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Eric Schmidt says Android's competitors are just jealous of its success and that their suits are meritless works of companies that can't innovate.  (Source: Reuters)

Apple hasn't released a new handset in over a year. Meanwhile it's filed multiple suits against Google.  (Source: Perth Now)
Schmidt says Steve Jobs and company are jealous of Android's success

Google Inc.'s (GOOG) former CEO Eric Schmidt had harsh words for rival Apple, Inc. (AAPL) on Tuesday.  Speaking at the Mobile Revolution conference in Tokyo, Mr. Schmidt let loose:
The big news in the past year has been the explosion of Google Android handsets and this means our competitors are responding. Because they are not responding with innovation, they’re responding with lawsuits. We have not done anything wrong and these lawsuits are just inspired by our success.
Apple, who hasn't released a new handset in over a year, is currently suing [1][2][3][4][5] the world's top three Android handset makers -- HTC Corp. (SEO:066570), Motorola Solutions Inc. (MSI) and Samsung Electronics Comp., Ltd. (SEO:005930).  All three companies have responded back with countersuits [1][2][3], but already one of the companies looks to be in serious danger.  

 A U.S. International Trade Commission judge found that HTC's products violated two of Apple's broad technology patents.  The ruling opens the way for Apple to secure an injunction to block shipments of HTC products into the U.S.

Try as it might, Google was unable to successfully spin the news as a victory.  At the end of the day, the preliminary infringement ruling covered technology that's deeply tied to the Android operating system.

Google faces similar headaches from another rival, Microsoft Corp. (MSFT). HTC has agreed to pay Microsoft a reported $5 to $10 USD per handset.  Now Microsoft wants $15 per handset Samsung sells and is using the threat of a lawsuit to try to drive a deal.

The timing of these lawsuits hardly seems coincidental.  Microsoft's hopes for Windows Phone 7 have fallen flat as the OS has failed to generate any market momentum, thus far, and has only a tiny smart phone market share.  Similarly Apple, is getting outsold over two-to-one by Google.

While Apple and Microsoft are seemingly in violation of each others' patents, as well, the pair have focused their attention almost solely on targeting Google, the market leader.  And that, says Mr. Schmidt, boils down to pure jealously.


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Sorry
By sprockkets on 7/19/2011 12:31:46 PM , Rating: 5
I have to disagree with Schmidt. Apple has innovated in some areas. Look at their lawsuit with Samsung; I've never seen someone sue over rounded corners or 4x3 icon layouts.

That is innovative.

Also, apple no longer uses chairs at their shareholder meetings. This too is innovative:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2un6jiYpzb4

Also, making a white iphone - most people would shy away from doing something like that, but not apple.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfxsxDgpstM




RE: Sorry
By dgingeri on 7/19/11, Rating: -1
RE: Sorry
By FITCamaro on 7/19/2011 12:55:22 PM , Rating: 2
Your spidey senses are improving.


RE: Sorry
By Duwelon on 7/19/2011 1:00:44 PM , Rating: 5
Silly Apple haters... Apple really does innovate. Some of their best Patents:

Apple Patent #141915119212391023912491251211234124:

"...the use of bodily limbs to bend and then straighten for the use of moving the body through a 3 dimentional space."

Apple Patent #192048102983123128931294192391293129:

"...the facilitation of the exhausting of buildup of methane gas from the body to prevent spontaneous combustion, including a CPU interface to allow the limited control and timing of said exhaust releases."

Seriously, who says Apple doesn't innovate? Have you sent them your monthly $20 for your ability to walk and toot yet by the way?


RE: Sorry
By bug77 on 7/19/2011 3:23:01 PM , Rating: 4
Laugh all you want, but who's gonna laugh when some judge deems those patents enforceable?


RE: Sorry
By Pjotr on 7/19/2011 8:46:10 PM , Rating: 4
I will... US patent law is a big joke! Keep em coming!


RE: Sorry
By lagomorpha on 7/20/2011 2:11:14 PM , Rating: 2
You won't be laughing when the only smartphones and mp3 players on the market are made by either apple or microsoft thanks to lawsuits.


RE: Sorry
By justjc on 7/21/2011 5:10:56 PM , Rating: 2
On the US market, the rest of us will most likely still have a choice.

Who knows perhaps Apple becoming a monopoly would be good for the US, after all it did wonders when it was Microsoft who ended up in court on similar charges.


RE: Sorry
By razkool88 on 7/25/2011 11:25:13 AM , Rating: 2
Please use the correct terms...iWalk and iPhart.


RE: Sorry
By quiksilvr on 7/19/2011 1:08:08 PM , Rating: 5
Apple lost its innovation years ago. It all started when Sony beat Apple to the punch for LED backlit screen on its laptop.

Slowly but surely it got worse:
1) They were one of the last companies to had an HD webcam and dual microphones for noise cancelling.
2) Lack of IO and format support such as HDMI, USB 3.0, Blu Ray, and eSATA (not even their workstations have eSATA on it)
3) To this day no right click.
4) Heavier laptops than the competition.
5) Generations behind on processors for their lower end models (Macbook, Mac Mini)
6) Lackluster HDD options for their higher end notebooks (no 1TB options, no 7200rpm HDDs over 500GB)
7) No numberpad on their larger laptops
8) No widespread adoption of 16:9 screen format for their laptops (except the 11" Air)

I won't even get into their iPods because its such a horrible mess (except the Touch, which is getting replaced by the iPhone entirely)

It's obvious they get most of their money from the iPhone and iPad and they more or less neglected the laptop and desktop areas (Good enough seems to be the mentality).

But now that their precious phone and period clogger is getting threatened with little to fall back on, they are lashing out in the most childish way possible.


RE: Sorry
By Mitch101 on 7/19/11, Rating: -1
RE: Sorry
By Reclaimer77 on 7/19/2011 3:18:39 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Im going to back Apple (Hell just got few degrees colder) because I believe Google did violate a number of patents to produce a competing product.


If you read the wording of the patents then pretty much EVERY smart phone on the planet, and other devices, violate these "patents".

It would have been impossible to make a competing product without violating them. So Google did the best thing they could have done; ignored them.

Sorry but no patent gives Apple the right to exclusively provide a product this generic and vague and create a monopoly of an entire industry. Isn't that the sort of thing Mactards bash Microsoft for? But here you guys are, essentially saying, that only Apple should provide smart phones to the market.


RE: Sorry
By shock_and_awe on 7/19/11, Rating: 0
RE: Sorry
By Gio6518 on 7/19/11, Rating: 0
RE: Sorry
By shock_and_awe on 7/19/11, Rating: 0
RE: Sorry
By Gio6518 on 7/19/11, Rating: 0
RE: Sorry
By Gio6518 on 7/19/2011 2:07:33 PM , Rating: 5
i played games, listened to mp3's and video (divx), e-mail, text, read books, browse web on win mobile years before the iPhone came out...


RE: Sorry
By Solandri on 7/19/2011 8:20:27 PM , Rating: 3
"Picasso had a saying - 'Good artists copy, great artists steal." And we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas." - Steve Jobs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU


RE: Sorry
By Cerin218 on 7/20/11, Rating: 0
RE: Sorry
By inperfectdarkness on 7/19/2011 3:40:34 PM , Rating: 3
hey now, 16x9 adoption can go f**k itself. i'll take 16x10 any day!


RE: Sorry
By adiposity on 7/19/2011 6:11:39 PM , Rating: 2
I'm just pissed that both exist in significant quantities. I love my 16:10 but I probably would have liked a 16:9 just fine when I got my first ultrasharp.

16:9 made sense for movies, kind of--it's based on expansion of the PAL standard. And 16:10 made sense for monitors, kind of--the closest rounds numbers to 16:9.


RE: Sorry
By inperfectdarkness on 7/20/2011 7:03:19 AM , Rating: 2
yet once again, the movie industry altered formats YET AGAIN. you STILL get letterboxing with 16x9 screens, and i'm not interested in a 2.39:1 laptop.

i say go back to 16x10 & screw worrying about letterboxing.


RE: Sorry
By omnicronx on 7/19/2011 5:12:43 PM , Rating: 2
I think its hard to say that Apple does not innovate (innovate does not imply you have to invent).

My problem with Apple is they will merely know when to bring something to mass market, and improve upon it, then go out and get patents even though even a small check by the patent office would have found some kind of prior art, or found the patents far too generic.

Not that all the big companies don't do it, its just Apple is now using it as a way to shut down competition. I would have no problem if the patents in question were truly Apple innovations, heck if they were patented with the intent to use them for a mobile device. Unfortunately neither of the above hold true, which is most likely why they continue to bring their cases to the ITC..


RE: Sorry
By redbone75 on 7/20/2011 12:32:21 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
then go out and get patents even though even a small check by the patent office would have found some kind of prior art, or found the patents far too generic

And therein lies the problem. I pose this: Do you think it's laziness on the part of the USPTO, or that Apple has deep enough pockets to "influence" the decision process?


RE: Sorry
By theapparition on 7/20/2011 9:17:40 AM , Rating: 2
The USPO only checks if there are other patents that predate the submission. They do not check if there is existing prior art that hasn't been submitted for patents. That is beyond thier scope.

They let the courts decide if the patent is enforceable.

Not a perfect system by any means, but I don't think the patent office would have the ability to research every single submission.

However, software and electronic patents like this are ridiculously generic in nature and the USPO should have a much higher bar for approval.


RE: Sorry
By knutjb on 7/20/2011 1:30:41 PM , Rating: 3
Aren't these the same arguments levied at Microsoft for years... I always heard from Apple followers that there, Apple's, superiority would never look like Microsoft.

Lets welcome Apple to the big leagues with the Feds crawling up through the backdoor for uncompetitive practices and the like just like IBM and Microsoft!


RE: Sorry
By tecknurd on 7/22/2011 6:20:16 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
3) To this day no right click.

Technically they do, hold down control and click or just buy your own two or three button mouse.

quote:
4) Heavier laptops than the competition.

Metal is heavy even air craft type aluminum. Try cracking it. Macbook uses plastic or polycarbonate plastic. Have you weigh it.

quote:
5) Generations behind on processors for their lower end models (Macbook, Mac Mini)

I am in the future and Apple just refreshed their Macbook Air and discontinued the Macbook. Now all their line except Mac Pro includes Thunderbolt, so eventually number 2 will be FUD. FYI, Mac OS X does not need the most powerful system to handle it.

quote:
6) Lackluster HDD options for their higher end notebooks (no 1TB options, no 7200rpm HDDs over 500GB)

More space like 750 GB or more requires more platters. More platters adds more heat because there is more force for the motor move the platters. Then there is the height issue. Probably there is no model that suits the height. A 1 terabyte of space is a lot.

quote:
7) No numberpad on their larger laptops

This I can not argue. It will be nice because it helps entering numbers into Excel for Mac. If Apple did put add a numpad, the buttons will be small.

The speakers are at the wrong area for good sound dispersing. The speakers should be at the edge and at the bottom shooting at an angle. Speakers for notebooks should be at the same thinking like it is in car audio where the speakers should be in the dash reflecting off the wind shield.

quote:
8) No widespread adoption of 16:9 screen format for their laptops (except the 11" Air)

This is completely a fuddrucker. You have been brain washed from marketing speak. For a desktop or notebook computer consumers should know that a 16:10 is more effective for workspace compared to 16:9. The 16:10 help compensate for the dock or task bar that takes up space. Also the title bar. Marketing thinks 16:9 helps with sales. If you think 16:9 helps with movies, then you are wrong. Movies are in a 2.65 ratio or 53:20. I agree with Apple is to stick with 16:10.


RE: Sorry
By Totally on 7/23/2011 1:10:01 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I am in the future and Apple just refreshed their Macbook Air and discontinued the Macbook. Now all their line except Mac Pro includes Thunderbolt, so eventually number 2 will be FUD. FYI, Mac OS X does not need the most powerful system to handle it.


That is BS, only if OSX was the only thing they were running. I have a friend time to time bugs me on how to upgrade his macbook b/c all the games he plays are really laggy, they didn't on his old laptop.

quote:
This is completely a fuddrucker. You have been brain washed from marketing speak. For a desktop or notebook computer consumers should know that a 16:10 is more effective for workspace compared to 16:9. The 16:10 help compensate for the dock or task bar that takes up space. Also the title bar. Marketing thinks 16:9 helps with sales. If you think 16:9 helps with movies, then you are wrong. Movies are in a 2.65 ratio or 53:20. I agree with Apple is to stick with 16:10.


I completely agree, 16:9 is for televisons, whose sole function is display movies and shows for you to watch. The value of the extra vertical pixels far outweighs not having the little black bars on the top and bottom of the screen during movie playback.


RE: Sorry
By tecknurd on 7/25/2011 6:09:23 AM , Rating: 2
My facts are true that Mac OS X does not need the most powerful computer to handle. All you did is rant that a Macbook can not handle games. That is a different topic, so the problem could be an over heat issue.


You want lawyers, we got lawyers!
By fic2 on 7/19/2011 12:22:40 PM , Rating: 5
Maybe all the tech companies should "separately" decide to sue Apple in a preemptive Armageddon. I say separately because otherwise it would be collusion and/or possibly some RICO involved. If Apple suddenly found itself in 20-30 patent lawsuits maybe it would change it's tune about how great suing is.

BTW, I think it would be hilarious if HTC got an injunction for it's cross suit while Apple's was lifted by the full panel of judges.




RE: You want lawyers, we got lawyers!
By macdevdude on 7/19/11, Rating: -1
RE: You want lawyers, we got lawyers!
By FITCamaro on 7/19/2011 12:57:02 PM , Rating: 4
Shush troll.


RE: You want lawyers, we got lawyers!
By nolisi on 7/19/2011 1:30:29 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
They would if they invented anything, like Apple did.


When was the last time Apple "invented" anything? Oh yeah, I forgot, they invented a distribution method whereby they entice mentally deficient consumers into purchasing substandard product.

Is Apple suing people for that model? I suppose they couldn't, given that Android is better than IOS in every way- except for one critical way: Android handset makers proved that the Android OS is so limited that they couldn't stick to 3G only coverage- they stupidly upgraded LTE, HSPA+, and other faster network technologies...


By RealTheXev on 7/19/2011 5:39:58 PM , Rating: 3
This should be a 6! lol


RE: You want lawyers, we got lawyers!
By Gio6518 on 7/19/11, Rating: -1
RE: You want lawyers, we got lawyers!
By fic2 on 7/19/2011 3:55:19 PM , Rating: 2
Love this description:

quote:
toymaker for the well-heeled Apple


RE: You want lawyers, we got lawyers!
By Mitch101 on 7/19/2011 12:49:37 PM , Rating: 3
This isnt very old and it already needs a few more lines drawn.
http://www.textually.org/textually/archives/2010/1...


RE: You want lawyers, we got lawyers!
By steller2k on 7/19/2011 3:20:40 PM , Rating: 3
A few? Try a lot more lines!


By Mitch101 on 7/21/2011 9:50:20 AM , Rating: 2
I actually wanted to post a good Mexican standoff picture but couldn't find one. You know where everyone is pointing their guns at everyone else or the Microsoft banned commercial.


i can't agree with what both
By superPC on 7/19/2011 12:48:31 PM , Rating: 2
of MS and apple are doing here. licensing deal and litigation in place of real competition? all of them has some good features. i know i've use all of them for a few month each. i really don't know why WMP 7 can't compete. for WebOS it's about performance (read anandtech review http://www.anandtech.com/show/4508/hp-touchpad-rev... ) but WMP 7 is smooth as silk. i guess this time being late really does hurt.

the patent system themselves is not broken. it's the people that uses them. people that approved a patent application even when it's clear as day that prior art is abound. people that uses patents to hold back real innovation by tying others to long litigation process. people that uses patent to extort licensing fee.

in the end there's one obvious, easy and cheap way to prevent all this in the future: make the patent approval more open. make everyone and anyone has the ability to send a prior art notification for every single patent application (and make it also retroactive to patent already given). give some weight to these people opinion and not just select few people with law degrees. after all this is a democracy, not monarchy or oligarchy.




RE: i can't agree with what both
By Mitch101 on 7/19/2011 12:59:57 PM , Rating: 3
Windows Phone 7 should start the upswing in the fall after the mango update but Windows Phone 7 is already starting to show it does things you cant with an iPhone or Android device like X-box integration (Wii U?) and Remote administration of Windows Servers.

Remotely Manage Servers with Windows Phone 7
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2388632,00.as...
lets users connect to and manage Windows Home Server 2011, Windows Small Business Server 2011 Essentials, and Windows Storage Server 2008 R2 Essentials.


RE: i can't agree with what both
By Aloonatic on 7/19/2011 1:31:33 PM , Rating: 2
Do you really think that Sony won't be making "Wii U" like apps on Android (at least, if not iPhone too) that allow PlayStation integration? Not just on phones, but tablets too. Nothing to stop MS doing the same of course, but I just wanted to point out that MS wont be the only company playing that game.

Also, good luck if MS try to make it so that only their devices can do certain things with Windows, or make it more difficult for competitors. I'm sure that government and consumer protecting organisations won't have anything to say about that sort of thing :-/

I tend to agree that Mango might see an upswing in sales for MS though. I'd love their to be a WP 7 phone out that isn't already pretty old by the time my contract is up for renewal in September but I'm not holding my breath. Really, it's almost like MS aren't that bothered.

How many WP releases have their been lately?

Perhaps MS are waiting to hit us with a tidal wave in the autumn, but that's a few months away still and too late for many, especially when Nokia were looking at early 2012 for their WP7 phones.

It's all just a shame really.


RE: i can't agree with what both
By GreenEnvt on 7/19/2011 2:07:25 PM , Rating: 2
Sort of interesting app, but Android, and I assume apple, both have plenty of RDP apps in their app stores. Android has free ones and pay ones, they work great.
I use my galaxy s to manage servers all the time while on the carpool ride home from work.


RE: i can't agree with what both
By aebiv on 7/19/2011 2:26:10 PM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't call
quote:
Windows Home Server 2011, Windows Small Business Server 2011 Essentials, and Windows Storage Server 2008 R2 Essentials
servers persay...

Call me when it can handle Exchange System Manager 2010 and so on...


RE: i can't agree with what both
By Pjotr on 7/19/2011 8:52:05 PM , Rating: 2
Pity MS killed Windows Home Server 2011 by removing DE. I'm not "upgrading".


RE: i can't agree with what both
By mcnabney on 7/20/2011 10:28:04 AM , Rating: 2
Me neither.


RE: i can't agree with what both
By jimbojimbo on 7/20/2011 4:51:31 PM , Rating: 2
Many businesses are now using iPhones for their email and calendar because it has encryption. How many Windows7 Phones have encryption? None.
Microsoft should have been going after both markets instead of just the regular user especially since most corporate environments use Exchange and they should've had the phones with the BEST integration - like the Win Mobile 6.1 phones did. Now they've got the phones with the worst Exchange integration.


RE: i can't agree with what both
By Pjotr on 7/19/2011 8:50:51 PM , Rating: 4
If a competitor makes a product available using your patent, you should only be able to sue within a limited period of time, say 3 months. The Apple patent covering linking phone numbers etc if from the 90s. The function has been available for years in all kinds of phones including Android., it has not been hard to find. Waiting to sue should NOT be an option! Sue or leave it.


Sewers and Doers
By zozzlhandler on 7/19/2011 12:56:59 PM , Rating: 1
There are two kinds of companies out there, sue-ers and doers.
Lets call them "sewers" because of what comes out of that kind of activity. Apple is doing amazingly well, innovating like crazy, so why are they becoming piggish and wanting it all? Keep producing products that people want (like you have been) and those other companies will not catch you. Try to have it all and only the lawyers will win.

Apple, I say to you, be a do-er, not a sewer.




RE: Sewers and Doers
By lagomorpha on 7/19/2011 1:15:37 PM , Rating: 2
apple hasn't produced anything worthwhile in decades. They compete with their marketing department and lawyers, not useful products.


RE: Sewers and Doers
By zozzlhandler on 7/19/2011 1:29:29 PM , Rating: 2
While I completely disagree with what Apple are doing with lawsuits, it is quite wrong to say they haven't innovated. Before the iPhone, smartphones were not very useful, had terrible user interfaces, and maybe 5 or 10 app-like add-ons (if you were lucky). You had to program add-ons with tools like BREW. Not fun.

The iPhone, released by a company which never made a phone before, showed the others what a smartphone should look like. If thats not innovation, I don't know what is. Their success is truly deserved.

*BUT* they should not be a hog.


RE: Sewers and Doers
By Cerin218 on 7/20/2011 11:09:15 AM , Rating: 2
So innovation is making technology useful for stupid people? I was just fine hacking WinMo. I got it to do everything I needed. Than Apple create iPhone and all the dumb user needs to do is mash an icon with their greasy sausage finger to get it to do stuff. For most people, their "smart" phone is smarter than they are. Apple takes advantage of this. And yet some call that "innovation".

Or is innovation "Don't hold it there and your call won't drop"?


RE: Sewers and Doers
By Lugaidster on 7/20/2011 11:28:32 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah... We should've all stayed with Windows Mobile and Symbian. They were perfect... NOT!

Just because it works for you doesn't mean that everyone that doesn't like it is stupid you moron!

Go stick your WinMo up your ass and fuck off. Not liking Apple is one thing, but you are just as much of an asshole as the morons that swear by Jobs.

I've never sweared in a post here in Dailytech, but your post just deserved it. Peace...


RE: Sewers and Doers
By Cerin218 on 7/20/2011 11:11:59 AM , Rating: 2
If you want REAL innovation, try WebOS. The simplicity and power are outstanding. And multi tasking with cards and swiping rules. THAT'S innovation.


RE: Sewers and Doers
By justjc on 7/21/2011 5:56:24 PM , Rating: 2
A couple of flaws with your statements.

First of all the iPhone wasn't Apples first phone, that honor goes to the Motorola E790 MotoROKR developed in a cooperation between Apple and Motorola starting in 2004.

Second the first capacitive screen mobile,the LG KE850 Prada, shared most of the interface improvements found in the iPhone. Sure it wasn't a smartphone, but there was no doubt that the all touch interface was the future after it won the iF Design Award in September 2006, around 4 months before Apple even mentioned their iPhone. The only real innovation seems to be multitouch, which it is likely that someone else could come up with if Apple hadn't halted competition with another buyout of the necessary components to make a competitor. The App store concept was alive @ Google.


RE: Sewers and Doers
By BZDTemp on 7/19/2011 3:41:33 PM , Rating: 1
Apple is not innovating like crazy. They are doing a little better than before but considering their size what they get done is a joke. If you take patents which Apple seem to love they took out like a fifth of what Samsung did in 2010 (and remember Samsung is not a US company).

What Apple is doing is being great at marketing, integration and most of all hype.

Take the iPhone 4 for instance - public they will say the name was logic since 4 follows 3 but since they went from 1 directly to 3 due to 3G that is a little fishy. I'm sure Apple was not blind to the fact that 4G was happening and in fact studies show most iPhone 4 owners believe their phone to be 4G. Now Apple disciples will say there is nothing wrong here and that the users are just stupid for not knowing but I guess we all know what is up.


RE: Sewers and Doers
By Alexstarfire on 7/19/2011 8:54:02 PM , Rating: 2
Well, the iPhone 4 is their 4th iPhone. It might not be a coincidence that it coincided with 4G technology but unless you can read Steve Jobs' mind then we'll never know for sure. I'm sure they probably piggy-backed off the 4G thing like you imply, but TBH calling it the iPhone 4 was probably the most logic thing to do. What else would they do? Call it the iPhone 3GS+?


RE: Sewers and Doers
By snakeInTheGrass on 7/19/11, Rating: -1
RE: Sewers and Doers
By zozzlhandler on 7/19/2011 8:13:17 PM , Rating: 3
You are very wrong, on several fronts. Android was in development before the iPhone was released, so Google did not "just rip off Apples ideas". With the new release of iOS we have seen Apple rip off Google's ideas (in particular, the really cool notification method).

The reason Google has not so many patents is that up to this time, they were not considered important because the corporate culture was not to try to outpatent the competition but to out innovate them. I suspect you will see a greatly increased rate of patents from Google in the future, as they are now necessary as a defensive measure.

In any case, patent law needs reforming. Its purpose was to encourage innovation, and the way things are now it is stifling innovation.


RE: Sewers and Doers
By TakinYourPoints on 7/19/2011 9:32:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The reason Google has not so many patents is that up to this time, they were not considered important because the corporate culture was not to try to outpatent the competition but to out innovate them.


For such a massive company, Google has been surprisingly irresponsible with regard to their patent production and protection. Now they've hung their hardware partners out to dry with an operating system that uses technology in the patent portfolios of Microsoft, Apple, and Oracle, and they're probably going to lose in court to all of them. Google's hardware partners should be livid at them, now they're in a situation where they'll either be run out of the US, or they'll end up paying damages and license fees to any number or all of them, which may have the end result of running them out of the US anyway if it cuts too far into their profitability.

The latter is already happening with Microsoft who actually makes more on Android smartphones than they do on Windows Mobile, how crazy is that? This is just the beginning, and it is because Google was either naively hoping to win in court or were asleep at the wheel. Irresponsible either way.

By the way, I don't understand why people are making excuses for multi-billion dollar multinational corporations like they are five year olds. Apple and Microsoft aren't even that far up their as far as patents go, not when you compare them to companies like IBM with colossal patent portfolios. It may be one of the evils of big business, but it is a necessary one. Protect yourself, and be prepared to pay out license fees or get run out if you don't.


new term
By lagomorpha on 7/19/2011 1:12:27 PM , Rating: 5
Apple is employing "patent terrorism" and anyone that purchases an iphone is collaberating with terrorists.




It's all about the OS
By drsnyc05 on 7/19/2011 1:30:17 PM , Rating: 2
What people like about Apple is it's OS. OSX and iOS are their flag ship products. The hardware is meaningless. In fact, Apple doesn't even make hardware! It's all PC components in fancy cases priced at 2x the money.




RE: It's all about the OS
By AMDftw on 7/19/2011 2:25:14 PM , Rating: 2
That seems to be stated very true. Apple a glorified PC. I don't like Apple. wait let me rephrase that. "I hate Apple" Before someone comes trolling on my post, I have used apple and know may way around them decently. It just never worked for me. The iPhone was a good innovation. I love my Droid X and being rooted 2.3 OS is great. Plus I don't have to hear about Android BtHing about my cracked os. The only good thing that Apple OS is that it uses the hardware inside unlike Windows. The iPad is a joke and ASUS's Transformer is far superior.


RE: It's all about the OS
By snakeInTheGrass on 7/19/11, Rating: 0
When you can no longer compete...
By masamasa on 7/19/2011 1:35:20 PM , Rating: 4
...just sue the competition.

These broad tech patents are a joke and these suits only hurt the consumer.

"Similarly Apple, is getting outsold over two-to-one by Google."

Enough said.




Hummm nice business strategy
By btc909 on 7/19/2011 1:32:22 PM , Rating: 3
Don't release a new phone, discount your previous model phones & spend a gang of money sueing other companies. I see where you are going Apple, probably down the toilet.
Apple isn't the only game in town anymore. The way you are dealing with this Apple is retarded.




This just in:
By Cru on 7/19/2011 1:55:43 PM , Rating: 3
Man speaks truth.

Reporter posts awesome jelly picture.




Bad Patents
By GTVic on 7/19/2011 5:05:20 PM , Rating: 3
The government needs to step in and invalidate 80% of these patents.

Method for moving your fingers to do stuff, that'll be $500M please and thank you.




Why is everyone so simple minded.
By petrosy on 7/19/2011 7:52:12 PM , Rating: 2
Who cares who copied who?

I for one wished more comapnies build on the ideas of others, like Apple used to do.... as that is what I consider progress.

To all those people that want Apple to succeed in suing other manufacturers. If it were not for the other manufacturers you would still be using and iPhone2. Compertition spurs innovation which is good for everyonme regardless what phone you prefer. The company that gives me the desired experience will get my hard earned dollars... right now that is Andriod but I am not opposed to switching once another competitor gives me what I want.

Should Apple come up with something better I will not cry for Google or MS to sue them. I would wnat them to pick up their game or I am jumping ship, which is what Google has donme and MS are busy trying to do.

In Apples world there is no progress if they had it their way... it would be like them inventing the horse drawn cart and google the combustion engine but not allowed to use it as Apple owns the patent for mechanised carts. There is no progres in Patents and the rail system is the best example of this. It was a stagnant industry till the patent expired and then it became completely revolutionary.




Eric Schmidt's red spots
By PeterCao on 7/19/11, Rating: -1
Sensationalistic junk
By semtc on 7/19/11, Rating: -1
RE: Sensationalistic junk
By semtc on 7/19/11, Rating: 0
RE: Sensationalistic junk
By tng on 7/19/2011 2:27:36 PM , Rating: 1
What, he should clear everything with you first?


RE: Sensationalistic junk
By messele on 7/19/11, Rating: -1
Changing Your Tune
By macdevdude on 7/19/11, Rating: -1
RE: Changing Your Tune
By JasonMick (blog) on 7/19/2011 12:21:26 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Hey, Mick, changing your tune now are you....

Maybe you missed that Eric Schmidt said these things, not me...

Unlike you, I'm not trying to tell people what to think.

Apple hasn't released a handset in over a year. Android has released hundreds in that same span.

Apple sued Google's hardware partners without legal provocation.

Google outsells Apple two to one in mobile handsets.

Those are called facts.

Is Apple jealous and lacking in innovation? I'll let the readers connect the dots and be the judge of that.


RE: Changing Your Tune
By macdevdude on 7/19/11, Rating: -1
RE: Changing Your Tune
By nafhan on 7/19/2011 12:35:37 PM , Rating: 2
What aspects iCloud and Lion are "lightyears" ahead of the competition? The licensing agreements with the music labels? That seems to be the biggest difference.

You know what else has sold tens of millions during the time period? Toilet paper... :) In other words, while innovation can drive sales, lots of sales does not directly relate to innovation.
quote:
I think you and Eric Schmidt are jealous you didn't come up with good ideas and copyright them like Apple did.
You didn't look at the patents they are suing HTC over did you? Being first to patent something doesn't mean it's original or innovative. It just means they were the first to patent it.


RE: Changing Your Tune
By FITCamaro on 7/19/2011 1:05:33 PM , Rating: 1
Idiots like this don't realize just how easy patents are to get. It doesn't have to be your idea. You just have to patent it first. And be able to prove you didn't directly steal their idea.

And in things like what Apple is patenting, they're ideas that others have thought of but no one specific person or company can really claim credit. Enter Apple...


RE: Changing Your Tune
By Tony Swash on 7/19/11, Rating: -1
RE: Changing Your Tune
By boobo on 7/19/2011 9:56:17 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, it's not that "it doesn't have to be your idea." It should be "it cannot be your idea" because if it's an idea, it cannot be patented. Ideas are explicitly non-patentable.

Why is the USPTO allowing ideas to get patent numbers?


RE: Changing Your Tune
By mcnabney on 7/20/2011 10:41:37 AM , Rating: 2
I think it started with Amazon's 'One Click' patent.

It went downhill from there.


RE: Changing Your Tune
By snakeInTheGrass on 7/19/2011 6:21:34 PM , Rating: 1
"You know what else has sold tens of millions during the time period? Toilet paper... :) In other words, while innovation can drive sales, lots of sales does not directly relate to innovation."

So... like Android.


RE: Changing Your Tune
By Soccerman06 on 7/19/2011 12:45:04 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
If Apple's so uninnovative, huh, how come tens of millions of smart phone buyers are still picking them?


Lemmings?


RE: Changing Your Tune
By Reclaimer77 on 7/19/11, Rating: 0
RE: Changing Your Tune
By snakeInTheGrass on 7/19/2011 5:58:35 PM , Rating: 2
Uh, Ritalin. Dude.


RE: Changing Your Tune
By MrPerez on 7/19/2011 5:08:53 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
They've released the iCloud, Lion, and a ton of other innovations that are lightyears ahead of competition.


iCloud = Stolen idea, sorry you get no points for that.

Lion = Service Pack you buy, no innovation there sorry. Microsoft gives service packs for free you pay for yours, Points deducted.

quote:
If Apple's so uninnovative, huh, how come tens of millions of smart phone buyers are still picking them?


Buyers = are leaving Apple to a better OS and this is why Apple is suing, sorry you are in danger of loosing this game sir.

quote:
I think you and Eric Schmidt are jealous you didn't come up with good ideas and copyright them like Apple did.


Your last statement will not be used since Schmidt is Co-Founder of one of the most innovating companies in the internet/world. I am sure you use Google search on your iSmug laptop on a daily basis or do you use Apple's better search variant iSearch?

Final Score -1

You sir are our new sore looser of the day, Tell him what he's won Mitch!


RE: Changing Your Tune
By nikon133 on 7/19/2011 9:54:16 PM , Rating: 1
Buyers are also picking Big Macs...


RE: Changing Your Tune
By thefrozentin on 7/20/2011 1:41:17 PM , Rating: 1
If Apple's so uninnovative, huh, how come tens of millions of smart phone buyers are still picking them?

Thats the problem...the phones are smart but not their buyers...


RE: Changing Your Tune
By BugblatterIII on 7/23/2011 3:24:15 PM , Rating: 1
They may be smartphone buyers but they certainly aren't smart phone buyers.


RE: Changing Your Tune
By johnnycanadian on 7/19/11, Rating: -1
RE: Changing Your Tune
By Divide Overflow on 7/19/2011 1:06:35 PM , Rating: 3
Careful! That hermetically sealed safe-room you've holed yourself up in doesn't have much air supply left...


RE: Changing Your Tune
By Skelum on 7/19/2011 1:40:47 PM , Rating: 2
lol...

Malware and viruses always targets the masses which correlates to success.

Windows always been "tested" because it has the mass and it's necessary for a virus to spread.


RE: Changing Your Tune
By johnnycanadian on 7/19/11, Rating: -1
RE: Changing Your Tune
By johnnycanadian on 7/19/11, Rating: 0
RE: Changing Your Tune
By DTWTF on 7/19/2011 1:24:08 PM , Rating: 2
Your article is misleading. As far as I know, Google doesn't make handsets. To say Google out-sells Apple is inaccurate when worded that way. This is a case of Apple vs. every other phone maker (using a Google platform). If you went one on one, Apple wins every time.


RE: Changing Your Tune
By Mitch101 on 7/19/2011 1:33:41 PM , Rating: 2
Wanna see his head explode.
http://tinyurl.com/4zua77w


RE: Changing Your Tune
By DTWTF on 7/19/2011 2:03:56 PM , Rating: 2
Let me clarify, Apple's phone out-sells any other phone out there when compared one on one. Comparing phones to gaming peripherals isn't really a comparison of value in this discussion.


RE: Changing Your Tune
By Gio6518 on 7/19/2011 2:16:27 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Let me clarify, Apple's phone out-sells any other phone out there when compared one on one. Comparing phones to gaming peripherals isn't really a comparison of value in this discussion.


doubtful, maybe when you seperate all the Galaxy S phones, and call them different then yeah but combine them

standard galaxy s
captivate
vibrant
fascinate
epic 4g
nexus s
and thats just a few variations on US carriers, not counting all the variations world wide, Apple just likes to spin, last I checked Samsung was number 1 manufacturer world wide, Apple was no.4


RE: Changing Your Tune
By DTWTF on 7/19/2011 2:47:37 PM , Rating: 2
I am referencing this article: http://www.npd.com/press/releases/press_110428.htm...

You are correct, they are not the largest phone manufacturer, but the iPhone is the top selling phone on the market.

As for the patent war: what is the point of a patent if you don't take action against the person responsible for infringing on your property. If I was a stock owner in any of these companies, I would expect them to protect my investment.


RE: Changing Your Tune
By acer905 on 7/19/2011 6:16:53 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
As for the patent war: what is the point of a patent if you don't take action against the person responsible for infringing on your property.


Thats the point, the entire world of mobile and non mobile electronics have "violated" these "patents" for years, because of their overly vague language. Yet, Apple chooses now to try to enforce them. This isn't about protecting any "IP" its all about killing their competition.


RE: Changing Your Tune
By Falcoxx on 7/19/2011 5:53:24 PM , Rating: 2
You might not be "telling" people what to think. But you give biased information for people to base their thoughts upon.

"Google outsells Apple two to one in mobile handsets."

You keep on harping on this time and time again. Exactly which handsets does Google sell (besides maybe some of the Nexus phones?). It doesn't even sell the Android IOS, it gives it away for free. You'll notice that it Google usually says activations not sales.

"Apple sued Google's hardware partners without legal provocation."

If Apple thinks that it's patents were being infringed upon, isn't that legal provocation? If not, could you define what you mean by legal provocation?


RE: Changing Your Tune
By Gio6518 on 7/19/2011 2:01:11 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
And with Lion releasing and the iPhone 5 on the way, looks like Apple's firing on all cylinders innovation wise and Google will yet again be trying to copy.


and just as they rushed the seriously flawed iPhone 4 to attempt on integrating the hardware already deployed by HTC, thats copying, and iPhone 4 tech was also trying to catch up to the 9 month old nexus one, in either case lost on performance. same thing with the iPhone 5, they had to delay to attempt on cathing up with what android is already offering, and again will be 9+ months behind, galaxy 109.1 tab kicks the crap out of iPad 2, the only thing they claimed that apple won out on was case materials (but i'd perfer a quality carbon fiber backing over metal anyday better antenna reception and heat dissipation).


RE: Changing Your Tune
By Falcoxx on 7/19/2011 5:59:14 PM , Rating: 2
Quite a few best selling phones are seriously flawed in some way.

The whole galaxy line had gps problems. Evo has battery drain issues, the Sensation also has a sort of death grip issue with wi-fi going out.

Android phone/Tablets may have better specs than Apple counterparts, but when running actual software, from what I've read, it usually runs smoother on the Apple hardware (I'm not sure I have an Evo). So it doesn't matter if the Galaxy Tab kicks the crap of of the Ipad 2, if the only time you see it is on a spec sheet.


Eric Schmidt's red spot
By PeterCao on 7/19/11, Rating: -1
Apple and Innovation
By bradfregger on 7/19/11, Rating: -1
RE: Apple and Innovation
By zozzlhandler on 7/19/2011 1:14:08 PM , Rating: 2
I was't aware apple was a country...

Seriously, Apple innovates a lot. That is one of the reasons they are successful. So does Google, and it is one of the reasons they too are successful. The difference here is that Apple seems to not want anyone else to be successful.


RE: Apple and Innovation
By Falcoxx on 7/19/2011 6:07:22 PM , Rating: 2
Both Apple and Google want you to be successful, as long as your success also benefits them. If your success somehow interferes with theirs, then watch out.

Google didn't make and maintain Android from the goodness of their corporate soul, it's for the mobile search dollars and synergy with their other offerings.


What weasels
By Tony Swash on 7/19/11, Rating: -1
Don't be evil, think different , just do it
By joseali on 7/19/11, Rating: -1
Dear Google
By mydogfarted on 7/19/11, Rating: -1
"So, I think the same thing of the music industry. They can't say that they're losing money, you know what I'm saying. They just probably don't have the same surplus that they had." -- Wu-Tang Clan founder RZA














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