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Applications for Windows will work on Chrome

Google is looking to rival many firms that are big names in the hardware and software business. One of the key rivals that Google is focusing on is Microsoft in the software realm. Google has been offering its cloud-based productivity applications for a while now to businesses and end users with offerings like Google Docs that are compatible with Microsoft Office file types.

Google talked more about its coming operating system at Computex in Taiwan this week. Google reports that it intends to launch its operating system, dubbed Chrome OS, in the late fall of 2010. We already know a lot of what there is to know about Chrome with the OS having been officially announced back in November of 2009. Google also offered some information on its cloud printing scheme for the OS in April 2010.

Yahoo News quotes Google VP of product management Sundar Pichai as saying, "We are working on bringing the device later this fall." He continues stating, "It's something which we are very excited by ... We expect it to reach millions of users on day one."

Reuters quotes Pichai saying, "Chrome OS is one of the few future operating systems for which there are already millions of applications that work. You don't need to redesign Gmail for it to work on Chrome. Facebook does not need to write a new app for Chrome."

The real question for the Chrome OS is will hardware manufacturers support the OS. The OS will be open source and might woo some hardware makers to offer it on their netbooks, which is the market where Chrome OS is aimed.



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*yawn*
By MrBlastman on 6/2/2010 10:16:10 AM , Rating: 3
This isn't big news to me. I'm perfectly happy being complacent with Windows on my PC for now, occasionally tinkering in Linux. I like having the option to pull up the command prompt. I like having full control of my computer. I like actually KNOWING what is on it (ahem, Apple, you are guilty of the opposite) and most importantly, where it is so I can place my hands on it.

I like having a reliable filesystem. I like having the ability to load what I want, when I want on it. I like being able to turn on applications without being connected to the internet.

I like being able to store data on my PC that is separate from other people around the world.

I like... not having to share. Basically, my PC is my playground, my own little house within my house that is mine to what I please with. Chrome OS? I think I need to go back to taking a nap. Wake me up when there is some important news.




RE: *yawn*
By Kurz on 6/2/2010 10:33:34 AM , Rating: 3
Isn't Chrome OS based on Linux?


RE: *yawn*
By MrBlastman on 6/2/2010 10:46:29 AM , Rating: 5
I believe it is. The thing that makes me so tepid towards it is the reliance of using the Chrome browser to access everything on the device it is on. In other words, no direct control towards the PC--that and its heavy gearing towards only web-based apps.

Basically they took Linux, butchered it and dumbed it down in an Apple-like manner. Features? It isn't about features anymore to them, it is about accessibility (or lack of).


RE: *yawn*
By Alexstarfire on 6/2/2010 11:36:17 AM , Rating: 3
Isn't this geared more toward portable devices though, like tablets? I never liked the sound of it from the start, but I'd like to get a hands on feel for it before I make my decision.


RE: *yawn*
By zmatt on 6/2/2010 10:40:54 AM , Rating: 5
cloud scares me, a lot. I like local file systems and you can talk all day about productivity but it removes a level of security and ownership from the user. not to mention privacy. I could see google down the road using the stored information to gain ad data like facebook has been attempting to do. Google does good work and their free software is great, but i will only trust them to a point.


RE: *yawn*
By quiksilvr on 6/2/2010 12:58:53 PM , Rating: 3
If that is the case, there is no need for you to put that data online.

I am sure Google Chrome OS gives you offline file saving on your computer without having it available online. I mean, look at MeeGo. They give you offline access to documents and files.


RE: *yawn*
By drycrust3 on 6/2/2010 4:15:49 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
I am sure Google Chrome OS gives you offline file saving on your computer


My reading of the early media reports for the Chrome OS was it didn't have any HDD capability, although in hindsight that can't be right because you'd need some to update the OS ... or maybe you don't. Maybe they just "reinstall" the OS every so many months.
The big problem I see is there isn't any online website that comes even close to matching the Microsoft Office Suite in capability. The only suite that comes even close is OpenOffice, but that has to be run from a HDD.
To me, as an Ubuntu user, I don't have a problem with yet another Linux OS in the sense that anyone who wants to should be allowed to build one, but in another sense I think they would have been better improving things like OpenOffice Suite, so that it is much more capable.
My experience with Ubuntu / OpenOffice is that mathematical formulas (excuse my poor Latin) won't being rendered correctly, and that to see a document correctly you need to receive it as a PDF file.
As I see it, for Chrome OS to be taken even half seriously it has to at least be capable of receiving, editing, and sending documents and spreadsheets and powerpoints etc, and not just in English either, and that it has instant messaging capability (and that doesn't just mean "chat", it means voice talking as well).
There is an old saying along the lines of "Why reinvent the wheel?", and the same applies here. Why not take an existing wheel and attach it to a better suspension system or put a better tyre on it?


RE: *yawn*
By Micronite on 6/2/2010 10:41:41 AM , Rating: 2
I think most DT readers will agree with you.

That said, I love virtualization and I fully intend to add ChromeOS to my list of many Virtual Boxes I have set up. Why? Perhaps the better question is: Why not? It only really takes up my hard drive space when it's not running. For now, I have plenty to spare and when it gets tight, I just zap a Virtual Box and keep going.


RE: *yawn*
By inperfectdarkness on 6/2/2010 10:46:42 AM , Rating: 2
how about this?

how about i continue using google search on my windows-based laptop; and i use bing on my android-based smartphone.

i'm not about to put all my eggs in one basket (or any of them in apple's basket).


RE: *yawn*
By jeepga on 6/2/2010 12:30:07 PM , Rating: 3
The industry led by companies like Google and Apple seem to be pushing computing into the appliance idiom. I prefer my computers to be tools.

My biggest problem is the underlying push by Google to get you to trust them. With their OS I'm assuming they'll have all your data when it comes to their applications. They'll know where you shop, what your hobbies are, what your political leanings are, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if China clones their OS and makes it mandatory on all their computers so that they can keep tabs on all of their people.


RE: *yawn*
By Jeffk464 on 6/3/2010 12:12:47 AM , Rating: 2
Why not just make an android based OS for computers, like androids big brother so to speak.


RE: *yawn*
By roadhog1974 on 6/7/2010 6:21:34 PM , Rating: 2
Google sees itself as an enterprise software house.
Which means if you are not supporting 10,000+ machines
they are not that interested in you.

If you are supporting 10,000+ machines this is big
news, if it works.

10,000 less windows licences, 10,000 less citrix licences.
Simpler hardware, not having to mess around with client
software.

Massive savings, if it works.


not really...
By Mojo the Monkey on 6/2/2010 10:58:55 AM , Rating: 4
The title subtext is misleading. The article doesnt say that windows applications will somehow be compatible with Chrome OS - which is what made me stop to read this article. They are finagling words here.

What they are really trying to say is that plenty of browser-based "applications" like gmail, docs, facebook, etc. will work just fine with their built in Chrome browser. And if thats the case, why not report on all those mobile phones now running PC-compatible applications that didnt need to be rewritten!

I seriously doubt I could install MS Office 2007 on Chrome OS.




RE: not really...
By mcnabney on 6/2/10, Rating: -1
RE: not really...
By amanojaku on 6/2/2010 1:05:47 PM , Rating: 3
It's true that licensing fees are generally more than they're supposed to be, but it's my understanding that they can be negotiated down to a point. As a second option a lot of organizations just stick with older, possibly unsupported software to avoid the additional licensing, testing and validation costs.

And let's not believe that Google Docs, or any other replacement from any vendor, is free, either. It may not cost the end user money, but it costs the developers a lot. Google is not in the development business, however. It's in information retrieval and data mining, along with data sales. It just so happens that the technology it uses to do all that is useful in other ways it can make money.


RE: not really...
By sviola on 6/2/2010 1:28:58 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
No, you would use Google Docs which does all of the same things.


No it doesn't. Try running complex spreadsheets and you see for yourself.

quote:
Pretty soon the only reason to have Windows around is to play PC games..... oh wait, maybe not even for that.


I doubt that will happen anytime soon.


RE: not really...
By FITCamaro on 6/2/2010 11:20:52 PM , Rating: 2
Yes because businesses instead want to have their data open to security holes because its all located remotely.


browser based, big surprise
By taber on 6/2/2010 12:58:21 PM , Rating: 2
Of course Google would love people to run an OS that wasn't good for much else than getting at web based content since that's most all they are. I think this is aiming more for tablets, but I'll be much more interested in Android or WebOS based tablets than this.

I don't want to get completely away from apps that run on my computer. Part of the use of portable computing is the fact it'll sometimes be taken to places without internet access. Between that, privacy concerns and data caps, I don't want to rely on an internet connection all the time.




RE: browser based, big surprise
By johnr81 on 6/2/2010 1:02:51 PM , Rating: 2
I think Google is at odds with itself for having both Android and Chrome OS. My guess is Android will be more popular than Chrome OS when considered for the same scenarios.


RE: browser based, big surprise
By Taft12 on 6/2/2010 3:08:50 PM , Rating: 2
Android is for phones, Chrome is for netbooks and tablets.

They would never be considered for the same scenarios, so Google is not at odds with itself.


RE: browser based, big surprise
By johnr81 on 6/2/2010 6:18:39 PM , Rating: 2
Android is being used for tablets, there is definitely overlap and that's where I see Chrome OS shining best. I don't see many people wanting a hobbled version of Linux on their netbook, laptop or desktop. Dell, MSI and Archos come to mind off the top of my head:
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/06/asus-msi-ta...
http://www.dailytech.com/Dells+AndroidPowered+Stre...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...


No **$#
By amanojaku on 6/2/2010 11:37:49 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
"Chrome OS is one of the few future operating systems for which there are already millions of applications that work. You don't need to redesign Gmail for it to work on Chrome. Facebook does not need to write a new app for Chrome."
Those are web-based applications, which make up a minority of the most commonly used applications. They'll work on any OS that has a compliant browser, so I don't see what all the fuss is about. I'm more interested in this, and the fact that there's nothing in the article to back up the headline's claim.
quote:
Applications for Windows will work on Chrome
You're saying I can run my Windows binaries of Office in Chrome?




RE: No **$#
By Taft12 on 6/2/2010 3:13:31 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Those are web-based applications, which make up a minority of the most commonly used applications.


You don't seem to be familiar with the usage patterns of most of the world's PCs.

Web browser, email client, office apps. Almost every PC user uses only those and Chrome is looking to take OS dependency away from the last one.


Why so many different operating systems?
By AntDX316 on 6/5/2010 5:07:54 AM , Rating: 2
Windows, OSX, Linux, basically all the same just the interface is different. Honestly, Windows 7 if paired with a high end pc will do everything you want without you having to think about the pc.




RE: Why so many different operating systems?
By Setsunayaki on 6/6/2010 1:19:34 AM , Rating: 2
Sure ^^

After spending hours downloading OpenSource applications to cover most of the bloatware. Oh, let us not forget that windows is ok...until One specific file fails and forces you to reinstall the entire OS.

If the Registry itself gets corrupted, say bye bye to your OS. Same thing is true about IE. IE is part of the core that makes Windows in all versions. If IExplorer takes a hit, so does Explorer itself and thanks to SVCHOST and the way the OS works...you can kiss it goodbye.

How about Security? Has anyone here ever noticed that you can chmod a directory to 555 and flash and many other files STILL WRITE to that directory, overriding your access levels...while on Linux you actually get an error saying that it can not write to file...

Oh yeah...most windows users do not know that most blue screens of death are triggered by Microsoft's own OS Internals to prevent users from getting too close to the core of the OS, but there are ways that one can actually get around them to the point that where a BSOD is supposed to occur, one averts it....and finds nothing wrong with the OS. (This happened a lot on Windows XP and Vista...I have yet to test Windows 7).

Didn't you guys notice that when a blue-screen occurs, its part of a program that delivers the blue screen to you and then it actually REBOOTS YOUR Computer....while other OSes just fail on the spot (I.E being a REAL FAILURE)?

Wow...What a nice way of hiding an "Operating System General Protection Fault" by the means of a BSOD...

I'll stick to my linux and its Kernel and use Windows for its primary use...Gaming! ^_^


By FearTec on 6/7/2010 8:51:38 AM , Rating: 2
>by Setsunayaki: If the Registry itself gets corrupted, say bye bye to your OS.

"/dev/sda2: Input/output error
mount: /dev/sda2: can't read superblock"


Windows Apps?
By ThatMatthew on 6/2/2010 11:33:33 AM , Rating: 5
"Applications for Windows will work on Chrome"

Nothing in the article supports this statement, which is the reason I clicked the link in the first place. I re-read it just to make sure.

Surely you're not under the impression that Gmail and Facebook are Windows apps, right? They are websites.

Can you install Office, AIM, Media Player, or Steam on Chrome? I doubt it.

Please revise the article to support your claim.




Perils of digital
By Cru on 6/2/2010 11:28:11 AM , Rating: 2
I got to blockbuster.. see burnout paradise for 9.99 used.
Go to PSN, see the same game for it's original 39.99.. it's not even that price in the store anymore, but since it's digital, there's no used sales market to help drive down the price. That's where we're headed.




RE: Perils of digital
By Taft12 on 6/2/2010 3:15:13 PM , Rating: 2
Thank you for a bit of sanity. It's shocking how supposedly tech-savvy DT crowd with their love of iTunes/e-books/DLC are happy with this arrangement.


Opt in or out
By Uncle on 6/2/2010 12:35:44 PM , Rating: 3
So instead of adding a toolbar to my browser if I want to be followed around the net, such as Yahoo, Ask, google, and all the others,I just have to use Chrome OS, the Ultimate Data Miner. What a relief, I'll have extra space on my desktop.




One (Google) to rule them all?
By xeddit on 6/2/2010 12:30:00 PM , Rating: 2
So if Chrome browser is bundled with Chrome OS, does the same concerns/complaints over MS bundling IE apply?

I am all for diversity, but am hesitant with going with one company for OS, browser, email, search engine.. because nothing of mine will be safe from their (WiFi like) data mining practices...




BOB
By Ammohunt on 6/2/2010 2:26:27 PM , Rating: 2
Chrome OS will be googles Microsoft BOB there isn't a demand for this type of software nor can they generate it.




This scares me...
By ChristopherO on 6/2/2010 4:45:25 PM , Rating: 2
I applaud Google for innovation, Android is turning out to be a better product in some ways than the iPhone. Without competition, neither company would really push the envelope.

However, I don't understand Google-love. This is a company that makes almost *all* of its money on advertising and marketing. As a result, they collect a huge amount of data on you.

Everyone yells about privacy, but then runs to an Internet company who basically makes all their money on not giving you any.

Everyone hates the credit agencies, but doing business with Google is like voluntarily calling the three credit agencies every time you buy something, or have some event happen in your life.

I admire what Google has done, but I like a straightforward relationship with a company. With Microsoft Windows or Mac OSX you give them money for a product, and that's it... There is no exchange of personal data. Sure MS has HotMail, and Apple MobileMe, but you don't *have* to use their services and dump all your personal data on someone else's servers.

Plus the cloud has its time and place, but if everyone gets a GMail account, one would think that half the hackers on the planet are going to try to break into their system. At least with typical Exchange servers, or POP mail from an ISP, the risk is spread out. If someone screws up it isn't going to impact a half-billion user accounts.

Risk of a hack goes down, but the damage done by a successful one goes way up.

If anything comes out of this, I hope that Google at least makes Linux usable. OSX is basically a very user-friendly version of BSD. I have yet to see a Linux version that I'd let my mother use.




By FrankJBones on 6/3/2010 12:54:19 PM , Rating: 2
Saying two websites will not have to be redesigned =/= Windows Applications running on ChromeOS. Jump to conclusions much?




Google OS
By 2bdetermine on 6/3/2010 4:40:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Applications for Windows will work on Chrome

quote:
Google to Dump Windows Internally Due to Security Concerns


So I guessed malicious code will have no problem running on Google OS.




Not a Mick article?!
By Icelight on 6/3/2010 6:27:56 PM , Rating: 2
With a sensational subtext like that I figured it was guaranteed to be a Mick article.

I hope he isn't rubbing off on the rest of the DT contributors.




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