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Google is integrating Google+ into Gmail so that users of the social network can email you, even if they're complete strangers that don't have your email address

Email usually feels like a private place on the Web (for the most part). It's not like Facebook, where anyone in the world can easily find you by name and try to contact you. In other words, you'd expect to find a message from an old acquaintance on Facebook, but not in your private email if you've never exchanged addresses -- until now.
According to the Gmail Blog, Google is integrating Google+ into Gmail so that users of the social network can email you, even if they're complete strangers that don't have your email address. 
Gmail users will see a new setting called "Email via Google+" in the coming days, although Google said it wouldn’t be functional right away. When the feature is turned on, Google will email users to let them know it's active. 
The feature doesn't reveal your email address to the other Google+ user that decided to contact you, and you also won't receive Google+ mail in your "Primary" inbox, but rather the "Social" tab. 
If you're not interested in taking part, users can opt out by selecting the "no one" option for the feature's settings. 
Google is clearly determined to make Google+ a service people actually use, as the social network has been pretty quiet since its summer 2011 release
Google Executive Chairman Eric Schmidt made his 2014 predictions for Bloomberg TV recently, and he said his biggest mistake was missing the train when it came to social networking, but added that that won't be the case in 2014. 
"The biggest mistake that I made was not anticipating the rise of the social networking phenomenon," said Schmidt. "Not a mistake we’re going to make again. I guess in our defense we were busy working on many other things, but we should have been in that area and I take responsibility for that."

Source: Gmail Blog

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DT Strikes Again
By Reclaimer77 on 1/10/2014 11:12:20 AM , Rating: 1
Much like the rumor DT stated as if fact, that even if you aren't a Gmail user that somehow your info was being stolen if you receive mails from a Gmail account, this also reeks of BS.

But it's great clickbait!

RE: DT Strikes Again
By MrBlastman on 1/10/2014 11:16:08 AM , Rating: 5
Well Google certainly is pushy about the Google+ crap. The thing that pisses me off lately is on tertiary sites like Youtube that repeatedly ask: "Why not use your real name? Change your handle so everyone likes you more," or BS like that. You tell them no and they keep asking you again and again.

RE: DT Strikes Again
By tomx78 on 1/10/2014 11:42:32 AM , Rating: 2
You tell them no and they keep asking you again and again.

Can't you tell them yes and change it to fake name or confirm that your current profile name is your real name? How would they check if this is not true?

RE: DT Strikes Again
By Solandri on 1/10/2014 12:38:50 PM , Rating: 2
If you have a Youtube account and Gmail account, the only choices you get are your old Youtube account name, or your Gmail (real) name. If you don't have a Gmail account, I suppose you can make one with a fake name. But I've been hearing more and more stories of Gmail accounts with fake names (e.g. a gmail account for receiving support emails for your business) being shut down.

I'm not really sure how Google managed to link my Youtube account with (one of my) Gmail account. The usernames are different. I only login to leave about 3 Youtube comments a year, and use that Gmail address about once a month. And I have my browser set to wipe cookies and history upon closing.

I mean I actually like Google+ and use it, but the way they're pushing it onto people who don't want it is, well, evil.

RE: DT Strikes Again
By jonesy1152 on 1/10/2014 11:37:04 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not really sure how Google managed to link my Youtube account with (one of my) Gmail account.

I'm going to guess by IP address. I think that's how it happened with me. Google tried to set my separate email accounts up on the same login screen - I opted out, brought up an old bookmark from one of my emails. Now I select the account I want from LastPass pull-down menu.

Google still likely knows they're all me. I don't care - so long as they don't publicly join them together in any way.

As for the email thing in the article, a few hours ago I got the notice, made a few settings to my liking, and don't expect it to be a problem. If it becomes a problem for me, then I'll re-evaluate and go from there.

While I don't like the way Google is going about this, I don't see it as nefarious, directly anyway; it's simply that for them it's logical in light of how and what they do. Apart from dealing with the occasional hassle of carefully managing accounts and settings, I don't care in relation to the original bargain I made with Google for anonymous ad-targeting in exchange for the convenience of using Gmail. This is not to say I'm happy with those hassles, tho.

RE: DT Strikes Again
By Disorganise on 1/12/2014 6:07:36 PM , Rating: 2
Must be more than IP - does the browser leak hostname info or something? Otherwise if it was just IP you'd have it trying to link with your partners account etc.

RE: DT Strikes Again
By NellyFromMA on 1/13/2014 12:56:02 PM , Rating: 2
Because Google's TOS revision allows them to aggregate your data in ways that are more "useful" to you. Or is it more useful for them? You can decide that for yourself.

RE: DT Strikes Again
By npcomplete on 1/11/2014 2:21:17 AM , Rating: 2
Can't you tell them yes and change it to fake name or confirm that your current profile name is your real name? How would they check if this is not true?

They actually try to detect fake names and it prevented me from using my aliases.
If you opt for any of the G+ stuff, including Youtube, you can't use fake names or they shut you down.

gmail alone, without G+ integration, still does not require real names though.

RE: DT Strikes Again
By Flunk on 1/10/2014 12:21:42 PM , Rating: 2
You can solve that by creating a Youtube channel and then telling it you want to post using your channel name. You never actually need to post anything to your channel.

RE: DT Strikes Again
By MrBlastman on 1/10/2014 12:47:30 PM , Rating: 2
I do that. They keep asking me--hoping I'll click the wrong button.

Maybe it is because I use MVPS Host Files. That probably irritates the tar out of them.

RE: DT Strikes Again
By bug77 on 1/10/2014 1:12:06 PM , Rating: 2
Wait. You log in to browse Youtube?

RE: DT Strikes Again
By amanojaku on 1/10/2014 1:29:54 PM , Rating: 2
You have to be signed in to browse porn and other objectionable stuff.

That's what I heard, anyway. I get my porn from other places. ;)

RE: DT Strikes Again
By npcomplete on 1/11/2014 2:30:40 AM , Rating: 2
While youtube has relaxed its rules so that it allows a female nipple to occasionally be shown in certain contexts, they most definitely do not allow anything even approaching soft porn. The irony is that anything too sexy *without nudity*--or offensive without sexuality, like too much swearing--gets treated like porn, being restricted to 18+, and the same with nudity gets removed when flagged.

RE: DT Strikes Again
By lagomorpha on 1/11/2014 9:20:09 AM , Rating: 2
Also anything politically controversial or containing offensive humor is often restricted to 18+ and requires a sign in. It seems as though users who disagree with certain videos will just flag it as "inappropriate" and once a few people do that it automatically gets restricted.

RE: DT Strikes Again
By MrBlastman on 1/10/2014 2:27:48 PM , Rating: 2
I use Youtube's "playlist" feature heavily, along with favorites. I also upload streams I record through :)

RE: DT Strikes Again
By Beefmeister on 1/10/2014 11:56:09 AM , Rating: 3
I think that the DT summary is pretty good; there is no concern over info being stolen, but the concerns about the crossover of separate virtual worlds is quite valid.

In my case, the people I interact with via social networks are very different from the people I interact with via email, and I want to keep them separate. Google is trying to break that barrier down in order to push G+. They are free to do that, free service and all - but I am *absolutely* opting out.

RE: DT Strikes Again
By Ammohunt on 1/10/2014 1:21:40 PM , Rating: 2
I agree, i got rid of my Google+ Profile over this; i never used it much but even then if i use social networking i want to use it on my terms or not at all.

RE: DT Strikes Again
By bug77 on 1/10/2014 2:42:45 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think there's a social network that can be used on your own terms. Or any product you don't own, for that matter.

RE: DT Strikes Again
By Ammohunt on 1/10/2014 3:45:45 PM , Rating: 2
Hence the reason i added the "not at all" bit. I have lived most of my life without Social Networking and have been just fine.

RE: DT Strikes Again
By HangFire on 1/10/2014 3:50:01 PM , Rating: 2
I dropped out of Google+ over the sponsored ad bruhaha last year. They opted me in and I had to go track it down and opt out, and kept going all the way out of Google+. Then I got an Android phone and found myself back in Google+. Curious, I never said "yes" to that question. I thought it was Google Now because leaving Google+ a second time dropped me out of Google Now. So I tested that by rejoining Google Now and I'm still out of Google+ but in Google Now.

Maybe I'm chasing a moving target of Google+ versus Rest-of-Google overlapping functionality. If so it won't matter soon. I'm moving my email, social networking, picture, and cloud file services to competing providers, accessed using unrelated accounts. If this means I cannot comment on Youtube, lol I can live with that.

RE: DT Strikes Again
By Reclaimer77 on 1/10/14, Rating: -1
RE: DT Strikes Again
By Beefmeister on 1/10/2014 5:47:04 PM , Rating: 2
I'm just trying to understand the problem here.

I absolutely agree that account names and passwords should be consistent across services. But separation of real names, screen names, and email addresses could still be done within this.

For people who try to use Gmail somewhat professionally, G+ socially, and Youtube to watch stupid stuff - do you really think it is a good idea that other people are able to make connections between these different activities so easily? For example, if somebody disagrees with a Youtube comment you made, they can find you on G+, and under these new default settings, they can send you an email.

Google could easily maintain these services and screen-names as separate entities and maintain their ecosystem. Yes, free service, opt-outs and all that...... but that doesn't stop this from being a very anti-user move that is adding to the semi-forcible move towards G+.

RE: DT Strikes Again
By p05esto on 1/10/2014 2:25:11 PM , Rating: 2
I try to never use any Google services at all. If you use Chrome you basically have to log into your email, you have to have Google+ and all of that BS. I just turn it all off and won't use any of it. I demand to be annonymous online... on DT or anywhere else. I don't want my real name attached to anything at all.

RE: DT Strikes Again
By bug77 on 1/10/2014 2:44:14 PM , Rating: 2
You don't have to log into anything to use Chrome. The G+ profile can be completely removed, so...

RE: DT Strikes Again
By p05esto on 1/12/2014 4:31:24 PM , Rating: 2
While true, you have to really work to use youtube/gmail/chrome and other Google services without linking everything together and logigng in. You might think you are not logged in, but you are in many cases. Clear everything on a computer or use a new PC and then try to use those services without creating master accounts and linking things up.... good luck. Chrome will bug you forever until you sign into one service....then magically it will stop pestering so much. Believe what you want, it's not BS.

RE: DT Strikes Again
By Reclaimer77 on 1/10/2014 3:44:46 PM , Rating: 1
If you use Chrome you basically have to log into your email, you have to have Google+ and all of that BS.

Uh yeah that's bullshit.

RE: DT Strikes Again
By futrtrubl on 1/11/2014 3:57:56 AM , Rating: 2
Not sure what you are smoking because I am using Chrome but nothing else Google... well except the original Google thing, search.

RE: DT Strikes Again
By frobizzle on 1/13/2014 8:31:48 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed. I use their search engine and the Android Play Store. The thing about the Play Store that makes me laugh out loud is that they now require you to have a Google+ account in order to rate apps or write reviews. Oh well, as I do not want (and will never have) a Google+ account, I don't have to bother with rating/reviewing apps.

RE: DT Strikes Again
By troysavary on 1/10/2014 7:25:00 PM , Rating: 4
Why not actually read the gmail blog before you accuse DT of making stuff up? Yes, Google is allowing people who do not know your e-mail address to send you an e-mail. It says exactly that in their own blog. Tiffany didn't just post some rumour she heard.

That said, it doesn't appear to actually be a big deal. People in your circles will be able to send e-mail directly to your inbox. But I am assuming that anyone you place in your circle is someone you are ok with hearing from anyway. E-mails from strangers will go to your social tab. Plus, that stranger can only send you one message that way unless you reply. Once you reply, it can turn into a regular gmail conversation. If you choose not to reply they cannot send any more. I can't see a problem with this.

By p05esto on 1/10/2014 2:22:55 PM , Rating: 4
Why won't all social media just DIE already. I have no use for it and think people who post stupid crap about themselves are vain and totally full of themselves. They are always total turds when you meet them in real life.

RE: why
By Beefmeister on 1/10/2014 5:52:40 PM , Rating: 1
Oh, go suck it, they have their uses. I live on the opposite side of the world from most of my friends and family, and various social medias are by far the easiest way to keep up to date with them on day-to-day life.

RE: why
By chmilz on 1/10/2014 6:24:49 PM , Rating: 1
If that's all you see on social media, you associate with losers.

RE: why
By p05esto on 1/12/2014 4:34:51 PM , Rating: 2
If you use Twitter in any capacity whatsoever you are a TURD. Why post your boring life on Facebook when you can skype or email and communicate even easier with those so-called relatives all over the world? Or is that your excuse for posting your life on social media to show off to others and pretend that anyone cares at all about your lame life?

I don't say this to you directly, just in general about social media and people that use it.

By croc on 1/10/2014 6:16:57 PM , Rating: 3
I joined Gmail about as soon as it was available, public email offerings were slim at the time. Hotmail totally irked me one time too many, Yahoo! was not a sure candidate for longevity, so Gmail it was. I don't 'do' social networking, I value my privacy too much. I just needed an email account that wasn't tied to anything, a few ads were a small price to pay.

Seperatly, I have a you tube account. There are a few tutorial type things to do with animation that I subscribe to...

Along came this G+ nonsense. I don't want it, didn't ask for it, and I wish that Google would respect my intellect by offering me the chance to opt into this kind of thing after explaining to me what it was and why I should want it, rather than me waking up one day and finding out that I am a 'member' of this little 'club' that I did not know about, did not want to be involved in and which took me a not inconsiderable amount of time to make myself a non-involved participant of.

Eric, are you listening? Let me tell you the one about the horse and the water trough... Then let me tell you that this horse prefers to choose the trough from which he drinks, thank you.

All the above being said, once I opted out of whatever I did not want to be part of, I seem to have stayed 'opted out'. After a few nags to sign in with my google+ credentials, or 'real name' foolishnesses, I don't get many nags anymore.

Gmail is still a pretty reliable email service, and the ads I see aren't too high a price (still) to pay for a pretty good free email account.

Get lost Google
By damianrobertjones on 1/11/2014 6:33:31 PM , Rating: 3
You failed yet are now thrusting + into anything and everything just to make it work. You suck as a company and you suck as a service provider.


P.s. Thanks for destroying Youtube and pandering to the copyright crowd. (Yet all the kids love you as they're so easily manipulated)

It's about time to un-Google...
By half_duplex on 1/14/2014 10:54:41 AM , Rating: 2
This is probably the last straw for me.

Recently I was on a friends computer, I checked my gmail, then logged out. I then googled "Frontier Airlins" to check in for a flight, and the first hit was information about MY FLIGHT.


The net should remain anonymous.

Reclamier77, what if the next time you commented on DT Google had created an "ecosystem" that shared your real name with all of us here?

"When an individual makes a copy of a song for himself, I suppose we can say he stole a song." -- Sony BMG attorney Jennifer Pariser
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