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Sergey Brin, co-founder of Google says Microsoft is guilty of torture. He says that using Windows is a tortuous experience.  (Source: Russian American Media)
Apparently everyone's favorite internet giant is stepping up rhetoric in the face of Chrome OS launch

Sergey Brin, an outspoken Russian-American computer scientist, gained fame and glory as one of Google Inc.'s (GOOG) "big three".  He co-founded the search firm with Larry Page, who recently took over for the departing Eric Schmidt at CEO.

In the wake of Google's unveil of Chrome OS (Operating System) PCs at its annual I/O developers conference, Mr. Brin unloaded on the world's leading operating systems maker, Microsoft Corp. (MSFT).

At a Chrome OS launch event he began friendly enough, stating, "I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with Windows. Windows 7 has some great security features."

From there, though, his critique of his competitor grew more pointed.  

"With Microsoft, and other operating system vendors, I think the complexity of managing your computer is really torturing users.  It's torturing everyone in this room. It's a flawed model fundamentally. Chromebooks are a new model that doesn't put the burden of managing the computer on yourself."

Mr. Brin's rhetoric seems more than a little confusing and contradictory.

He does get one thing right, though -- Chrome OS is certainly a unique take on the operating system experience, though.  The new OS starts off ordinary enough, built on a stripped down Linux environment.

From there the experience veers from past designs, by funneling the user's entire interactions with the system through a web browser -- Chrome -- to be precise.

The technique offers certain challenges -- particularly the difficulty of writing fast applications given that you have to deal with a secondary interface layer (the browser).  Modern web technologies, though, somewhat mitigate these issues.

On the plus side putting applications in the browser allows them to be sandboxed.  This protects against system crashes and certain types of security problems -- e.g. viruses (though some malicious programs like keyloggers could, in theory still work, depending on the precise details of the sandboxing scheme and how clever the malicious app's authors were).

The other unique aspect of the OS is that it will offer online backup of all information on the computer.  This cloud-based system means that if the computer ever suffers physical damage or a malware attack, restoration can be accomplished in a much easier fashion.

Google has partnered with Citrix Systems, Inc. (CTXS) and VMware, Inc. (VMW) to offer in-browser virtualization.  This could eventually allow Chrome users to access common Windows productivity tools like Microsoft Office.  Google claims that in a recent survey of 400 companies that it conducted, 75 percent said they would be able to switch from Windows, given the right mix of internet apps, offline accessible apps, and virtualization.

Microsoft has toyed with the notion of a similar cloud-driven operating system, releasing a test version of Windows dubbed Windows Azure.  While Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 offer some cloud integration, they lack full, automatic backup to the extent of Google's.

Laptops with Chrome OS will be available June 15 from Best Buy Co., Inc. (BBY) and Amazon.com, Inc. (AMZN).  Google has announced two models thus far -- a 11.6" from Acer with 6 hours of battery life ($349 for Wi-Fi only, more for the 3G version) and a 12.1" from Samsung with 8.5 hours of battery life ($429 for Wi-Fi only, and $499 for a 3G version).  Both laptops pack dual-core Atom CPUs from Intel Corp. (INTC).

The laptops may be a bit pricy for the curious buyer.  A smaller screen version with an ARM CPU could possibly hit the $200 mark, but at present no such option is available.  Still, some may jump at the opportunity to escape Microsoft's "torture".



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he is right.. to a point
By kattanna on 5/12/2011 3:57:10 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Chromebooks are a new model that doesn't put the burden of managing the computer on yourself


most people really dont need more then what a browser interface can provide. web/email/pics/movies.. etc. that covers the needs for the majority of the people, and actually as a long time IT person, i would actually like to see those people moved away from a computer system they have to manage and maintain. tablets/netbooks are great for that.

will they draw me away from my SLI'd 3 monitor computer.. LOL no. but i also know im not in the majority.




RE: he is right.. to a point
By dani31 on 5/12/2011 4:08:59 PM , Rating: 4
I won't give up my main rig either, but a may just buy a chromebook as a second computer to carry around.


RE: he is right.. to a point
By cjohnson2136 on 5/12/2011 4:23:13 PM , Rating: 4
they are great as a second computer. I have the CR-48 and it makes for a great on the go laptop


RE: he is right.. to a point
By mcnabney on 5/12/2011 6:54:48 PM , Rating: 5
Yeah, but would you pay $430 for 12" with dualcore Atom? This isn't Fusion or SB which bring decent graphics. These laptops are going to behave a lot like a netbook, but cost considerably more and break compatibility with Windows too.

Sorry, but Atom = not interested


RE: he is right.. to a point
By acer905 on 5/12/2011 7:26:08 PM , Rating: 2
Just curious, have you seen the actual benchmarks of the new Atoms, or are you basing your dislike on the older chips. Better yet, have you even used one?? From a numbers point of view, the new ones are much better. The old Atom Z10, released back in 2008 has a Passmark CPU rating of 186. The N570 found in the Acer Chromebook has a rating of 642. To compare, a 3.8GHZ P4 has the same rating. This is also higher than the 1.07GHZ ULV Core 2 single core CPU. Yes, its not an i7, but its a lot better than it used to be.

Not to mention, i doubt that ChromeOS will hog as much of system as Windows does. If so, major Google fail.

((all ratings info from http://www.cpubenchmark.net))


RE: he is right.. to a point
By stm1185 on 5/12/2011 9:36:49 PM , Rating: 3
Obviously referring to the absolutely terrible integrated graphics on the atom chips. Not the cpu power. Though how much you could make use of the gpu in a chrome laptop remains to be seen. Its not like you could load up a blu ray or WoW or other old popular games on a Chrome laptop anyway.

The biggest failing of Chrome OS that I see is that it seems to be oriented around consumption rather then creation.


RE: he is right.. to a point
By acer905 on 5/12/2011 11:34:04 PM , Rating: 2
Ahh, but what about Google Docs? While it may not be as fancy as MS Office, it can easily do everything that most users need. For office work, a Chromebook would be able to create content.

Add in another possibility, a little dumb-client style CPU/GPU unloading to a central "server," Google could tie the chromebook to a powerful "supercomputer" to allow video editing, 3D modelling, etc. All that is needed is a robust network, which Google has been pushing for for years.


RE: he is right.. to a point
By Targon on 5/13/2011 6:13:38 AM , Rating: 5
If you are in business, the last thing you should really want is for your documents and ANYTHING that might contain sensitive information to be out there on the Internet. Yes, in concept it is a nice idea, but seriously, there have been so many security breaches that I just wouldn't count on ANY system that people THINK is secure that is out there.

Now, for most home users, sure, you could throw a tablet at them and they will be happy, as long as they can run what they WANT to run. In the same way that Apple likes to talk up the two billion applications available for the iPhone(without mentioning how many different versions of the same thing there are, including fart apps), there will be many people who just won't pick up one of these machines simply because they can't run their apps on them.

As far as the whole Atom processor, I'd rather wait for an AMD Fusion based machine since it is a better overall package.


RE: he is right.. to a point
By Chadder007 on 5/13/2011 11:04:36 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed. Too many security holes are in clouded services for me to feel comfortable with.


RE: he is right.. to a point
By Smilin on 5/13/2011 9:37:40 AM , Rating: 1
Meh. I'll stick with Office Live. Google Docs is mediocre and I spotted document fidelity issues the very first time I played with it. Office Live is... Office!

Besides (and some may disagree) I simply trust Microsoft more than I trust Google. Those guys *will* search your documents and tie the results to your searched email, search results, DNS queries (if you use that) and someday might very well flub up and just open your stuff wide to your facebook friends.

As far as this whole "managing your PC is torture" thing I don't buy it. Obviously if you strip features from Windows, OSX and Linux distros enough you'll end up with something easier to manage but then you're stuck not being able to do stuff. For it's capabilities Windows is incredibly easy to manage especially in enterprises.


RE: he is right.. to a point
By dark matter on 5/13/11, Rating: -1
RE: he is right.. to a point
By MScrip on 5/13/2011 4:00:50 AM , Rating: 5
3 years with the same Atom-based netbook is not really a selling point! :)

Now that's torture!


RE: he is right.. to a point
By DFranch on 5/13/2011 8:51:51 AM , Rating: 5
so only $1,008 over 3 years for a $500 computer where do I sign? You must work for rent-a-center or something to think that is a good deal.


RE: he is right.. to a point
By Da W on 5/13/2011 9:02:25 AM , Rating: 2
Funny, coming from a company that markets its Android OS as the most customisable phone OS out there.
Well Windows is the most customisable computer OS out there! And if your not an illetrate, you can use it.


RE: he is right.. to a point
By sxr7171 on 5/13/2011 1:18:21 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah. coming from the guy who can't even spell illiterate. Everyone can use spend the time and energy to use and fix and deal with Windows, but really some people don't have the time when they pull $200-500 and hour. They just hire people to fix those pieces of shit. But then there is downtime while they maintain that shithole of an OS. Or you could switch and have no headaches beyond an occasional restart. The last thing people need is to mess with that auto restarting, random freezing bullshit when they want to get an email written or some other actual work. My time is worth too much to be fumbling with an OS like Windows. You on the other hand might have the time and great educational abilities to fumble with it, but why not go make some money with your high levels of literacy?


RE: he is right.. to a point
By Aikouka on 5/12/2011 4:12:34 PM , Rating: 3
I don't disagree with you that a lot of times, computers are almost overly complex compared to what some users truly need. That's actually what makes tablets interesting for some users... it handles all of the simple tasks that they need with little to no required setup.

Although, what does worry me is that attitudes like this will just make the problem of "computer ignorance" even worse. The generations that grew up with computers tend to be a bit more savvy, which is understandable, but computers aren't going to go away anytime soon. In fact, we'll probably see an even great proliferation of processors into every day life over the next few decades (it's already pretty high as it is).

Although, maybe simpler systems are simply the better answer. At least Microsoft has been pushing the idea of "recommended options" for the less savvy user. While some things may have been seen as intrusive (such as User Account Control), they can be helpful to the newer users... as long as they provide proper documentation to their purpose.


RE: he is right.. to a point
By joex444 on 5/12/2011 4:12:49 PM , Rating: 2
As a long time IT person you probably know that a netbook generally comes with Windows though a meaningful group of people will install Ubuntu or similar. My point being that netbooks are still computers that need to be managed and maintained. Tablets, OTOH, would work for most of these people's needs.


RE: he is right.. to a point
By ekv on 5/12/2011 4:22:36 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
would actually like to see those people moved away from a computer
I can empathize. Those people have other things to think about, I can see that. I'm not quite sure I'm ready foist all their storage onto the 'net (or "cloud"), unless they say they don't care about having their storage mined for keywords. I mean, isn't that how Google works?

Further, Chromebooks is an interesting model, but then who does the managing of the computer? IT? The computer itself?


RE: he is right.. to a point
By Azethoth on 5/13/2011 12:54:22 AM , Rating: 2
Chromebooks + Chrome App Store does the managing. It would be nice if updates happen automagically like with the Chrome browser itself so you don't even have to go into an "update app" app.

The only time a user would need to do anything is if they get compromised they reboot and this restores everything. (According to their security doc at any rate).


RE: he is right.. to a point
By Ammohunt on 5/12/2011 4:25:56 PM , Rating: 2
I am still not sure i would recommend a system that is wholly dependent on an internet connection with little to no local storage. To me ChromeOS notebooks are Gimmicky Toys.


RE: he is right.. to a point
By SoCalBoomer on 5/12/2011 6:13:52 PM , Rating: 2
Here's another issue. Our wireless network is authentication based (you have to open a browser and sign on in order to . . . well, sign on. . . LOL) - you don't get a connection until you enter your username/password.

Uh-oh, you can't LOG ON to Chrome unless you are connected to the Internet (yes, sometimes logging on as a guest works, but not always) so if you can't get an Internet connection, you can't sign on. . .

So it's a catch-22 situation. You can't log on to the computer unless you have an Internet connection; but you can't get an Internet connection unless you're logged on. . .

Yes, this situation came up. We had to find an alternate way for him to get a basic connection - one that's being deprecated so it won't work next year. . .


RE: he is right.. to a point
By AkuPyro on 5/13/2011 11:55:57 AM , Rating: 2
I figured this issue would be popping up myself. I run an iPrism web filter that required authenication before accessing the web. I went to log on for the first time and it went through just fine. So dependant on the web utility and/or firewall, the first auth might be done over something other than port 80. Just my exp with ChromeOS so far...


RE: he is right.. to a point
By AkuPyro on 5/13/2011 11:58:57 AM , Rating: 2
err...port 80 for the initial connection. The auth might as well be 443 which my filter still monitors/blocks.


RE: he is right.. to a point
By Nutzo on 5/12/2011 5:09:56 PM , Rating: 3
If all you are doing is browsing the web or basic email, then a goggle laptop might be ok.

However, storing pictures and videos, editing video (including hi-def), remoting into the office, games, school apps that only work under windows, etc. means that I still need a PC for the other 95%.


RE: he is right.. to a point
By jonmcc33 on 5/12/2011 10:14:42 PM , Rating: 4
Actually, any Linux distro (Ubuntu, JoliCloud, Linux Mint) would be fine for that. No need to get something twisted and pooped out by Google.


RE: he is right.. to a point
By Omega215D on 5/12/2011 6:38:51 PM , Rating: 5
The problem is the data caps that come with almost every ISP.

What happens when you want to retrieve stuff from the cloud, things like music and videos. Wouldn't this cause people to reach their data cap pretty quickly?

I'd rather have my stuff stored locally, that way any issues with my internet connection won't disrupt me as much.


RE: he is right.. to a point
By bwrl on 5/13/2011 3:39:19 AM , Rating: 3
Nonsense!

Pair Windows 7 with suitable hardware and it flies. Even more, it's a pleasure to use. There's no way I'd trade my various rigs with an OS that allows virtually no flexibility, cannot run powerful applications and relies on dodgy network connectivity in order to work.


RE: he is right.. to a point
By KoolAidMan1 on 5/13/2011 5:05:05 AM , Rating: 2
Absolutely. This is why things like the Chromebook and iPad make so much sense. I know Windows and OS X like the back of my hand and I love my SLI rig with dual displays, but like you I also know that I'm in the minority of users.


RE: he is right.. to a point
By frobizzle on 5/13/2011 8:58:54 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Chrome OS is certainly a unique take on the operating system experience, though.

There's very little new here. The idea of thin clients is older than dirt. It didn't work then. Now add in the vast majority of ISPs trying to strangle bandwidth with usage caps and it won't work now, either.

Exciting new packaging. Same tired crap inside.


Poor little boo-boo
By Phil Esteen on 5/12/2011 4:17:52 PM , Rating: 2
The poor little boo-boo is tortured by an operating system? He must be stopped in his tracks by quantum mechanics, tensor analysis or a simple word puzzle, eh?

Tortured???????!!!!!!!

How truly pathetic is this guy?




RE: Poor little boo-boo
By JJoyce on 5/12/2011 4:43:52 PM , Rating: 4
I too take promotional spin very seriously. Did you know that Steve Jobs called the iPad 'revolutionary'? You could imagine my fury when I realized that it's a blown up iPhone with less functionality. I was incensed! In any case, good to see that someone else takes spin very seriously.


RE: Poor little boo-boo
By icanhascpu on 5/12/11, Rating: -1
RE: Poor little boo-boo
By CorwinOfAmber on 5/12/2011 9:02:34 PM , Rating: 4
I think you have it backwards sir.

The laptop/netbook/tablet is a smaller version of it's parent - the desktop. The desktop is not a "blown up" version of anything except original thinking and innovation. Nothing came before it (as uninformed people reading your reply might infer).

It was inevitable that desktops morphed into mobile versions of themselves - let's just not forget who came first and what technology drove mobile advances.



RE: Poor little boo-boo
By stm1185 on 5/12/2011 9:55:03 PM , Rating: 4
"iPad is a tool" made my day. Laughing so hard. A device with the primary purpose of being an internet addiction feeder that you use while ignoring your family or friends on a couch is a tool. Just like the people who use them.


RE: Poor little boo-boo
By Targon on 5/13/2011 6:17:15 AM , Rating: 4
Most people who love the iPad could be called a tool. I'd rather use any other tablet than an iPad since I don't like being told what I can or can not do with a device I have purchased.


RE: Poor little boo-boo
By zozzlhandler on 5/12/2011 5:23:47 PM , Rating: 1
You are not thinking. How long does it take to get a new notebook configured the way you like with the software you use installed? It takes me at least two days (several hours of which is the "run Windows update, reboot repeat" cycle).

With a Chromebook, the time is about 10 seconds (the time to log on).

There are other similar scenarios. I suggest you try one for a bit before mindlessly dismissing the concept. It really does have a place.

Will it replace all Windows computers? No. Does it have a large potential market? Hell yes.


RE: Poor little boo-boo
By yomamafor1 on 5/12/2011 10:50:31 PM , Rating: 2
Actually I'd disagree with you. There might be a large potential customer base, but I really doubt the Chromebook will be able to break the wall once faced by the Netbook. To make matters worse, Chromebook is based on Linux, which a lot of people don't really understand, and don't care to. Toss in the fact that a lot of applications are Windows only, I wouldn't be surprised if Google finds itself in the same quagmire most netbook manufacturers are currently in.

So as opposed to fighting the M$ for the marketshare, Google will most likely finding itself fighting against Apple, Motorola, and Samsung for the secondary computer market. In most cases, I think people are going to choose tablet over a linux based netbook any day of the week.


RE: Poor little boo-boo
By zozzlhandler on 5/13/2011 10:38:46 AM , Rating: 2
You should try it out. There is *no* way to see Linux from ChromeOS. All you see is a browser with some configuration pages. People are familiar with browsers, right? Also, most people need only the applications in Office (and usually only a small subset of their features). The existing cloud applications cover the basics quite well.
And then there are the advantages. Turn on the machine, and in about 10 seconds you are ready to go. No "Windows is configuring your recent updates - please do not turn off your machine" for 5 or more minutes (or even the standard 40-second boot). No buying antivirus subscriptions each year for each PC you have in the house. Now big cash outlay updating to Windows 7 (or 8), or the latest MS-Office. I could go on, but surely the point is clear now. Its not for everybody (certainly not for me, at least as my only computer) but for those whose time is valuable and want stuff to "just work", this concept has great merit if it is executed properly.

For me, the most telling sign is that people in my house grab the CR48 first (leaving the Window notebooks alongside untouched) when they want to do something quick. The CR48's trackpad is annoying, its screen small, and still it gets grabbed first. What if a really polished version was available?


RE: Poor little boo-boo
By smilingcrow on 5/12/2011 7:07:03 PM , Rating: 3
The use of the word torture in this context is akin to people that use the word rape to describe trivial inconveniences. E.g. Intel are raping us on pricing.
These people are raping and torturing the language!

There certainly is a place for a ‘less torturous’ O/S for simpler devices but I also like the flexibility of a ‘proper’ O/S in a desktop or laptop.


Too bad Google products are crash-happy
By MartyLK on 5/12/2011 5:38:20 PM , Rating: 4
If my experience with Chrome web browser is any indication of reliability with Chrome OS, it will be worse than Windows ever was. I rarely get through a session of using Chrome web browser before it crashes for some reason. And most of the time it acts weird about loading some sites or going funky when you try to do something too quickly.

Maybe it has issues with Windows, I don't know. But I try to minimize my time using Chrome. A lot of people retort they never have issues with Chrome and can't fathom how I'm having issues. But they refuse to look beyond their own experience. Maybe they have never used a more reliable browser and are conditioned to the Chrome experience thinking it's the best. But there's no possible way for Google to be any kind of PC OS competition for MS.




RE: Too bad Google products are crash-happy
By dcollins on 5/12/2011 8:32:48 PM , Rating: 2
I have the exact opposite experience with Chrome. I have Chrome open all day, every day at work (3 Gmail accounts) and I restart my browser maybe every week or two for upgrades. I honestly can only remember one time Chrome crashed in the last year and I run the beta channel.

Did you install the Dev channel perhaps? I use Dev at home and definitely notice some stability issues like those you are describing. That is too be expected of the development version, however. I use Firefox as well; version 4 is pretty great.

To be fair, I also find Windows 7 to be a remarkably stable OS. My HTPC/Gaming machine has been up and running for almost a month solid now. I need to restart for upgrades but I love seeing how long I can go between restarts.


By MartyLK on 5/12/2011 8:49:14 PM , Rating: 2
Nah, not the dev. I use the commonly available non-beta version. And it could be how it's used. I tend to use it for media play like Hulu and such as well as general web browsing. But I do see that "Oh snap!" message quite a lot.


RE: Too bad Google products are crash-happy
By KoolAidMan1 on 5/13/2011 5:08:13 AM , Rating: 2
Same, the only thing that crashes Chrome for me is Flash, and it doesn't take down the whole application, just the tabs that were using Flash. Solid for me, hands down my favorite browser.


By Azethoth on 5/13/2011 4:18:03 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah I will second that. Chrome constantly has a "The Adobe Crash application has crashed" message. Apple, for the love of god, apple pie and ponies, please keep Flash away from iOS forever.

As for Chrome crashing I have had 4 lockups in the past year. Not really clear what that is all about. However, I am happy to blame Adobe Crash since that seems to be what it does.


By MartyLK on 5/13/2011 10:24:40 PM , Rating: 2
Too bad it isn't the Flash that always crashes. It might be because of the Flash for why Chrome crashes, but I have two different types of crashes with and within Chrome: Chrome itself and Shockwave Flash. Each present there own different message.

For reliability of general web browsing, I use Firefox 3.x. For video watching I use all the others. But nothing, in my lengthy experience has touched FF for browsing reliability and feature convenience.


Umm what?
By dusteater on 5/12/2011 3:53:52 PM , Rating: 1
Google is the one torturing us. All of their sites and applications have terrible UI design and make you take too many steps to accomplish a simple task.

Sorry Google, you are the bully in the tech world. You're do no evil and saying MS is too big doesn't work anymore.




RE: Umm what?
By SSDMaster on 5/12/2011 4:06:02 PM , Rating: 3
Yea! Like Google.com. You enter a word to search and hit enter.

Waaaaay too complicated.


RE: Umm what?
By JJoyce on 5/12/2011 4:26:09 PM , Rating: 2
Clearly, having the functionality in the negative space is confusing to this layman. Perhaps large arrows pointing to the search function, embedded videos demonstrating how to search, and a tongue-in-cheek comic depicting the dangers internet searching all on the front page, obscuring the search function altogether, would be more appropriate.


RE: Umm what?
By robiwon on 5/13/2011 12:24:54 AM , Rating: 2
It is the scrolling through 6,410,000,000 results is where the complications come from, thinking through the problems often gives you the answers that elude you.


A viable option
By browzman on 5/12/2011 5:20:41 PM , Rating: 1
Having lost two Windows systems to virus attack it was and now is very difficult to recuperate. For the last 3 weeks I cannot find the Tech who took my laptop to remove the virus and now I am contemplating a new laptop and then comes the "recuperating curve" before I am back to normal.

Google definitely may be a viable option with Chrome OS.




RE: A viable option
By Omega215D on 5/12/2011 6:37:03 PM , Rating: 2
So what are you doing on a tech site if you are absolutely clueless on how to deal with your pc effectively, let alone maintain it properly to avoid the situation in the first place?

Windows 7 and Vista (both were on my self-built PC) have yet to give me any real issues (just weird file arrangement but still not as hidden as my Mac).


RE: A viable option
By StevoLincolnite on 5/13/2011 1:14:28 AM , Rating: 2
You need to take a step back and look at what you're doing wrong.
I haven't had a virus in years... Why? Because I do not click on random stuff that pops up on my screen and my computer "wears" proper protection. (Windows 7+NOD32+Firefox with Adblock Plus and a few other apps.)

Most problems people have with Windows is due to what the user has done wrong, the OS doesn't automatically go off and download a Virus just to make life difficult.


RE: A viable option
By themaster08 on 5/13/2011 2:54:00 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed. We get this all of the time.

A computer will come in for a virus removal. 3 weeks later it's back in. Why? Because the idiots have downloaded whatever it is that gave them malware in the first place!

But of course, they're oblivious to this. They are the helpless victims that Windows seems to give malware to each time they surf the internet.

I sincerely believe that in the years to come, malware creators and distributors will shift away from Windows and force their efforts onto mobile/tablet operating systems.

Malware has already been created for Android, and will continue to do so. The PSN debacle has shown just how easy it is for hackers to access over 100million accounts. We'll be seeing more of this.


Really?
By CorwinOfAmber on 5/12/2011 9:07:40 PM , Rating: 2
Forget the "cloud computing controversy" for a moment.

Does anyone REALLY believe Mr. Brin REALLY believes Windows & tortures it's users?

If you don't - what does that say about this article?

If you do - I can't help you.




RE: Really?
By KoolAidMan1 on 5/13/2011 5:12:16 AM , Rating: 1
Perhaps he does believe it. I know that the majority of Googlers use OS X and/or Linux.


RE: Really?
By lecanard on 5/17/2011 8:53:24 PM , Rating: 2
That's missing the point. He was complaining about computer management being torture. Linux involves much more of this kind of "torture".


Nothing wrong with Windows (tm)
By JohnDave on 5/12/2011 4:14:18 PM , Rating: 4
I don't believe he's anywhere close to being right. I've been a Windows user since the early 80's. There 'were' problems, but now, with Win 7
the've been essentially ironed out. I ain't switching to a Google net PC.




Crazy!
By ctodd on 5/12/2011 4:32:11 PM , Rating: 4
Like using anything Google creates is any less frustrating! I find many of their services less than intuitive. I like watching motor-mouths painting themselves into a corner. They’ll be the target one day and I will LMAO!




By lecanard on 5/12/2011 5:25:16 PM , Rating: 2
He just said that Microsoft and other vendors have computer management, which is tortuous for casual users. The same complaint goes for Apple and Linux (casual users don't use Linux much, but it tortures those of us in the tech industry who need it for development but don't have any interest in becoming Linux experts). He isn't actually bashing Windows so much as advocating a new casual approach to an OS.




By Omega215D on 5/12/2011 6:46:46 PM , Rating: 2
Makes me wonder on why they don't expand on Android 3 for such things then?

If the EEE Transformer Pad is any indication I'd say it's almost ready for such a thing.


Editing Note:
By icemansims on 5/12/2011 4:01:17 PM , Rating: 2
Caption of the picture. "Sergey Brin, co-founder of Windows says Microsoft is guilty of torture. He says that using Windows is a tortuous experience. " Should be "...co-founder of Google..."




RE: Editing Note:
By The Raven on 5/12/2011 4:17:29 PM , Rating: 2
Here's another Mick:
quote:
Mr. Brin unloaded on the world's leading operating maker, Microsoft Corp. (MSFT).

should be operating system maker.

Thanks


RE: Editing Note:
By micksh on 5/12/11, Rating: -1
No torture for me....
By cooperaaaron on 5/12/2011 4:18:52 PM , Rating: 3
Been using Linux for years and enjoying it...




Sure, but I'm OCD
By inaphasia on 5/13/2011 5:48:17 AM , Rating: 2
I've been using Win7 for over 6 months now and can never get my hard drives to report anything other than 0% fragmented:( I totally miss babysitting my PC. My XP machine gets far less usage but still manages to "need" it's six-month customary clean-install. While all I can do in 7 is click "Clean System Files" in Disk Cleanup and delete the System errors. So while I'm sure this dude is the bees-knees, I'm guessing he hasn't used Windows in a while or heard of Security Essentials.

Anyway, I'm one of those people that are Google-shy. I loathe minimalistic and cringe at data-mining. Do I deserve a "gold"-foil hat? Sure, but I'm not falling for those spam-casserole recipes triggered by the Spam folder in Gmail. I know your "recording" me Google. And has anybody tried using Revo Uninstaller to get rid of Google Chat/Voice (or whatever it's called)? It's a scary experience.

I realize this looks like a rant (because really it deserves to be an essay, though I can't be bothered) so I'll get to the point. Since it looks like all companies are hell-bent on copying Google/Apple, there are two positives (that I can think of) to come out of this when it comes to laptop hardware. First (cosmeticly) the Cr-48 is sexy ! I always thought the Holy Grail (to even the most devout Apple-hater) that is "unibody" looked utterly retarded. Hopefully the Cr-48 will be copied to death. Second (the only compliment I can think of, to give Apple) is Apple's obsession with quality screens. Maybe that will trickle down to other companies too.

Bottom line: I ain't getting my mom a Chrome netbook. And I'm sure this will have zero effect on Google's ability to sell the things.




RE: Sure, but I'm OCD
By sxr7171 on 5/13/2011 1:41:59 PM , Rating: 1
Windows IMHO is tortuous, but Google is no better frankly. Yes they data mine your life like nobody else and between the two as much as Windows sucks, I would say MS is by far the lesser evil. I run a Windows 7 machine as a Windows Media Center and it is a piece of shit. Randomly freezing UI, all of a sudden lagging with user inputs, can't find files and suddenly finds them later. A basic Tivo or any cheap cable box shits on the whole OS and user experience. It's clear to me that MS is incompetent with anything Windows. Look at Xbox 360, the UI is perfect, and it works. Same issues with WHS, which is a retarded system that constantly balances its drives and gives dumb errors over stupid things. I come home and see that Windows 7 restarted itself in the middle of a TV recording to install updates. Its a retarded OS that only exists and thrives due to a vast majority monopoly. If there were some basic competition it would have gone down to 15% market share without a doubt. People apologize for Windows because they use it and it mostly works, but they don't see that a desktop OS should be far better, far more reliable especially one that pulls 80%+ of worldwide OS revenues.


Chrome ?
By Glocknine on 5/12/2011 4:35:36 PM , Rating: 2
Cloud base OS does not give me much interest coz I dont think I would leave desktop rig built for high-end gaming and productivity, and I have my 3g tablet. Chrome OS sounds like for people that have nothing on their notebook other than email, chat.




good and not so good
By fatbaldandhappy on 5/12/2011 6:43:45 PM , Rating: 2
I've had a CR-48 for several months. It definitely requires a different mindset and approach to computing. Like most devices it has benefits and drawbacks. Working completely out of the cloud takes lots of patience, some good planning, and thinking about things differently.

With no single cloud provider for all the services you need for a robust computing experience (media, remote files, office work, etc.) or even a complete media experience there are frustrations, incompatibilities, and the biggest frustration- network performance from your provider to the service you're accessing.

I find it interesting that for so long the demand for performance has been insatiable and then this proposed shift to remotely managed computing which builds in a HUGE inherent network latency in even the simplest task (saving a file, cropping a picture, playing a video). I realize the advertised purpose isn't to replace local computing, but realistically that's where the attempt is going. Maybe it will work, but so far in my 8 month experiment there's a long long long long... way to go.




If Windows is torture, than...
By Thalyn on 5/13/2011 2:35:59 AM , Rating: 2
What is being presented with "Are you sure you didn't mean..." every time you enter a search term? Especially when there's no immediately obvious way to say "Yes, I did - search for what I told you and not what you think I meant."

At least when I click on "Control Panel" I get a control panel... who knows what the Chromebook will bring up.




Not compelling
By epobirs on 5/13/2011 5:04:16 AM , Rating: 2
I find Brin's claims extremely unconvincing. This device is essentially a portable WebTV. This isn't as limited as such an item would have been ten or so years ago when WebTV was still an actively marketed product but the same can be said for the basic OS shipped with mainstream laptops.

The equation remains the same. For no significant monetary savings, this gives me nothing I cannot get with a full feature mainstream laptop while taking away much that I do get. The claimed reduction of complexity just isn't that big an improvement in exchange for the limiting of my choices.

Nor do any claims of malware protection impress me. The #1 security feature of any platform is lack of market share. The black hats have demonstrated time and again that every system has holes to be exploited. If your platform represent an opportunity for the crooks, it will fall. It's just a question of whether you've got the numbers to make it worth their time.

The #1 security hole to be exploited is gullible users. If you target them as a market, you don't as great of a market share to be of interest to the bad guys. And isn't that what Google is promoting here? A platform for users who cannot be trusted not poke holes in themselves if left unsupervised with a sharp object? "Target our platform! We've got the dumbest users gather in one virtual place!"




The "thin client" returns
By Wererat on 5/13/2011 10:25:26 AM , Rating: 2
The "cloud" is just terminal-based computing, the "thin client," and similar pushes to shift the computing off the client and onto centralized hardware all over again.

I have two concerns which are not leveled at Google alone but at all such vendors:

1. In a time when governments are seeking ever-increasing inquiry into and control of our lives, is it really a great idea for everyone to put their personal data in large, central locations?

2. Maybe MS, Amazon, Google, and other cloud vendors might like to have a little chat with AT&T, Comcast, et al. who are busily crippling us by putting caps on our 'net traffic. I can't reach the clouds if I keep bumping up against the artificial ceiling.




lmao...
By NellyFromMA on 5/13/2011 2:04:07 PM , Rating: 2
Google want's to sell the next generation (mobile) dummy terminal to... wait for it... dummies! GENIOUS! PS, they will profile you as you do anything on it. DOUBLE GENIOUS! /sarcasm

Seriously, the concept is intelligent particularly from a marketing stand point, but there is neither the right infrastructure (3g internet is too expensive and unreliable and not available consistently everywhere, wi-fi is not viable at present availablility wise) nor the right price vs what you get for functionality from this device. They are pushing a version of the cloud that has mostly been built up in people heads. They will probably get decent money from this due to either the curious or the dumb, and while many will probably not be happy with this, the second version will be funded by the first and that will be closer to 'the cloud' each individual has built up in their head.

Kudos for the attempt, but they are raping a lazy demographics. Truth is, what they offer pales substantially to what Microsoft offers with Windows and they know it. But the majority of end users don't need all that Windows has to offer. Microsoft has to respond to this with something other than shoving Windows in front of people....




Cloud
By Performance Fanboi on 5/13/2011 5:34:54 PM , Rating: 2
Did Amazon teach us nothing? Yes, store your info in the cloud and be surprised when it disappears - like a cloud.




By Tunrip on 5/16/2011 9:54:01 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Microsoft has toyed with the notion of a similar cloud-driven operating system, releasing a test version of Windows dubbed Windows Azure

Sorry, just had to correct this...

Windows Azure is the name of Microsoft's cloud "platform". Think "web-hosting with bonus bits". It is not the name of a "test version" of a cloud-driven Windows Operating System.




hrmmmm.
By I800C0LLECT on 5/16/2011 10:17:16 AM , Rating: 2
If Seinfeld had a son...




Torture?
By Raiders12 on 5/17/2011 7:45:07 AM , Rating: 2
What torture are they referring to? I have built 4 of my own computers now, and ran Win Xp, Vista, and 7. Vista was a clunky mess, but Win 7 is the way Vista was supposed to be, smooth, sleek, and efficient. I do not understand where the "torture" from MS is? When I click MS Word 2010, the app runs. When I open Chrome or Firefox, it runs. When I play a game I loaded, it runs. Windows updates itself. I cannot recall a time when my PC just randomly crashed other than when I overclocked my processor to 4 Ghz. So what exactly is the problem? I load whatever applications and programs I want, freeware or paid software, building an efficient and custom computing experience. By "torture" do they mean people who are too stupid to not click Ad's promising $10000 and then getting a virus? Or maybe the same people who install the incorrect versions and drivers? *Ahem* If you have Windows 7, click the Windows 7 link for downloading drivers. Then again these Chromebooks are aimed at the same people who buy watered down Netbooks or Ipads, and scream MS is the almighty devil. M-m-m-m-m-orons.




I disagree
By StanO360 on 5/17/2011 12:04:34 PM , Rating: 2
The "tortuous" part of Windows (and OSx or Linux for that matter) is not what it does, but what it doesn't do.

PC's are extremely complicated devices, doing very complicated tasks. So as peoples expectations rise so do their frustrations. Often, problems are nothing to do with Windows. Routers, modems, printers, etc. Mac people suck it up and buy new equipment or never voice their frustrations.

My point of bringing this up? Chrome will be worse than all of the others when it comes to "how come I can't . . .?" It might do a relatively narrow amount of tasks well and simply. But as soon as a businessman arrives with his presentation and they say just put your presentation on a thumb drive and it looks like crap, or he can't hook up, or the company security protocals, etc, etc.




What's really torture...
By INeedCache on 5/13/2011 9:15:52 AM , Rating: 1
is listening to little shits like Brin who think that every idea they have is new and revolutionary. This is a retread idea. Albert Einstein said "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." But I suppose Einstein is torture for you too, Brin.




it's hanky time!
By CREDULOUSdOLT on 5/12/11, Rating: 0
Oops...
By Tegrat on 5/12/11, Rating: -1
Quote
By eh1524 on 5/12/11, Rating: -1
"Well, there may be a reason why they call them 'Mac' trucks! Windows machines will not be trucks." -- Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer














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