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Buyers who paid higher price to get refund

Google has been doing quite well in the market with its Android operating system. Recently the search giant decided to take its smartphone operations to the next level and had HTC build an Android device that Google sells directly.

The new Google Nexus One smartphone was launched earlier this month -- the device is on T-mobile now and will hit Verizon later this year. Some early adapters of the device on T-Mobile have found that the device drops 3G connectivity randomly. The exact cause of the issue has not yet been officially announced.

The early adopters of the Nexus One paid $379 for the device on an upgrade plan when it debuted. The device sold unlocked for $529 and a new user could get the smartphone for $179 with a 2-year contract. Google has announced today that it is cutting the upgrade price for the Nexus One by $100.

Before all the early adopters out there cry foul, Google has already said that it will be refunding those who purchased the phone at the original $379 the $100 difference. It's not clear if Google will be refunding the money back to the credit card that was used for the original purchase or via other means.

Other good news is that T-Mobile will reportedly be broadening the number of users who can upgrade to the Nexus One without having to break existing contracts. There are still a few issues that many will want to see resolved before hopping on the bandwagon with the Nexus One. The most troubling is the early termination fee that Google will charge buyers of the phone in addition to the early termination fee the carrier itself will charge.



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Good phone, but....
By Roffles on 1/15/2010 10:42:40 AM , Rating: 3
At one point I was considering switching to T-mobile to get the Nokia N900. After studying their coverage map in California, all I could say was, "ouch". I doubt the Nexus-1 will see too much popularity until it moves to Verizon in the spring. During the Christmas holiday, I took I-5 from Northern California to Southern California and had 3G coverage on my Droid for pretty much the entire way (only lost it once or twice for 10 or 15 miles). You just don't walk away from that sort of coverage.




RE: Good phone, but....
By TheRequiem on 1/15/2010 12:20:47 PM , Rating: 1
I'm waiting for the HTC WiMAX enabled phone coming to Sprint this year. As for the Nexus One, no thanks...


RE: Good phone, but....
By mcnabney on 1/15/2010 4:22:16 PM , Rating: 3
Sprint. Ahhhhhh hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah

Oh wait. Your serious?

Ahhhhhh hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah


RE: Good phone, but....
By TheRequiem on 1/15/2010 4:28:15 PM , Rating: 2
Are you implying that your serious about T-Mobile? Let's not froget despite Sprint's shortcoming's, they still have 4G and a very reliable 3g network, more then most. =)


RE: Good phone, but....
By mcnabney on 1/15/2010 4:40:19 PM , Rating: 2
If you only knew one thing about Sprint, you could infer the rest.

Sprint hasn't made any money in years. Years!

Every other wireless company in the nation is profitable, even in this economy. Even companies that compete on price like T-Mobile, Cricket, and MetroPCS are making money. If you can't make money with almost 50 million wireless customers you are seriously doing something wrong.

And now they have sold their Network operations to Sony/Ericsson.
And bet big on WIMAX when the rest of the world is going the LTE route.
And have closed most of their call centers and outsourced the jobs to asia.
And still can't resolve iDEN.


RE: Good phone, but....
By TheRequiem on 1/15/2010 6:52:20 PM , Rating: 2
That's no longer true. They brough 8 million new next customers aboard in 09 and ramping up support for 4g, it may very well be a turn of events. This is old news.


RE: Good phone, but....
By mcnabney on 1/17/2010 1:52:04 AM , Rating: 2
Wow. Trading 3G customers for 4G customers. And losing the usual five or six hundred thousand customers as they do every quarter.

By running WIMAX and EVDO concurrently they are just raising their costs. Almost all of those new 4G customers were their old 3G customers. And most of them probably have those sweetheart deals that every employee can hand out. Sprint's ARPU is still plummeting. Customers are still leaving. And 99.9% of the country couldn't tell you what the difference was between 4G and 3G, outside of one must be better.

Things will really get depressing in 2 years when there are only a few models of WIMAX devices and a hundred LTE. The only future in WIMAX is a wireless ISP service that some local communities are moving forward with in lieu of cable, DSL, or a massive WiFi install.

When the market starts thinking that Sprint has a future the share price will actually go up. Their Market Cap is about $11B which might seem to be a lot of money. However, both Verizon and AT&T actually have been reporting annual EARNINGS between $10-15B. Heck, the spectrum that Sprint owns is worth more than their Market Cap.


RE: Good phone, but....
By Gio6518 on 1/17/2010 2:37:48 AM , Rating: 2
First, lets get the facts straight. Wimax (802.16e) is the first iteration of Wimax which is currently being deployed and mind you with great success. What the Spin masters at ATT and Verizon don’t wish to inform the public on when touting their future LTE 4G platforms is that by the time LTE is deployed Wimax II (802.16m) will be ready for deployment, with speeds of 300 Mps to 1Gps. Even at a fraction of these speeds Wimax II will leave LTE in the dust…
On another note, the Wimax eco-system is far more developed than LTE and it will be years before LTE is able to have a LTE enabled smartphone before 2014. When Wimax II is deployed all you LTE fans will see the advantages of Wimax.
You should also note that the 2.5Ghz spectrum holdings of Sprint/Clearwire which is also owned by Google,Intel,Comcast,Time Warner Cable, Brighthouse etc. is substantial enough to be termed a monopoly in most US cities. With an abundance of Bandwith, the mature Wimax eco system and the coming second generation of Wimax (Wimax II), Wimax IMHO is going to be a very successful platform, especially when you consider the support it is getting from the tech community.


RE: Good phone, but....
By Penti on 1/17/2010 12:06:15 AM , Rating: 2
So? The best operator in Sweden has never really made any money. As long as they invest money they can do fine.


RE: Good phone, but....
By mcnabney on 1/17/2010 1:55:56 AM , Rating: 2
Why would anyone invest in a company that doesn't plan on making any money?

It appears that things are different in Sweden, but all telecom companies in the US either publicly traded companies (Sprint or AT&T) or owned by publicly traded companies (Verizon Wireless is owned by Verizon and Vodaphone, T-mobile is owned by Deutshe Telecom). I know the motivation to create a profit to return to shareholders can be scary, but that is what capitalism is all about.


RE: Good phone, but....
By mcnabney on 1/15/2010 4:53:06 PM , Rating: 1
Independent studies place Sprint and AT&T at the bottom for network reliability, so I don't know what network they are beating out unless you are talking about some of the little regional carriers or Cricket or MetroPCS.

Sprint does have 4G in about a dozen markets, but it is limited to an aircard. There really isn't a 'killer app' that runs on smartphones/PDAs that requires that much speed. The latency on WIMAX is still pretty high, but it will allow for greater throughput when streaming Hulu to a laptop. However, nobody is demanding it yet. 4G might not even be very popular when Verizon rolls LTE out later this year. AT&T will follow a year later and will probably time the technology right.


RE: Good phone, but....
By TheRequiem on 1/15/2010 6:55:32 PM , Rating: 3
Source? The studies I've seen actually say a very different story. PC World for example, JD Power & Associates another... Independent or not, I haven't seen much of what you say. By the time they "start" rolling out LTE, Sprint will have 4G in 120 cities.


RE: Good phone, but....
By mcnabney on 1/17/2010 1:58:10 AM , Rating: 2
Consumer Reports and JD Power have consistantly rated Verizon #1, Alltel #2 (now part of Verizon), T-Mobile #3, with AT&T and Sprint duking it out for the bottom.


RE: Good phone, but....
By Crank the Planet on 1/18/2010 3:51:31 PM , Rating: 2
You guys are a bit behind the times....
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2353300,00.as...

check it. By the summer time T-Mobile will have speeds 2x faster than anyone; no one will have an LTE network next year as the costs are way to high. It will not work with their existing core network. All elements will have to be brand new. Essentially it's a whole new network while HSPA+ will scale using the existing network. Kudos for T-Mobile. They are number the number 4 wireless in the nation but they are acting like number 1. Coverage is better than what the current number 1 (VZ) and number 2 (AT&T) are saying, and they have the most android phones.

My friend has the Cliq and loves it. One inbox for all (email, facebook, twitter, myspace, etc.) One reply to all
Cool phone, cool keypad (if that's what you like), tons of free apps, cool games, speaker sounds great. Dang, ima have to get one!


By Laughing all the way 2220 on 1/18/2010 3:54:13 PM , Rating: 2
lol, he said number 1 and number 2 :)


RE: Good phone, but....
By Jabroney701020 on 1/16/2010 10:28:38 AM , Rating: 2
With your fact "claims" disputing real facts that DT and other sources have posted, you're going to have to provide some evidence for people to listen to you.

Here's one.........
http://www.pcworld.com/zoom?id=167391&page=1&zoomI...
Verizon and Sprint look almost the same


RE: Good phone, but....
By Gio6518 on 1/17/2010 2:22:53 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Independent studies place Sprint and AT&T at the bottom for network reliability


id like to see those studies since sprint usually dominates in the reliability departmnet along with verizon

quote:
4G might not even be very popular when Verizon rolls LTE out later this year


yeah ive heard the same battle cry with GSM and CDMA (YAWN)


RE: Good phone, but....
By kamel5547 on 1/18/2010 6:48:54 PM , Rating: 2
Um... Sprint's 3G coverage is actually good everywhere I care about in Southern California. I use the phone as a modem on my BlackBerry (no additional charge unlike other carriers) from LA to Anaheim without it ever dropping down in speed (or dropping the connection). Coverage is also fine on the way to Santa Clarita (northern LA County).

I understand that Sprint has a reputation for bad coverage, and when I switched my personal phone over I was concerned about it. I requested my business line be a Sprint line because I have never experienced any of the supposed issues (on T-Mobile I have, constant deadzones on the trip outlined above).

Their coverage at least in Southern California is better than some give them credit for...


RE: Good phone, but....
By quiksilvr on 1/15/2010 4:28:53 PM , Rating: 2
They brought the price of 4G down to. Only $60 a month...lets hope its running Android so you can tether it to your laptop, cuz $60 a month for internet is INSANE!


RE: Good phone, but....
By TheRequiem on 1/15/2010 4:31:42 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, unlike a lot of other carriers, Sprint let's user tether their phones. I would imagine that this WiMAX phone has tethering, it would be dumb if it didn't. I doubt that because it has WiMAX it would be $60 extra a month extra either so I'm with ya'


RE: Good phone, but....
By mcnabney on 1/15/2010 4:56:15 PM , Rating: 2
I am connected to the Internet on my laptop right now through a tethered PDA that is not Sprint. So stop spreading lies. If you tether through a phone/PDA you will be charged the aircard rate for data - which is usually $60 when data to the device-only is around $30-40.


RE: Good phone, but....
By TheRequiem on 1/15/2010 6:58:14 PM , Rating: 2
I wasn't necessarily lying (that was just a quick jab to the poor iPhone owners). Look, every carrier has different rates & plans, some carriers only charge $15 to add tethering while others add another charge.


RE: Good phone, but....
By Gio6518 on 1/17/2010 2:26:56 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'm waiting for the HTC WiMAX enabled phone coming to Sprint this year


as long as its on android im with you, i might actually dump blackberry


DROID DOES REFUND!!!
By sapiens74 on 1/15/2010 12:04:17 PM , Rating: 2
Woohoo!!




Android is a flop.
By reader1 on 1/15/10, Rating: -1
RE: Android is a flop.
By Shig on 1/15/2010 10:33:48 AM , Rating: 3
The amount of smart phones coming out this year with Android beg to differ.


RE: Android is a flop.
By reader1 on 1/15/10, Rating: -1
RE: Android is a flop.
By omnicronx on 1/15/2010 11:12:01 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Nobody is paying for anything on Android.
Exactly.. oh wait.. Individual manufacturers make money selling phones!! Or are you trying to imply that unless you follow Apples business plan you are a failure. As though the entire cell phone business was not focused around selling phones for the past 20 years..

Newsflash! Only Google makes money from Apps! Samsung, HTC, etc etc make their money from selling phones, so to say that market share does not matter tells me you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Market share is required for Android to be successful, without it, manufacturers of Android devices have little incentive to continue releasing phones on that platform.


RE: Android is a flop.
By weskurtz0081 on 1/15/2010 11:25:53 AM , Rating: 2
Huh? Obviously you have NEVER run a business, been remotely involved in a business, or plan on doing anything that requires business knowledge in your life.

If you had, you would never say something like "Market share is meaningless". That is probably one of the most stupid statements I have ever heard.

Also, if there was only ONE right way to run a business in each industry, we would have nothing but monopolies, but obviously that isn't the case.

You truly are epic.


RE: Android is a flop.
By weskurtz0081 on 1/15/2010 12:09:10 PM , Rating: 2
"Market share is meaningless."

Steve Jobs would probably B-Slap you if you said that within reach of him.


RE: Android is a flop.
By Gio6518 on 1/17/2010 2:16:50 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Steve Jobs would probably B-Slap you if you said that within reach of him.


then if you want to talk about apples marketshare then you should say that despite the app store the blackberry 8300 series outsells iphones 2 to 1 and thats just one model, not counting storms, bold, pearl, flip etc.

not to be pro or con apple, but the iphone has lost its luster....apple has done what apple always has done...

apple is a control freak it has to dominate every aspect of every product it has ever created.....

they have 1 phone on 1 network....(Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, it comes in different storage sizes, technically its still 1 phone)

i have 2 teenage kids and all their friends coming over and none of them talk about iphones anymore, its always droid, htc hero, htc droid eris, my touch 3g

android has on the Manufacturers side alphabetically
Acer Inc
Alcatel
Asus
Dell
Foxconn
Garmin
HTC
Huawei
Kyeocera
Lenovo
LG
Motorola
Samsung
Sony
Toshiba
ZTE
all have android phones out or coming out, also on every network imaginable....thats not counting all the different models they are or will be producing........

to think that android in anyway is a failure is a comment by a foolish man.........


RE: Android is a flop.
By reader1 on 1/15/10, Rating: -1
RE: Android is a flop.
By cigar3tte on 1/15/2010 10:35:34 AM , Rating: 2
Have you seen a commercial for the Nexus One on TV? Any other advertisements?

It's not meant to outsell the iPhone.


RE: Android is a flop.
By rudy on 1/15/2010 10:39:55 AM , Rating: 2
No but I see them all over the internet. This is the problem with most tech companies. They do not realize most people do not notice internet ads. Companies like LG, samsung and apple hammer TV with ads and draw more attention.


RE: Android is a flop.
By oab on 1/15/2010 11:23:20 AM , Rating: 2
Just the fact that you noticed that the ads are everywhere on the internet means that they are working (you noticed them).

Recall: Google owns an advertising company, it's that little thing called "Google AdWords".


RE: Android is a flop.
By lagitup on 1/15/2010 10:39:13 AM , Rating: 2
And remind me, how many other iPhones were released? Android is necessarily going to be worse than the iPhone because android is still significantly newer, lower on the learning curve. Its basic economics.


RE: Android is a flop.
By Motoman on 1/15/2010 10:40:38 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
To most consumers, Android is just another generic phone OS.


Correction - "to essentially all consumers, the phone OS is irrelevant, and if you asked them about it, they wouldn't know what you're talking about."

The unwashed masses don't buy a phone because it's got Android, PalmOS, WinMo, or whatever on it. They primarily make their purchase decision based on the shininess of the advertising for the phone itself, and a handful compare features of the phone (and only a handful of them would recognize that "features of the phone" has anything to do with the OS).


RE: Android is a flop.
By Iaiken on 1/15/2010 11:07:07 AM , Rating: 4
ZAT IS A BINGO!


RE: Android is a flop.
By omnicronx on 1/15/2010 11:06:14 AM , Rating: 2
Hmmm... http://techie-buzz.com/mobile-news/android-os-gain...

27% marketshare in a short period of time when they were not nearly the first to the market. One phone != Android..

In fact they went up 7% in marketshare in the month of December alone while the iPhone remained stagnant.

What makes this interesting is this is the year that Android phones will flood the market, there will be more released in this year alone than during its entire lifetime. So if they can achieve 27% marketshare with just a few phones, how high do you think they can go when well over half the smartphones on the market are powered by the Android OS?

Furthermore, your linked developer article means absolutely nothing.

"The company surveyed over 30 mobile app developers"

Ooooooo Ahhhhhhh.. 30 people! What a massive sample size to make such a conclusion. I will say it before and I will say it again, those likely to take part in this kind of survey, probably have something to complain about in the first place.

I'm not saying the comments have no baring, but you cannot use a study in which the sample size is 30 and you have no idea how/where they found these developers as conclusive evidence.
For all you know they left messages on developers phones. If this were the case, what kind of developer do you think would be more likely to answer back, those that have something to complain about, or those without a problem?


RE: Android is a flop.
By melgross on 1/15/2010 6:16:50 PM , Rating: 2
I question the value of this because as everyone now knows, AdMob is owned by, guess who? GOOGLE!

When they were independent, their "surveys" meant something, but now?

It's interesting that it's been pointed out that they've now stopped covering other phone systems as they used to do.

No more reports on iPhone coverage, or RIM, etc. just reports that focus on Android.

I wonder how accurate this one is.


RE: Android is a flop.
By Yawgm0th on 1/15/10, Rating: 0
RE: Android is a flop.
By HaB1971 on 1/15/2010 4:59:15 PM , Rating: 1
Ok hands up !!!

Who fed this Troll after midnight or got him wet?


RE: Android is a flop.
By croc on 1/16/2010 2:03:24 AM , Rating: 3
Reader1 needs no help... At the stroke of midnight he eats his own sh1t, then pees himself...


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