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(Source: Google and FAS)
The Chinese military may likely become the latest enemy of Google Earth

Google Maps and Google Earth users now have the ability to see a new high-tech Chinese nuclear ballistic missile submarine which can reportedly fire intercontinental ballistic missiles, according to Hans Kristensen, a nuclear weapons analyst for the Federation of American Scientists.

Kristensen found the Jin-class, or Type 094, nuclear submarine's image after it was taken by the Quickbird commercial satellite late last year.  The Jin-class is the successor to the Xia-class submarine, "the unsuccessful Xia-class (Type 092) of a single boat built in the early 1980s," Kristensen wrote.

The Jin-class submarine was photographed while moored at the Xiaopingdao Submarine Base.

Using an image of the Xia-class submarine -- taken in 2005 -- Kristensen was able to point out some of the differences between the Xia- and Jin-class submarines.  The Jin-class submarine is at least 35 feet longer than the Xia-class, mainly because of an "extended mid-section" responsible for housing missile launch tubes.  The images do not conclusively determine whether the Jin-class mid-section has 12 or 16 tubes.

China expects to build as many as five Jin-class submarines in the next few years.  China currently relies on land-based nuclear missile technology, but the new submarines add an additional tool to the military's arsenal.

Images and technical information about the submarine can be found on Kristensen's Strategic Security Blog.

This may cause the Chinese military to become the latest organization to show concerns over what Google Earth can reveal to users.  The U.S. government and Indian military are both worried about the high-level quality of satellite imagery which is available to users.  A spy chief also predicted curbs on satellite photos may be needed for programs like Google Earth.



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Well... they were asking for it to happen
By HaZaRd2K6 on 7/10/2007 9:44:48 AM , Rating: 5
I'm sorry, but if you leave a 250-foot boat lying around next to a dock in the middle of the day, not camouflaged at all, then somebody's going to notice it. What difference does it really make if it's a Quickbird commercial satellite, a government spy satellite or just some guy on a boat? (Not to mention that, as far as I know, spy satellites have much higher resolution than commercial satellites do.) I suspect there will be government satellites pointed right at the sub very soon (if not already), trying to figure out what it's capabilities are.

We live on the planet, too, we should have a right to know what's in/on it. Props to Google for not backing down from any fight though, 'cause you know one's coming with this picture.




RE: Well... they were asking for it to happen
By masher2 (blog) on 7/10/2007 9:57:49 AM , Rating: 6
> "I'm sorry, but if you leave a 250-foot boat lying around ..."

Rather more like 400+ foot. Ballistic missile subs are huge.

> "We live on the planet, too, we should have a right to know what's in/on it."

Just curious, but how would you respond to spysat pics of you sunbathing nude in your backyard, even though you were shielded by a high fence around your property?


By thejez on 7/10/2007 10:06:14 AM , Rating: 5
i think the better question there is how we would respond to nude pictures of him sunbathing... ewwww point taken spysats are evil...


RE: Well... they were asking for it to happen
By Adonlude on 7/10/2007 1:08:57 PM , Rating: 5
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Just curious, but how would you respond to spysat pics of you sunbathing nude in your backyard, even though you were shielded by a high fence around your property?


I would respond by continuing to sunbathe nude in my backyard and hope that society would slowly change from one that welcomes gross depictions of gore but cringes at the sight of a bare breast. If I truly couldn't stand to be seen then I would look into designing some sort of canope that would let the suns rays through but would not allow a clear picture of me to be taken from a camera in space. There are probably many easy solutions to this sunbathing problem that do not involve the destruction of a developing technology.

Innovation and advancements in technology are often feared by those who stand to loose money and power from it and feeble attempts to stifle such advancement are usually employed. Other examples include the US government attempting to control powerful software encryption and the music industry attempting to destroy file sharing programs.

If we put up with practices such as this then one day we might invent a source of free unlimited energy and never know about it becuase the energy industry will have stamped it out. Hell, we could invent a teleporter and the automotive and air travel industrys will have covered it up.

Dont stifle advancement... unless of course it's a better way to kill people, but thats a whole different argument.


RE: Well... they were asking for it to happen
By dever on 7/10/2007 3:30:30 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
we might invent a source of free unlimited energy
Are you a Steorn employee?


RE: Well... they were asking for it to happen
By Adonlude on 7/10/2007 3:42:44 PM , Rating: 2
Nope, but that does look facinating. I wonder how it works.


By Jellodyne on 7/10/2007 5:57:46 PM , Rating: 3
> I wonder how it works.

With regards to making unlimited free energy? It doesn't. Anyone with a basic understanding of the laws of thermodynamics can tell you that. Although if the function of the device is to attract attention, maybe suck in some gullable investor money and fail to generate free energy in any public venue where it happens to be exhibited, it appears to work as designed.


By PrinceGaz on 7/11/2007 10:51:48 AM , Rating: 2
Well, you get yourself and a few mates together in an Irish pub over a few pints of Guinness, and you come up with the idea of getting gullible people to invest large amounts of money in a company whose product is nothing more than a clever con-trick. That's how it works.


RE: Well... they were asking for it to happen
By feraltoad on 7/11/2007 4:34:09 AM , Rating: 3
Well said. I personally keep a sock on my dong when I sunbathe nude, perhaps the Chinese should adopt a similar policy.


RE: Well... they were asking for it to happen
By RjBass on 7/12/2007 12:28:04 PM , Rating: 2
I do the same thing, but only to keep my dong from getting burned.


RE: Well... they were asking for it to happen
By BiuTech on 7/13/2007 2:12:44 PM , Rating: 2
China needs a pretty big sock to cover that large sea submerged dong.


By MADAOO7 on 7/18/2007 1:11:32 PM , Rating: 2
Do you think they are perhaps trying to make up for something? It may be just like the saying goes.....


By christojojo on 7/13/2007 1:56:47 PM , Rating: 2
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continuing to sunbathe nude in my backyard and hope that society would slowly change from one that welcomes gross depictions of gore but cringes at the sight of a bare breast.


Are you basically saying, "Nude to all tyrants?"

Side note: Isn't it funny that in a profession/ hobby known for the pail white "office tan" that sunbathing is even brought up. We all know Hollywood would be agast at being caught, then using it for another career launch.


By Sungpooz on 7/15/2007 5:34:19 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, make love, not war.

More love (media), not war (media).


RE: Well... they were asking for it to happen
By gradoman on 7/10/2007 1:35:52 PM , Rating: 3
Really now..

I find that to just be such a silly argument. Is being snapped nude such a bad thing? I see people sunbathing nude/semi-nude quite often on beaches.

I guess it's all how each individual sees it, but I personally wouldn't really care. I find this discussion to be similar to that of CCTV cameras around cities, supposedly "spying" on folks. What are you so worried about the govt/police seeing you do?


By dever on 7/10/2007 3:34:22 PM , Rating: 5
Actually, I do see a difference between a company posting pictures and governments using my own tax-dollars to spy on me. At least in this particular case, the information is open to me and I'm not forced to pay for it directly.


By JustKidding on 7/10/2007 9:29:57 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Just curious, but how would you respond to spysat pics of you sunbathing nude in your backyard, even though you were shielded by a high fence around your property?


I suppose that would depend upon whether I had launched a rocket or not.


By theapparition on 7/11/2007 7:55:29 AM , Rating: 3
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Just curious, but how would you respond to spysat pics of you sunbathing nude in your backyard, even though you were shielded by a high fence around your property?

Nice try, but most states have ruled that if your under the open sky, you are not entitled to any privacy rites. That also includes backyards. The litimus test for most cases I've seen has been whether you are in an enclosed area. For instance, having sex in the outdoors in NYC, gets you arrested, in your car in NYC with "sufficient privacy" is perfectly legal. Many of the bathrooms (myself included) in modern homes have skylights, do we start worrying about them?
I refuse to believe in the "government is watching you" argument. Give me a break, they can't even find a few guys hiding in desolate mountains, and we are to be worried about getting caught in our birthday suits?
Despite movies like "Enemy of the State" showing the ability of satellites to track everyone down to the lint they throw off when walking, no one has anything even remotely that sinister. And even if they did, they're not pointed at the middle of Georgia, so feel free to nude sunbathe, if your into that sort of thing.... :P


By HaZaRd2K6 on 8/5/2007 8:43:55 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Just curious, but how would you respond to spysat pics of you sunbathing nude in your backyard, even though you were shielded by a high fence around your property?


Well first off, said pictures would not exist as I don't sunbathe. Let alone sunbathe nude. And I know some people point to the "I don't have anything to hide" argument, but if I really wanted something to be kept secret, I'd put a roof over it and a fence around it. A 400+ foot boat sitting at a dock is bound to be spotted. If not by a spysat, then by someone/something else.


RE: Well... they were asking for it to happen
By TomZ on 7/10/2007 10:00:34 AM , Rating: 5
Why do you assume that China wants to keep their military capabilities secret? A big part of the value of having these kinds of capabilities is the deterrent effect they can have - and that effect is maximized when you have these types of "open secrets."