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Google fires back at "dishonest" Microsoft ad

If you read the story yesterday about Microsoft trying to take advantage of Google's woes centering on its new change in privacy policies and had mental images of pots and kettles; you aren't alone. Microsoft is trying to woo consumers that use Google services over to similar Microsoft services, and according to Google, the boys from Redmond aren’t being entirely truthful.
While Microsoft took to newspapers all around the country to make its claims, Google is taking to its official Public Policy Blog to refute the myths Microsoft and others are selling. The first myth Google refutes is that it made $36 billion selling information about users in 2011. Google says that it does not sell, trade or rent personally indefinable information about users of any of its services. It also notes that the ads it sells are placed by advertisers and target specific keywords.
The next myth to be busted according to Google is that its privacy policy changes will make it harder for people to control their information. Google points out again that its privacy controls have not changed and that it offers more privacy controls the most companies (read Microsoft) offer by allowing the users to edit and delete the search history, YouTube viewing history, and port any data they want to other services. Google also mentions its Google Dashboard and Ads Preferences Manager as a place users can go to see what data was collected and manage that data.
Next on the busting block is the allegation that Google is changing the privacy policy to make the data they collect more valuable to advertisers. Google claims that the majority of the product personalization it offers has nothing to do with patents and is simply to make the service better for users. The example Google uses is when a Gmail user logs into an e-mail account if the Gmail message is about meeting, they can directly add the meeting to their calendar. Google also notes that no one reads e-mails other than the person who received the e-mail.
Allegations have claimed that Google Apps are not government certified and are not safe for users. Google says that its apps are in fact certified government use and they are secure. The new privacy policy Google is working on doesn't change the contract role agreements that Google has, and those contract role agreements have always superseded Google's privacy policy and will continue to do so with the new changes in place.
The final myth Google wants to bust is that Microsoft's approach to privacy is better. Google said, "We don’t make judgments about other people’s policies or controls. But our industry-leading Privacy Dashboard, Ads Preferences Manager and data liberation efforts enable you to understand and control the information we collect and how we use it—and we’ve simplified our privacy policy to make it easier to understand. Microsoft has no data liberation effort or Dashboard-like hub for users. Their privacy policy states that “information collected through one Microsoft service may be combined with information obtained through other Microsoft services."

Source: Google

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Poor Form
By Reclaimer77 on 2/2/2012 10:26:20 AM , Rating: 5
I remember how offended Bill Gates and the folks over at Microsoft were when Apple launched it's intelligence-offending commercial smear campaign against them. And I was in complete agreement with them.

For Microsoft to turn around and pull the same underhanded tactic with this fear mongering campaign--praying on peoples ignorance and confusion--against Google is very poor form. And hypocritical.

This isn't the way to gain marketshare, Microsoft. Tell me how amazing YOUR product is. Get me to want to use it. Don't tell me the OTHER guys are going to sneak in the middle of the night and steal my stuff when I'm sleeping.

RE: Poor Form
By theapparition on 2/2/2012 11:33:19 AM , Rating: 4
Come on Reclaimer.

You of all should know how DUMB most people are in almost any category. They feed off of what the boob-tube tells them.

I hated the Mac vs PC guy commercials, because for the most part, they were outright fabrications. But many loved them. Even Pepsi has to show Santa Clause sneaking away for some fun from Coke.

You don't have to go much further than the negative political attack ads to see how effective they are. They don't need to be all true, and yet people eat them up. I'd love to see only ads where one candidate talks about their policies, not about what they think the others policies are. But it won't happen.

I'd love to see positive marketing, but it's just not going to happen. People want dirt, they want sleaze and TMZ. Negative ads are part of human nature.

more myth busting...
By NellyFromMA on 2/2/12, Rating: 0
RE: more myth busting...
By EricMartello on 2/2/2012 3:53:14 PM , Rating: 1
Do people still think that this rich mega-corporations got to be as big and powerful as they are playing by the rules? Google has done more than its fair share of shady sh1t and backroom deals to get to the top. Same with Facebook, Twitter and any other "success story".

By default, the economic system would not allow anyone to get so much wealth in such a relatively short period of time, so circumventing the system is a necessity if your goal is to rake in billions, or even hundreds of millions.

RE: more myth busting...
By NellyFromMA on 2/7/2012 4:39:37 PM , Rating: 2
Doesn't that speak more to the flaws o fwhat we perceive as right and wrong, worth while and not in society today?

By Shadowself on 2/2/2012 3:14:01 PM , Rating: 3
Is this the same Microsoft who, when they came out with their "Passport" system, claimed in their original EULA that any and all data entered into the Passport System was 100% owned by Microsoft? (That is, if you entered your date and place of birth into the original Passport system you no longer owned that data, Microsoft owned i In theory, in the extreme, Microsoft could legally forbid you from filling out any forms with your date and place of birth without their permission after you signed up for Passport.) Then the expected outcry from the usual suspects and Microsoft backed off to change the EULA to stating that Microsoft had "unlimited rights to use" that data any way they wanted. (I haven't read the Passport EULA in years so I don't know what it currently says.)


By lithium451 on 2/2/2012 10:04:08 PM , Rating: 2
The fact is, if you need a posting on your "Public Policy Blog" to refute something, you've already lost the PR battle.

Putting aside whether it's fair for MS to claim the high ground on this, people are upset and concerned about Google's latest actions, and anybody (MS included) that wants to increase the pressure on Google is in my opinion doing a public service (no matter what the motive.)

By masamasa on 2/2/2012 10:58:33 AM , Rating: 1
They are just another corporate giant with $$$ signs in their eyeballs. A campaign of the pot calling the kettle black and nothing more.

By NellyFromMA on 2/2/12, Rating: 0
RE: hmm
By NellyFromMA on 2/7/2012 4:40:55 PM , Rating: 1
Evidentally, some people just like to disagree. Sorry I didn't realize these forums are trolled by pseudo-intellectual nerd-snobs, my bad!

Who do you trust
By fishman on 2/2/12, Rating: -1
RE: Who do you trust
By Brandon Hill on 2/2/2012 10:20:09 AM , Rating: 3
Maybe you need to get a new family ;)

At the bare minimum, they should be running Microsoft Security Essentials.

RE: Who do you trust
By mmatis on 2/2/2012 10:27:34 AM , Rating: 2
The correct answer to "Who do you trust" in reference to this pair is "NEITHER!!!"

RE: Who do you trust
By ClownPuncher on 2/2/2012 10:34:47 AM , Rating: 2
Put there by clicking Google ads?

RE: Who do you trust
By StevoLincolnite on 2/2/2012 10:49:34 AM , Rating: 2
When I think about who I would trust with any personal data, I remember about how much malware I've had to clean off of my families' Windows 7 computers.

That's not Microsoft's fault that it's targeted by malicious users/groups or that people randomly click "ok" on whatever pops-up on there screen without thinking.

They have the security in place and offer a free anti-virus program, the rest is down to the users.

Can't expect Microsoft to do anymore than that, heck they even go to great lengths to shut down large botnets and servers that control the information from Trojans and Viruses and such.

RE: Who do you trust
By NellyFromMA on 2/2/2012 1:02:49 PM , Rating: 1
It's easier for those types to blame others instead of themselves. Accountablity is the 21st century is a relic.

RE: Who do you trust
By rmui43 on 2/2/2012 11:26:34 AM , Rating: 2
So it's Microsoft's fault that your family has gotten malware installed on their systems?

RE: Who do you trust
By anactoraaron on 2/2/2012 11:41:15 AM , Rating: 2
I remember about how much malware I've had to clean off of my families' Windows 7 computers

Are you serious or just trolling? My father in law used to get malware in what seemed to be every day on XP even with MSE. Since I upgraded him to windows 7 (also with MSE), he has been running virus/malware free for over a year. You can't possibly be serious.

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