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  (Source: U.S. Daily Review)
Android JB is faster, packed with new features; Galaxy Nexus is now very cheap off-contract

Google Inc. (GOOG) had a big day today announcing Android 4.1 Jelly Bean, the successor release to Ice Cream Sandwich.  The new operating system build comes packing a plethora of new features and improvements, including adding some neat GUI animations that will be familiar to fans of the now-defunct webOS.

I. Smoother Performance

Google says that today 1 million Android devices (tablets, smartphones) are activated daily and there are 400 million Androids in the wild, figures which surely will stir some resentment at rival Apple, Inc. (AAPL).  

Hugo Barra, director of project management at Android, comments on the new operating system build, "Jelly Bean builds on what we created with Ice Cream Sandwich."

The improvements fall into two categories -- new features (including new UI gestures) -- and a performance overhaul, which makes the ICS GUI smoother and more responsive. 

Jelly Bean
[Image Source: YouTube]

Core to Jelly Bean is Project Butter.  The goal of Project Butter is to make Android's UI animations feel more smooth. (Smooth like butter, get it? Har har!)  The graphics pipeline is now triple buffered and uses vertical sync (vsync), features which combine to give silkier graphics.  

Jelly Bean Project Butter
Project Butter: Making your Android smoother [Image Source: YouTube]

This should give Google a nice boost, which it needs to compete with Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT) silky Windows Phone GUI (as Google mentioned in its keynote the brain's visual cortex can pick up on delays of as little as 10 ms, so that lag in older Android builds isn't your imagination).

Project Butter also improves touch by incorporating new algorithms that predict where your finger will be as it moves across the touch screen.  Google also realized that its power-saving technique of downclocking the CPU adversely affected UI transition and touch, so it now upclocks whenever your navigating the GUI.

II. New Features

But making the GUI smoother wasn't the only goal with Jelly Bean.  A slew of new features also pop up in the release.  Hugo Barra remarks, "Jelly Bean is not only the fastest and smoothest, but we've made improvements throughout."

Here's a brief breakdown of the editions:

Widgets/Icons
Widgets now can be manually resized, but also automatically resize to squeeze into allotted spaces.  This adds a nice counter to Apple's stackable icons.  You can also toss icons and apps off a home screen with a "familiar gesture" (aka the webOS up swipe -- thanks to Google's "swipe" of the webOS team from Hewlett-Packard Comp. (HPQ)).

Predictive Keyboard
Dictionary has been refined, and word suggestions are now displayed above the keyboard similar to in Windows Phone.

Offline Voice Input
Google is the only one whose current OS build has this -- enough said. (Initial support is for English only.)

Offline voice
Offline voice typing is now supported for airplane mode. [Image Source: YouTube]

Expanded Language Support
18 new languages, including Arabic and Hebrew.

Accesibilty
External brail input support, improved features for blind users.

Camera
There's now pinch support to go into film strip view for fast navigation of pictures and swipe responsiveness has been improved.  You can also now trash photos by swiping up, again similar to webOS.

JellyBean swipe photos
Swipe to delete and photo film-strip in JB [Image Source: YouTube]

Google Beam Improvements
Tap to pair Bluetooth devices (headsets, etc.), tap to share photos.

Notifications
Notifications have received some serious TLC and now expand/contract.  They also include action links.  Quick responses to some common types of messages (e.g. meeting reminder) are pre-programmed.

Jelly Bean notifications
JB style notifications [Image Source: YouTube]

Knowledge Graph Search
Jelly Bean responds to questions "What is a robot?" in a way similar to Siri.  Except rather than just a voice response it includes pictures and text -- very slick.

Google Now
Google is tracking you (uh oh) and it learns how to optimize your workflow.  For example, by tracking your commute path to work, it can give you an estimate each morning of the expected commute time, and occasionally suggest you follow alternative routes if it detects traffic backups along your commute path.  

JellyBean Google Now
Google is watching you on your commute. [Image Source: YouTube]

It also keeps track of your search history to determine your favorite sports teams and other useful real-time information to present to you.  It even suggests the most popular entree at a restaurant you're at.

App Improvements 

(these improvements will also affect Gingerbread and ICS builds)

Apps are now encrypted, with paids apps being delivered with a device-specific key -- an important step forward to fight piracy.  Google is also offering a second kind of updates that only download changes, not the entire app.  These "delta updates" should be faster for customers.  Google says there are now 600K apps in its Play store.

Play Store

(These improvements are available today)

Movies are now available for purchase on play, and TV show seasons/episodes have been added.  Another new addition is magazines, which brings Play up to pace with Apple's iTunes (and sub-stores) offerings.

Play Store
The Play Store now has magazines. [Image Source: YouTube]

III. Availability

Jelly Bean will land via over the air updates starting in July.  The SDK is currently available.  Google also announced a Platform Development Kit to help component and device vendors port Android to their devices faster.

Google I/O conference attendies also get a newly announced Nexus Q streaming hub, a 7-inch Nexus tablet, and a Galaxy Nexus phone.  

Google I/O Freebies
[Image Source: YouTube]

That's enough to make non-developers pretty jealous...

IV. Galaxy Nexus Price Cut

... but, the bright size is that the Galaxy Nexus is now available for a shockingly affordable $349 USD off-contract.  The phone is the HSPA+ edition, so it lacks the LTE that some carrier-specific models like the Galaxy Nexus LTE on Verizon Wireless -- (the joint Verizon Communications Inc. (VZ) and Vodafone Group Plc. (LON:VOD) venture) -- has.

Galaxy Nexus Wide

With the price cut, the Galaxy Nexus should instantly become the handset to get for customers who despise signing long-term contracts, small as their numbers may be in the U.S.

Source: YouTube [Keynote]



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Excellent
By bug77 on 6/27/2012 6:05:49 PM , Rating: 2
This is just the kick in the balls I needed as a proud owner of a phone still stuck with Gingerbread. ICS is supposedly incoming and it's already outdated.




RE: Excellent
By retrospooty on 6/27/12, Rating: 0
RE: Excellent
By bug77 on 6/27/2012 8:21:17 PM , Rating: 2
You can't change a 2012 Accord into a 2013 Accord with a reasonable amount of effort, true. However, there's guys out there upgrading others' phones for free. I hope the difference is not too subtle for you.


RE: Excellent
By retrospooty on 6/27/2012 8:35:04 PM , Rating: 2
So, upgrade your phone. If the carrier wont release it, take control of it yourself and get Cyanogenmod.

I just hate to see people complaining that "my phone doesnt get an upgrade". FFS, stop being a victim. If you want a gauranteed upgrade, and are too afraid to flash your own ROM, then your gonna be stuck with an iPhone.


RE: Excellent
By sprockkets on 6/27/2012 9:43:55 PM , Rating: 2
...or a nexus


RE: Excellent
By bug77 on 6/28/2012 4:33:32 AM , Rating: 2
When I'm being charged an arm and a leg for manufacturer customization and support, the solution is most definitely not "install CM". Plus, how many people do you expect to know how to do that anyway?


RE: Excellent
By retrospooty on 6/28/2012 8:04:15 AM , Rating: 2
"When I'm being charged an arm and a leg for manufacturer customization and support"

Are you paying something the rest of us aren't? You buy the phone based on the features it has today. It's not like those features stop working.

"how many people do you expect to know how to do that anyway?"

Just the people that want an upgrade and aren't getting one from the carrier... Android has options. Large, small, qwerty, removable battery, cheap, high end and everything in between. The downside is there are too many ROM's to have a rich upgrade path, so your options are clear. Either get an Android and take what updates come. Get and Android and update it yourself, or if neither of those are acceptable, and getting and OS update on an old phone is more important to you, get an iPhone. You can almost gaurantee you will get an OS update or 2. To buy an Android and complain that you arent getting an update is obsurd. It's not one of the platforms strong points. It's like buying a car with a manual transmission and complaining its not automatic.


RE: Excellent
By bug77 on 6/28/2012 11:03:35 AM , Rating: 2
I still don't get it. Cyanogen can upgrade phones they don't make and you're saying it's ok for manufacturers to not give a rat's ass?


RE: Excellent
By retrospooty on 6/28/2012 11:23:26 AM , Rating: 2
I am not saying its OK or not, I am just saying it is reality. Older Android 2.x phones are not getting upgrades. I see the business reasons behind it. Even with a well oiled OS, a ROM is still a lot of work. Thousands and thousands of man hours in programming and testing, as well as tech support - it all costs money. Of course cellular carriers and phone manufacturers dont want to spend alot of time and effort to upgrade old phones... Its costs a ton of money and the end result is that some amount of people will put off buying a new phone. For Apple, they have 1 model per year so it's not difficult. For Android makers, there are a ton of phones, so only the most recent models will get it.

So, my only point is its a choice. One of Android's disadvantages is that older phones don't get upgrades. You either have to live with the phone as you bought it (which must have met your needs, otherwise, why did you buy it?) or upgrade it yourself through 3rd party ROM, or dont buy Android.


RE: Excellent
By bug77 on 6/28/2012 1:09:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Older Android 2.x phones are not getting upgrades. I see the business reasons behind it. Even with a well oiled OS, a ROM is still a lot of work.


Well, this is where I disagree. If manufacturers choose to install crapware on top of Android, they should be responsible for upgrading it as well. There's no way upgrading and testing 10-20 phones should take as long as developing a new version of Android. It's not like Google does no testing at all, leaving the whole thing to the manufacturers.
I have no opinion of the carriers, because I don't buy locked phones.


RE: Excellent
By retrospooty on 6/28/2012 1:55:45 PM , Rating: 2
"they should be responsible for upgrading it as well. "

It's alot of work, and has zero to do with apps/crapware. It takes alot, and I am not sure how they are "responsible" to upgrade your old phone. It would be nive, but they arent responsible to just do it.

You sound like you feel entitled to future OS upgrades... Maybe you should buy an iPhone.


RE: Excellent
By bug77 on 6/28/2012 2:36:58 PM , Rating: 1
If it's a lot of work, the manufacturers have only themselves to blame. I've written enough GUI-enabled apps that work across OSes that didn't exist when I've written them, so I'd know.

And of course I'm entitled, why else would they put the update button in there? Plus, what kind of message are they sending to the customer, not caring after they got the money? Anyway, I've learnt my lesson, next time I'll probably get a Nexus.


RE: Excellent
By Rukkian on 7/6/2012 10:25:25 AM , Rating: 2
Updates are just that, updates. If there is a bug, or security hole that is found, they will send updates. This does not mean you get the new os when it is released.

If you truly know a bunch about programming, then you would know that testing takes alot of time and money (salaries). If they offically release it, then they have to do training for all of the users that would have no clue (and no want to learn) a new os, and support for all of the issues.

Since they do not stop you from installing apps, if the new o/s broke an app you bought, who would you call - them, not the app maker.

There is no real reason to give new o/s updates to old phones. If they do, great, but imho, there is no obligation. I would much rather that once a new os is out and they are not officially releasing, they just allow you to open the bootloader (talking to you - Moto). This would allow the people that want to upgrade to do it on their own, cleanly, while those that couldn't care less (the majority) to be fine with what they have.


Peanut Butter is sticky
By anactoraaron on 6/27/2012 4:41:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
(Smooth like butter, get it? Har har!)


No. I do not get it. Please explain. HAR HAR!!

:P




RE: Peanut Butter is sticky
By theapparition on 6/28/2012 11:00:17 AM , Rating: 2
They call her Butter.

Because she spreads so easy.


Oh boy
By jvillaro on 6/27/2012 6:43:58 PM , Rating: 2
So, I had lost all faith of being able to update my Galaxy Tab 10.1 to ICS... now this comes along and makes me want to through it against the wall.
I would really appreciate if Google started to keep the OEM's in check a little bit more.




RE: Oh boy
By sprockkets on 6/27/2012 7:03:52 PM , Rating: 2
Why blame Google - the Xoom and Transformer got it within weeks of release.

Or you can wait till next month or so.

http://goo.gl/ZvFmM

Shortened to bypass stupid spam filter.


So wait...
By 440sixpack on 6/27/2012 5:40:08 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Apps are now encrypted, with paid apps being delivered with a device-specific key


Does that mean I'll have to pay twice to use the same app on my phone and tablet?




Now waiting for...
By ie5x on 6/28/2012 4:16:26 AM , Rating: 2
an HD2 ported ROM!!!




Offline Voice Input
By dsx724 on 6/27/12, Rating: -1
RE: Offline Voice Input
By matty123 on 6/27/2012 3:35:12 PM , Rating: 5
How do you know?? Do you have jelly bean already??


RE: Offline Voice Input
By Kiffberet on 6/28/12, Rating: 0
RE: Offline Voice Input
By impinchi on 6/29/2012 1:29:58 AM , Rating: 1
LOL, i see those people and laugh at them. I don't get it either - why do you want the world around you to know what you are busy googling? You've got two free hands, please use them so i can get back to my imagination? :)
I've never used because it was online (and data in za is expensive!) so i never used it. i've actually been dying to use this only because of the "hands free" times like driving. Now if it is offline, i can only imagine being in the shower and answering the phone with a command and another for speaker and voila - didnt have to get out the shower. Ok, its a bad example :) but it makes me think of all the different uses. I might be able to even control my tv\pc via voice, if the apps get really nice that is....


RE: Offline Voice Input
By dsx724 on 6/28/12, Rating: -1
RE: Offline Voice Input
By JasonMick (blog) on 6/27/2012 3:37:48 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
My WinMoBo 5 and 6 had this and worked a lot better.
Fair enough, but Google is the only one whose CURRENT product has this. That's BIG.

And it likely packs significant improvements over Microsoft's legacy implementations in terms of dictionary and speech recognition.

/so says the supposed "Windows Phone" fan


RE: Offline Voice Input
By OoklaTheMok on 6/27/2012 4:38:13 PM , Rating: 1
A number of these updates to Android 4.1, err Jelly Bean, already exist in Windows Phone.

When Windows Phone first came out, it was harped on because it didn't have cut and paste out of the gate, but it was added shortly after. This was considered a significant issue and a deal breaker to some, so why don't we see the same outrage regarding Android's missing features/functionality? Why isn't everyone up in arms about the things Android doesn't have that WP and iOS do have?

I am a Windows Phone fan and I have used a couple Android devices, and they made me want to give up on life. <tap> <tap> <swipe> <slide> <tap> oh ok, I can now take a picture... or do whatever. When I connect to a public wifi access point that needs me to login on a web page, Windows Phone takes me to the login page. With Android, you spend a few minutes trying to figure out why your game or app can't connect to the internet even though it shows that you are connected to wifi. Eventually you open up your browser to give that a try and you get the wifi login page. WTH!!

I don't think Google needs to just focus on making Android animations silky smooth like Windows Phone, they need to remove all of the friction in the user experience like Windows Phone. With OEMs like Samsung and HTC, wanting to put their stamp on their devices, they just make the devices worse with their customizations. If I was Google, I would mandate that customizations should be able to be uninstalled or disabled without having to resort to a custom ROM.

</soapbox>


RE: Offline Voice Input
By One43637 on 6/27/2012 4:57:46 PM , Rating: 4
What kind of Android phone made you tap 3 times and slide just to take a photo?


RE: Offline Voice Input
By JasonMick (blog) on 6/27/2012 5:25:21 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
What kind of Android phone made you tap 3 times and slide just to take a photo?
I think he probably has/had a Gingerbread device.

My old Evo wasn't quite THAT bad, but you had to click the icon (no hardware button), long-click the screen (to focus), then release to get it to take the picture. I suppose if you didn't have your camera app on one of your home screens, you'd have three clicks, so almost the scenario he described.

The hardware button makes photo-taking a much quicker experience in Windows Phone. Just click the hardware button twice, you have a picture -- can't get much easier.


RE: Offline Voice Input
By OoklaTheMok on 6/27/2012 7:42:27 PM , Rating: 1
I have used both Gingerbread and ICS


RE: Offline Voice Input
By impinchi on 6/29/2012 1:40:04 AM , Rating: 3
I have an HTC sensation, it came with gingerbread and since updated to ICS. My sister was used to the iphone but i convinced her to go HTC one X. I have to admit that the android GUI is a learning curve, and then having to relearn after ICS really annoyed me and my sis wasn't happy with her phone for the first week and a half. You have to learn the OS and then it becomes easier. Shes now very happy with her HTC one X

@Jas, yes - a hardware button is severely lacking on these two phones and makes me sad :( but i don't get annoyed with it (because i hold it right? :P) You can't just pickup a new OS and say its crap after ten minutes.


RE: Offline Voice Input
By jimbojimbo on 6/28/2012 4:00:51 PM , Rating: 2
Someone probably deleted his camera icon so he had to open up the app drawer and search for it. He's just too stupid to know how to add icons.


RE: Offline Voice Input
By B3an on 6/27/2012 5:15:27 PM , Rating: 2
I have a Galaxy S3 and i actually agree with you.

WP7.5 is great. And WP8 looks like a much superior OS. I'd love to have a phone and hardware like the S3, but instead runs WP8.

Also i think it's kind of sad that it's taken Google all this time to finally make Android smooth. The S3 is the only Android phone i've used that compares to WP7's smoothness. But look at the hardware required to do it.


RE: Offline Voice Input
By sprockkets on 6/27/2012 6:20:27 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Why isn't everyone up in arms about the things Android doesn't have that WP and iOS do have?


Have you seen the incessant b!thching about "lag"? Seriously.

quote:
I am a Windows Phone fan and I have used a couple Android devices, and they made me want to give up on life. <tap> <tap> <swipe> <slide> <tap> oh ok, I can now take a picture... or do whatever.


Power, slide camera to unlock ring, done. And this was there on HTC Sense before ICS. The Amaze from them also has a dedicated camera button.

quote:
When I connect to a public wifi access point that needs me to login on a web page, Windows Phone takes me to the login page. With Android, you spend a few minutes trying to figure out why your game or app can't connect to the internet even though it shows that you are connected to wifi.


Funny, my 3 year old HTC mytouch does that. You sure you aren't like talking out of your as?

quote:
I don't think Google needs to just focus on making Android animations silky smooth like Windows Phone, they need to remove all of the friction in the user experience like Windows Phone.


How about you actually *try* to use an android phone, then come back?

And to be fair to everyone, each platform has its stupid missing features. WP7 gets it worse for being so late to the game.


RE: Offline Voice Input
By OoklaTheMok on 6/27/12, Rating: 0
RE: Offline Voice Input
By sprockkets on 6/27/2012 9:28:37 PM , Rating: 3
Oh man, if you got the GTab 2 7" I'd understand. And you are right about it not being consistent, but that's half the fun!

Just be a bit more specific next time man.


RE: Offline Voice Input
By jimbojimbo on 6/28/2012 4:20:11 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Yes, I could have made a shortcut, but I am merely expressing that the default "out of the box" experience is cumbersome.

Unless they introduce a 20" tablet with a hundred icons they can't make everyone happy. However, adding an icon is quite simple so what's the complaint again?


RE: Offline Voice Input
By impinchi on 6/29/2012 1:44:55 AM , Rating: 2
lol. Like i said earlier, i agree. You have to use the OS and get used to it. and as for the ICS update for the sensation that did come with a camera icon on the home screen and the default lock screen. And yes the update did reset my entire desktop except my folders (wierd but OK)
HTC One X out of the box came with that by defualt too, lol @ my sis cos she didn't know what it was (sometimes i hate being the techy of the family!)


If only it mattered....
By Tony Swash on 6/27/12, Rating: -1
RE: If only it mattered....
By retrospooty on 6/27/2012 3:40:45 PM , Rating: 2
signifying nothing...


RE: If only it mattered....
By matty123 on 6/27/2012 3:47:40 PM , Rating: 3
And then their are reports that discredit the absurdity that the street put out...

quote:
Jackson claims that "Apple users out-browse Google Android users by a 3.3x margin"; he uses NetApplications data cited by SlashGear for February. The newest NetApplications data isn't hard to find and puts Android usage share at 19 percent and 64 percent for Apple's mobile browser. Other reputable firms disagree. The months-old citation ignores StatCounter, which put Android's browser usage share ahead of Mobile Safari for February, and continued to do so through May.


Link: http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_browser-ww-month...

Link: http://betanews.com/2012/06/24/android-users-are-s...


RE: If only it mattered....
By retrospooty on 6/27/2012 3:50:07 PM , Rating: 4
I think Tony is a bit worried. MS and Google have not only caught up, but both have well surpassed Apple.

This Jelly bean looks slick. Cant wait to try it.


RE: If only it mattered....
By JasonMick (blog) on 6/27/2012 4:26:09 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
I think Tony is a bit worried. MS and Google have not only caught up, but both have well surpassed Apple.

This Jelly bean looks slick. Cant wait to try it.
It's natural that Tony would be on the defensive, given that how good Jelly Bean and Windows Phone 8 look and how demure/dated iOS 6 looks.

You can say iOS 6 is "simple". I use another word -- dated.

It just does not look good , is not keeping up feature wise. The only really good features like Siri, they bought from third parties to try to pull the wool over the mass's eyes and convince them it's worth upgrading.

I see the smartphone market as eventually devolving into a Windows Phone vs. Android battle, unless Apple has a miracle and finds itself another Steve Jobs.

Thanks to Jobs Apple had quite a compelling product in 2007. Today its product is anything but. Apple has totally lost its drive to push the envelope post-Jobs. The cult appeal can only hold so long -- iOS 6 is looking like an old race horse headed back to the stable for retirement.


RE: If only it mattered....
By One43637 on 6/27/2012 5:00:46 PM , Rating: 2
I've used the term old and lackluster to describe for IOS for 2+ years. Yet everyone keeps saying "it's simple and made for the non tech crowd..."

Yeah keep harping on that. Just like you they keep trying to hammer the optimal screen size being 3.5". Oh wait...


RE: If only it mattered....
By retrospooty on 6/27/2012 5:15:10 PM , Rating: 2
"Yet everyone keeps saying "it's simple and made for the non tech crowd..."

RIM kept saying that about their phones as well. Not working out too well for them... But, Apple does have the potential to catch back up.


RE: If only it mattered....
By One43637 on 6/27/2012 6:17:22 PM , Rating: 2
don't forget that RIM also chose not to put a real effort into the consumer market, thinking Enterprise was going to keep them afloat...


RE: If only it mattered....
By retrospooty on 6/27/2012 6:21:08 PM , Rating: 2
True, there are always reasons... but the point is you cant rest on your previous wins and expect to stay on top. You have to keep pushing or you get passed by fast.


RE: If only it mattered....
By One43637 on 6/27/2012 7:07:15 PM , Rating: 2
word to the big bird. Innovation and efficiency will keep you at the top.


RE: If only it mattered....
By impinchi on 6/29/2012 1:50:36 AM , Rating: 2
LMFAO! sorry i'm a long time reader but newly registered (again, i keep losing my darn pswrds!) so i can't plus 1 you on that. Retro, i almost cried :(


RE: If only it mattered....
By jimbojimbo on 6/28/2012 4:26:13 PM , Rating: 2
One of my biggest complaints about iOS was that you can customize the crap out of it but only after jailbreaking it. Without it it's like walking down a tunnel. I don't know how people can tolerate it.


RE: If only it mattered....
By retrospooty on 6/27/2012 5:17:24 PM , Rating: 2
"It's natural that Tony would be on the defensive, given that how good Jelly Bean and Windows Phone 8 look and how demure/dated iOS 6 looks."

Yup... kind of surprising, considering Apple is so big on "eye candy" and the visual aspect of things. They go to alot of effort to design good looking products, yet leave the OS in uggoville.


RE: If only it mattered....
By JasonMick (blog) on 6/27/2012 5:19:57 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yup... kind of surprising, considering Apple is so big on "eye candy" and the visual aspect of things. They go to alot of effort to design good looking products, yet leave the OS in uggoville.
Not as surprising to me, I guess.

Steve Jobs was the master of eye candy (or i-candy?), and the master is dead. Tim Cook just doesn't have the vision to continue to push a compelling product for decades to come.


RE: If only it mattered....
By hexxthalion on 6/28/2012 9:38:48 AM , Rating: 1
no. Cook was in charge for much longer, not just after Jobs' death. Tim Cook is master of operations, that's why he is CEO. For vision they have product team with Bob leading tech side of things and Jonny design.


RE: If only it mattered....
By theapparition on 6/28/2012 11:08:54 AM , Rating: 2
No worries.

Apple will just implement all the GUI elements from WinMo8 and ICS/JB. They'll introduce the stolen features in a media circus and claim some new marketing buzzword like "magical" or "revolutionary". Perhaps they'll even invent a new word like "magicalutionary".

While doing that, they'll try to patent the stolen features and then try to sue everyone who had it implemented before. All the while trolls like Tony will drink the Kool-aid and then evangelize why Apple is so superior.


RE: If only it mattered....
By corduroygt on 6/27/12, Rating: -1
RE: If only it mattered....
By impinchi on 6/29/2012 2:11:34 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
May I remind you that Windows did not have massive changes in its UI since windows 95


You goto be smoking your socks! have you used Vista\7? i think that qualifies as a pretty big GUI change from XP. and Metro is bascially a total overhaul....

I'm worried that WP 8 will outsell android, i'm a big fan of android. i'm not worried about both overtaking iOS, i think thats already happening...


RE: If only it mattered....
By corduroygt on 6/29/2012 7:42:28 PM , Rating: 1
XP Vista/7 all use the same structure, a start button and a taskbar. The icons are prettier but the structure is the same.


RE: If only it mattered....
By JackBurton on 6/27/12, Rating: -1
RE: If only it mattered....
By retrospooty on 6/27/2012 4:33:55 PM , Rating: 2
Oh please... You cant possibly use IOS5, WM7, and Android 4 and think that IOS is anywhere near as good. 3 years ago, yes, but not today.

Or are you talking about hardware... Larger better screens with higher res, 4G, removable batteries, qwerty kb's, open market, large models, small models, cheap models, high end models, better battery life, faster CPU's, faster GPU's... No,you couldn't possibly be referring to hardware.


RE: If only it mattered....
By OoklaTheMok on 6/27/2012 4:48:32 PM , Rating: 2
iOS has the largest and most stable ecosystem, and the best peripherals, which could be considered part of the ecosystem... and that's about it. Android has the best core hardware, and Windows Phone has the best user experience.


RE: If only it mattered....
By JasonMick (blog) on 6/27/2012 3:51:14 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Android devices seem to sell well but just aren't used as a platform for much except phone calls. How quaint.
That's a pretty skewed way of looking at things -- not surprising for you.

Perhaps Google's mobile Chrome is just more efficient than mobile Safari at refreshing, hence it has less page requests. That would skew the page views to mobile Safari, without indicating any real change in users.

I highly doubt many Android users are not using their browser. Everyone I know who has an Android uses the internet incessantly.

Did you stop to think for even a second that maybe Google's browser app is maybe just a bit smarter than Apple's and is hence throwing off statistics?

There's lies, damn lies, and statistics.


RE: If only it mattered....
By NellyFromMA on 6/27/12, Rating: -1
RE: If only it mattered....
By Camikazi on 6/27/2012 4:09:08 PM , Rating: 2
Never had a force close on my Incredible or my Bionic, shortish battery life yes but never a few hours, hell my nieces 4S runs out of battery before my Bionic and I am on my phone more then she is.


RE: If only it mattered....
By NellyFromMA on 6/28/2012 9:00:03 AM , Rating: 2
I've had tons on my incredible, hence the feedback


RE: If only it mattered....
By Kurz on 6/28/2012 9:34:09 AM , Rating: 2
Sounds like a Dud of a Phone. You should've RMA'd it.
Because a simple miss application of thermal paste on the CPU would cause Force Closes.


RE: If only it mattered....
By retrospooty on 6/27/2012 4:10:18 PM , Rating: 2
"Yeah, they just can't use it for longer than a couple of hours before dead battery or force close"

Ya, we should just all stay on 3G like Apple to consver battery... no, wait. Android devices have the longest lasting browsing time out there, and 4G. Hmm... makes you wonder doesnt it.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6022/samsung-galaxy-...


RE: If only it mattered....
By NellyFromMA on 6/28/2012 9:01:30 AM , Rating: 2
My incredible IS a 3g phone. Also, I didn't realize sharing MY experience with MY phone could offend YOU.

My experience with Android sucks. That's how consumer impressions ar formed. Tough life, right?

Make good products, get praise. Make buggy products, get bad word of mouth.


RE: If only it mattered....
By Goty on 6/27/2012 4:11:12 PM , Rating: 2
*looks at his constant 24 hour+ battery life and single force-close over the life of his Galaxy Nexus*

Did I miss something?


RE: If only it mattered....
By JasonMick (blog) on 6/27/2012 4:18:40 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
*looks at his constant 24 hour+ battery life and single force-close over the life of his Galaxy Nexus*

Did I miss something?
Yes: Joining the cult of Apple.


RE: If only it mattered....
By NellyFromMA on 6/28/2012 8:59:36 AM , Rating: 2
Um, I don't even care for Apple, actually...


RE: If only it mattered....
By NellyFromMA on 6/28/2012 9:02:38 AM , Rating: 2
I think it's hilarious then when someone has an opinion or experience differing from someone on here, immediately you must be a liar or something. Maybe calm down and stop getting all asperger's over the fact that people actually USED ANDROID AND HAD A BAD TIME WITH IT. Get over it -_-


RE: If only it mattered....
By theapparition on 6/28/2012 11:16:26 AM , Rating: 2
That's a fair comment, but your original assertion was that Android forced closed all the time, in general, with no context.

Perhaps if you were more clear in your original post that it was your experience on one phone, then there would be less hostility towards your general statement. But when someone makes a blanket statement that isn't generally true, expect to get some flack for it. Don't know why you're surprised.


RE: If only it mattered....
By PrinceGaz on 6/27/2012 4:19:34 PM , Rating: 2
It's not about how many people are using the web-browser on their smartphone, but how they are receiving the data which is relevant here.

iPhones have been around a good bit longer than Android phones, which means that on average the people who have stuck with them will have more experience with them, and learned how to use them most efficiently (such as using Wi-Fi whenever possible to minimise cell data costs).

In addition, advertising for Android smartphones to non-technophiles is much more prelavent. The only people advertising iPhones (or iPads or iPod touch's) are Apple, and they have a nice advert but don't tell you the cost of it.

Then you have adverts from mobile-phone networks saying you can get a new Samsung Galaxy which has this that and the other from them for not very much cost per month. It's no wonder many "clueless" users buy the Android phone, and have no idea how to make best use of it (such as using Wi-Fi instead of your data allowance). The mobile phone networks love those people because they can charge them more, and broadcast more adverts to catch more people, and so on.


RE: If only it mattered....
By ltcommanderdata on 6/27/12, Rating: 0
RE: If only it mattered....
By sprockkets on 6/27/2012 6:59:25 PM , Rating: 2
Why is it that you and Tony post old bull sht every time something positive comes out about android...


RE: If only it mattered....
By ltcommanderdata on 6/27/2012 7:55:03 PM , Rating: 2
I actually don't share Tony's dismissive view on Android. I just wanted to point out that there is evidence from different sources and methods that iOS users are more active than Android users. I think it's just a matter of demographics. iOS skews toward the mid to high-end market while Android targets the entire market from low to high-end. Mid to high-end users are more likely to be more active so that likely is responsible for iOS representing a larger share of usage than pure marketshare would suggest. That's not to say Android isn't an important platform, just that raw marketshare isn't everything.


RE: If only it mattered....
By sprockkets on 6/27/2012 9:25:24 PM , Rating: 2
ok but it sure...


RE: If only it mattered....
By TakinYourPoints on 6/27/2012 5:12:20 PM , Rating: 2
The bulk of Google's profits in mobile advertising are from iOS devices, about double. Not from Android, but from iPhones.

Oh, I see, it's because the Android mobile browser might be more efficient, not because there are more eyeballs on iOS devices actually using them for web browsing.

/eyeroll


RE: If only it mattered....
By JasonMick (blog) on 6/27/2012 5:28:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The bulk of Google's profits in mobile advertising are from iOS devices, about double. Not from Android, but from iPhones.
You do understand that the majority of "mobile advertising" profits are from AdMob, which is an apps API, right??

In other words, that's primarily referring to a platform that has nothing to do with the browser .

Even if you're an Apple fan you should know that. Any Apple developer worth his salt uses AdMob as a backup when Apple can't serve and iAd (which happens pretty frequently).

So what exactly are you carrying on about, again??

/back on topic


RE: If only it mattered....
By TakinYourPoints on 6/27/2012 5:41:18 PM , Rating: 2
2/3 of mobile search also comes from iOS, as said by Google when under testimony: http://9to5mac.com/2011/09/21/google-23rds-of-our-...

This is outside of traffic from ads served in applications. Note that this is from last September, before the recent surge of iPhone sales.

Browser "efficiency", something you totally pulled out of thin air, then AdMob, man, I'm looking forward to seeing how you're going to spin this next.


RE: If only it mattered....
By matty123 on 6/27/2012 6:49:55 PM , Rating: 2
Says Nothing iOS stats include iPad, iPod and iPhone...

Let's look at facts...

October last year 250 million iOS devices {according to Tim Cook}

Link: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011...

October last year 190 million android devices {according to google} minus {21 x 500 000 (android activations per day) = 10500000} So around 180 million android devices around the time Susan Creighton testified {and let's even be generous and assume she used data that was so up to date it was relevant for the very day she testified > an extremely unlikely event considering the sample sizes needed to determine this but any how}.

Link: http://thenextweb.com/google/2011/10/13/google-190...

Lets take off 2 million apple sales {obviously impossible to confirm} for the weeks after the statements and say their were 248 million iOS devices to google's 180 million then the numbers fall perfectly in line with what you would expect especially considering android's prevalence in china {68.4%} compared to apple's {5.7%} and that by far the most popular search engine in china is Baidu {not google}.

We know today their are 400 million android devices...

Link: http://www.neowin.net/images/uploaded/400mmioljune...

I know apple announced 365 million i Devices at WDC {up till march 30} > No idea how the numbers look today...

Link: http://9to5mac.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/apple-w...

In other words the numbers are almost exactly what one would expect given the distribution of iOS and android devices at the time unless you have something to back up your claim with today's numbers when google is actually in line with or slightly ahead of iOS, those old numbers prove nothing and certainly can't speak to the mobile landscape today especially since google has added roughly 220 million devices {more than double the 180 million} since that statement about nine months ago.


RE: If only it mattered....
By ltcommanderdata on 6/27/2012 8:35:21 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think your numbers of 248 million iOS devices vs 180 million Android devices at the time of Creighton's testimony explain the difference in search traffic Google saw as purely due to device distribution. Google saw 2x the search traffic from iOS as every other mobile OS while your numbers show the iOS installed base was only 1.38 times that of Android, which still leaves a large gap indicating increased usage per iOS user. That doesn't include Symbian, RIM, Windows Mobile, and Windows Phone installed base which falls into the 1/3rd slice of mobile search traffic with Android and would make it even less that a large iOS installed base is responsible for a high iOS usage share.

I agree that Google's mobile search statements are now 9 months old and things could have changed. However, if developer revenue is a proxy for platform usage, Flurry's studies of 70,000 developers across 185,000 apps, has consistently showed developers make 4x the revenue on iOS as on Android, in Q4 2011, Q1 2012, and thus far in Q2 2012. So at least in terms of developer revenue share, iOS has maintained a higher level of activity despite Android's impressive increase in installed base in the last 9 months. As I mentioned in another post, I think this is due to iOS targeting the mid to high-end market where users are likely more active and willing to spend more money, whereas Android targets the entire market from low to high-end and it's the low-end users that results in Android seeing less usage/revenue share than raw installed base comparisons would suggest. I don't doubt high-end market Android phones/consumers are just as active as high-end iOS users, perhaps even more so. But high-end Android phones/users may represent a smaller portion of total Android phones/users than high-end iOS phones/users to total iOS phones/users.

http://blog.flurry.com/bid/85911/App-Developers-Si...


RE: If only it mattered....
By matty123 on 6/27/2012 9:14:06 PM , Rating: 3
The flurry report has been discredited mainly due to the fact that flurry is used in less than 7% of android apps...

quote:
Last week Flurry Analytics released a report on iOS vs. Android titled “App Developers Signal Apple Allegiance Ahead of WWDC and Google I/O“. The report has been widely circulated around the internet, and generally accepted as factual with little or no critical review. A ZDNet investigation shows that the report’s math is flawed and its charts are misleading, thus throwing doubt onto all of its conclusions. Flurry’s report is broken up into four sections, and we found problems with all four. Two sections in particular, though, show the most glaring issues: one on new project starts, and one on platform fragmentation.


And a summary of the maths...

quote:
If you’ll excuse some quick, back-of-the-envelope calculations, Google claims 500,000 apps in their market, which works out to about 35,000 apps using Flurry. According to Flurry, their SDK is used by 185,000 apps, which comes to 150,000 for iOS and 35,000 for Android. Apple claims about 600,000 apps in the Apple app store, which means roughly 25% of iOS apps use Flurry. Now, in Q1 2012, the Flurry chart shows approximately 13,000 Flurry new project starts on iOS, and 6,000 new starts on Android. That’s how they got their ‘7 out of 10 are iOS’ figure, because 13,000/(13,000 + 6,000)=0.72. But if you take into account the percentage of apps on each platform that use Flurry, you get 52,000 new projects on iOS total (13,000/0.25), vs. 91,000 new projects on Android total (6,000/0.0658).


Link: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/burnette/flurry-report-o...

Another point of contention is that flurry's report {at least the version you linked to} leaves out the other android markets for example amazon...

Link: http://blog.flurry.com/bid/83604/For-Generating-Ap...

quote:
The chart above compares revenue generated per user across iOS, Amazon and Android app stores. We start by taking the revenue generated per user in the iTunes App Store and setting it to 100%. We then compare the relative revenue generated per active user from Amazon and Google to the amount of revenue per active user generated by the iTunes App Store. Doing so, we find that Amazon Appstore revenue per active user is 89% of iTunes App Store revenue, and Google Play revenue per active is 23% of iTunes App Store revenue. Another way to interpret the results is that, for the same number of users per platform, every $1.00 generated in the iTunes App Store, will also fetch $0.89 in the Amazon Appstore and $0.23 in Google Play. These results mirror those of a similar analysis conducted by Flurry last December, where we found for every $1.00 generated per user in the iTunes App Store, developers generated $0.24 per user in the Android Market.


Their are hundreds of android markets many of them more profitable than the play store and the cost to publish in all of them is effectively zero, the flurry report tries it's absolute best to paint android in a bad light when in other reports released by them {flurry} amazon apps are almost as profitable as iOS apps {and obviously these are just android apps > no extra work required to code them}. I personally make use of getJar, amazon, Samsung app store and the google play market {and almost all android users I know make use of two or three markets at least} so it stands to reason that the play store will never be as profitable as the only source of apple apps {the app store} but let's be clear that this doesn't mean that android apps arn't as profitable as iOS apps, also the flurry report only looks at cash revenue and ignores android's main business model > mobile adds, which are used by over half of all android apps, yet flurry conveniently leaves them out when equating revenue on each platform.

quote:
That doesn't include Symbian, RIM, Windows Mobile, and Windows Phone installed base


RIM and all windows phones use BING by default and symbian offers a choice of which you want but since we are being meticulous lets also add that many third party browsers on android don't use google by default {something not allowed on iOS}.

While I don't disagree with what you are saying about iphones and such being on the higher end {to a degree} using that flurry report to back your facts is weak sauce as so many people have bashed it as being completely {and with clear bias} way to pro iOS.


RE: If only it mattered....
By ltcommanderdata on 6/28/2012 2:43:14 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
The flurry report has been discredited mainly due to the fact that flurry is used in less than 7% of android apps...

When Flurry says their SDK is used by 185,000 mobile apps at the time of the survey (June 8), they appear to mean across all Flurry Analytics supported platforms including Blackberry, Windows Phone, JavaME, and HTML5.

http://www.flurry.com/product/analytics/index.html

quote:
Over 70,000 companies have chosen Flurry Analytics to use in more than 190,000 applications across iOS, Android, Blackberry, Windows Phone, JavaME and HTML5.

In the 3 weeks since that study was published Flurry is now up to 190,000 apps. Seeing Flurry found Android and iOS app starts in a quarter was around 18,000 apps, assuming an average weekly app start rate, 3 weeks is ~4100 new apps on Android and iOS plus some additional apps from other platforms, the 5000 app difference falls in line with expected app starts. So if 190,000 apps represents all Flurry SDK apps across all platforms now, 185,000 apps 3 weeks ago in the survey likewise represents all platforms and not just Android and iOS.

Flurry doesn't provide the platform breakdown for their SDK usage so knowing only 6.58% of Android apps use Flurry doesn't provide enough information to work out how many iOS apps use Flurry given there are a number of other platforms forming the pie. Ed Burnette's back of the envelope calculation that 25% of iOS apps use Flurry seems high anyways, but we can't actually say one way or another. There isn't enough data to conclude iOS Flurry SDK adoption is disproportionately large skewing the results or Flurry's conclusions.

quote:
Another point of contention is that flurry's report {at least the version you linked to} leaves out the other android markets for example amazon...

It would be interesting to find out what share of Android app downloads are done on Google Play vs other third-party markets. I would assume that Google still has good control of their platform and the clear majority of app purchases are done in Google Play. That would mean that while leaving out other markets is a definite weakness of the survey, it would only qualify the conclusion rather than completely change it. ie. cross-platform apps generate say 2-3x more revenue on iOS than Android rather than the 4x they concluded.

quote:
also the flurry report only looks at cash revenue and ignores android's main business model > mobile adds, which are used by over half of all android apps, yet flurry conveniently leaves them out when equating revenue on each platform.

http://blog.flurry.com/bid/83604/For-Generating-Ap...

quote:
We examine a basket of top-ranked apps that have similar presence across iOS, Amazon and Android. Their primary business models are in-app purchase, which is the revenue type we compare for this analysis. Additionally, earlier research by Flurry found that the in-app purchase revenue model generates the majority of revenue for apps.

It's true that Flurry doesn't really address the ad revenue question. They say that research has found in-app purchase generates the majority of app revenue which is why they focus on it, but they link to a study that compared revenue from paid apps vs. revenue from free-to-play apps, which often include ads, but they don't mention if they've included or excluded ad revenue in their total freemium revenue. By comparing in-app revenue made by the same apps while only varying the store (iTunes App Store, Google Play, and Amazon Appstore), Flurry is methodologically correct in isolating the effect of different stores on a given cross-platform app that is the "same" across all platforms. As you say though, the reality is that an app likely needs to adapt to each platform for best results.


RE: If only it mattered....
By elleehswon on 6/27/2012 3:53:49 PM , Rating: 2
For those of us android users who are using our devices for more than just a phone and browser, most of these new features will see plenty of use.

Also, you point out a very valid and noticable trend i've seen amongst the carriers. The sales reps tend to have no idea how to operate the products they sell. This is not the case at the apple store, where the iShepards do indeed demo the products they sell. That being said, I wouldn't fault the students for this(customers). I'd fault the teachers(sales reps).

So, there we are again, Tony...... You're pulling out statistics without grabbing context. It's good to see that you don't disappoint after your vacation. :P


RE: If only it mattered....
By IS81 on 6/27/2012 4:01:26 PM , Rating: 1
The conclusions drawn here are rather questionable.

1. Perhaps android users are using apps instead of a browser, which could imply that iOS users may be less proficient at finding, installing, and using apps. There's not enough data here to arrive at a solid conclusion either way.

2. Contrasting worldwide and UK statistics for one platform with US statistics for the other may not be a sufficient basis for making valid generalizations on WiFi usage differences between those platforms.


RE: If only it mattered....
By nolisi on 6/27/2012 4:18:01 PM , Rating: 1
Wow, those stats seem pretty dismal for Android.

Oh wait....

http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_browser-ww-month...

Statcounter uses a sample of 3 million websites while Net Applications uses a sample of 40,000 websites.

When you have a bias, it's nice to be able to have a market full of stats that you can cherrypick. :)

As far as enabling Wifi, another dubious statistic that doesn't take into account market conditions.

I'm relatively certain more Apple users have had to figure out wifi due to the lack of 4g on iPhone killing the browsing experience, especially when they're "holding it wrong." Plus users were for a long time stuck with AT&T and draconian data use limitations whereas Android users have a broader market who delayed moving to data limits, or introduced them in limited fashion.

Do me a favor, look up statistics for 4g use between Android and iPhone. Let me know what you come up with.

Here's a funny article from a more reputable source:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/03/10...


RE: If only it mattered....
By JasonMick (blog) on 6/27/2012 4:20:35 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Statcounter uses a sample of 3 million websites while Net Applications uses a sample of 40,000 websites.

When you have a bias, it's nice to be able to have a market full of stats that you can cherrypick. :)
Remember, Tony long held up Florian Mueller as an accurate, unbiased source of why Google was "doomed".

And then of course we all found out that Florian Mueller was a shill being paid off by Oracle.

Clearly Tony knows how to cherrypick and obfuscate like a fruit farmer -- or at least a fruit fan.


RE: If only it mattered....
By hexxthalion on 6/28/2012 9:41:28 AM , Rating: 2
"And then of course we all found out that Florian Mueller was a shill being paid off by Oracle."

you mean when Mueller publicly said that one of his clients is Oracle..hmm... well, he's a consultant, what would you expect him to do? Reject lucrative contract? He's done the right thing that he published this info on his blog.


RE: If only it mattered....
By theapparition on 6/28/2012 11:22:08 AM , Rating: 2
Problem is.....he got paid by Oracle long before divulging that info. That's a no-no.


RE: If only it mattered....
By retrospooty on 6/27/2012 4:25:25 PM , Rating: 2
"As far as enabling Wifi, another dubious statistic that doesn't take into account market conditions.

I'm relatively certain more Apple users have had to figure out wifi due to the lack of 4g on iPhone killing the browsing experience, especially when they're "holding it wrong.""


Exactly... I like to see Tony shut down sooner rather than later in these posts. He goes off with tail between legs faster that way. It's just better to pwn him early as opposed to later. =)


RE: If only it mattered....
By Cheesew1z69 on 6/27/2012 4:57:53 PM , Rating: 2
For the love of God, quit using "pwn". Pirks, I understand why he uses it. But you, come on man.


RE: If only it mattered....
By retrospooty on 6/27/2012 5:00:08 PM , Rating: 2
LOL... Crap... Did a little bit of his douche rub off on me? ick!


RE: If only it mattered....
By Tony Swash on 6/27/12, Rating: 0
RE: If only it mattered....
By retrospooty on 6/27/2012 5:53:51 PM , Rating: 2
Is that all you have Tony? Apple is better with updates? Of course, they have one phone. Not exactly a great thing, but you gotta ring your bell, regardless of the tone.

Meanwhile there are 1 million android's activated every day and the OS is getting better and better while IOS stagnates.


RE: If only it mattered....
By theapparition on 6/28/2012 11:34:19 AM , Rating: 2
Don't bother.

I used to think he had some intelligence. While i didn't agree with all his points, he at least attempted to back up some of his assertions....at least on the surface.

On closer look though, he chooses to post outdated cherry-picked data to support his flawed arguments. When countered, resorts to the "Apple makes record profits, everyone else loses money" herring.

But what do you call someone who only posts in Apple or their competitions articles? You never see him posting about SpaceX (for example) or new car tech. Nor do you see him coming back like a man and admitting he was wrong (Google vs Oracle, Apple vs Moto). Nope, he is troll through and through at best or paid shill at worse.

Either way, nothing useful coming from him.


RE: If only it mattered....
By retrospooty on 6/28/2012 12:00:03 PM , Rating: 2
"Don't bother. I used to think he had some intelligence. While i didn't agree with all his points, he at least attempted to back up some of his assertions....at least on the surface."

Oh, he's got some intelligence, he is certainly not dumb... What he is, is agenda driven. He very carefully and intelligently picks and chooses facts that help his agenda. So does testerguy and a few others. If you choose to look at every subject and only apply the things that help Apple and ignore anything that doesn't, while only applying the things that hurt apples competiton and and ignoring anything that doesn't then in that bubble scenario, Apple is the best at all things, and that is the point they try to push for whatever reason. So, I do bother. They spread disinformation, I have no problem countering it.

My only question is why? They spend alot of time and effort defending apple and "cherry picking" facts and info to try and make Apple appear in a much better light than reality dictates... Why? It can only be a few things. Either they are extreme fanboys that just cant stand to see Apple on the losing end of anything, or they are paid to spread disinformation, or they are delusional enough to not see how biased they are. Any of the 3 doesnt matter, they are all equally useless in the real world as they don't change any minds and they don't go unchallenged.

For the most part, when you point out that they "look at every subject and only pick and choose to mention the things that help Apple and ignore anything that doesn't, while they pick and choose to mention things that hurt apples competiton and ignoring anything that doesn't" they go away. They have no answer for that, so I use it often =)


RE: If only it mattered....
By Cheesew1z69 on 6/28/2012 12:20:19 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
troll through and through at best or paid shill at worse.
I have been saying this for a while now...


RE: If only it mattered....
By boeush on 6/27/2012 6:16:05 PM , Rating: 2
By the holiday quarter this year, the world will likely be mired in the second phase of the ongoing recession (with the double-dip being officially recognized.)

If that happens (and I think it's very likely), most luxury and discretionary purchases (which covers most of Apple's products) will grind to a halt.

In the end, substance is always more cost-effective than style. In tough times, cost-effectiveness rules over everything else.


RE: If only it mattered....
By Tony Swash on 6/27/12, Rating: 0
RE: If only it mattered....
By retrospooty on 6/27/2012 6:33:57 PM , Rating: 2
I guess it's all how you look at things. If you choose to look at every subject and only pay attention to the things that help Apple and ignore anything that doesn't, while only paying attention to the things that hurt Google and and ignoring anything that doesn't then all appears perfect. None of that means anything in the real world however. :P


RE: If only it mattered....
By sprockkets on 6/27/2012 6:36:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I predict 50 million iPhones sold in the holiday quarter this year - what's your prediction?


That you will continue trolling dailytech with non-sequiturs until you die.


RE: If only it mattered....
By nolisi on 6/28/2012 1:36:11 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
iOS 5 already easily trumps the 90% of Android handsets that are running Android 2.3.7 and older.


You seem to be under the mistaken impression that just because software is updated, it's better. iOS has been plagued with more and more bugs, necessitating these updates.

Further, it's always not as important as major hardware features. Call me back when iPhone finally joins 2011 and gets 4g.


RE: If only it mattered....
By Cheesew1z69 on 6/28/2012 1:38:47 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You seem to be under the mistaken impression
Look at who you are responding to....that's should explain it...


RE: If only it mattered....
By troysavary on 6/28/2012 1:36:24 AM , Rating: 1
Here, I'll fix it for you.

quote:
Mac Os is the Bigfoot of the desktop OS world - apparently impressive but never seen in the wild. Talking up it's beauty or advantage or superiority seems ultimately futile. If it don't sell it don't count. Let's set the bar really low, call me back when Mac OS desktop sales gets past 10% of Windows sales. I am prepared to be patent and wait.


I predict that by Christmas, there will be more Win 8 desktops alone than Mac desktops total.


RE: If only it mattered....
By themaster08 on 6/28/2012 2:30:01 AM , Rating: 3
I predict by the end of next year there will be more Windows 8 devices than Macs, iPhones, iPods and iPads combined.


RE: If only it mattered....
By troysavary on 6/28/2012 1:36:40 AM , Rating: 2
Here, I'll fix it for you.

quote:
Mac Os is the Bigfoot of the desktop OS world - apparently impressive but never seen in the wild. Talking up it's beauty or advantage or superiority seems ultimately futile. If it don't sell it don't count. Let's set the bar really low, call me back when Mac OS desktop sales gets past 10% of Windows sales. I am prepared to be patent and wait.


I predict that by Christmas, there will be more Win 8 desktops alone than Mac desktops total.


RE: If only it mattered....
By troysavary on 6/28/2012 1:36:49 AM , Rating: 2
Here, I'll fix it for you.

quote:
Mac Os is the Bigfoot of the desktop OS world - apparently impressive but never seen in the wild. Talking up it's beauty or advantage or superiority seems ultimately futile. If it don't sell it don't count. Let's set the bar really low, call me back when Mac OS desktop sales gets past 10% of Windows sales. I am prepared to be patent and wait.


I predict that by Christmas, there will be more Win 8 desktops alone than Mac desktops total.


RE: If only it mattered....
By troysavary on 6/28/2012 1:37:15 AM , Rating: 2
Here, I'll fix it for you.

quote:
Mac Os is the Bigfoot of the desktop OS world - apparently impressive but never seen in the wild. Talking up it's beauty or advantage or superiority seems ultimately futile. If it don't sell it don't count. Let's set the bar really low, call me back when Mac OS desktop sales gets past 10% of Windows sales. I am prepared to be patent and wait.


RE: If only it mattered....
By boeush on 6/27/2012 6:09:31 PM , Rating: 1
I realize I'm only a sample of 1, but my particular usage pattern on my Droid X2 might be helping to skew the statistics (and I may not be the only such user).

The reason is, I routinely toggle my web browser's UAString option to "Desktop" from the default "Android". That's because I HATE (with a passion) most of the "mobile-optimized" web sites, and my phone is quite powerful enough to render and navigate full-blown sites without any issues (yes, even those containing the dreaded Flash, and gobs of Javascript.)

Thus, web sites that I visit are deceived into thinking that my phone is actually a PC, and therefore most of my daily browsing wouldn't show up on the Android stats. That doesn't mean I don't spend a couple of hours each day browsing the 'net via my phone, though :-)


RE: If only it mattered....
By nrhpd527 on 6/28/2012 9:06:02 AM , Rating: 2
^^^ This. I too change my browser settings (love Dolphin Browser HD) depending on whether the site renders better as an iPhone (5%), iPad (10%), Android (10%), or desktop (75%), so my numbers are rarely being reported as Android. . Because of the fact that iOS users who are not jailbroken are not able to do this, the percentage of Android users who can is obviously higher since Dolphin runs on any Android regardless of being rooted), I bet the web traffic numbers are skewed.


RE: If only it mattered....
By petrosy on 6/27/2012 11:23:07 PM , Rating: 1
Come on Tony... you not even trying!

The discrepancies could be due the following...
Android users live in the Google App ecosystems. So calls to GMAIL,GMAPS,YouTube and even searches and rss feeds can be done directly to Google via RFC and never actually accessing the browser thus lowering the statistic score you quoted..

So the fact that iPhone users are force to use that piece of c..safari more often, means there will be more data logged against that browser.

And as for making quaint phone calls... hey atleast Android users are able to do that with out having a to use a special grip! It is a phone after all or have you forgotten that.

Maybe DT should allow us to post picture on to the forum to help explain stuff to Tony


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