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Google spent $4 million on lobbying efforts in 2009

Google is the biggest search engine in the U.S. and one of the largest search engines in the world. The company has the most lucrative online advertising program around which fills its coffers with money and allows the company to take on projects which normally aren't part of its core search focus.

Google for instance spends a lot of money on lobbying in Washington on issues that could affect its business. Spending money to convince lawmakers to see things Google's way isn't illegal, but some are calling for Google to be more transparent about where and how it spends its money on political campaigns.

The New York City Public Advocate Bill de Blasio has called on Google to be much more open about how its spends its money on lobbying and elections. De Blasio is calling for Google to fully disclose direct and indirect spending on political issues and has made a video, ironically on YouTube. The video is called "Searching for Transparency."

De Blasio said, "You can find almost anything using Google, except for its own political spending. Many other companies, including several of Google’s competitors, have taken steps to reform their spending practices, but surprisingly Google is behind the curve. I urge them to join the growing number of companies that are doing the right thing and demonstrate their true commitment to transparency and accountability."

New York City Public Advocate is an elected position and is the second highest-ranking elected position in New York City. The job includes the management of  the retirement system for NYC city workers with a total of $30 billion in assets.

Information Week reports that de Blasio is pushing Congress to pass a bill known as the Disclosure Act. The Disclosure Act would require companies to disclose how they invest in political campaigns and prevent companies like Google and others from participating in certain types of political ads.

De Blasio noted that Google spend $4 million on lobbying efforts in 2009, which is 50 times more than it spent on lobbying on 2003. 



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I am torn...
By Moishe on 8/9/10, Rating: 0
RE: I am torn...
By djcameron on 8/9/2010 10:58:44 AM , Rating: 5
Are you kidding me? Any money that goes to any of our politicians, both directly or indirectly, should be disclosed in an easy to read format.


RE: I am torn...
By Reclaimer77 on 8/9/2010 11:26:02 AM , Rating: 5
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Are you kidding me? Any money that goes to any of our politicians, both directly or indirectly, should be disclosed in an easy to read format.


Sure, but let's do that across the board for EVERYONE. Not just Google.

Better yet, let's just ban lobbying all together.


RE: I am torn...
By FaceMaster on 8/9/2010 11:39:05 AM , Rating: 5
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Sure, but let's do that across the board for EVERYONE. Not just Google.


Problem is, the most 'interesting' transactions are most likely to remain hidden because the parties involved are the most corrupt.


RE: I am torn...
By dark matter on 8/9/2010 12:54:39 PM , Rating: 3
Perhaps we should return to them a mantra they are keen to press on us.

"If they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear"


RE: I am torn...
By djcameron on 8/9/2010 3:15:41 PM , Rating: 1
You can't ban lobbying unless you don't want anyone to talk to their elected representatives.


RE: I am torn...
By michael67 on 8/10/2010 6:22:28 AM , Rating: 2
You could ban it from the backroom, and let them have open public sessions, and everything that being said be on the record!

Ore at least everything on the record when it one on one.

Of course not always everything can be in the open, but let there be at least be a record of what bin talked about and have it available to attics comity.


RE: I am torn...
By gamerk2 on 8/9/2010 1:23:01 PM , Rating: 2
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Are you kidding me? Any money that goes to any of our politicians, both directly or indirectly, should be disclosed in an easy to read format.


Why? Its not like Congress passed a law showing who gets the money from what coorporations...

Fact is, its only a matter of time until a coorporation decides to put forward $10 Million or so in a Presidental campaign...that we find out about 20 years or so later...


RE: I am torn...
By Iaiken on 8/9/2010 11:05:31 AM , Rating: 2
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On the other hand, I think that the government has no right to make entities give up that information.


I think the government has every right to know how much private corporations are spending (both foreign and domestic) to influence the government. These aren't private citizens that are contributing to politicking or a cause, they are public legal entities for which no one individual is responsible.

If a politician wants to take a stance on something, they must be prepared to face the consequences of that declaration. Yet it never ceases to amaze me how corporations essentially get to play the part of puppet-master with no accountability for what the puppet does.

In most cases, special interest lobbying is simply a round about means of bribery with only the payors financial interest at heart. As it stands, most of this simply cannot be determined even after the tax year is over. Which companies payed what lobbyists, who those lobbyists contributed to in turn.

It's a bloody mess and they wouldn't have it any other way...


RE: I am torn...
By Reclaimer77 on 8/9/2010 11:54:41 AM , Rating: 2
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It's a bloody mess and they wouldn't have it any other way...


Well you can see what they are going for her. The Government makes a huge fucking mess of things, and starts looking for a scapegoat. Ah ha!! We were just sitting here minding our own business, looking out for the average citizen, until those evil money slinging Corporations "bribed" your decent government to the dark side.

It's so smarmy and dishonest and hypocritical, it probably will actually work. As if, free of Corporate lobbying, we wouldn't still have a corrupt and wasteful political system. Yeah right!

A lot of the time lobbying is the only thing standing between us and the government further infringing onto our lives. Cap and Trade, which would have increased the cost on EVERYTHING by a huge margin, was killed not because politicians cared about our interests suddenly. It was DOA because of the Energy lobbyists helped to ensure it wouldn't have the votes, thank god.

I'm all for killing lobbying, but not until we the people are restored our rightful voice in what our government does with OUR money and lives. Not until the power's of the federal government are brought back into their Constitutional constraints. Then and only then can we even hope to remove lobbying. Without it we would truly have NO voice.

Corporations are just groups of people. People trying to make their voices heard the only way they can.


RE: I am torn...
By sgw2n5 on 8/9/2010 12:36:52 PM , Rating: 1
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Corporations are just groups of people. People trying to make their voices heard the only way they can.


Corporations are just groups of people. Peopley trying to make LOTS AND LOTS OF MONEY EVERYONE ELSE BE DAMNED.

FTFY

And no... lobbyists absolutely DO NOT represent what the people want, they represent what their respective company/interest group want, and try to change laws in their favor in order to MAKE MORE MONEY. That's it.


RE: I am torn...
By Reclaimer77 on 8/9/2010 1:02:17 PM , Rating: 2
Your right. Corporations don't hire millions of people. They don't create wealth for countless others and provide opportunities. They don't patent, develop, research and produce goods and services that we all depend on. American Corporations also pay the second highest corporate tax rate in the world, helping to keep our Government propped up.

But you're right. All they do is suck up all the money they can and don't benefit anyone but themselves.


RE: I am torn...
By sgw2n5 on 8/10/2010 3:53:57 PM , Rating: 2
Nice strawman.

Corporations exist ONLY to make money. That's it.

Do they create jobs? Do they develop products and fund research? Produce goods? Yes, absolutely.

Would they do any of these things if they would not make any money? No.

You are an idiot if you think that corporations (of any flavor) are altruistic in nature. You are also an idiot if you think that lobbyists are looking out for YOUR interests.


RE: I am torn...
By Reclaimer77 on 8/10/2010 5:20:47 PM , Rating: 2
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Nice strawman.


I don't think so. In fact it's very germane.

quote:
Corporations exist ONLY to make money. That's it.


Yes. Your point? This is NOT an incitement of them as much as you want it to be. Making money is NOT a negative evil thing.

quote:
Do they create jobs? Do they develop products and fund research? Produce goods? Yes, absolutely.


Yes, my point. SO shut up. Because without those things you so easily brush off, our country would be DOOMED. Small business and Corporations are the lifeblood of our entire society. Deal with it and move on.

quote:
Would they do any of these things if they would not make any money? No.


Again, so what. I mean, dude, talk about a straw man. I point out, and you even agree, that there are SEVERAL beneficial side-effects to corporate profit. It doesn't matter that they exist "only" to make money. That's not ALL they do.

quote:
You are an idiot if you think that corporations (of any flavor) are altruistic in nature.


I feel like I'm talking to a retard. Look, the simple fact is without those jobs, products, goods, etc etc, THEY wouldn't exist either. Corporations need us as much as we need them. Symbiosis, look it up idiot. Don't give me this Corporate greed claptrap.

quote:
You are also an idiot if you think that lobbyists are looking out for YOUR interests.


You're an idiot because you refuse to see that their interests are often parallel to what's best for us. As I pointed out in the Cap and Trade example which, conveniently, you apparently just ignored because you couldn't form a good argument against it.

But please, feel free to preach to me the evils of Corporations while you type on a PC made by a Corp, assembled with parts from a Corp, over the Internet built by evil Corps like Cisco, in a house made with some Corps' materials, wearing named brand clothes and drinking a Pepsi or Coke..


RE: I am torn...
By YashBudini on 8/11/10, Rating: 0
RE: I am torn...
By YashBudini on 8/11/10, Rating: 0
RE: I am torn...
By gamerk2 on 8/9/2010 2:54:44 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I think the government has every right to know how much private corporations are spending (both foreign and domestic) to influence the government. These aren't private citizens that are contributing to politicking or a cause, they are public legal entities for which no one individual is responsible.


The Supreme Court disagrees with you on this. Coorporations have the same exact rights as private citizens, so why should they be discriminated against?

Fact is, one political party in particular would rather all its donations be hidden, so thats the way its going to be. Hence why I've long favord public funding for all federal elections. [I did the math a few years ago. Assuming 3-way races, and a 50-25-25 split total between funding for the House/Senate/Presidential campaigns, you can pull it off with a $10 tax.]


RE: I am torn...
By Iaiken on 8/9/2010 4:22:23 PM , Rating: 2
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50-25-25 split total between funding for the House/Senate/Presidential campaigns, you can pull it off with a $10 tax.]


But but but... that would require politicians to win on their own merits and achievements as well as those of their platform. That's just crazy talk!


Political transparency... for the Government
By nafhan on 8/9/2010 10:32:01 AM , Rating: 3
If the government was more transparent, this wouldn't be nearly as important. We would already know where most of the lobbying money was going, wouldn't we? A government official would never suggest that, though...




RE: Political transparency... for the Government
By Schrag4 on 8/9/2010 11:36:12 AM , Rating: 2
Good point. Don't burden citizens/corporations with providing this info. Make the govt provide the data. Would be much more efficient to gather this info in one, easy to query place rather than forcing everyong to start creating their own records, in different formats, etc.

I think you're right, though. IMO, there's less transparency than ever, with no sign of things getting better anytime soon. Not to mention the fact that I'm not sure I trust the govt to enter this data correctly or leave it alone once it has been entered. I just can't shake the feeling that certain individuals or corporations would "lobby" to have data about their lobbying contributions hidden/removed.


By Iaiken on 8/9/2010 12:38:15 PM , Rating: 3
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Make the govt provide the data.


So you don't really understand what a goodly portion of lobbying is.

The whole point is to be indirect about funneling money to politicians. The amount of different ways they go about this are mind boggling.

Here are a few of the most common methods:

Company A pays lobbying firm B to hold a benefits (dinners/events/rallies) for politician C so that schmucks D through Z will contribute to the campaign.

Company A pays lobbying firm B to foot advertising costs to create awareness of issue C to give politician D a soapbox on which to stand.

Company A pays lobbying firm B to slander politician C before promptly closing up shop before they can be sued for libel. Politician D sits back and smiles at his clean hands. (I find this one the most despicable.)

Even if they made disclosure mandatory, they would just find more and more round about and convoluted ways of achieving their ends. As it stands, they already break the law with regard to libel & slander campaigns all the time.

To be fare, there are professionals on both side of the political spectrum who have admitted to doing this for a living and some of them have been doing it for a VERY long time.

When you think about it, it really is quite ingenious...


How about....
By Homerboy on 8/9/2010 10:57:25 AM , Rating: 3
.... we just make Lobbying ILLEGAL. It's turned our Gov't into nothing more than a for-profit business. I can not stand lobbying. It's (one of) the thing that's killing our country.




RE: How about....
By djcameron on 8/9/2010 11:01:34 AM , Rating: 2
You can't eliminate all lobbying, or nobody would be able to talk to any of our politicians. Technically, even calling up your city councilman and encouraging them to take a certain position about anything is lobbying.


By Iaiken on 8/9/2010 10:49:28 AM , Rating: 2
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Spending money to convince lawmakers to see things Google's way isn't illegal, but some are calling for Google to be more transparent about where and how it spends its money on political campaigns.


Compared to what other companies of similar revenue levels spend on lobbying, 4 million/year is par for the course.

None of them bother to disclose how they spent it so why should Google be held to a higher standard? If you want full disclosure, make it mandatory for ALL lobbyists and the firms that hire them.

Even if they DO voluntarily disclose everything, I'm afraid those calling for this disclosure are going to be disappointed by the predictability of the ares Google is trying to influence: Net Neutrality, Security, State Deparment involvement in international security breaches.

In most of these areas, Google has already shown their hand with regards to what they desire, the only thing we don't know is how much they spent to influence lawmakers to those ends.




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