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The DHS is paying 81 percent of the Navy's costs at the Stennis Space Center, home to the DHS's new consolidated IT datacenter. Despite that, it only gets 24 percent of that floor space. That glaring discrepancy was overlooked due to bureacratic bungling and incompetence.  (Source: About.com)
The Department of Homeland Security apparently doesn't know -- or apparently care -- how money is being spent or mispent

The alert level for the Department of Homeland Security's IT efforts have just been bumped from amber to red.  But the only thing terrifying is how badly the critical security department's IT budget is being mismanaged according to analysis from a recent government report.

The DHS inspector general has completed a major review [PDF] of the DHS's data center overhaul and consolidation efforts.  A crucial aspect was the quality of the department's decision to move to Navy facilities NASA's Stennis Space Center in Mississippi as its primary data center.

The inspector general found that the contract was poorly managed and that overspending had occurred.  In addition, they said there's major risks that deadlines may be missed due to the mismanagement.

The new data center is housed in the Navy's meteorology and oceanography arm.  The Navy does not own the land, but rents it from the Army; in fact the data center is a converted munitions manufacturing facility.  The DHS is among several tenants in the building.

The DHS inspector general claims that the DHS and the Navy have no clear agreement over how they split costs, how much space the DHS gets, the DHS's power allotment, or even where the facility is located.  DHS CIO Richard Spires has disputed the report's claim that power and space allotments were not spelled out.

The report, though, was adamant that the project was being poorly managed and without clear business terms.  It reads, "Without these terms, DHS cannot be assured that it can continue to house its primary data center in the current location, or that DHS is reimbursing the Navy only for expenses related to the primary data center."

Apparently the Navy is taking full advantage of that bungling -- it's charging the DHS 81 percent of the costs of the facility, while the DHS only takes up 24 percent of the office space.  The DHS has also incurred multiple cost overruns, such as when it decided to spend $5M USD on new facilities at the Stennis Space Center, but failed to tell the Navy which particular building to give it.  The Navy gave it a pretty dilapidated building that required massive renovations, which ended up costing taxpayers $64.1M USD -- a large unintended expense.

The DHS has given the Navy $160M USD in total, but it hasn't even gotten invoices back for a lot of the spending.  And the DHS's IT staff never complained to their superiors about this significant oversight.  Even the paperwork they did get, according to the report, wasn't always forwarded to and reviewed by DHS accountants.  As a result it's unclear exactly how much was spent on what.

The only good news is that the property will soon be transferred to NASA's management, so the DHS gets a second shot at working out a smarter deal, this time with NASA.  DHS CIO Spires says that this time around the DHS will strive for more clarity in the agreements -- which will hopefully amount to less wasted taxpayer dollars.



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The Funny Thing About Apples & Oranges
By clovell on 3/17/2010 10:26:07 AM , Rating: 5
> Apparently the Navy is taking full advantage of that bungling -- it's charging the DHS 81 percent of the costs of the facility, while the DHS only takes up 24 percent of the office space.

You keep saying that, Jason, but I keep thinking, 'How does space usage correlate to cost?'. Maybe the DHS uses a lot of power or other resources that make up the difference?

Maybe not - but, in my experience, when press releases compare different numbers like this, there's usually some fabrication going on. Remember that if you ever get into journalism.




RE: The Funny Thing About Apples & Oranges
By MrBlastman on 3/17/2010 10:54:55 AM , Rating: 1
How many IT guys do you need to screw in a hard drive?

Trick question. :)

The answer is none. You actually need only one to install a hard drive into a screwless case.

Unfortunately, our government would have failed that exam.


By Performance Fanboi on 3/17/2010 4:03:44 PM , Rating: 5
I thought the answer was 2 but the trick is getting them inside the harddrive.


By Solandri on 3/18/2010 6:27:55 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
You keep saying that, Jason, but I keep thinking, 'How does space usage correlate to cost?'. Maybe the DHS uses a lot of power or other resources that make up the difference?

A friend of mine manages a commercial building and we were talking about rents. The market rate can vary widely depending on the floor, access, and facilities. Ground floor is most valuable. Some companies get/make lots of deliveries, so being nearest the truck delivery ramp in the rear commands a higher price. Proximity to the cargo elevator can also add a price premium for a warehouse-type building like his.

In his building, the ground floor (which also has a delivery ramp) rents out for about 3x more than the upper floors. The ground floor has an extensive refrigeration system installed by the current tenant (a food delivery company), which would increase its rental price to future customers who needed refrigeration. The topmost floor is actually vacant because he hasn't been able to find a tenant for it even though he's listed it with a rent about 1/5th the ground floor's.

Which brings up another point - the owner doesn't set "take it or leave it" rental rates. Such a system doesn't let you adapt to changes in market conditions as tenants leave and come. Each tenant negotiates their own rate.


Give out private contracts FFS
By Shig on 3/17/2010 9:28:35 AM , Rating: 2
Google, Microsoft, HP, Dell, Cisco, and many others could do a 100x better job and we all know it.

And hire a few consultants that actually know what they're doing.

Seems like rocket science I know.




RE: Give out private contracts FFS
By amanojaku on 3/17/2010 9:40:36 AM , Rating: 2
That's not the answer. If it was you wouldn't hear about government-sponsored private contracts where there are cost and schedule overruns. Whether the project is executed by outside contractors or in-house staff you still need proper oversight. I say this as a contractor.


RE: Give out private contracts FFS
By Iaiken on 3/17/2010 10:02:19 AM , Rating: 2
My last government contract paid me a ridiculous amount of money, almost twice as much as I get paid now. It was definitely more efficient use of taxpayer money! :D


Proposal for new article category
By amanojaku on 3/17/2010 9:19:23 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
NEW! Government Report: DHS's IT Mismanagement is Wasting Taxpayer Money
Can we change "NEW!" to "SO, WHAT ELSE IS NEW?!?"




LOL
By seraphim1982 on 3/17/2010 11:03:45 AM , Rating: 2
Idiots, just plain and simple....

I'm sure kindergarten kids can come up with a better system of hierarchy and order.




RE: LOL
By tng on 3/17/2010 11:40:40 AM , Rating: 2
That is the problem, to many poeple involved how have no stake in the outcome. They come to work do what they have to do to finish the day. If a few things slide that is OK because it is probably someone elses job anyhow, so hardly anything gets done correctly.

Welcome to big government or really any big management system. I have seen this at big corporations as well, lots of people who want to preserve their jobs by doing make work, and not doing what they should because they mainly do CYA.


Let me fix that for you...
By Motoman on 3/17/2010 12:53:39 PM , Rating: 4
...should be "DHS is a waste of taxpayer money."

No need for any extra qualifiers...like picking out just the IT department.




Government Report:
By JackNSally on 3/17/2010 10:36:19 AM , Rating: 2
General Government Mismanagement (From the Left and Right) is Wasting Taxpayer Money




What a shock!
By cmdrdredd on 3/17/2010 4:38:33 PM , Rating: 2
A government agency is wasting our money. No way! What is this world coming to?

In all seriousness is this really at all surprising to anyone?




Hardly News!
By blowfish on 3/17/2010 5:32:39 PM , Rating: 2
It's sad, but hardly surprising. The DHS is simply a bungling, money wasting bureaucratic nightmare. They put down very, very expensive taxpayer-funded elephant powder, then try to claim credit for the obvious absence of elephants.




By paydirt on 3/17/2010 1:07:27 PM , Rating: 1
This sounds like a way for the DHS to transfer money to the Navy so that it looks like Department of Homeland Security (with an unlimited budget) is spending the money while the Navy is saving money.




...but it's O.K.
By MadMan007 on 3/17/10, Rating: -1
RE: ...but it's O.K.
By zombiexl on 3/17/2010 9:32:12 AM , Rating: 5
Most right leaning people I know are against government waste of any type. The right and left extremist both seem to be idiots.

Just for fun (and fairness) I'll give you a leftist version of your statement.

We can't spend that money on security, we need it for welfare, SSI and other freebies to buy the votes of our constituents.


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By invidious on 3/17/2010 10:04:22 AM , Rating: 4
I would rather my tax dollars go to real security like the navy than to an imaginary security blanket like DHS.


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By zombiexl on 3/17/2010 10:21:52 AM , Rating: 3
I'd rather it go to intelligence. The navy is good if we know something is coming, but pretty inefficient if we don't.

DHS is a joke, i'll agree with that point. Too many intelligence agencies was the problem to begin with, so lets add another to make it better. DOH!


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By Reclaimer77 on 3/17/10, Rating: 0
RE: ...but it's O.K.
By GaryJohnson on 3/17/2010 10:33:55 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
It's a documented fact that the DHS has saved many lives and stopped attacks.

A link to the documentation?


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By zombiexl on 3/17/2010 10:37:17 AM , Rating: 5
Are you conservative or not? You cant have it both ways. You either want smaller government or bigger government, you cant have it both ways. There is no reason a simple law couldn't have been passed to override the law that Clinton signed.

You can't blame every problem on Democrats (or Republicans). The fact of the matter is they are both bought and paid for, the difference is who is buying them. The fact is Republicans controlled congress for a most of the Clinton and Bush administration. They could have fixed this, if they had cared about that more than getting handouts for their constituents.

I am all for trimming the fat (and redundancy) at ALL levels. But then again I am a conservative and not a republican drone.


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By Reclaimer77 on 3/17/10, Rating: -1
RE: ...but it's O.K.
By zombiexl on 3/17/2010 11:21:37 AM , Rating: 4
Funny thing is that I voted for Bush twice and McCain once. I am not a liberal, by any stretch of imagination and I've never heard that sentiment from a liberal. I think you need to turn off hannity, rush or whoever else or at least do some research yourself.

There is fat to be cut at all levels. If you've ever read any of my posts you would know that I am very much a small government capitalist. I don't believe in social programs or social engineering. I have major disagreements with republicans and democrats as neither party seems to care about the constitution.


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By adiposity on 3/17/2010 11:42:13 AM , Rating: 2
He's just an apologist. Arguing with him goes nowhere.


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By ekv on 3/17/2010 7:42:45 PM , Rating: 2
Personally, I'm a Conservative. I'm for smaller gov't. The purpose of gov't is to 1) defend the nation and 2) provide a level playing field.
quote:
There is no reason a simple law couldn't have been passed to override the law that Clinton signed.
That was my first thought when DHS was created. Why didn't they simply undo the stupid Gorelick fiasco? Then again, I doubt you know the in's and out's of Washington D.C. bureaucracy. I certainly don't.

Btw, for the record ...
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/mistress_of...
and also
First Strike: TWA Flight 800 and the Attack on America, by Cashill and Sanders

From my understanding, DHS was created to improve communication amongst intelligence agencies. There are a number of different databases -- "silos" if you will -- of information and every now and then it is good to share certain data with your neighbors. To say the least.
quote:
You can't blame every problem on Democrats (or Republicans).
I don't think he was. Reclaimer77 stated a specific situation, in this case. I can blame specific problems on specific situations. Like the Repub's spending too damn much over the time frame you mentioned. Fiscal insanity! But then they got their backside's just flat-out whooped in the last election cycle because of it. And justifiably. Similarly I can blame Clinton for creating a national security problem, since he appointed Gorelick.

If there is wasteful spending going on at DHS, or anywhere in gov't -- and there is www.cagw.org is all over it -- then it needs to stop. Those are my tax dollars. If it doesn't stop, then vote the bums out.


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By clovell on 3/17/2010 2:06:41 PM , Rating: 2
I suppose we're taking for granted that 'Naval Intelligence' is a misnomer?


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By MrDiSante on 3/17/2010 9:35:45 AM , Rating: 1
Not that I don't think waste isn't a big issue, but does it really matter if the DHS is overpaying the Army? It's like taking money out of the left pocket and putting in the right...


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By martinrichards23 on 3/17/2010 10:01:00 AM , Rating: 2
Its an inefficient use of resources.


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By Reclaimer77 on 3/17/10, Rating: -1
RE: ...but it's O.K.
By MadMan007 on 3/17/2010 10:24:35 AM , Rating: 2
Cool. I'll come rob you and expect that you won't go running to the police based on principal because they are so inefficient, omg!


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By GaryJohnson on 3/17/2010 10:35:44 AM , Rating: 5
Shooting a would-be robber is more cost effective than calling the police.


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By zombiexl on 3/17/2010 10:41:54 AM , Rating: 2
Not really. The police most likely would never catch the robber, but they would surely prosecute you for protecting your property and family.

So many tax dollars would be wasted on that trial and jailing you that it's definitely more cost effective to call the cops and have your insurance give you a payout.

:)


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By GaryJohnson on 3/17/2010 11:19:55 AM , Rating: 2
If I'm not going to go to the police because someone robbed me because I feel it's a waste of money, then I'm definately not going to tell them I shot the robber. It's more cost effective to bury the body in the backyard.


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By MrBlastman on 3/17/2010 10:45:25 AM , Rating: 2
Just make sure you don't miss and instead shoot him in the arm or leg causing a gaping bone/flesh wound. He can then sue you for pain and suffering and win a gigantic punitive judgement.


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By GaryJohnson on 3/17/2010 11:24:43 AM , Rating: 4
The standard failure-to-stop drill: two shots to the chest; assess; one shot to the head if needed.


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By MrBlastman on 3/17/2010 11:37:04 AM , Rating: 2
I typically prefer follow-through with the mozambique drill at the outset. Immediate double-shot to the chest with a quick tap to the head. Don't give them a chance to flinch later when you can take care of it now. :)

Heavier grain ammo also helps as well as hollow-points, though, if shooting .223, FMJ might be appropriate up-close using M193 ball ammo (5.56mm in this case) as fragmentation increases significantly at close range upon entry to the target.


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By Bruneauinfo on 3/17/2010 10:51:33 AM , Rating: 2
until you have to deal with all the legal crap.


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By Reclaimer77 on 3/17/10, Rating: -1
RE: ...but it's O.K.
By adiposity on 3/17/2010 11:24:09 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The US Postal Service is inefficient as HELL, but we still get our mail. Your confusing inefficiency with results.


The USPS is a private organization.

The only thing worse than government run services are govt. paid for services, provided by the private sector.


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By zombiexl on 3/17/2010 11:30:17 AM , Rating: 2
They are private, but heavily controlled by the government. If they want to close offices, they are usually not allowed to do so. When they wanted to cut Saturday service they weren't allowed to. I can probably come up with more examples.

This is what happens when the government regulates things without regard for cost and efficiency. Of course you don't need to worry about costs when you don't actually earn the money you are spending.


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By Reclaimer77 on 3/17/2010 11:46:37 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The USPS is a private organization.


LOL yeah right. I suppose GM is too huh ?


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By adiposity on 3/17/2010 1:17:49 PM , Rating: 2
Heh.

http://www.cagw.org/newsroom/waste-watcher/2009/fe...

At least the USPS is paying better than pure public organizations. :)


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By GaryJohnson on 3/17/2010 11:25:41 AM , Rating: 2
I pretty regularly don't get my mail.


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By zombiexl on 3/17/2010 11:32:00 AM , Rating: 2
Same here and at least once a week i get mangled mail.


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By stirfry213 on 3/17/2010 1:16:37 PM , Rating: 1
I was going to rate you down, because you're an idiot. However, your comment made me laugh. I might even use it soon to some poor unexpecting customer on the phone and wait for their responce! lol

quote:
...every time you argue with me I'm convinced you are a stark raving fucktard.


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By Reclaimer77 on 3/17/10, Rating: 0
RE: ...but it's O.K.
By docinct on 3/17/2010 10:38:57 AM , Rating: 2
Like private health care companies don't mismanage funds and payments because they claim they don't have enough staff (guess those expensive computer systems can't be programmed for screening hospital bills for $100 Tylenol pills or 50 IV saline bags for a quick in and out ER visit). We can of course ignore Medicare, Medicaid, military hospitals.


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By knutjb on 3/17/2010 12:20:26 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Like private health care companies don't mismanage funds and payments because they claim they don't have enough staff .

When a private health care companies goes under they go away and someone takes over that market share, please tell me of a health care company going under. States have over-site on them and require them to keep massive amounts of liquid assets to the tune of billions in reserve or they will get hammered and possibly kicked out of that states market. They have a profit margin of around 3%. Government on the other hand is highly proficient in taking more money without fixing the problem. Maybe Gov should take a lesson from them. Government cannot keep saying yes to everyone, the word "NO" must be returned to their vernacular or we will be broke very soon and then it WILL get ugly.
quote:
(guess those expensive computer systems can't be programmed for screening hospital bills for $100 Tylenol pills or 50 IV saline bags for a quick in and out ER visit)

If you look at the history of medicaid/medicare and the costs of supplies you will find that once government gets involved with "price controls" it skews the costs so doctors and hospitals look elsewhere to recoup those significant under payments. When you give away things for free the lines just get longer and the system breaks.

quote:
We can of course ignore Medicare, Medicaid, military hospitals.

There are only a couple military hospitals in the US, ALL the rest have been turned into clinics courtesy of congress.


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By sweatshopking on 3/17/2010 10:39:55 AM , Rating: 1
LOL at americans paying 2x as much as the rest of the developed world who have government run programs and having crappier health care. LOL @ you for being retarded.


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By MrBlastman on 3/17/2010 10:49:47 AM , Rating: 2
Crappier? I was able to shop doctors under my PPO when I had to have open heart surgery last year. If I was under Government-run healthcare I probably would have been put on a waiting list that set me a year back and then forced to take whatever doctor they would give me.

Instead, I was able to find the best of the best (one of the best in the world actually) and schedule them to do the surgery within a month or so's time. It was worth _every_ penny to be able to do so.


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By sweatshopking on 3/17/2010 11:13:10 AM , Rating: 3
higher child mortality, lower expected life expectancy, higher medication costs, higher rates of preventable diseases. im happy you had good successes i wouldnt want you to have poor heart care. but the fact is for your average person, you're system is inferior. you can argue that YOU have had luck. but the stats dont lie. you kill more kids, die sooner, and are fatter.


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By zombiexl on 3/17/2010 11:24:46 AM , Rating: 2
We're fatter because we have more money thats not stolen by our government (yet). :)

I'd love to see where you got your stats though, because I would question the majority of them.


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By Reclaimer77 on 3/17/2010 11:28:04 AM , Rating: 2
He's using the World Health Report ranking, which has already been exposed for being highly biased against the US because of the way other countries report, or fail to report, health statistics as accurate as the United States.

For example in France if your baby dies after 3 months, it's not reported as an infant death.

But honestly, who actually believes Chile has a better Health Care system than the United States ? Seriously, when is the last time you heard of someone going to South America because they couldn't get what they needed here ?


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By sweatshopking on 3/17/2010 12:40:10 PM , Rating: 1
biased? it is only biased in that it looks at the total population vs % of the population. there is no disputing that the US has some of the best facilities in the world, and some of the best doctors. However US expenditure health care was (2008) $2.4 trillion, and estimated to be $4.3 trillion by 2017. 46 million uninsured and another 25 million underinsured. 18% of US citizens can’t pay for medicines or health care their family needed in last 12 months (April, 2009).

In the US, one out of two bankruptcies, medical debt is the major factor (one bankruptcy every 20 seconds is attributable to medical/hospital debts). Insurance premiums in the US have risen 117% in the last 10 years. Health expenditures per capita: US $6,714; Canada $3,678; UK $2,260. Results: overall poor medical care and poorer medical outcomes in the US when compared to any other industrialized nation. For example, in Canada, the proportion of GDP devoted to health care is 10.0%. In the USA, the proportion is 15.3% and growing rapidly. Yet, Canadians outlive Americans by over 2 years. Americans are paying more and dying sooner under the current US system when compared to other industrialized nations.

so i don't agree, you give me some stats, and we'll go from there.


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By Reclaimer77 on 3/17/2010 12:50:10 PM , Rating: 2
Canada only has 30 million citizens. I'm tired of arguing on here as if they were relevant. They aren't.


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By sweatshopking on 3/17/2010 1:35:39 PM , Rating: 2
ha. i win. you lose. straight up.


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By BBeltrami on 3/17/2010 2:00:06 PM , Rating: 3
Canada?! Is that a joke? When you finish LOL at us Americans, tell us why Danny Williams came here for his surgery. Who do you think you're kidding?

We know that Health Care is 1/6th of the economy. It's that big because we USE it. From the time our mothers are pregnant with us until we get our last dose of morphine on our death beds, we visit medical practitioners of many varied specializations.

But there's a fundamental problem with your argument. It assumes ALL medical treatment is life saving or required.

For example, your prescription information has NOTHING to do with "medicines families need". That's blatant emotive nonsense. The top prescriptions in the US are for heartburn, cholesterol, asthma and erectile dysfunction. You over-dramatize, abusing peoples emotion with rhetoric. We pay more because we're choosing more elective treatments. Do you know how expensive Cialis is?! I know you really, really want to believe Americans are dying in the streets. But we're not.

We like getting laid until the day we die. We'd rather use a heartburn medication than give up our favorite foods. And we would choose to take a pill to control asthma symptoms rather than use an inhaler. These improve our quality of life. But none of them will kill me if they're lost. Yet you can't tell the difference!

You're an America-bashing propagandist who couldn't correctly identify bias if it walked up and slapped you.


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By knutjb on 3/17/2010 6:30:35 PM , Rating: 2
Plus--How much medical research is taking place in the socialized medicine world, some, but very little by comparison. Why does that matter?

-All the GAO reports of government mismanagement, look at the main story.
-$60B plus lost due to fraud in Medicare/Medicaid.
-Medicare/Medicaid has the highest claim denial rate that is more than 6X more than private insurance.
-Private insurance companies ARE solvent, the Government is nearing bankruptcy and has mishandled Social Security by spending it elsewhere AND never collecting more than they handout.
--sweatshopking you're buying into the misinformation on this subject. I have lived in Europe and it isn't what its cracked up to be. In the UK socialized medicine has such deep roots they can't even correct them and their medical system for that tiny country has more workers than our military. In France a couple years ago people died because so many doctors went on vacations in August peopled died.http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/2003-09-25-fr... read past the heatwave.


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By MrBlastman on 3/17/2010 11:31:36 AM , Rating: 5
The reason our medication costs are so high is because YOUR governments are forcing OUR drug manufacturers to jack up the drug prices HERE so they can be sold for next to nothing in Europe.

Your countries refuse to subsidize our R&D costs for these drugs and instead, the costs are passed on to our citizens. This is a huge problem and Washinton desperately needs to address it.

The same pill here might cost a dollar but overseas it is sold for .10. Something is wrong with that especially when the drug is made, designed and developed in our own country.

We don't kill kids either. My wife had premium service for our daughter while in pregnancy. We had multiple visits, ultrasounds, doctors available when we needed then and the service during the c-section and recovery was exemplary. We pay for a PPO that is no different than what many other Americans use.

Our pediatrician is excellent also. He has a 24/7 nursing line available to answer any and all questions, he can see us SAME DAY that we call, many times that morning and the best part is we see him, not a nurse practitioner when we come in. He was hand selected by us, the parents when we screened several pediatricians in our area prior to giving birth to our daughter.

I fail to see how our insurance is not working in this regard.

However, our insurance system is _not_ perfect. In the very least we need legislative reform passed on these companies of some sort to force them to be more efficient and diligent. This reform would also cover how hospitals operate and cover their costs but--should not remove private healthcare. It works here, it just needs to be oiled as it has gotten rusty in some areas.

As far as fatter--that is due to the typical American diet where they consume more fast food and eat out more often. Not all of us are fat slobs, some of us are quite slim and trim. It isn't up to our government to keep us from getting fat. It is up to parents to teach their children good eating habits.


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By gamerk2 on 3/17/2010 10:41:44 AM , Rating: 2
...Government ISNT running healthcare dope. Even what we do have, most of the costs are from paying the Insurance industry (over 1/3rd of medicare costs are payouts to insurance companies).

Government is as efficent as the people who run it. And we are supposed to vote those people in. But people keep voting in geniune idiots (Bachman and Co), so government is run by genuine idiots.


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By Kurz on 3/17/2010 2:25:42 PM , Rating: 2
As a Elected official stated, "We are not required to take an IQ test."

Still the government should not be managing anything other than what the founders deemed they should.


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By knutjb on 3/17/2010 12:33:35 PM , Rating: 2
Just more bait and switch from this administration and lefties can only point and say "they did it too!" As if pointing to BAD behavior justifies more BAD behavior.

Government IS inefficient and ONLY the Post Office and the MILITARY are required by the constitution. Why, because the rest of social responsibility belongs to the STATES. Those who want the Feds to run everything want what Europe has. If you think Europe's system is so wonderful live there for a while and experience it like I did. You will very likely change your opinion of Social Democracy once you learn how restrictive they really are. That "Social" part IS Socialism and its very taxing with severe limitations on what you can and can't do.


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By ET on 3/17/2010 10:27:32 AM , Rating: 2
It's DHS paying to the navy, saving costs to the navy. Since both presumably get the money from the government, is there any net waste?


RE: ...but it's O.K.
By hiscross on 3/17/10, Rating: 0
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