: 2
Just about all games have senseless violence.

Mario beating up Bowser by jumping on his head, seems pretty violent. Sure, not as violent as GTA4 will be, but it's still senseless violence used to generate profit.

Only difference between Mario and GTA4, is that Mario isn't allowed to deviate from his set path. Mario isn't allowed to tour the Mushroom Kingdom and beat up Princess Toadstool. Instead, he can only use violence on Bowser and his minions.


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