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  (Source: Photo by Gordon Freeman)

  (Source: Photo by Gordon Freeman)
Built before England's Stonehenge and Egyptian Pyramids?

A new book that was recently published claims that ancient North American natives used a series of stones and rocks, stretching over 30 square kilometers, as an ancient calendar to mark the changing of seasons and the phases of the lunar cycle.

A manmade pile of stones lies at the center of the site, which is surrounded by 28 radiating stone lines. Four of those stone lines line up in the cardinal directions from the central cairn.

There are also secondary cairns on nearby hills and rock formations that appear to correspond to constellations. Sunrise and sunsets on both the summer solstice and winter solstice line up with v-shaped notches in the rocks. The longest day of the year occurs on the summer solstice, while the shortest day of the year occurs on the winter solstice.

Intriguingly, the formation has been dated back approximately 5,000 years, which would make it 2,500 years older than England's Stonehenge.

The site, approximately 70 kilometers from Calgary, Alberta, was partially excavated in 1971.

The book was written by Gordon Freeman, a retired professor who was previously Chairman of the University of Alberta's Physical and Theoretical Chemistry department. He holds an M.A. from the University of Saskatchewan, a Ph.D. from McGill University, and a D.Phil. from Oxford University. Doctor Freeman has published over 450 papers on chemistry, physics, and various other subjects.

The 78 year old has been studying the site for the last 28 years, ever since he first visited the site in 1980.

In the book, Freeman discusses other discoveries he has made from applying his techniques and theories to other similar sites, such as Stonehenge itself, Preseli Mountain in southwestern Wales, and Fajada Butte in Chaco Canyon, New Mexico.

The book is titled "Canada's Stonehenge: Astounding Archaeological Discoveries in Canada, England, and Wales", and is published by Kingsley Publishing, ISBN 978-0-978-4526-1-2.



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Great
By JasonMick (blog) on 2/2/2009 9:07:05 AM , Rating: 5
Oh crap here comes the interdimensional gateways, headcrabs and combine soldiers...

Oh well, at least Dr. Gordon Freeman will take them all out in the end.




RE: Great
By UltraWide on 2/2/2009 9:12:01 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
The 78 year old has


We are in trouble then... unless he is uncommonly fit.


RE: Great
By MrBlastman on 2/2/2009 9:31:51 AM , Rating: 5
I guess when they boosted the anti-mass spectrometer to 105%, and took a bit of a gamble needing the extra resolution, the phase-mass array reversed the spin polarity aging him a bit in the transport...


RE: Great
By therealnickdanger on 2/2/09, Rating: -1
RE: Great
By JazzMang on 2/2/09, Rating: -1
RE: Great
By FaceMaster on 2/2/2009 3:06:41 PM , Rating: 3
The G-Man can transport him through time and space.

Strangely enough, (G)ordon free(MAN) = G-Man ? HMMMMMMM


RE: Great
By Borkil on 2/2/09, Rating: 0
RE: Great
By FaceMaster on 2/2/2009 7:42:25 PM , Rating: 4
You mean

quote:
So is it all coming to a huge end after Episode III? Lombardi: We're gonna wrap it all up, put a bow on it - the G-Man is Gordon's father... it's all good.
?

Don't you detect a hint of humour from that statement? Do you really think they would give away such a plot twist before the game's released?

This is how most rumours are made- from people who fail to realise when the source is being serious or not. Not that I'm calling you stupid, perhaps you're just joking about it being real or something- but it's better to be safe than sorry.


RE: Great
By ThePooBurner on 2/4/2009 3:49:25 PM , Rating: 2
I agree. The context makes it screamingly obvious that it is a StarWars joke.


RE: Great
By FaceMaster on 2/2/2009 7:45:52 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
We are in trouble then... unless he is uncommonly fit.


Gordon Freeman is uncommonly fit. Meow!


RE: Great
By SlipDizzy on 2/2/2009 9:12:12 AM , Rating: 5
All he needs is a crowbar and we'll be fine. Nothing to see here.


RE: Great
By PogoThePrez on 2/2/2009 9:14:19 AM , Rating: 2
Someone get this man an hev suit..... and a gluon gun while yer at it.


RE: Great
By Bender 123 on 2/2/2009 9:18:29 AM , Rating: 5
Must be a different Gordon Freeman...This one does science stuff and the other one, despite his degrees, just pushes crates around.


RE: Great
By monomer on 2/2/2009 5:38:54 PM , Rating: 2
If you had every wanted to know what Freeman thought about all the crate shoving:

Freeman's Mind: http://www.machinima.com/film/view&id=23919


RE: Great
By xeutonmojukai on 2/6/2009 5:13:36 PM , Rating: 2
Oh yes! My favorite HL video series, without a doubt.

It's funny, I'm taking classes on ancient art, and now I can teach my professor about this! XD


RE: Great
By pwndcake on 2/2/2009 8:26:53 PM , Rating: 2
Don't forget about flipping switches and plugging in things. That MIT education really paid for itself.


RE: Great
By Dreifort on 2/2/09, Rating: 0
RE: Great
By vbNetGuy on 2/2/2009 10:00:23 AM , Rating: 5
Oh No, no, no - You mean Climate Crisis


RE: Great
By jay401 on 2/2/2009 10:19:15 AM , Rating: 2
Today's latest weather headlines:

Britain buried: Heaviest snow in 20 years...

Heathrow closes...


RE: Great
By dj LiTh on 2/2/2009 11:06:10 AM , Rating: 5
Nothing a little global warming wont fix.


RE: Great
By Dreifort on 2/2/2009 12:22:16 PM , Rating: 1
I think Al Gore would like to be the G-Man in HL2. Sadly, that role has been taken by someone else just recently.


RE: Great
By Kibbles on 2/2/2009 1:44:16 PM , Rating: 3
Welcome to City 17. It was safer here.


RE: Great
By ryan023 on 2/2/2009 9:51:42 PM , Rating: 2
Mnajdra and Hagar Qim in Malta date back 3600BC. beat that (5600 years old)


RE: Great
By Mojo the Monkey on 2/5/2009 1:10:20 PM , Rating: 2
I'm impressed? your wikipedia skills are astounding. Mnajdra fanboy.

The point of interest in this article is WHERE this was taking place in the world.


Sure he is old....
By aguilpa1 on 2/2/2009 12:48:25 PM , Rating: 2
Yea he's old but its all about the suit, so long as he has the suit he can handle it.




RE: Sure he is old....
By justinmcg67 on 2/2/2009 2:26:29 PM , Rating: 2
HEV can take on ANYTHING, except large pools of green boiling acid...anything but the acid.

More on topic though. I don't understand the "OMG STONEHEDGE!" thing. It's a bunch of rocks, lined up, making a calendar. Hooptie-damn-do. STONES! LINED UP! =/ My little brother plays with rocks and what not all the time, makes some crafty stuff sometimes, but in the end...they're just rocks.


RE: Sure he is old....
By Bubbacub on 2/2/2009 5:48:19 PM , Rating: 4
dude those rocks were dragged/carried over 100 miles from wales to the southwest of england with stone age technology. it is actually really amazing when you try and think what cultural and social factors motivated the rulers of the day to undertake such a massive engineering project. your attitude is really quite puerile. do you regard the pyramids as just a pile of rocks, the great wall of china - just lots of little rocks. was the apollo program just a big firework?

you have to assess human endeavour in terms of the effort and resources given at the time. building stone henge at the time was a lot harder then than putting up a ridiculously tall skyscraper now.


RE: Sure he is old....
By masher2 (blog) on 2/2/2009 6:09:11 PM , Rating: 4
> "building stone henge at the time was a lot harder then than putting up a ridiculously tall skyscraper now"

I wouldn't go that far. A 25 ton rock can be moved rather easily by 20-odd people, if they have it on logs or some other rolling platform. As for the distance, some theories have the bluestones coming from just a few miles away, carried most of the way by glaciation, rather than human effort.

A structure like the Great Wall or the modern-day Burj Dubai skyscraper, now, is an enormous human undertaking...but I don't think Stonehenge really compares to these.


RE: Sure he is old....
By Bubbacub on 2/3/2009 4:07:12 AM , Rating: 2
yeah, but thats a newish one. i think the accepted mainstream thought is that the blue stone was dragged down from wales. who knows if they had even figured out that you can carry big rocks on logs - it is the first step to discovering the wheel - the aztecs hadn't figured that one out even 4000 years later


RE: Sure he is old....
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 2/3/2009 11:52:42 AM , Rating: 2
I’ve been to Stone Henge. There is a lot more to it then the photos show. About a third of the stone is in the ground, or was - as tourist walk by they are slowly removing dirt (their shoes pick it up). This is why you can not walk up to the stones any more – I was lucky enough to go before they started limiting you on where you could go. You must remember those monster sized stones where also very neatly placed on top of multiple stones. Raising those stones would be much harder then moving them... It was built well enough that no damage was caused by any weather elements. The reason it is not whole today is because local towns’ people a couple hundred years back were given permission to take down the stones to cut up and build their new homes – because it was the nearest source of stone. I might add there are no homes or towns near there (viewable from that location). So, the town people had a long hall too.
I seem to remember reading about or being told there are cut marks in the ground from the weight of the stones being dragged across the ground from starting from where they were cut hundreds of miles away to where they were placed.

However, I agree with you a modern skyscraper is still a greater undertaking.


RE: Sure he is old....
By afkrotch on 2/5/2009 10:13:06 AM , Rating: 2
Built well enough? It's a bunch of like 25 ton stones. Not like weather in England is gonna move them at all. Biggest weather threat in that portion of England is what? Fog?


RE: Sure he is old....
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 2/5/2009 10:48:17 AM , Rating: 2
rain, lots and lots of rain. Also get pretty windy, so hard driving rain...


RE: Sure he is old....
By erple2 on 2/11/2009 6:31:35 PM , Rating: 2
Yawn. Newgrange is more impressive in my view.

However, moving the 25 ton rock is very hard to do when you lack the modern conveniences of mathematics and geometry, things that didn't exist back then.

It never fails to amaze me that people today judge the capabilities of peoples from the past, and ignore the tens or hundreds or thousands of years of technological advances that we've benefited from.

The technology and engineering that people had 5000+ years ago was "laughable" by today's standards. Some things are impressive, but only taken in the context of the time period. But that's what makes them impressive. But that's just it. Constructing something like Newgrange or Stonehenge is on the order of magnitude of constructing a tall skyscraper today - it represents the pinnacle of technological and engineering advances at the time. We have the benefit of things like "writing". And an idea that there aren't mythical forces that shape everything around us. We can take measurements, and have mathematical models of how things match up in nature (like the elliptical orbit of the earth around the sun) to dictate when such events occur, and where and what angles and etc etc etc.


Freeman...
By Moishe on 2/2/2009 9:17:34 AM , Rating: 2
I thought this was something about Half Life...

Frankly I bet that's an interesting book but it would take reading it to convince me that the rocks lined up and made what he thinks it makes. There is too much chaos there and I've seen people make something out of nothing (finding patterns in nature) enough times to be skeptical.




RE: Freeman...
By bubba551 on 2/2/09, Rating: -1
RE: Freeman...
By Moishe on 2/2/2009 10:14:16 AM , Rating: 2
I don't suppose you have anything worthwhile to say?

I actually tried to stay on topic.


RE: Freeman...
By waffle911 on 2/3/2009 3:37:29 AM , Rating: 2
Note the section header above the headline reads "Software." I thought I was reading about a fictitious finding that was going to play a significant role somehow in the upcoming Half-Life. Then I realized the inference to the other Gordon Freeman was a joke and moved on.


RE: Freeman...
By bubba551 on 2/3/2009 9:41:53 AM , Rating: 3
Sorry you didn't get the joke (and rated me down). You must be the life of the party.

Google "half life in 60 seconds" for the reference.


Left out of the article...
By masher2 (blog) on 2/2/2009 10:23:15 AM , Rating: 1
...is the fact that archeologists consider this "Stonehenge" to be just another medicine wheel. And despite what the title suggests, this site isn't a recent discovery, it's been known about for many decades.

The entire thing reads a bit like the old "Chariot of the Gods" debacle, in which a single quack managed to drum up belief that ancient glyphs in Peru were really made by space-travelling aliens.




RE: Left out of the article...
By omnicronx on 2/2/2009 11:28:34 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
...is the fact that archeologists consider this "Stonehenge" to be just another medicine wheel.
Which is more than likely.. There are medicine wheels all over the place in the prairies. That being said, medicine wheels are far more than the name would suggest, as the majority of archeologists would agree that they probably had more to do with astronomical events, rather than medical rituals. This draws some close similarities to Stone Henge.


RE: Left out of the article...
By werepossum on 2/2/2009 10:36:20 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
by masher2 on February 2, 2009 at 10:23 AM
SNIP
The entire thing reads a bit like the old "Chariot of the Gods" debacle, in which a single quack managed to drum up belief that ancient glyphs in Peru were really made by space-travelling aliens.

What? They weren't made by space-traveling aliens? YOU TAKE THAT BACK!

If it's Canadian Stonehenge, at least we know why this one was built - because the Queen told them to build it. /SP


Around the same age as Stonehenge.
By psychobriggsy on 2/2/2009 9:23:58 AM , Rating: 2
Given that Stonehenge was started around 3100 BC (see stonehenge.co.uk) which makes it 5100 years old, how can this article claim that it is only 2500 years old? Even the current Stonehenge was completed 3500 years ago, and that was only a rearrangement of stones laid 4000 years ago.




By omnicronx on 2/2/2009 9:46:17 AM , Rating: 3
The article is wrong in saying it only 2500 years old, but scientists debate when the first stone was laid. Recent studies show the first stone probably was not erected until 2200-2400BC. There was a claim that the site was originally used as a burial ground and the circular earth on which it lays is up to 5100 years old, but most scientists today agree the first stones were probably laid somewhere around 4500 years ago making the Alberta location older if it truly is 5000 years old.


Stonehenge
By Aylett on 2/2/2009 6:32:34 PM , Rating: 2
I can't see how something 'that dates back 5,000 years' is 2,500 years older than Stonehenge? Stonehenge began as an earthwork 5,000 years ago - and the stone structure itself is around 4,500 years old. Google 'Solving Stonehenge' for more info.




RE: Stonehenge
By afkrotch on 2/5/2009 10:18:06 AM , Rating: 2
Who the hell cares? If a plane crashed into Stone Henge and completely destroys it, the world would keep moving. Whether it was 5000 years old or not.


before stonehenge...
By jlips6 on 2/2/2009 11:25:44 PM , Rating: 3
nobody even knew what a henge was.




inevitable joke
By spuddyt on 2/2/2009 6:21:39 PM , Rating: 2
I wonder if he's the right man, but in the wrong place?




By Seemonkeyscanfly on 2/3/2009 12:07:45 PM , Rating: 1
OK, how do they know it was man made? Where they there, I think not. Maybe it’s an old Dinosaur game… Like bocce ball, marbles or jacks would be to us. I’m not saying that’s what it is, just keeping an open mind. I mean who’s knows maybe they had a good game of bocce ball going when the Asteroid hit burning up the dinosaurs and left the game pieces where they lied… It was just luck that the stones line up for a calendar.

Got to think outside the box once in a while….. :P




stonehenge?
By Dreifort on 2/2/09, Rating: -1
RE: stonehenge?
By Oxonium on 2/2/2009 9:59:06 AM , Rating: 5
This is just Scott messing with us. Scott's a dick.


RE: stonehenge?
By Dreifort on 2/2/2009 10:04:55 AM , Rating: 2
apparently no SP fans - so they rate you down. :(


RE: stonehenge?
By omnicronx on 2/2/09, Rating: -1
RE: stonehenge?
By Diesel Donkey on 2/2/2009 10:33:55 AM , Rating: 1
Not true. There are at least two SP fans here, including the OP and myself. And, judging by the fact that about half of the articles posted on DT are accompanied by South Park images, I think there are probably more of us!


RE: stonehenge?
By TheFace on 2/2/2009 11:07:52 AM , Rating: 1
There sure are some SP fans here pal...


RE: stonehenge?
By PhoenixKnight on 2/2/2009 11:22:45 PM , Rating: 2
There also seem to be some SP Haters who are rating us all down for merely mentioning South Park.


RE: stonehenge?
By omnicronx on 2/2/2009 11:32:25 AM , Rating: 1
I was joking ;) I was merely telling him why he got rated down. I love south park, even with their disdain towards Canadians ;)


RE: stonehenge?
By PhoenixKnight on 2/2/09, Rating: -1
RE: stonehenge?
By omnicronx on 2/2/2009 10:05:06 AM , Rating: 1
Fail..


RE: stonehenge?
By mmntech on 2/2/2009 3:21:22 PM , Rating: 2
We were working on building a second road but then there was the strike. I still haven't spent my Benigans coupons since apparently there's no Benigans in Canada. I blame the Danes. ;)


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