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A new report from a top investment researcher criticizes Microsoft and Intel for talking noisily about tablets, but producing no actual products to date.  (Source: PC Magazine)
Pair missed out on a key emerging market by responding too slow

Intel is vowing to release 35 Atom-core powered tablets next year sporting Windows 7, Android (Linux), and Meego (Linux); but those promises did little to stop Goldman Sachs researchers from delivering a scathing review on the companies' tablets progress.

Reports from Goldman Sachs often hold a key influence on corporate stock prices, so the report is troubling to both Microsoft and Intel, which received criticism in the report.

Analyst Bill Shope praises the progress of ARM processor makers and leading tablet OS makers Apple (iOS) and Google (Android).  He predicts sales of 54.7 million tablets in 2011 and states, "If this is the case and our tablet forecast is anywhere near accurate, this would be the first time in three decades that a non-Wintel technology has made legitimate inroads into personal computer."

Mr. Shope adds, "This rush of iPad competitors is not surprising in itself, as Apple tends to regularly define the direction of the electronic media and computing industries.  What is surprising is that many of these products are not utilizing Intel microprocessors or a Microsoft operating environment."

Another Goldman Sachs analyst, Sarah Friar, points out that Microsoft claimed that it would deliver tablets by Christmas, but that the "tablet response is still not forthcoming", having slipped to 2011.

ISuppli, a separate market research firm recently offered a similar prediction of 63.5 million tablets shipped in 2011, up from approximately 13.8 million sold this year.

The New York Times this week ran a report that Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer was set to announce new Windows tablets, including a Dell and Samsung model, at CES 2011 in January.  The source says that Microsoft may even show a tablet running Windows 8.

Similarly Intel is trying to turn around its ship, with the release of its aforementioned 35 tablets on its "Oak Trail" (Windows 7, Android, MeeGo) and "Moorestown" (Android, MeeGo) platforms.

Of course both companies were talking about releasing tablets at CES last year -- but neither delivered.

At least iSuppli shows Microsoft a little more love, commenting, "Even with Microsoft’s stumbles to date in tablets, iSuppli believes that Microsoft will figure out how to design a functional tablet operating system."

But the picture is clear -- these companies must deliver in 2011 or they risk being reduced to bit players in the next generation of computing.



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OEM's
By damianrobertjones on 12/16/2010 11:17:50 AM , Rating: 3
Microsoft can only do so much.

Oems are, for some reason, holding back. Are they waiting for better Atom processors? Not sure. Either way, the tablets out there now, Viewsonic Viewpad 10, Archos 9, ummm.. HP 500, Tegra 2 are all, basically, the same damn product in ever so slightly modified packages.

I went onto ebay and purchased an oem Tablet for £320 and it's fantastic. The Viewpad 10 is another China special oem device sold by various people and what do you have, a 16Gb SSD, 1Gb memory. Pathetic.

Sure, I'm going to install Windows 7 Embedded Standard to gain space and speed but oems are lazy. Damn lazy. This is what should happen:
- MS, modify the MS Office ribbon bar to slide right or left and ALL options are set as tabs.
- MS, offer one more version of Win7 - Tablet edition. Strip out all the crap and damn well give people the option to put it back in. Light, fast, streamlined. Win8 will be too little, too late.
- Start a program where you have basic Touch guidelines for Applications. (Which everyone will probably ignore)
- Offer a few more onscreen keyboards for Win7. Although the one now is fantastic
- OEMS to settle on a screen resolution. 1366x760. No more 1280x600.
- OEMS to settle on a FAST standard spec of SSD.
- OEMS to sell machines with 2Gb as standard
- New Atoms to lift the damn limit of ram and push to 4Gb.
- DAMN WELL Stop it with 4 hour batteries. We want 5.5hrs minimum

..and pigs might fly. is anyone taking charge? If OEMS don't do it for Acer, MSI etc, then MS, PLEASE, do it yourself. HP, you had the TC1100 and all you had to do was revise with Touch. Acer, you have the 1820ptz, pretty much ready to slap onto where the keyboard sits? Toshiba, well, they gave up after the 750m. Sony? Up their own backside so forget them.

Damn lazy. Why does SMUG Apple have to teach the rest a lesson.




RE: OEM's
By melgross on 12/16/2010 11:54:15 AM , Rating: 2
They're not lazy. They don't think these will sell. Why should they spend tens of millions designing products that they have their doubts about? They aren't there to make MS money, or be their test beds. How about MS doing what Google has done with the Nexus, and designing a tablet to show OEM's, and the rest of the world the right way to do it?


RE: OEM's
By Pirks on 12/16/2010 12:25:14 PM , Rating: 1
MS knows dick about designing nice hardware and they don't seem to be learning to. The failure of Zune and XBox RROD debacle proves that MS just can't do this. They have nice software but their hardware is usually a mediocre junk.


RE: OEM's
By Luticus on 12/16/2010 4:03:02 PM , Rating: 1
funny... the zune is widely regarded as freaking awesome. Personally i prefer a good old sandisk mp3 player. Cheaper and doesn't require stupid freaking iTunes.

As for the xBox, i like mine. It's not the wii at the moment but it's a fairly strong second and is doing rather well in the console race. Sure it had problems but ms spent a ridiculous amount of money fixing it and extending warranties and such. I think they contained the mess fairly well considering the gravity of it and recovered quite nicely.


RE: OEM's
By Pirks on 12/17/2010 12:35:02 AM , Rating: 2
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zune is widely regarded as freaking awesome
That's why so many people own it. Oh wait...
quote:
I think they contained the mess fairly well considering the gravity of it and recovered quite nicely
Yeah, they flushed a few billions down the toilet here and there, some RROD stuff and what not, who cares right? They have some more billions left to flush next, so don't worry eh :))) hahaha, nice


RE: OEM's
By Luticus on 12/17/2010 10:27:21 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yeah, they flushed a few billions down the toilet here and there, some RROD stuff and what not, who cares right? They have some more billions left to flush next, so don't worry eh :))) hahaha, nice


In the end they still MADE money... so I'd say they got the last laugh. besides, you can't fault a company for admitting it screwed something up and actually making it right. at least they didn't answer with "you're playing it wrong"


RE: OEM's
By Pirks on 12/17/2010 12:43:30 PM , Rating: 2
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In the end they still MADE money
Nah they just lost money because nobody knows how many more years or dozens of years will it take for MS to recoup 21 BILLION they invested, look at http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/13297/Analyst-When-W...

Forget about making ANY money on Xbox, this is pure money drain and nothing else. They invested dozens of billions and got a freaking hundreds of millions back as a profit? WOOOWW, what a PROFIT!!! jeezzz... are you kdding me?

and there's no need to remove itunes from your mac if you don't use it, since it doesn't consume any system resources when no running, so stop fantasizing


RE: OEM's
By Luticus on 12/17/2010 1:31:19 PM , Rating: 2
Bah, where do these number come from? are they just console sales? do they include games + accessories, How about xbox live? There's a lot of revenue "synergy" because of the xbox. seriously 21 billion is a crap load of money to loose. if it were that bad they would have axed it by now.

quote:
and there's no need to remove itunes from your mac if you don't use it, since it doesn't consume any system resources when no running, so stop fantasizing

Apart from the fact that itunes can still be auto launched with head set media buttons and such (i know there's a command i can enter to disable this), this simple fact is that it's there taking up space and annoying me with it's presence. On my windows machines i do not leave items installed that I'll NEVER use and pretty much hate, why would i treat a mac any different?


RE: OEM's
By Pirks on 12/17/2010 10:10:30 PM , Rating: 2
It is that bad but if they axed it they will lose even more than they lose now. What would you choose, losing 21 billion or losing say 10 billion? MS will lose a train load of money anyway, they just try to make this money losing train having as few cars as possible ;) This is why they can't axe it.

I still don't understand why would you bother yourself about some apps you don't use that don't harass you in any way because you just don't use them. I know my Windows 7 box has dozens of built in Windows apps and applets and control panel sh1t I have no idea about, so what? You are anal beyond all recognition, and besides that you have an interesting double standard. All these Windows built in apps that you never use are okay but this built in OS X app is not. I call pure winfanatical BS on that. Just drop your double standard already, will ya?


RE: OEM's
By Luticus on 12/20/2010 11:06:39 AM , Rating: 2
There is not double standard. As i stated before, if i don't use it on windows i loose it. As it turns out "most" of the software that comes with windows i not only know what it is, but actually like. Windows media player being the lone exception. The only reason that remains installed is because windows media center relies on it a bit heavily.

There is not double standard with me, i'm simply holding osx to the same standard i hold everything else. On the systems i have that don't use windows media center ever windows media player is removed in favor of zoom player and winamp.

quote:
winfanatical
I might be a bit "anti-apple" but I'm not so much "pro Microsoft" either. I simply give credit where it's due. Apple has done some good things (even regarding their computer platform) but overall they irritate me because they directly go against everything i think a computer platform should be.

quote:
they just try to make this money losing train having as few cars as possible
i think they'll do just fine, especially with the new kinect.


RE: OEM's
By Pirks on 12/20/2010 12:52:52 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
they directly go against everything i think a computer platform should be
Yeah they cater to Joe from the street, not to the geeks. Doh.
quote:
i think they'll do just fine
As long as they have monopoly status in business and desktop OS/office and thus can compensate for their failures in hardware design that costs them billions. Not sure their monopoly will hold forever tho...


RE: OEM's
By Pirks on 12/17/2010 12:40:05 AM , Rating: 2
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and doesn't require stupid freaking iTunes
iPod doesn't require iTunes either, check out yamipod or WinAMP iPod plugins and stop being so dumb please


RE: OEM's
By Luticus on 12/17/2010 10:25:15 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
iPod doesn't require iTunes either, check out yamipod or WinAMP iPod plugins


sure, unless of course you are setting it up for the first time. after that you can throw out the itues right... oh wait i forgot about software updates which are pushed throught.... itunes? me thinks.

This is pretty much the ONLY reason i have itunes on my MAC. because we have to support iphones and ipads.

I've told you before, i know my crap. you can't feed me some BS line... it will NEVER work because i know what i'm talking about and i'll call you on it every time. now if there is some program out there that will let me set up and configure these devices, get updates, etc. besides itunes... you let me know ok... i really want to remove that garbage from my mac immediately.


RE: OEM's
By kmmatney on 12/18/2010 5:31:29 PM , Rating: 2
Honestly, iTunes is not all that bad - especially at managing a crap load of music. You just install it - then uninstall the things you don't need (a few drivers most people never need) and turn off the App store. I haven't connected my phone to iTunes for over a year, but I still use iTunes all the time to manage 30GB of music. It's not any more bloated then most of the other music managers out there, and its free.


RE: OEM's
By Luticus on 12/20/2010 11:11:04 AM , Rating: 2
itunes has NOTHING on winamp. Winamp has more features, can play significantly more formats, is significantly less intrusive, far more customizable, skinnable, and, most importantly, the playlist manager is excellent compared to iTunes. Now this is all just my opinion of course but i think i'm not alone when i say winamp > itunes.

but other people are entitled to their opinions as well :D


RE: OEM's
By robinthakur on 12/17/2010 10:04:54 AM , Rating: 2
OEM's are in business to make money. What you have posited will not make them money. It would drain R&D resources, coming to market to sell very little due to being overpriced versus competitors, by companies which lack the resources and ability to market them and preceived as yesterday's-news in terms of OS. Even if Microsoft get behind them and pay for alot of advertising presence (see Windows Phone 7) it is not a space people associate with MS, and they are starting from zero.

Frankly, If people wanted to use full Windows on a slate/tablet, they have had the ability to for many years. The fact that they haven't taken it up in the slightest and also that you think price is not directly related to battery life and hardware spec, does nothing to change this. If you ship Windows Phone 7 based devices, windows users complain that they can't run their old programs on it, so it's not possible for MS to be victorious here without WP7 first being a runaway hit IMO, which it's not going to be. Most people's ideal mobile OS used to be Windows back around the pocket PC days until they actually used it and realised that it was an exercise in futility. Since then, far better options exist now.

Apple is shipping a device since April at commodity prices, which despite its consumer centric nature has been taken up by companies worldwide because there is no alternative currently worth pursuing (discounting Android for now until there is something truly competitive with the iPad based on Gingerbread, the Tablet platform) If you think that business is hostile to Apple, this is generally true, but where people in charge regularly use Apple tech in their daily lives they increasingly request it from the IT department and get it.

Apple deserves to be smug because when everybody was saying "Why would anyone ever buy a big iPod Touch" Apple had already done the customer research to know that they would. When the buzz on an Apple tablet was reaching such dizzy heights prior to it being announced, did nobody in the industry take note that the demand was high for such a device despite the lack of sales for the ones already at market and begin to question why?


RE: OEM's
By jconan on 12/19/2010 5:19:53 PM , Rating: 2
I'm holding out for the Asus EP121, hopefully they'll deliver with an ulv c2d and a Digitizer!


Conflicted
By amanojaku on 12/16/2010 10:27:45 AM , Rating: 5
I agree that Intel and MS have dropped the ball on this. It's a shame, because neither have realized the market has changed. Mick hit the nail on the head:
quote:
But the picture is clear -- these companies must deliver in 2011 or they risk being reduced to bit players in the next generation of computing.
I think the problem is both companies are GREAT at traditional computing, however the average consumer is an idiot. Computers were meant for scientists and technicians, which is a small minority. What the consumer needs is an appliance, and a simple one at that. We used to joke about people who couldn't even program a VCR!

Enter Apple and it's iDiot-proof products. Apple sucks at making PCs, but it's great at making appliances. Go figure Apple didn't become successful until the iPod, iPhone, and iPad.

Intel and MS need to get a clue and learn to sell low power, small form factor systems with long battery life and big screens. For now all the consumer really wants is mobile TV, Internet, and games.




RE: Conflicted
By superPC on 12/16/2010 11:04:51 AM , Rating: 5
and it's a bit early to say that if they don't do anything in the next year they would be reduced to bit player. heck intel is a bit player in CE even a few months ago. now their atom based CE processor product runs everything from tv, to google tv, to media streamer (like boxee box). microsoft is bit player in the days of the PS2 and XBOX. now look at how the XBOX 360 is doing.

it's never to late to come in to a market as long as they have a good product. just look at apple. as someone in this forum said intel and MS started the whole tablet / slate PC with convertibles, project origami, and UMPC. apple comes late and give people a siple content consumption tablet with great user experience and people flock to apple. MS practically ruled the smartphone market for years and apple upstage them with a single product.

intel and MS can stage a comeback as long as they have a good product with good user experience.


RE: Conflicted
By superPC on 12/16/2010 11:09:25 AM , Rating: 2
oh speaking of UMPC and tablets from intel and MS, i missed the glory days of tv shows using them instead of apple. like that old stargate atlantis show. that show uses tablet PC and UMPC all the time. seeing reruns of it reminds me how far ahead of the time MS and intel really was (and that's only 2-3 years ago) and how far behind they're now.


RE: Conflicted
By damianrobertjones on 12/16/2010 11:19:50 AM , Rating: 2
I still have an Asus R2h. Everyone thought it was cool (until the iPad) but no-one, NOT ONE person wanted one.

Odd that.


RE: Conflicted
By melgross on 12/16/10, Rating: 0
RE: Conflicted
By damianrobertjones on 12/16/2010 4:06:26 PM , Rating: 3
The HP SLate 500 is for 'business' and not general consumers.

I'd say that the first real tablet was the HD TC1100 or Fujitsu siemens so yes, they did change. Thanks. Also, the Archos 9 has been out for a long time.


RE: Conflicted
By notposting on 12/16/2010 5:53:03 PM , Rating: 2
Those Motion M1400's were around 3lb tablets. Pretty good performance too.


RE: Conflicted
By fteoath64 on 12/17/2010 2:05:03 AM , Rating: 2
To be number 3 player in the tablet space is going to be very very difficult to compete. (Apple A4 with IOS #1 volume shipped, Android + ARM variants as #2).

Also with the price pressure of trying to be way below $500 per unit, the margins are going to be squeezed real hard in the market. So I cannot see MS or Intel going anywhere in the volume market in the next 3 years, if ever. Good luck in trying though.


RE: Conflicted
By omnicronx on 12/16/2010 6:34:04 PM , Rating: 2
I agree somewhat..

What this article makes it out as though neither side is serious about tablets which is just not the case.

On the Intel end it just flat out not feasible yet. X86 Atom cpu's don't currently match up with competing ARM offerings.(performance per watt at least which is what counts in the mobile space) Until they get their smaller process up and running it will remain as such..

On the MS end, I think we need to remember a little thing called the Slate, which was displayed at CES last year, but later dropped by HP after their Palm acquisition.. This could have very well been the Windows Tablets MS stated would be released this year.

That said, neither Intel and certainly not MS are out of the ballgame yet. All current tablets on the market and most of those slated for release next year target the consumer market exclusively. (Aside from Rim's playbook which in my opinion also seems to be a quasi consumer/business device)

I think we all know the potential of tablets in the business world. That is most likely where these two players will make their biggest impact.


RE: Conflicted
By KoolAidMan1 on 12/18/2010 6:46:09 PM , Rating: 2
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Enter Apple and it's iDiot-proof products. Apple sucks at making PCs, but it's great at making appliances


You're wrong about one thing, in that their computers are damn good too. I wouldn't dream of owning anything other than a high end Lenovo or a Macbook Pro. It is crazy that how many PC laptops are so horrible in comparison. 27" iMacs are a fantastic value as well, given that the display that it uses costs $1100 from Dell, but it also has a fast and silent computer built in.

I own mainly PCs that I build myself, but you can't deny how good Apple's hardware is compared to other big PC builders.


"Tablet"
By SAmely on 12/16/2010 10:20:39 AM , Rating: 1
I find it shockingly dense that "Tablets" are considered some new thing, when they've existed for quite some time : http://bit.ly/gATSNP

The new "tablets" are actually a SLATE form factor. Windows has had an OS called Windows TABLET PC before, so yes, they've missed the boat on SLATES, but not on tablets in general. A bit irritating that all the tech news covering this just largely ignores the existing tablets, especially when it comes to sales.




RE: "Tablet"
By michael2k on 12/16/2010 1:57:03 PM , Rating: 2
Excepting that Apple sells in one month the number of tablet pcs in a year? That's why everyone says Microsoft missed the boat.


RE: "Tablet"
By SAmely on 12/16/2010 3:00:49 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not saying Microsoft didn't miss the boat. They certainly did on the Slates, for sure. It's disappointing to some degree, especially with all the hype they threw out there.

With the numbers you just generally indicated, I don't know if it's true or not that Apple outsold all Tablet PCs in one year with their iPad in one month. Not without seeing concrete sales figures, anyways.


RE: "Tablet"
By michael2k on 12/16/2010 6:40:37 PM , Rating: 3
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-and-Notebooks/Ta...

In 2004 there was 1.2m "slates" and 2.3m convertible notebooks for a total of 3.5m units.

They projected, in 2009, sales of 4m units at the low end and 14m units on the high end. If 4m, then about 1.5m would have been slates and 2.5m convertibles.

Current estimates in 2010:
http://www.tech24.org/671tablet-markets-expected-t...

15m tablets, over 10m of which are iPads. They sold 4.19m last quarter, or 1.4m in a month (see above where the whole allotment of PC slates was 1.5m in a year). We already know that Samsung sold over 1m Galaxy Tabs, leaving Microsoft with about 4m slates this year.


RE: "Tablet"
By Solandri on 12/16/2010 9:23:42 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Excepting that Apple sells in one month the number of tablet pcs in a year? That's why everyone says Microsoft missed the boat.

Microsoft didn't miss the boat on tablets. They had their fingers all over the tablet PC market. Unfortunately, they were actively trying to steer the market away from devices like netbooks and the iPad because they don't run a full copy of Windows. No full version of Windows = less OS revenue for Microsoft.

Instead, they, along with Intel (which makes the most money off mid- and high-end processors) were trying to convince the market that a tablet PC should be a full blown computer which could double as a laptop. That led to a bunch of tablets which weighed 4-6 lbs and cost $500-$1000 more than an equivalent laptop. Of course they flopped in the market.

In trying to protect their pre-existing business model, Microsoft and Intel broke the #1 rule of business - give the customer what they want. I've been tinkering with tablets since the early 2000s and have been advocating something in the 1-2 lb range costing $100-$500 without the functionality of a full-blown laptop. The iPad hit the fringe of that spec and took off. I still say Apple is missing the meat of the potential market by locking the iPad down as a published content viewer and charging too much for it. If one of the Android tablets can function as a customizable clipboard replacement and can drop the price to the $250 range, I predict it will leave the iPad in the dust.


Goldman who?
By tech329 on 12/16/2010 10:43:48 AM , Rating: 3
Wall Street and Goldman Sachs in particular have demonstrated a myopic view of the world which hasn't worked out very well. I don't think their opinion is worth spit. Financial management is not the be all and end all of an economy or of a society.




RE: Goldman who?
By kattanna on 12/16/2010 12:14:24 PM , Rating: 1
while it is easy to point the finger at them for what they do, we, the american people, are really the ones to blame here. by our lack of willingness to pay attention to what congress does or doesnt do, we are allowing their behavior to continue.

they will continue to act such, knowing full well they can get away with it until we start voting people into office that will do what they say, AND!! start voting those out who dont

while that doesnt condone their actions, our inactions in a way say its OK.


RE: Goldman who?
By ClownPuncher on 12/16/2010 1:02:27 PM , Rating: 1
They aren't assholes because we didn't bust them soon enough? Or at all.


RE: Goldman who?
By kattanna on 12/16/2010 1:50:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
while that doesnt condone their actions


maybe you missed that end part of my post?


RE: Goldman who?
By ClownPuncher on 12/16/2010 3:43:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
our inactions in a way say its OK.


Nope :D


???
By Supa on 12/16/2010 10:22:08 AM , Rating: 2
What is that thing on the right side of the picture?




RE: ???
By amanojaku on 12/16/2010 10:28:50 AM , Rating: 2
Looks like a thumb.


RE: ???
By kattanna on 12/16/2010 10:50:37 AM , Rating: 2
looks like they are projecting a video image of ballmer holding the device onto a much larger background display so people not in the front few rows can see what he is holding


RE: ???
By Supa on 12/16/2010 10:59:54 AM , Rating: 2
Although the thumb angles are different, but I think you got it.


By DukeN on 12/16/2010 10:18:45 AM , Rating: 1
MS has royally botched both the tablet and smartphone areas, especially given they were the first major stakeholder in both. XP Tablet edition, and corresponding tablets have been out since 2004/2005, and there were even CE tablets before that.

The Pocket PC OS was fantastic (back in the day compared to others), and there were quite a few great devices before and after the phone part was integrated.

Of course, MS botched it thoroughly.

What's surprising is Redmond usually takes someone else's idea, makes it more usable and cashes in with it's marketing and publicity machine. On these two fronts they actually had a head start, and royally fucked it up.




By sxr7171 on 12/16/2010 11:13:02 AM , Rating: 1
I don't know why anyone would down rate you. What you say is true. I remember when Gates himself demonstrated XP tablet edition and One Note maybe 5 years ago. The whole thing was very exciting until the actual product showed up.

Well, honestly what's new? MS botching another product? Yeah right. They've botched everything they've made with the exception of the Xbox 360 and even that was botched in the beginning. They are a truly incompetent defacto monopoly. In 5 years I don't see any use for MS products in the consumer space beyond XBox and maybe Windows Phone. The Windows series of operating systems and even MS office will be only used by businesses. They can't do a damn thing right in my book. Recently they fucked the core out of WHS which was the one thing that stood half a chance of introducing a new concept to consumers. I stood by dealing with the bugs and data loss and bullshit. I'm slowly weaning myself off of shitty MS products.


By KoolAidMan1 on 12/18/2010 6:42:24 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I don't know why anyone would down rate you.


Because this website is infested with PC fanboys that hate on anything that didn't come out of Redmond. Its a bit ridiculous, the idea that to like one thing you have to hate the other thing.


By jhie on 12/16/2010 12:25:55 PM , Rating: 2
I was an avid MS Pocket PC/WinMo user from the early days to a couple of months ago. It was exciting, fast changing new territory at first (and yes, there were plenty of issues to suffer through). Once Palm was essentially gone, MS just sat on the product for three years. Then Apple handed them their hat. I wish MS well and very much like Win7, but the whole WinMo experience was an affront to the enthusiasts who supported it. All those WinMo apps, some of which were very powerful (such as Cash Organizer which I like better than desktop Quicken), are now abandoned orphans. I have an Android phone now and am looking forward to new tablets with full operating systems.

GS is only stating the obvious so their ruined reputation/credibility does not effect the points made.


By jhie on 12/16/2010 12:26:06 PM , Rating: 2
I was an avid MS Pocket PC/WinMo user from the early days to a couple of months ago. It was exciting, fast changing new territory at first (and yes, there were plenty of issues to suffer through). Once Palm was essentially gone, MS just sat on the product for three years. Then Apple handed them their hat. I wish MS well and very much like Win7, but the whole WinMo experience was an affront to the enthusiasts who supported it. All those WinMo apps, some of which were very powerful (such as Cash Organizer which I like better than desktop Quicken), are now abandoned orphans. I have an Android phone now and am looking forward to new tablets with full operating systems.

GS is only stating the obvious so their ruined reputation/credibility does not effect the points made.


Because...
By LordSojar on 12/16/2010 10:44:07 AM , Rating: 5
Clearly we should trust what Goldman Sachs has to say about anything in the economy or business sectors, seeing how trustworthy they are, and how they've never lied about anything, thus manipulating the market directly for their own personal gains at the expense of everyone else in the world...

Excuse me, need to turn off my sarcasm generator, be right back.

Let me guess, next we will be hearing from Goldman Sachs that the Verizon iPhone 4 is coming out in January too, and it will have LTE and be only $99!

Guess I hit the wrong switch...




I wouldn't worry about Microsoft
By bigboxes on 12/16/2010 2:54:04 PM , Rating: 2
It's not who arrives at the party first. It's who is the last one to leave.




Apple stealth iMarketing
By jerem43 on 12/16/2010 3:26:01 PM , Rating: 2
MS needs to loose the "Windows 7 is what everything will be based on..." mentality. From what I have seen the slick UI of WinPhone 7 would be ideally suited to a tablet PC.

Their marketing needs to change too. Anyone besides me notice that all the major shows now have their characters using iDevices now? CSI, NCIS all have idevices as part of their line up now. I haven't seen any other devices in a while. That is where these guys need to expand their marketing as well.




i dont want no wintab
By OBLAMA2009 on 12/16/2010 5:20:56 PM , Rating: 2
i dont think anybody wants a sluggish windows 7 tablet, i know i dont. if ms wants to be a tablet maker they need to come up with something else




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