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Gmail expected to overtake Hotmail in seven months

Google has been offering its Gmail web-based email service for quite a few years now. The service has proven to be very popular with users and has grabbed a significant portion of the market despite the fact that Gmail only recently graduated from beta status.

InformationWeek reports that Gmail has passed AOL to become the third most popular email service online. According to ComScore Gmail grew its monthly visitors in the U.S. from 25.3 million in July 2008 to 36.9 million in July 2009.

The growth rate for the Gmail service from July 2008 to July 2009 has increased dramatically as well with the Google service growing at 46% this year compared to 39% in 2008. AOL on the other hand has seen its monthly visitors decline in the same period from 45.1 million in July 2008 to 36.4 million in July 2009.

If Gmail continues to grow at its current rate, it is expected to pass Windows Live Hotmail in about seven months. Hotmail currently has 47.1 million visitors and is basically stagnant at this time. Between September 2007 and September 2008, the service lost 4% of its total visitors and between July 2008 and July 2009, the service grew a modest 3%.

InformationWeek points out that when Windows 7 launches there could be an increased adoption of Hotmail which would prevent or delay Gmail from overtaking it for second place overall. The top free email service online is Yahoo Mail with 106.1 million visitors last month and a growth rate of about 11% in 2008 and 22% between July 2008 and July 2009.



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Yay.
By Motoman on 8/18/2009 11:20:58 AM , Rating: 2
I'd be willing to bet that the majority of Gmail users are spammers and bots. They don't appear to have any control whatsoever over who/what gets an email address from them.

I run a forum...and over the past few years, virtually 100% of the spammers/bots I had registering and posting on the forum did so with Gmail addresses.

Out of frustration I finally just had to block all Gmail accounts. Problem solved. Would be nice if Google would have done something from their end. I don't have any idea what controls Google has in place when opening an account...but if they have anything at all, it doesn't appear to be effective in any way at all.




RE: Yay.
By stubeck on 8/18/2009 11:35:31 AM , Rating: 2
But Google's motto is not to be evil, of course they can't be doing anything bad!

/sarcasm


RE: Yay.
By MrBlastman on 8/18/2009 11:42:19 AM , Rating: 1
I thought it was:

Innocent, but all knowing.

Ironically, you can't expect someone to be all knowing and not consider even for a second an evil act that they could perform due to their knowledge. For that matter, if you are all knowing you are no longer naive or "innocent" either.


RE: Yay.
By invidious on 8/18/2009 3:06:54 PM , Rating: 2
You dont need to explain to us how clever you are trying to be when you make an ironic comment.


RE: Yay.
By Trisagion on 8/18/2009 11:42:01 AM , Rating: 2
I don't think it's automated. Gmail uses the same "type the characters you see" system as any other mail provider for creating accounts. I seriously doubt a bot can break that.


RE: Yay.
By Mitch101 on 8/18/2009 11:45:52 AM , Rating: 2
More advanced ones can which is why you see a lot of question based options for creating accounts or making posts.

Like
What is 1+3 equal?
Are you a bot?
Type in this Color?


RE: Yay.
By nafhan on 8/18/2009 12:56:04 PM , Rating: 2
There are also groups that use people to break captcha. Normally, they work in one of two ways:
1. They pay people in a poor country extremely small amounts to sit there and break captchas all day long. These operations would be similar to gold farming or Nigerian scamers.
2. A content provider (usually erotic or illegal) gives access to the content catalogue in exchange for breaking one or more captchas.
This is obviously much more expensive then a fully automated method, but also virtually impossible to defend against as the a captcha has to be readable by a human or it's useless.


RE: Yay.
By Mitch101 on 8/18/2009 1:13:36 PM , Rating: 2
Yup unfortunately I had to enable the manual approval process on my Real Estate site.

Its more work but a lot less than the cleanup or damage they create.


RE: Yay.
By Motoman on 8/18/2009 11:49:13 AM , Rating: 1
Actually, lots of bots can defeat basic CAPTCHA systems. My own forums have a basic one where you have to type in a CAPTCHA text-from-image...and they get past that. I'm not sophisitaced enough to have anything more than that in and of myself, so I just deal with the bots that get through.

It just so happens that after banning all Gmail accounts, the incident of spammers/bots getting into my forum dropped probably by about 99%.


RE: Yay.
By theapparition on 8/18/2009 12:00:22 PM , Rating: 5
The most clever one I saw was a stipper program, no joke.

People ran this little app with a stripping girl. To get her to take more off, you had to type in the CAPTCHA. Each time she took off a piece of clothing, than danced, etc.

What people didn't know......was that the CAPTCHAs that they were translating were used by botnets taking that image and funneling it through thier stripper program. Some idiot who wanted to see more skin, typed the response and the bot use that to automate creation of accounts.

Pretty clever if you ask me. I could see something similar being use to avoid more advanced systems.


RE: Yay.
By Trisagion on 8/18/2009 12:21:42 PM , Rating: 2
You're absolutely right. I didn't know this:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/10/web_mail_t...


RE: Yay.
By Motoman on 8/18/2009 12:36:04 PM , Rating: 2
Yup, that's exactly what I was talking about.


RE: Yay.
By omnicronx on 8/18/2009 12:41:33 PM , Rating: 4
Why don't you just block *.com too while you are at it, as if blocking an entire domain that is used by millions upon millions of people is an actual solution. Seems like your forum needs better verification to register in the first place.

So many people have gmail accounts, and considering it was an invite only program up until a few years ago I would think that a vast amount of accounts are real. Spoofing emails is not that hard either (and is a common practice among spammers these days), so using either gmail or hotmail is a smart idea for spammers as the are less likely to get blocked by spam filters.


RE: Yay.
By Motoman on 8/18/2009 2:28:10 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, a better verification process would be swell. As noted above, I personally am not sophisticated enough to do anything other that use the basic CAPTCHA that comes with the forum software that I use.

Blocking the whole domain is not a good solution. However, it is the only solution available to me that would allow me to preserve my sanity...and keep kiddie porn links off of my forums.

You have to understand that essentially ALL spammers and bots are using Gmail addresses. From my own experience, literally less than 1% are using anything else. And they can't be spoofing them, because they have to respond to a confirmation email that my forum sends them.

They are categorically using Gmail accounts...and frankly, Google is just irritating webmasters the world over with their uncontrolled support of spammers and bots. The "good" solution would be for Google to tighten up it's registration process - take care of the problem at the source.


RE: Yay.
By dark matter on 8/18/09, Rating: 0
RE: Yay.
By Motoman on 8/18/2009 7:40:12 PM , Rating: 1
...precisely which of his points do you think I missed?

As for why you're not getting spammed by Gmail bots, well, either you're very lucky - or very uninteresting.


RE: Yay.
By mattclary on 8/18/2009 1:45:53 PM , Rating: 2
Last time I registered a gmail address (about a month ago?), they actually wanted a FREAKING cell phone number to text you an authorization code!

My AT&T number never got said text, but my customer was on a different carrier and it came through.


RE: Yay.
By invidious on 8/18/2009 2:55:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'd be willing to bet that the majority of Gmail users are spammers and bots.
I'll take that bet.


Windows 7
By Mitch101 on 8/18/2009 11:39:23 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
InformationWeek points out that when Windows 7 launches there could be an increased adoption of Hotmail which would prevent or delay Gmail from overtaking it for second place overall.

In Windows 7 there is an option to download a hotmail connector for outlook. Buddy of mine is using it and it puts your hotmail into a folder like a PST would. Its a welcome addition.

Got a Blackberry?
Windows Live Hotmail for BlackBerry Smartphones
http://www.blackberry.com/select/live/




RE: Windows 7
By Hieyeck on 8/18/2009 1:12:37 PM , Rating: 1
Including the viruses attached to those emails. There's a reason people moved to webmail.


RE: Windows 7
By Mitch101 on 8/18/2009 1:24:36 PM , Rating: 5
Little test for you.

Email From Someone you dont know but hey you know someone named Bob.
Subject Hey mon check eet out!
Message body contains multiple mis-spelled words in broken bad english.
Attachment ImAnIdiot.jpg.exe

If you clicked on such an item the problem is not your e-mail its you.

Outlook would have blocked this or warned you, your AV software should have caught it and quarantined or deleted it, and technically Webmail is susceptible to this even more. In addition there were multiple signs not to open the attachment.


RE: Windows 7
By croc on 8/18/2009 9:52:22 PM , Rating: 3
Gmail typically puts it into the spam folder. If you do try to open it, it warns you that it may not be safe. In my case, my AV also warns if opening an attachment might be harmful, and further, if I ignore it and it does have some malware, it gets quarantined / deleted.

Gmail's spam filter is pretty accurate, and their attempts at warning users are usually pretty much spot on. Hotmail, now, has 'seen the light' and started protecting their users better, but in the beginning they were pitiful.


RE: Windows 7
By Etsp on 8/19/2009 11:26:56 AM , Rating: 3
Gmail doesn't let you send anything .exe

Unless it's in a .rar file. If it's in a zip file, gmail will look at the filenames listed inside the zip, and prevent you from sending it if the zip file contains an exe.

When I was in college, doing my software development capstone, it was a real annoyance to share latest builds with the rest of my team....


RE: Windows 7
By omnicronx on 8/18/2009 1:32:41 PM , Rating: 2
How do you figure? All the emails still pass through the same filtering as would be on webmail and any new version of outlook (2003+) specifically does not let you open certain types of files and blocks pictures by default. If anything its double protection, your webmail filtering is the first line of defense, and then outlook filtering and rules is your second. Not to mention client side antivirus software that will check your emails which is far more effective than the quick pass your webmail performs.

Webmail on the otherhand does check for viruses, but should one pass through their check, there is no system that stops you from opening certain file types.


RE: Windows 7
By Hieyeck on 8/18/2009 2:11:55 PM , Rating: 2
I figure the entire message is downloaded and stored on your computer already, attachments and all - Honestly, it's been a while since I've used such a client, and they could be vastly changed since and they only get headers.

And let's be honest here - how many people actually pay attention to those warnings?

If you leave it on the webmail, the virus never once touches your drive. At least that's what I prefer.


RE: Windows 7
By ggordonliddy on 8/18/2009 11:00:36 PM , Rating: 2
You actually use webmail as your primary method? Ha!!! Please go back to huffing your paint thinner now.


RE: Windows 7
By aKarma on 8/18/2009 5:25:21 PM , Rating: 2
You can do this with Thunderbird + Webmail plugin too in other versions of windows. It has a few limitations but works fine.

Also, to those with security concerns - wtf
I mean seriously, who the hell is stupid enough to click on enlargemypen!s.exe ...


3rd place?
By zinfamous on 8/18/2009 11:13:11 PM , Rating: 2
...people still use AOL?

wtf.




RE: 3rd place?
By MamiyaOtaru on 8/19/2009 1:43:24 AM , Rating: 2
my parents :( They don't use AOL as their ISP, but have some tiny amount per month plan to continue using the email address they have had forever. They think switching to another would be too much of a pain for them, and if they think that who am I to argue?


By Nekrik on 8/18/2009 1:56:29 PM , Rating: 2
tried this and it worked, pretty funny work-around.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/11/gmail_and_...




Gmail interface is awful
By cjc1103 on 8/20/2009 9:36:28 AM , Rating: 2
I don't know why everyone loves Gmail so much, the interface is awful. I have a Gmail account as a secondary email. I don't use it that much, but everytime I compose or reply to an email or try to do something, I have to hunt for the right button. Not to mention the tag system of classifing emails. If you forget to tag an email, then it gets lost in your inbox. Sure there's search, but come on I need folders. This product is awful, who dreamed this garbage up? Even Comcast's new web email is better.




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By Loren Lo on 8/25/2009 5:17:51 AM , Rating: 2
Google is a huge monster, he can eat up everything he met.

I prefer yahoo mail and hotmail. This tool is useful.

http://www.111download.com/product/webmail-assista...

WebMail Assistant integrates directly with the leading web-based emails systems, Yahoo Mail and Hotmail. It improves performance and adds features like an offline address book, the ability to save messages to your computer, and mail merge.




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