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The Big Bang Theory's Kunal Nayyar wearing Google Glass
Google offers some valuable tips to Google Glass users in the Explorer program

Google is out to make its Glass smart glasses the next big thing in wearable tech, but recognizes that the "Glassholes" -- users who are rude, creepy, invasive or smug with their Glass device -- could ruin the future for its high-tech specs. 

That's why Google has prepared a guide for those participating in the Glass Explorer program, where users apply for a pair of Glass, and if accepted by Google, pay a hefty fee of $1,500 to try them out ahead of everyone else. 

Google made the purpose of its guide clear: if those in the Glass Explorer program act like Glassholes now, people and businesses won't want to buy them or allow them in their establishments in the future. And that's a problem for Google. 

Here are a few of Google's list of do's for wearing Google Glass:
  • Explore the world around you. Glass puts you more in control of your technology and frees you to look up and engage with the world around you rather than look down and be distracted from it. Have a hangout with your friends, get walking directions to a fantastic new restaurant, or get an update on that delayed flight.
  • Take advantage of the Glass voice commands. Glass can free your hands up to do other things like golfing, cooking, or juggling flaming torches while balancing on a beach ball (but also see Don’ts #2). This is great for looking up how many ounces in a cup while you cook, or taking a one-of-a-kind photo from your unique perspective.
  • Ask for permission. Standing alone in the corner of a room staring at people while recording them through Glass is not going to win you any friends (see Don’ts #4). The Glass camera function is no different from a cell phone so behave as you would with your phone and ask permission before taking photos or videos of others.
Now, more importantly, some of the don'ts:
  • Glass-out. Glass was built for short bursts of information and interactions that allow you to quickly get back to doing the other things you love. If you find yourself staring off into the prism for long periods of time you’re probably looking pretty weird to the people around you. So don’t read War and Peace on Glass. Things like that are better done on bigger screens.
  • Be creepy or rude (aka, a “Glasshole”). Respect others and if they have questions about Glass don’t get snappy. Be polite and explain what Glass does and remember, a quick demo can go a long way. In places where cell phone cameras aren’t allowed, the same rules will apply to Glass. If you’re asked to turn your phone off, turn Glass off as well. Breaking the rules or being rude will not get businesses excited about Glass and will ruin it for other Explorers.
Google has good reason to worry about Glass users. Certain behavior while wearing Glass has caused a couple of issues in recent months, such as landing a California woman a ticket for wearing the glasses while driving. She later managed to beat the ticket.

Later, Seattle-based diner Lost Lake Cafe & Lounge released it's official policy on Google Glass via Facebook after a customer refused to stop using the device in the diner. The restaurant is concerned that Google Glass wearers will take photos or videos of other customers without consent. The customer was asked to leave, and Google Glass was banned from the restaurant.  

Despite these hiccups, Google can rest easy knowing that adoption of the device is still taking off in certain areas. Earlier this month, it was reported that the NYPD had acquired a batch of the smart glasses for patrol and investigative purposes. 

Virgin Atlantic is also using Google Glass for serving its upper class passengers at London Heathrow airport.

Source: Google



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Recording light
By kamk44 on 2/19/2014 10:23:21 AM , Rating: 3
Why not put a little light on it that lets people know you are recording?




RE: Recording light
By FaaR on 2/19/2014 10:39:55 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, so unstable people can get irate and punch the glass user in the face when they see the little red dot glowing? (Don't say it'll never happen because you know it will.)

There are downsides and disadvantages with basically any piece of technology, be it a flintstone axe to wearable computers with built-in screens and cameras. Not everything is correctable with a quick-and-easy fix; most problems are due to user behavior, so that's where the real fix will have to first originate.

Besides, a LED can be covered up with a bit of tape, nail polish or whatever, so it wouldn't really solve anything anyway if someone really wanted to surrepticiously perv on you...


RE: Recording light
By MrBlastman on 2/19/14, Rating: -1
RE: Recording light
By Reclaimer77 on 2/19/2014 2:27:25 PM , Rating: 4
Who died and made you king of a public park? So taking pictures of kids is pedophile bahavior now? There's tons of legitimate reasons he could have had. What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

The guy was probably so intimidated by your insane hostility that he couldn't even explain himself. Way to go vigilante, you saved the park from the school newspaper photographer!

See? This is the kind of rampant paranoid Luddite mentality I'm talking about! Pedophiles are going to be using Google Glass, they must be stopped... Just wtf man.


RE: Recording light
By MrBlastman on 2/19/14, Rating: -1
RE: Recording light
By AlphaVirus on 2/19/2014 2:47:42 PM , Rating: 2
Seriously I agree with you Reclaimer.

Perfect example was last weekend was the first good day (perfect weather) in a very long time. So I went to the park with my bike and camera. I rode around taking pictures of the scenery, waters, animals, and people. I have one shot where two dads were walking and a group of kids were chasing after them. I thought this was one of my best shots because it showed the wonders of being a parent.

Another point in my photo shoot was at the playground and I captured a few pictures of kids swinging and parents interacting in various ways. In this I wanted to capture happiness.

If someone would've approached me with hostility I would've froze up and became nervous lol.


RE: Recording light
By MrBlastman on 2/19/14, Rating: 0
RE: Recording light
By Reclaimer77 on 2/19/2014 3:51:42 PM , Rating: 4
I'm sorry but unless you're leaving something out, there is simply nothing in your story to indicate you were justified for harassing someone in a public place for taking pictures.

And the fact that you jumped STRAIGHT to "pedophilia" tells me this is coming from a dark place inside you. Not anything anyone else was doing.

You do NOT have a right to not have your picture taken in public.

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There's a big difference between innocent and suspicious behavior.


How many people have been murdered by police officers for looking "suspicious" when it turned out they were completely innocent? And these are professionally trained people. You think YOUR judgement here was any better?

I'm a gun owner with a concealed and carry license. And let me tell you, if I showed judgement as poor as you, I would probably be in a jail. You have NO right to act against someone for looking suspicious when no clear crime, or harm to you and your persons, have been established.

I guess these are the works of pedophiles too...

https://www.google.com/search?q=kids+playing+in+th...


RE: Recording light
By inighthawki on 2/19/2014 4:02:09 PM , Rating: 3
Reclaimer, It's obvious you're a pedophile for searching google images for those keywords. Who would ever do that? I will report you to the police for such suspicious behavior.

</sarcasm> just in case.


RE: Recording light
By MrBlastman on 2/19/2014 4:25:59 PM , Rating: 2
I'll damn well act if I want to, thank you very much. My child is mine. If I see someone around that I believe is doing something "funny," I'll ask them to stop.

Don't like it? Don't come near me. :)

quote:
And the fact that you jumped STRAIGHT to "pedophilia" tells me this is coming from a dark place inside you. Not anything anyone else was doing.


I don't know where you are going with this. Spit it out and tell us how you really feel.

quote:
How many people have been murdered by police officers for looking "suspicious" when it turned out they were completely innocent? And these are professionally trained people. You think YOUR judgement here was any better?


I'm not a cop. I'm a concerned parent that confronted a creep who was not only bothering my own family, but everyone else on the playground, too.

The multiple "thanks" I got from other parents was satisfaction enough.

quote:
I'm a gun owner with a concealed and carry license.


And so am I. Not once did I show a weapon, threaten with a weapon or insinuate any force other than, "Leave or I'll call the police." That's proper procedure as far as I'm concerned.

Poor judgement would be ignoring it and pretending we live in a land full of fairies and unicorns.

Also, a second use of this quote:

quote:
And these are professionally trained people.


That made me laugh, really hard. All the training in the world can't compensate for a lack of intelligence. Just because someone is "trained," doesn't mean they will use poor judgement due to inadequate mental facilities.

If you sit around and keep your mouth shut you should expect what your actions dictate--nothing.

Reclaimer, you obviously aren't a family man. You don't understand the responsibility that falls on your shoulders when you become a parent. Especially the parent of a little girl. You won't understand this until you become one.


RE: Recording light
By MrBlastman on 2/19/2014 4:27:26 PM , Rating: 1
Lastly, how many playgrounds have you frequented, lately?

There's sort of an un-spoken eitquette among parents. There are things you do and don't do around other people's kids. Hiding in the corners of a playground taking pictures of kids that aren't yours is one of them.


RE: Recording light
By seraphim1982 on 2/20/2014 12:05:58 PM , Rating: 2
I think he's forgetting about the word "PUBLIC" in public park.

I'm disagreeing with you Blastman, but Reclaimer has a great point. It is a public park and he has just the same right you to be there.

Because you are an overprotective parent, it doesn't give you the right to verbally threaten people. WTF do you think photographers do on the weekend, sit inside on a nice day.... no they go to park and PUBLIC places where they take pictures and that isn't a crime. You are definitely insinuating that what this photographer could have been pedo and was only taking pictures of children, you then act like a vigilante and verbally threatened him. In a court of law you would be the one being charged.

Thanks!


RE: Recording light
By MrBlastman on 2/20/2014 12:30:56 PM , Rating: 3
Sorry. Taking pictures of other people's children without asking their parents permission first on a playground is forbidden. Especially by creepy 20-something males. This is how it is in my community and how it will always be.

You'll never understand until you have children.

The dude was specifically taking pictures of just the little children on the playground.

quote:
you then act like a vigilante and verbally threatened him.


Telling him to leave is not a threat. Telling him I'll call the cops is not a threat. That is a promise. I would have.

There is no charge for calling the cops on suspicious behavior. None. Maybe in the fascist Northeast there is, but in Georgia, there is not.

Nothing anyone says here will change my mind or any of the parents in my community. We are very protective of our children, keep a close watch on everyone else's kids and there have been repeated instances of molesters and pedos stalking and in rare cases, actually abusing our kids.


RE: Recording light
By inighthawki on 2/20/2014 11:43:28 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Sorry. Taking pictures of other people's children without asking their parents permission first on a playground is forbidden

Sorry. No it's not.

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You'll never understand until you have children.

You're right. If I had children I may have reacted the same way you did, but the fact that I don't gives me the rational state of mind to think about it logically. In all fairness, nobody here except you was there to know every exact detail that happened. You could easily be leaving out details (intentionally or on purpose) that could shed a different perspective on things.

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Telling him to leave is not a threat. Telling him I'll call the cops is not a threat. That is a promise. I would have.

Telling him to leave may not be a thread, but telling him you'll call the cops absolutely is. A threat does not need to imply physical injury.


RE: Recording light
By Murloc on 2/21/2014 9:26:27 AM , Rating: 2
if he was innocent, calling the cops on him would have no effect.
So it's not a threat unless the guy is actually a pedo.

Also in my country you can't take pictures of people without permission.

In most countries in the world taking pics of kids without asking for permission beforehand is NOT normal, it's okay if people end up in your pic while you're taking a pic of something else though.


RE: Recording light
By inighthawki on 2/21/2014 11:22:52 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
if he was innocent, calling the cops on him would have no effect.

I gave some reason in another post why it can still be and issue: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=34359...

quote:
So it's not a threat unless the guy is actually a pedo.

Threatening to call the cops is a threat regardless of whether or not the person is a criminal. In fact people do it all the time and threaten to call the cops on innocent people. Most normal people don't want to deal with a cop questioning them so they move on. I would certainly have done the same as the guy in question if you threaten to call the cops on me for taking pictures. I tend to be a more passive person, and certainly don't want to start a fight with some aggressor coming up and threatening me like that without knowing what I was doing.

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In most countries in the world taking pics of kids without asking for permission beforehand is NOT normal

Well, this isn't most countries then. The law is the law. And in the US, it is legal to take a person's picture in public with or without their permission. You cannot try to warp the situation into something bad simply because behavior is defined differently elsewhere in the world.


RE: Recording light
By MrBlastman on 2/21/2014 9:43:21 AM , Rating: 3
I can't be prosecuted for telling someone I'll call the cops on them, either.

They might sue me in civil court (for what I don't know), but that's about as far as it will go.

Ask before you click. That's all you have to do. Children are below the age of majority so they have in no way the mental facilities nor the legal consent ability to authorize you to take pictures of them. See, they are special. Unlike other adults, objects or things... Children are under custodianship of their parents. Their parents are legally responsible to watch over them, provide for them and keep them safe.

These days, the courts are prosecuting Parents for increasingly absurd things. What you as a single (or married) without kids person might fail to realize is us Parents have a heightened sense of responsibility.

Show some respect. Ask before you click.


RE: Recording light
By inighthawki on 2/21/2014 11:13:35 AM , Rating: 2
I do have respect for you as a parent. In fact I even said above in your position I may have done the same. I just disagree that it is the correct way to handle the situation.

quote:
so they have in no way the mental facilities nor the legal consent ability to authorize you to take pictures of them

This is the key point of this entire discussion, though. You don't have to get authorization from anyone to do this, even adults. So regardless of whether or not they have the ability to understand what's happening, there is nothing inherently bad or illegal about it.


RE: Recording light
By MrBlastman on 2/21/2014 1:39:35 PM , Rating: 2
The bad is not showing others respect and asking beforehand. That's the bad. It isn't a legal issue so much as an etiquette one. By failing to show proper etiquette, it could eventually turn into a legal one when the cops get involved.

I don't know any other way to handle a situation like this. You could chose to:

1. Walk away and ignore it
2. Stand up and say something

If you ignore it, if there is no crime then no big deal. If there is a crime--then you have done nothing to prevent one.

If you stand up and say something, if there is no crime, then no big deal. If there is a crime, then hooray.

So the way I see it at least, the second choice yields the most positive benefits in any situation with the least negative consequences. Cops should always be a last resort (as we the people can police ourselves).


RE: Recording light
By inighthawki on 2/21/2014 5:49:17 PM , Rating: 2
There is no issue with saying something, but I disagree with your approach of threatening to call the police if he didn't leave, since you had no evidence that he was doing anything wrong.

The issue with this entire debate is that you were the only one there, so no matter how accurately you [believe you] explain the situation, nobody can have a clear picture of the situation. You say he was acting suspiciously, yet based on descriptions he didn't sound that bad. But if I were there, maybe I would've seen what you meant, and agreed.


RE: Recording light
By Reclaimer77 on 2/19/2014 5:26:58 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Reclaimer, you obviously aren't a family man. You don't understand the responsibility that falls on your shoulders when you become a parent. Especially the parent of a little girl. You won't understand this until you become one.


That guy was taking pictures! This is no-way constitutes a threat to you or your little girl or anyone else.

Wtf, of course I have people in my life I care about. This has nothing to do with that.

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"Leave or I'll call the police." That's proper procedure as far as I'm concerned.


No, that was actually completely unacceptable. He had just as much right to be there as you.

I would like to think if I had a daughter, I wouldn't walk up to every random person using an electronic device and get in their face over it...


RE: Recording light
By MrBlastman on 2/19/2014 5:32:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I would like to think if I had a daughter, I wouldn't walk up to every random person using an electronic device and get in their face over it...


I don't either, doofus. [insert chauvenist comment here] "Your wife/gf/whoever must be on the rag today because you woke up on the wrong side of the bed."

This dude was the only person I've ever done that to. Something didn't seem right. I have no regrets.


RE: Recording light
By Reclaimer77 on 2/19/2014 5:40:05 PM , Rating: 2
Look Blast, I like you, I don't wanna make this personal.

Your opening made it seem like you would feel overtly hostile to anyone with Google Glass in public. Your 'pedophile' tie-in, only enhanced that.

If I misread you, I totally apologize.


RE: Recording light
By MrBlastman on 2/19/2014 9:32:07 PM , Rating: 2
NP man. :) :)

Yes, you misread me completely. I'm not hostile to any Glass users nor would I be. The only thing I hope people consider is using restraint and respecting others while in public.

If someone doesn't want to be recorded, the Glass/phone/whoever should gracefully bow down and turn off the camera.

No need for violence. :)


RE: Recording light
By nafhan on 2/19/2014 4:46:30 PM , Rating: 2
HE'S TAKING PICTURES OF KIDS AND HE'S A MAN WITHOUT KIDS THAT CAN ONLY MEAN ONE THING!!!!!

This kind of thinking makes me sad. I'm a man with kids, and I worry that someone with this type of thought process is going to get me in trouble one day. Not because I've done anything wrong, but because I'm somewhat awkward and male and often around children. With this type of accusation, you're guilty until proven innocent regardless of what the law says. I'd appreciate it as a fellow human being if you'd stop calling people pedophiles.


RE: Recording light
By MrBlastman on 2/19/2014 4:50:59 PM , Rating: 2
So what about the other parents that were freaked out about it, too?

I wasn't the only one there. What is your response to that?

It isn't like I was alone in my thinking that afternoon. On the contrary, I wasn't, at all.


RE: Recording light
By Reclaimer77 on 2/19/2014 5:21:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
So what about the other parents that were freaked out about it, too?


Oh well I take everything back, that totally makes it okay. Because if there's one thing we've learned from history, it's that group-think is awesome.

/s


RE: Recording light
By MrBlastman on 2/19/2014 5:24:43 PM , Rating: 3
So you'd rather ignore it and pretend everything is okay? Ignorance is bliss. Sleep on, brother!


RE: Recording light
By Reclaimer77 on 2/19/14, Rating: 0
RE: Recording light
By MrBlastman on 2/19/2014 5:33:08 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
but it didn't do squat.


It got him away from our kids. Problem solved. I was the park hero that day and everyone there said it.


RE: Recording light
By bigboxes on 2/19/2014 8:44:35 PM , Rating: 2
Sounds like you were the park bully. I'm guessing you pick your marks.


RE: Recording light
By nafhan on 2/20/2014 11:16:02 AM , Rating: 2
As a parent, I might have said something to the guy too.

I just don't like the guilty until proven innocent mentality being displayed here.

Taking pictures in public does not make one a criminal, and likewise politiely asking someone not to is fine and probably reasonable in this case.


RE: Recording light
By invidious on 2/19/2014 5:14:39 PM , Rating: 3
Just because someone hasn't committed a crime yet doesn't mean that witnesses have to stand by and watch the crime happen without intervening. There is plenty of room within the law for witnesses to prevent a suspicious individual from committing a crime without violating the suspect's rights.

There is nothing harassing about asking someone what they are doing when they are in a public space. If the guy panicked when asked what he was doing then he was probably doing something he shouldn't have been. That doesn't make him legally guilty of anything, but it does mean that non-violent intervention is completely warranted. Blast did what any responsible parent should. And he didn't do anything that he shouldn't.


RE: Recording light
By Eletriarnation on 2/19/2014 5:22:51 PM , Rating: 2
You're allowed to ask someone what they're doing if you think they're acting suspicious, but taking pictures in a public place (even of people you don't know!) isn't illegal behavior and there's nothing wrong with it.

If someone thinks there was a crime in progress, then of course they can confront the criminal (and should contact police, maybe?) but photography is not a crime. You don't get to run someone out of a park because you don't like them taking pictures.


RE: Recording light
By Solandri on 2/19/2014 6:48:51 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
There is nothing harassing about asking someone what they are doing when they are in a public space. If the guy panicked when asked what he was doing then he was probably doing something he shouldn't have been.

Let me throw in a counterpoint and say that IMHO his behavior makes it more likely that he was innocent. A real pedophile has probably thought through this scenario hundreds of times, and had planned canned answers years ago to the "why are you taking pictures of my kids?" question.

The fact that this guy didn't know how to respond and left when confronted suggests to me that (1) he wasn't doing anything he thought was wrong and wasn't expecting a confrontation, and (2) when confronted he quickly realized if he said he was taking pictures of the kids because he thought they were cute, that would make him sound like a pedophile even though he wasn't.

On one of the photo forums, there was an interesting post by a guy who used to take his daughter to soccer practices and take photos of her. He'd then photoshop them into mockups of magazine covers. The other parents saw this and loved it, and asked him to take pictures of their kids too, which he did for a small fee. Eventually his daughter outgrew soccer but he kept going back, taking pictures, and offering the magazine mockups for sale to other parents. The parents were happy (getting great photos), he was happy (making money). Until one day some parent thought it was creepy that he was there without a kid, and taking pictures of the kids with a big telephoto lens. She complained until the soccer league banned him from all practices.

This is why we can't have good things. Because we let paranoia rule our behavior. Your kid is about a 200x more likely to die from being driven around in your car, than he/she is to be abducted by a stranger. Same reason we now have ridiculous "security" at airports and invasive surveillance of our phone calls and online activity. Because the terrorists will get us!


RE: Recording light
By Solandri on 2/19/2014 6:57:49 PM , Rating: 3
And just so I don't come across one-sided, the usual remedy suggested in the photo forums is to talk to the parents. Get to know them, let them get to know you. If you're a semi-pro you probably have a website. Share it with them and let them see some of your other work.

Then ask them for permission to take pictures of their kids. Yes you're not legally required to get permission, but it's the courteous thing to do. A lot of these misunderstandings could be avoided if people would just take the time to talk cordially with each other.


RE: Recording light
By Schrag4 on 2/19/2014 10:34:57 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Then ask them for permission to take pictures of their kids. Yes you're not legally required to get permission, but it's the courteous thing to do.


I think this is kind of the point. I'm siding with MrBlastman on this one. You have to go with your gut. It might be rude, but if you feel that something isn't right, don't ignore it. Reclaimer, as much as I like you, you're likely wrong on this one. When it's your daughter, it's different. Until you're in that position, you simply don't understand.

If that young guy really was innocent, he learned something that day, in the least painful way possible. You really should get permission before you go taking pictures of people's young children in a park. It's simply courteous. He could have ended up in trouble with the law, whether the law prohibits that sort of thing or not, or some parent might not have been as...understanding, again, not that that would have been right either.


RE: Recording light
By Reclaimer77 on 2/19/2014 10:59:56 PM , Rating: 1
So having a daughter empowers me to harass someone and get in their face over nothing?

Umm okay, that sounds really logical.

quote:
You really should get permission before you go taking pictures of people's young children in a park.


Excuse me but we have no idea WHAT he was taking pictures of, or what circumstances brought him there. But hey, he's clearly a pedophile...


RE: Recording light
By MrBlastman on 2/19/2014 9:35:41 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The fact that this guy didn't know how to respond and left when confronted suggests to me that (1) he wasn't doing anything he thought was wrong and wasn't expecting a confrontation, and (2) when confronted he quickly realized if he said he was taking pictures of the kids because he thought they were cute, that would make him sound like a pedophile even though he wasn't.


Well he did quickly give an answer but it was obviously bogus. He couldn't give a solid reason. Even my wife was freaked out. Everyone there was.

Normally if you want to photograph someone's kids... it is common courtesy to ask the parents first.


RE: Recording light
By nafhan on 2/20/2014 11:11:25 AM , Rating: 2
What crime was being prevented here?

Anyway, talking to someone is fine. I don't have problem with that. Labeling someone a pedophile... that's where I have a problem.


RE: Recording light
By MrBlastman on 2/20/2014 12:32:44 PM , Rating: 2
I don't. I'd rather profile a suspect individual and have them removed from the scene than years later discovering they have a basement full of photographs and have been fapping to my kids--or worse.

Case closed.


RE: Recording light
By garang on 2/20/2014 3:38:20 PM , Rating: 2
The law is clear on this subject: if you are standing on public property you are allowed to take a picture of anyone and anything, as long as the subject does not have a reasonable expectation of privacy. And in a public park no one has a reasonable expectation of privacy. If you don't like it, use your own money to build your own private park.

People like you are why states need stand your ground laws, so that citizens can protect themselves from unlawful aggressors.


RE: Recording light
By MrBlastman on 2/20/2014 3:48:11 PM , Rating: 2
LOL

So me telling someone to stop taking pictures of little children on a playground or I'll call the cops is grounds for them to shoot me?

Get a life. I can only hope deranged individuals like yourself are never given a carry permit.


RE: Recording light
By nafhan on 2/19/2014 4:26:35 PM , Rating: 2
You understand that taking pictures in a public area is legal... what do you think the police would have done? Look up the concept of "reasonable expectation of privacy". While you are at it look up the definition of pedophile. You don't seem to understand either concept.

Also, mandating a "recording" light on devices will do one thing: make it obvious that people who don't mind you knowing they are recording are recording. Anyone else will find a way around it.

Finally, how do you plan to handle situations like this 10 or 20 years from now when everyone's got microscopic embedded cameras? Punch anyone who looks at you for more than a second? Good luck on your quest to reverse technological trends via intimidation.


RE: Recording light
By MrBlastman on 2/19/2014 4:29:30 PM , Rating: 2
A pedophile is a freak who "gets their rocks off" with little children or to images of little children.

See post above for unspoken code of the playground. Maybe in other parts of the country it is different, but in the deep south, this is how it is.


RE: Recording light
By nafhan on 2/20/2014 11:29:13 AM , Rating: 2
I read your post, and all you know is that the guy seemed like a weirdo and he was taking pictures.

In that case: asking what the guy was doing: reasonable.
Accusing him of sex crimes: unreasonable.

In a similar situation, I would have (politely) asked the guy what he was doing, too. I understand where you are coming from.


RE: Recording light
By MrBlastman on 2/20/2014 3:51:06 PM , Rating: 2
Where did I say I called him pedo? Nowhere. I never said that. I just asked him to leave because he obviously didn't belong there taking unsolicited pictures of little children playing on the playground.


RE: Recording light
By nafhan on 2/20/2014 5:39:27 PM , Rating: 2
You've repeatedly called him that in this comment thread.


RE: Recording light
By MrBlastman on 2/20/2014 9:19:29 PM , Rating: 2
Not to his face in public. There's a big difference.


RE: Recording light
By nafhan on 2/20/2014 10:58:23 PM , Rating: 2
I agree.
You're still doing it, though.


RE: Recording light
By bigboxes on 2/19/2014 4:43:36 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry. I normally agree with you. This time I am siding with reclaimer. You sound a little irrational. Just asking someone "what the help" they are doing is hostile. If you are in public you have no right to privacy. You could ask him kindly not to take pictures of your children. However, he would be under no obligation to comply. If you struck him you would be guilty of assault. I'm no professional, but I take pictures of all sorts of subjects, nature, animals, men, women and kids. That doesn't make me a tree-hugger, pervert, homo, a pedophile or into bestiality. You overreacted.


RE: Recording light
By inighthawki on 2/19/2014 4:47:18 PM , Rating: 2
+1 I agree. It sounds like he aggressively overreacted to the situation. He has no right to tell, or even ask, the person to leave a public place regardless of whether or not he felt he was acting suspiciously. He had no idea of what the means intentions were.


RE: Recording light
By MrBlastman on 2/19/2014 4:53:44 PM , Rating: 2
So if you see someone pick up a child and walk off with that child--you have no right to ask them if they are okay? For all you know it could be their parent.

Better safe than sorry.


RE: Recording light
By inighthawki on 2/19/2014 5:01:28 PM , Rating: 2
Why did this suddenly escalate into kidnapping? The people here are simply stating that you overreacted from someone taking photos of the children on the playground.

Picking up a child and just walking off with them is a completely different situation. People have rights to do things like taking photos, not to kidnap people.


RE: Recording light
By MrBlastman on 2/19/2014 5:10:51 PM , Rating: 2
Ahh. Re-read what I said.

Parents pick up children and walk off with them all the time. Sometimes those children are kicking and screaming and at times, you might see one yelling help or something else ridiculous.

So, it is easy to ignore it. Especially on a playground where you see this all the time.

You might simply assume: "Kid screaming, adult picking them up and leaving. Meh. Parent taking brat home."

Hours later, Amber alert. "Oops."

I'm using the above example to contrast the attitude many seem to be displaying towards taking pictures of young children on a playground. It is easy to assume: "Meh, he's just taking pictures for his school newspaper."

But what if they aren't?

Can you live with yourself by remaining ignorantly in bliss?

They aren't so completely different, after all. Both illustrate ignorant reactions to something commonly assumed to be "normal."

The thing is--if you're around kids or whatever enough, you begin to realize what looks normal and what doesn't. Truth be told I see parents taking pictures of their kids on the playground and it doesn't bother me. Enter a situation where someone who doesn't "fit in" is standing in the shadows--it is better to ask than to ignore.

Likewise, if someone picked up a kid and left with them screaming--and they looked like they didn't fit in as a parent, why not ask the kid if they're okay--or make a joke like, "Nap time, eh?" within close proximity so if something bad were really going down, the kid would let you know.

My community is pretty protective of the children with neighborhood watch, etc. We just want to keep the perverts away. Yet, there are those who keep trying despite not being wanted there.


RE: Recording light
By inighthawki on 2/19/2014 5:31:19 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
They aren't so completely different, after all. Both illustrate ignorant reactions to something commonly assumed to be "normal."

I cannot accept that as evidence for classifying them in anything close to a related category.

While we're comparing taking pictures to kidnapping, let's throw in another ridiculous scenario:

A man walks into a bank in a trenchcoat, he is obviously concealing a bomb and some guns and is going to rob it, right? You should alert the cops.

Why stop there, let's move on to racial profiling:

An Arab man is seen in a crowded restaurant. Obviously he isn't there to dine, he must be a terrorist, right?


RE: Recording light
By MrBlastman on 2/19/2014 4:48:22 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think I'm irrational--just protective of my children. :)

I never said I struck him or threatened to strike him. I waited for a competent reply and after receiving none, told him I'd call the cops.


RE: Recording light
By kfonda on 2/19/2014 9:04:00 PM , Rating: 2
I can see the merit in both sides of this discussion. The photographer has every right to take pictures in public, the parents have every right to ask him what he is doing, and the photographer has every right to tell them to mind their own business. Why would you worry about the cops being called if you are doing nothing illegal?


RE: Recording light
By inighthawki on 2/19/2014 10:12:30 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Why would you worry about the cops being called if you are doing nothing illegal?

A number of reasons:

1) You don't want to waste time being questioned by a police officer for doing something legitimate, so maybe it's easiest to just defuse the whole situation before it starts

2) What if the cop just doesn't like you? Some people can be socially awkward and come off pretty creepy or suspicious as their normal state of being. He probably wouldn't want to risk being arrested for suspicion of pedophilia.

3) Assuming other people thought he looked suspicious as well, the interaction with a police officer will not help his case. It will make everyone around him immediately more on guard and defensive of them and their children (possibly even make the children and their parents leave) and ruin any future photographs.


RE: Recording light
By ignatius pugnax on 2/20/2014 12:38:29 AM , Rating: 2
there are a class of people who are liable to take pictures of pretty much anything, including another person in public. they are called photographers. they might be out looking for shots and your kid was lit well or was doing something that would make a great photo, doesnt mean they are pedophiles. im a photographer and take my camera most places i go because you never know when a great shot will appear. Im usually with my wife, so i dont really ever get the pedophile thing, but i did get stopped by a guy on the beach once. his little kid was pretending to surf on the the surf board there in the sand, so i snapped a shot of a nice little scene. the guy got in my face, asking me if i was going to post these on facebook. i was polite, showed him the photo, offered to send him a copy if he wanted and he calmed down. but i was thinking, really? you are worried that im going to put photos of some random kid on my facebook? Even if i did, what would it matter to the safety of our kids? are people going to see the shot, deduce which beach i was at, come to that beach and pick up forensic clues as to your identity, come track you down? i understand being protective, but at least be logical and dont be a prick about it. The likelihood that some random person with a camera is a pedophile is pretty low. There are alot more photo enthusiasts than pedophiles out there. The chances are you were just a bastard to some innocent person for no reason.


RE: Recording light
By MrBlastman on 2/21/2014 9:36:53 AM , Rating: 2
In the future, ask parental permission before taking pics of their kids. You'll appear far less creepy to them if you do.

When you have kids, a lightbulb goes off in your head and all of a sudden you look at things completely differently. You have a small little soul you're responsible for--to nurture, to provide for and to protect. Parental instinct is very real and powerful.

So show some respect. Ask before clicking. That's all we want. :)


RE: Recording light
By p05esto on 2/19/2014 1:19:42 PM , Rating: 2
You can record or take pictures of anyone in public at any time... you don't need anyone's permission. Someone punches you and they will be sued.


RE: Recording light
By MrBlastman on 2/19/2014 1:30:53 PM , Rating: 2
Just because you can sue someone doesn't give you permission to be a dipshit.

"What are you doing?"

"I'm taking pictures, dillhole."

"Well I want you to stop."

"No."

"Now. Stop it. Now. I don't want my family's picture taken"

"No. I'll do what I want!"

"You're going to stop now."

"Touch me and I sue you. You can't make me stop. I'll do what I want!"

*punches punk*

"I'm going to sue you!"

"Go ahead. I'm broke. We have no money. My house has been re-possessed by the bank and I collect disability. Make my day."

You see, the moral of the story is--you never know who you are going to piss off in society. Piss off the wrong person and you'll have a tough time suing yourself out of a six foot hole. Some people have nothing to lose.


RE: Recording light
By Eletriarnation on 2/19/2014 5:28:24 PM , Rating: 3
If you punch a guy in the face for taking pictures he might not sue you, he might just get you sent to prison for assault so you can't go to the park with your family anymore.


RE: Recording light
By MrBlastman on 2/19/2014 5:36:12 PM , Rating: 2
I never punched a guy and you're missing the point. The guy in the example had nothing to lose.

It is better to walk around this world and be respectful of others.


RE: Recording light
By BRB29 on 2/19/2014 2:55:26 PM , Rating: 2
"Besides, a LED can be covered up with a bit of tape"

You do realize that it's a software code that command the camera light right?
Anyone doing illegal activity will probably figure out how to turn it off while recording. There's already apps that allows you to take pictures/videos anonymously on smartphones.


RE: Recording light
By Nortel on 2/19/2014 10:59:54 AM , Rating: 1
There is a little light, specifically for this purpose. Unfortunately, because it is open source.. Some of the first apps/hacks were to disable the light when recording.

Creepy ass fu<kers.


RE: Recording light
By inighthawki on 2/19/2014 11:13:14 AM , Rating: 2
Open source shouldn't have anything to do with it. The LED should be tied to the hardware, not software, so if the camera receives power, so does the LED.


RE: Recording light
By Motoman on 2/19/2014 11:31:11 AM , Rating: 2
Ummm...right. Because you couldn't put a dot of black paint on the LED, or drill it out with a tiny drill bit, etc.

Putting an LED on the glasses isn't going to be a resolution to the issue.


RE: Recording light
By inighthawki on 2/19/2014 11:39:49 AM , Rating: 2
Well of course, but that wasn't my point. I was simply pointing out to the user I replied to that controlling the LED via software is flawed and not secure. I wasn't claiming that it would completely solve the problem. Good point, nonetheless.


Sad
By Reclaimer77 on 2/19/2014 10:51:06 AM , Rating: 1
Google shouldn't be wasting their time trying to appease the anti-tech Luddites of the world who freak out when something new comes along.

Whenever you acknowledge a radical persons agenda, you just make it stronger.




RE: Sad
By inighthawki on 2/19/2014 11:19:59 AM , Rating: 2
That sounds like such an arrogant stance. Basically some people find issues with the product so you label them as "anti-tech Luddites?" Can you justify that statement at all?


RE: Sad
By mckinney on 2/19/2014 1:45:56 PM , Rating: 3
As long as it is Google Koolaid, Reclaimer is OK with it. If it were Apple or MS, he would bad mouth the idea. Haha..


RE: Sad
By Reclaimer77 on 2/19/14, Rating: 0
RE: Sad
By inighthawki on 2/19/2014 3:27:30 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not really sure that "They shouldn't waste time dealing with people I disagree with and insult" as a valid point of 'criticism'.


RE: Sad
By Reclaimer77 on 2/19/2014 3:43:23 PM , Rating: 1
1. People pay a LOT of money to be essentially beta testers of Google Glass. Google referring to them as a-holes, even in jest, is offensive and in poor taste. It also panders to the idiots who think there is something inherently wrong or immoral about such a device.

2. One of the reasons people prefer Google products and services, is because they DON'T try and tell you how to use their products. They AREN'T like Apple, and we don't ever want them to become like them.

Are those "valid" enough?


RE: Sad
By inighthawki on 2/19/2014 3:57:39 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
People pay a LOT of money to be essentially beta testers of Google Glass. Google referring to them as a-holes, even in jest, is offensive and in poor taste.

That is fair, although that isn't the impression I got from your OP, but if that's what you meant then I understand now, and agree.

quote:
It also panders to the idiots who think there is something inherently wrong or immoral about such a device

Insulting people for not liking the same kind of technologies as you definitely isn't helping your credibility.

quote:
One of the reasons people prefer Google products and services, is because they DON'T try and tell you how to use their products. They AREN'T like Apple, and we don't ever want them to become like them.

Yes, that is a valid point. But I don't think they're trying to tell you how to use it in the same way Apple does. Apple designs their software and devices to focus their users into using it in a specific way. Here I think Google is more or less just providing a statement of "hey guys, let's try to not make glass users look bad, be respectful." Do you not agree that people should be respectful of others' feelings and privacy?


RE: Sad
By Reclaimer77 on 2/19/2014 4:05:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Do you not agree that people should be respectful of others' feelings and privacy?


Oh come on, that's a trap and you know it. This generation is a little TOO much obsessed with their feelings anyway. If I'm paying $1,500 bucks for something, their "feelings" can go eat sh*t! I'll use it how I want.

quote:
Insulting people for not liking the same kind of technologies as you definitely isn't helping your credibility.


I'm insulting people for being closed-minded and bigoted. Do you realize the arguments against Google Glass are some of the SAME ones used against Smartphones when they became popular? They were wrong then, just as they're wrong now!

This isn't a death ray or an abortion pill or a home euthanasia kit! Come on, there's absolutely NO reason our society shouldn't stop the 20'th century mentality, and embrace stuff like Google Glass!

quote:
Here I think Google is more or less just providing a statement of "hey guys, let's try to not make glass users look bad, be respectful."


I get that. But I think it's condescending, potentially inflammatory, and unnecessary. That's just my opinion.


RE: Sad
By inighthawki on 2/19/2014 4:36:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Oh come on, that's a trap and you know it. This generation is a little TOO much obsessed with their feelings anyway. If I'm paying $1,500 bucks for something, their "feelings" can go eat sh*t! I'll use it how I want.

I didn't mean to make it sound like "oh no, you hurt my feelings." But the same holds true out of respect, something that even the oldest of old-timers will typically care about.

quote:
I'm insulting people for being closed-minded and bigoted. Do you realize the arguments against Google Glass are some of the SAME ones used against Smartphones when they became popular? They were wrong then, just as they're wrong now!

I personally have two (potential) issues with Google glass, and both are problems that can exist on phones, and I'm fairly certain that they are generally accepted to be incredibly rude:

1) When holding a conversation with someone, it is rude to just take out your phone and just start using it. Doesn't matter what for, but it conveys general disrespect for the person you're talking to, and tells them that you aren't interested in what they are saying. The same problem can be in Google glass, but amplified. Imagine what happens when you can do the same thing except now you don't even need to physically hold your phone up. People can be even more rude with less work. I worry about this scenario, although I will also admit I have no interacted with people using Google glass, so as I said it is a worry, not a complaint. I do not know how much it will hold up.

2) Voice commands. Enter the Bluetooth headset. Considered one of the most d*uchebaggery electronic devices to ever hit the market. While convenient for things like driving and hand-free activities while alone, it is considered incredibly disrespectful to use these devices in public for several reasons, ranging from the fact that people generally speak louder since the microphone is further away, thus disrupting people around you with a loud conversation, to the fact that often you can't even tell if the person is speaking to you. Google glass will almost certainly hold the same reputation until it can be controlled with something other than voice commands.

I do have a third worry that more or less involves how far integrated these things become with things like social media. But that's more of my anti-social personality at play. I'm not a fan of social media - things like Facebook are utterly ridiculous and stupid to me, and I don't like people being able to find personal information about me. Last thing I need is glass tagging me and finding related images of me through an image search and pointing to information that no stranger should have of me. But I digress, that's not really an issue - at least for now.

You can say what you want about my opinions, but these are common issues that people have, and disagreeing with them does not make people who hold those opinions wrong, anti-tech luddites, or anything similar. Your average person just likes to be respected and enjoys their privacy.

I will of course hold off any real judgment until I have the chance to use them myself or interact with people using them.

quote:
I get that. But I think it's condescending, potentially inflammatory, and unnecessary. That's just my opinion.

Fair enough, that just isn't the message I got from it is all.


RE: Sad
By MrBlastman on 2/19/2014 5:14:38 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Oh come on, that's a trap and you know it. This generation is a little TOO much obsessed with their feelings anyway. If I'm paying $1,500 bucks for something, their "feelings" can go eat sh*t! I'll use it how I want.


So if you paid 1,500 bucks for a boom-box, it is okay to go to your local beach, pitch your blanket next to multiple families with small children, lay out on it, crank the music up playing rap laden with large amounts of obscene language... because you can "Do what you want?"

Common sense, man. Use it. The problem with society is multi-fold. You know this. I know it. The emo-feeling crap is one of them. The complete lack of respect is the other.

"I'll do what I want," is quite distant from thinking, "Gee, how can I respectfully use this."


RE: Sad
By Reclaimer77 on 2/19/2014 5:32:55 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
So if you paid 1,500 bucks for a boom-box, it is okay to go to your local beach, pitch your blanket next to multiple families with small children, lay out on it, crank the music up playing rap laden with large amounts of obscene language... because you can "Do what you want?"


Isn't that a far far FAR cry from Google Glass though??

Besides I wouldn't personally do that. I've seen Star Trek IV too many times :P


RE: Sad
By MrBlastman on 2/19/2014 9:37:11 PM , Rating: 2
I loved that movie so much I saw it repeatedly in the theater when it came out. :)

(and yes, it is)


RE: Sad
By Reclaimer77 on 2/19/2014 10:12:24 PM , Rating: 2
Double dumbass on you, Blastman, double dumb ass on you :)


RE: Sad
By MrBlastman on 2/21/2014 9:37:37 AM , Rating: 2
:P


RE: Sad
By idiot77 on 2/19/14, Rating: -1
Misuse of Term
By Flunk on 2/19/2014 10:57:49 AM , Rating: 1
"Glasshole" refers to all users of Google Glass, not just rude ones. Although I've yet to find a polite user of Google Glass I'm not sure they exist.




RE: Misuse of Term
By inighthawki on 2/19/2014 11:23:08 AM , Rating: 2
What exactly do you define as a polite vs impolite user? I also have a hard time believing that unless you live in like, Mountain View, that you see many people walking around with them on as a daily basis, so how large is your sample size? Hopefully more than 2 or 3.


RE: Misuse of Term
By tng on 2/19/2014 1:37:48 PM , Rating: 2
I live out in the central valley of CA and I see them at least on a weekly basis. Granted I live in a bedroom community for the Bay Area, but still I am surprised at how many I see.

The first time I saw someone using these I thought they were rude, but upon comparison to people looking down at their smartphones, it amounts to the same thing.


Free advertising?
By ProZach on 2/19/2014 5:13:35 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Respect others and if they have questions about Glass don’t get snappy. Be polite and explain what Glass does and remember, a quick demo can go a long way.

Ok, so on top of someone shelling out $1500 USD they're also supposed to give demonstrations? Seems like Google would have more to gain than the user here.

I seem to recall that Google also is regarded to have fairly good maps and data collection. Would it seem Google could intervene when an incident or complaint is reported on a user as to review the user's account (i.e. pictures uploaded stored on Google's own cloud storage)?

I'm not taking any position either way on Google or the product (except I don't care for the glass concept in its current state). This question seemed like an area of discussion.




Google Glass
By jbwhite99 on 2/19/2014 6:24:05 PM , Rating: 2
Tiffany, WRAL actually got anchors and cameramen to wear Google Glass for a newscast last week.

http://www.wral.com/wral-tv/asset_gallery/13377255...




why
By p05esto on 2/19/2014 1:21:39 PM , Rating: 1
Who would actually wear these? Even smart watches seem so stupid. I know most humans are self absorbed azzholes but still.




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