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Google stands accused of using its Android smart phone market giant to crush the competition.  (Source: AP Photo)
Is Google abusing its dominant position to proselytize its services?

The world's most popular smartphone operating system, Google Inc.'s (GOOG) Android OS, can't seem to catch a break these days.  If its not being attacked in court [1][2][3][4][5by rival smartphone maker Apple, Inc. (AAPL) whose looking to forcibly remove its products from market [1][2] with lawsuits, it's being probed by antitrust investigators.

The U.S. Federal Trade Commission on Wednesday issued long awaited subpoenas.  For those of you who aren't lawyers and haven't been dragged through a major court case, a "subpoena" is a government demand for testimony or evidence.  Failure to give the requested information can result in criminal and/or civil penalties.

The fact that the U.S. government has issued subpoenas shows that it's getting serious about its investigation of Google.  A Google spokeswoman seemed nonchalant, commenting, "We understand that with success comes scrutiny. We're happy to answer any questions they have about our business."

But for all the cheer, the move is a major concern for Google.

Several small smartphone service providers have claimed that Google applied pressure to its hardware partners to boot their products off their smartphones, in favor of Google's rival services.  In and of itself, that might not be illegal were, Google not by far the industry's most dominant player in sales.  Android is reportedly outselling the next closest company, Apple, 5-to-2 in recent figures.  Thus if Google is found guilty of the allegations, it could face stiff penalties for violating antitrust laws.

Other allegations against Google include reports that it stole data from other services, such as reviews site Yelp and used it to bolster its own offerings.  And Google also stands of artificially boosting its services above competitors' in the results from its search engine -- the most used search engine on the planet.

The issue of the subpoenas was first reported by The Wall Street Journal.  Even if Google can beat the antitrust rap in the U.S. it faces similar accusations in Europe, a place known for its strict antitrust laws [1][2].  

Google has set aside $500M USD in cash to cover possible antitrust penalties.  The question is whether that will be close to enough.



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like Intel?
By 85 on 8/11/2011 8:07:47 AM , Rating: 2
So they allegedly did the same thing that Intel got busted for a few years ago? I'm really not a fan of business like this.




RE: like Intel?
By kleinma on 8/11/2011 9:20:12 AM , Rating: 2
You have to wonder how innocent a company can possibly be when they set aside half a billion dollars to cover potential costs. Sure smells a bit like guilt to me...


RE: like Intel?
By someguy123 on 8/11/2011 4:22:42 PM , Rating: 2
To be fair, lawyers are bloodsuckers and cost unbelievable amounts of money. Even if you're innocent you'll still need to pay for litigation, which is why most companies settle as quickly as possible on smaller claims to avoid paying out the nose for lawyers.


RE: like Intel?
By 2ManyOptions on 8/11/2011 9:30:47 AM , Rating: 3
Completely agree that any organization involved in unfair practice should be penalized. But I can't stop wondering when companies like Apple get patents on pretty much something which 'looks like a tablet'. Maybe it should fall under unfair patent or something.


RE: like Intel?
By ltcommanderdata on 8/11/2011 9:52:40 AM , Rating: 2
Are you saying that if the Patent Office grants Apple or other companies an "unfair patent", the recipient should be the one penalized? Rather than the Patent Office needing to review it's practices?


RE: like Intel?
By 2ManyOptions on 8/11/2011 11:13:36 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, patent system/office is c ertainlythe one that needs scrutiny. Also, tells a thing or two about the company applying for patent. More than innovation patents seem to be filed for covering what is obvious that WILL be violated by any competitor in the course of bringing a similar product out.
I am not terming Apple products to be non-innovative, some of it's patents seem to be so.


RE: like Intel?
By michael2k on 8/11/2011 9:59:14 AM , Rating: 2
Patents can be reviewed and overturned. There's a process in place. Apple is, thus far, in the clear for enforcing the patents and IP it's been granted.


RE: like Intel?
By Samus on 8/11/2011 1:35:19 PM , Rating: 2
The difference is Intel had direct "compatible" competition: AMD.

Google's Android has no competition. Apple iOS is a closed system and is not licensed. Palm OS was licensed until it was replaced by WebOS, which like iOS, is not licensed beyond Palm (not HP) devices. Windows Mobile licensing fees were high and lets face it, offered a pretty crappy experience for most users.

Android
a) open source
b) has no license agreement
c) free
d) modern
e) compatible with virtually all hardware

There is no other option that offers more than one of those features to manufactures.

HTC dumped Windows Mobile in favor of Android, but is not using Windows Phone 7. The same goes for Samsung, who before Android, depended on their own internal operating system development much like Motorola, LG, etc. Obviously Android was the most attractive alternative, because it was the only alternative.

This subpoena has Apple written all over it. There is no basis for it. There was no reason for Google to pressure their partners to use Android over the competition, because there is no competition.

I'm sure Google is as crooked as every other large company, but this is as frivilous as the Apple patent wars, and comparing Google strongarming to Intel strongarming is ridiculous and have virtually no comparison.


RE: like Intel?
By Samus on 8/11/2011 1:37:06 PM , Rating: 2
Replace all my 'not' with 'now'

Something happened with my spell check there...


RE: like Intel?
By NellyFromMA on 8/11/2011 2:51:38 PM , Rating: 2
It's a little bit more than simply the smartphone OS or device.... It's the inappropriate leveraging of their position as a whole ultimately.


RE: like Intel?
By someguy123 on 8/11/2011 4:28:50 PM , Rating: 2
It's freedom to be manipulated is more of a benefit of the GPL than part of google's marketing. regardless of its open nature, people are claiming that google demanded other OS's be removed from smaller phone manufacturer's product lines. even if the feature list isn't in direct competition to closed platforms, it's still in google's best interest to increase android saturation vs licensed OSs, as google makes money from the search/tracking on android devices.


RE: like Intel?
By michael2k on 8/11/2011 7:12:33 PM , Rating: 2
Did you miss this in the article?
"smartphone service providers"

So... AGPS, maps, search, music, movies, email... anything that would compete with Google, basically.

For example, Google more or less crushed Skyhook:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/10/internal-emails...

That would be a smartphone service provider that Google would probably face antitrust inquiries about.


RE: like Intel?
By superPC on 8/11/2011 9:52:27 AM , Rating: 2
this only proves that old adage: power corrupts absolute power corrupts absolutely. intel has tasted it, MS has tasted it, now it's google's turn and next facebook. one has to wonder though how can apple manages to stay away from this kind of scrutiny? i guess image really is everything nowadays (apple image as the perpetual underdog).


RE: like Intel?
By xype on 8/12/2011 2:53:25 AM , Rating: 2
Apple is making its own hardware and software. They can hardly force themselves to only sell Apple computers running Apple software, since they are doing so by design. Apple also isn’t forcing manufacturers to only manufacture their hardware or phone carriers to only carry iPhones. At best, they buy options for manfacturing capacities by giving the manufacturers huge piles of money in advances.

On the other hand, Apple is very agressive with their IP and is going to play the Patent System for all its worth. But that’s not really illegal, is it?


Not rea!**
By sprockkets on 8/11/2011 10:41:03 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
In and of itself, that might not be illegal were, Google not by far the industry's most dominant player in sales. Android is reportedly outselling the next closest company, Apple, 5-to-2 in recent figures. Thus if Google is found guilty of the allegations, it could face stiff penalties for violating antitrust laws.


Google's latest market share is around what, 25%, then apple is like what 23% and BB at around another 23%? They don't have any dominant share of the market period.

There are plenty of choices to pick from.




RE: Not rea!**
By kraeper on 8/11/2011 11:56:10 AM , Rating: 2
Not only that, but:
quote:
And Google also stands <accused?> of artificially boosting its services above competitors' in the results from its search engine
is hilarious. It's their search engine, they can do with it as they'd like. It's private property. And to NOT use that much web traffic to your own advantage would be stupid. There is no constitutional clause that all internet search results must be entirely neutral.


RE: Not rea!**
By michael2k on 8/11/2011 7:17:05 PM , Rating: 2
Last I heard, Google was 38% to Apple's 18%:
http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS2287...


lol
By Spikesoldier on 8/11/2011 2:20:48 PM , Rating: 3
just because one company charges 5x more than they should for essentially the 'same product', doesnt mean that the guy charging the right price is being 'anti-competitive'.

just sayin'




RE: lol
By michael2k on 8/11/2011 7:15:07 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, but this counts as being anticompetitive, no?
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/10/internal-emails...


Android Abuse Investigation?
By kattanna on 8/11/2011 10:19:38 AM , Rating: 2
am i the only one who read that headline and thought just what are those zany japanese doing now?

;>)




Where is Google going?
By Tony Swash on 8/11/11, Rating: -1
RE: Where is Google going?
By sprockkets on 8/11/2011 10:18:11 AM , Rating: 2
So, in summary, FUD


RE: Where is Google going?
By Tony Swash on 8/11/11, Rating: -1
RE: Where is Google going?
By 2ManyOptions on 8/11/2011 11:19:50 AM , Rating: 2
Google everywhere. Possibly that's their goal.
You are missing Microsoft here, apart from Apple, this will be a direct assault on Windows phone OS and so far they are successful and way ahead of them - this would also gives them ability to integrate Google search wherever needed in the mobile space, something Microsoft could do with Bing thus taking/defending that piece of market share.


RE: Where is Google going?
By Xcpus on 8/11/2011 8:07:41 PM , Rating: 2
No offense Tony but nearly all your posts lack logic. I mean what else would one expect from a fanboi. There is no logic when one holds an irrational attachment to one particular Corporate image.

You spin anything in Apple's favor just like a Bill O'Reilly segment.

I care not for Google, Apple, Microsoft etc. I just care about competition leading to better prices for consumers. I care about the average citizen getting a better deal through stiff but rational/reasonable degrees of competition.

I think that IP needs to be re-written and a balance found. I think that if a company does not physically bring an idea to life then its patent ought to be ignored. And even if a company brings an idea to life that idea must be truly creative and original and we can find methods to quantify this based on "precedence". Is it a revolutionary product or a logical evolutionary extension of other existing ideas?

Anyway... your posts are rarely informative and rarely offer any sort of insight. I just hope you know that to anyone NOT an Apple fanboi you sound irrational. Whether it is a Google/Microsoft Fan or a Neutral person such as myself.

Maybe seek counseling or something.


RE: Where is Google going?
By Tony Swash on 8/12/2011 3:40:46 AM , Rating: 2
My post isn't about Apple it's about Google, about which I guess you have nothing to say.


RE: Where is Google going?
By kraeper on 8/11/2011 11:57:02 AM , Rating: 1
In summary, TLDR, and QQ moar.


RE: Where is Google going?
By FeralMisanthrope on 8/11/2011 11:46:51 AM , Rating: 2
Google is attempting to capitalize on the inevitable commoditization and democratization of mobile computing. Before Android, smartphones were a lot like the IBM mainframes of old--proprietary hardware/software combinations that allow companies like Apple and RIM to drive high margins through vertical integration and customer lock-in. In a way, Google is trying to do for mobile devices what Microsoft did for the PC. Unlike Microsoft, Google monetizes its consumer products and services indirectly. I think it's still too early to tell if Android will be strategically good for Google. Aside from crowding out some noteworthy competitors like MeeGo and WebOS, Android has been huge win for consumers, developers, device manufacturers, service providers, and mobile computing in general. I doubt that I would even own a smartphone if not for Android, and I'm not the only one.

P.S. I really like your comparison of Google to an autistic savant! Of all the psychological maladies that can be used to describe a corporation, Asperger syndrome is certainly not the worst.


RE: Where is Google going?
By vision33r on 8/11/2011 12:39:20 PM , Rating: 2
Android is a large win for Asia as they were severely behind in the software engineering area. Android gave them a free mobile OS to use to go head to head against RIM, Apple, and Microsoft.

It's only a huge win for the US Carriers selling data plans. Very few American or European businesses are capitalizing on Android as much as Asia.


RE: Where is Google going?
By Tony Swash on 8/11/2011 1:54:39 PM , Rating: 1
I see some interesting responses to my comment but none address my key question. The question was not is Android a good thing, is it good for handset makers, is it good for consumers. The question is: is Android good for Google? And if it is - how?

As far as I can see even if every smart phone on the planet was Android, iPhone and WP7 crushed, it still wouldn't generate extra revenue for Google. It wouldn't solve Google's strategic problems with the post PC world. Google actually makes more per capita per iOS user than per Android user but both rates of revenue are much lower than per desktop user. So if in five years the web is the mobile device web and not the desktop web then Android will do nothing about solving the revenue resulting problems that that will cause Google.


RE: Where is Google going?
By AmbroseAthan on 8/11/2011 4:18:06 PM , Rating: 2
This was some good commentary on Android's purpose and business sense:

http://abovethecrowd.com/2011/03/24/freight-train-...

And here is some of the money analysis:

http://searchenginewatch.com/article/2050037/Andro...


RE: Where is Google going?
By sprockkets on 8/11/2011 7:55:51 PM , Rating: 2
Dude, you aren't asking a question - you are posting a bunch of rhetorical nonsense meant to be posed as a question but with the effect of FUD. I see through it, and so do others.

You aren't genuinely asking for an answer, but if you were, the one you need is

GFY!


RE: Where is Google going?
By acer905 on 8/11/2011 12:41:52 PM , Rating: 1
There is one point that I must contest. Yes, the design of Android was changed after the the success of iOS, however it was not to directly clone it. Instead, the design change was to take advantage of the shift in user interface metrics. The iPhone showed that people would accept a device with nothing but a screen to interact with. Prior to that, touch screen devices were gimmicks.

The interface on stock android has always been different from iOS. Samsung chose to use TouchWiz, which was heavily modeled on iOS instead of stock, much like HTC uses Sense. However, neither are Google's fault. The interface on the Nexus S, much like that of the Nexus One before it, and going back to the old HTC Dream, are all significantly different than iOS. The only change from the original design was a switch to full front touch screen.


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