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Protestors on the streets of Frankfurt.

Artists, like these firedancers in Berlin, contributed heavily to the rallies.  (Source: Working Group photo wiki)
Concerned over privacy incursions, citizens strike back

Fed up Germans took to the streets last Saturday (English), speaking out against the German government’s data retention policies at protests and rallies in over 30 different cities, including Berlin, Frankfurt, Munich, and Hamburg.

The protest, the first in 2008 in a growing series of “Freedom Not Fear” rallies, reflects a rising pro-privacy and anti-surveillance sentiment stretching across Europe as citizens realize the extent of government monitoring in their personal lives. The rallies’ organizer, Stoppt Die Vorratsdatenspeicherung (German Working Group on Data Retention), says it is specifically targeting recent German legislation, passed January 2008, that allows government officials to store and recall detailed information on all phone and e-mail conversations for a period of six months.

Germany’s Telecoms Data Retention Act is the manifestation of a larger European Union directive dating back to 2006, which forced member countries to enact data retention legislation laws in order to enhance crime-fighting and terrorism investigations. The directive has met heavy resistance thus far, writes the Electronic Frontier Foundation, and rights groups in Ireland and Germany are slowing the process further with a handful of constitutional challenges against the directive’s many forms. Digital Rights Ireland’s challenge is set to be heard today, and the Working Group says it has another challenge pending.

While attendance figures are currently unknown, a similar rally taking place last September drew in over 25,000 people. Current reports indicate that over 2,500 showed up for the rally in Munich alone, and the Working Group said it has plans to “expand across Europe” for “an even larger protest on September 20th of this year.”

“Until 2007, telecommunications providers were permitted to retain only data required for billing purposes,” reads a Working Group summary, which goes on to point out that retention policies place heavy financial strains on businesses, violate basic privacy rights, and disrupts professional activities that rely on discretion, such as those in the fields of medicine, law, or journalism.

Curiously, German government officials are investigating private companies’ storage and use of private data. Criminal investigations are currently underway against the actions of Deutsche Telekom, for example, which recently rocked the country last month after the company admitted to spying on prominent company executives and journalists in order to root out leaks.



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It's policies like these...
By amanojaku on 6/5/2008 9:18:30 AM , Rating: 2
That make me wonder if we should have stayed in our caves. Technology was supposed to make our lives better, not have us running in fear of our own governments. And it's still yet to be proved that this type of spying protects us. Now I wonder if I should bother starting a business. I don't want to enable these policies, and the financial burden is ridiculous.




RE: It's policies like these...
By Polynikes on 6/5/2008 9:44:21 AM , Rating: 5
It is ridiculous. I'm glad the Europeans are finally waking up to this and fighting it.


RE: It's policies like these...
By Drexial on 6/5/2008 9:52:31 AM , Rating: 5
Europeans are fighting it... The US just kinda rolled over and let it happen. We have read articles about black boxes in rooms at telecommunications locations and that was the end of it.


RE: It's policies like these...
By FITCamaro on 6/5/08, Rating: -1
RE: It's policies like these...
By Drexial on 6/5/2008 10:03:57 AM , Rating: 2
And what exactly is suspicious content?

And have you programed them/worked on them/even seen a photograph of one? The only person that knows what they do and monitor are the people in the dark room somewhere monitoring them for big brother.


RE: It's policies like these...
By FITCamaro on 6/5/08, Rating: -1
RE: It's policies like these...
By Drexial on 6/5/2008 11:52:58 AM , Rating: 5
read my response to straycat74 below. Has nothing to do with what they are doing now. but what they have the power to do later.

and there is still due process for pedophiles... not as much for political dissenters (they are really easy to label along with bastard terrorists)


RE: It's policies like these...
By straycat74 on 6/5/08, Rating: -1
RE: It's policies like these...
By Drexial on 6/5/2008 1:30:46 PM , Rating: 2
congrats on quoting other people that are completely unrelated to me in any way in an effort to make me look crazy.

You are probably one of the same people that thought they would never be tracking our conversations online... but they are now. Just because you kiss this administrations ass doesn't mean the rest of us do. Most people like the idea that the people of the nation have more freedoms then the companies they labor under.

And by the way. don't even pretend that every president hasn't has some crazy speech about how they are a vessel through which god works.

George W said he even talked to god and that god told him what he should do.


RE: It's policies like these...
By amanojaku on 6/5/2008 1:44:51 PM , Rating: 2
Bush was just doing what he was told. Clearly, God was WRONG. </sarcasm>

quote:
Statements that Iraq had a partnership with al Qaeda were wrong and unsupported by intelligence, the report said.

It said that Bush's and Cheney's assertions that Saddam was prepared to arm terrorist groups with weapons of mass destruction for attacks on the United States contradicted available intelligence.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/iraq_usa_intelligence_d...


RE: It's policies like these...
By NeoConned08 on 6/5/2008 10:58:57 AM , Rating: 2
Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. We have NO idea what the government is or is not storing which is why they shouldn't have been allowed to do it in the first place. I don't care how you slice it or try to reason around it. It's to protect us against terrorists? Please. Provisions of the Patriot Act are what were used to take down Eliot Spitzer, a political rival.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

This right isn't something that is negotiable. It's not a right the government GIVES us. It's something that the government was put in place to PROTECT. We get this right to privacy because we are born, not because the government provides it to us. Therefore, they don't have any legitimate power to take it away.


RE: It's policies like these...
By FITCamaro on 6/5/08, Rating: -1
RE: It's policies like these...
By Gul Westfale on 6/5/2008 8:30:17 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Actually it is the government that gives us that right.


yes, in a dictatorship. in a democracy, the government is supposed to serve the people, not the other way around.


RE: It's policies like these...
By Ringold on 6/5/2008 9:52:18 PM , Rating: 2
Government exists, or should exist, at the whim of the people. The people do not exist or live at the whim of the government. To steep it in religious terminology, since any other way eludes me at the moment, the rights of the people originate with god, and the rights of the government originate with the permission of the people.

This is why the constitution, if followed as intended, limits the power of government with almost every word. I think it's also why we have the 2nd Amendment. I think it was Franklin who said our democracy would be proven strong if we had an armed rebellion every few years that keeps the government safe.

And in the 1860s, 600,000 died fighting over the limits of federal power. Guess who lost.


By NeoConned08 on 6/6/2008 12:06:34 PM , Rating: 1
You are sorely deluded in what the role of government is. It is people with your mindset that are going to allow for the slow erosion of our liberties until it winds down into a tyrannical state. Democracy isn't a lasting form of government. It's a weight station from one form of government to another, typically, fascism/communism/insert other bad stuff here. That is why the Founding Fathers gave us a Republic....if we could keep it. Because the masses here are uneducated and think the government gives them rights they allow them to be taken away. That's not how it works bub. Government is of, by, and for the people and THEIR rights. That's how it is SUPPOSED to be. We are seeing a radical shift in that, and it isn't just Bush. It's been going on for multiple decades and it probably will not stop because we have a bunch of noobs that think ever expanding government is something good. It's not. That's why we are in the crap we are in right now. We aren't China or Nazi Germany.....yet. But keep having legislation like the Patriot Act, which has been wielded to take down political rivals, and HR1955, which goes hand in hand with labeling politcal dissenters as terrorists, and we have some really bad stuff coming down the pipe.


RE: It's policies like these...
By Reclaimer77 on 6/5/2008 5:40:42 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. We have NO idea what the government is or is not storing which is why they shouldn't have been allowed to do it in the first place. I don't care how you slice it or try to reason around it. It's to protect us against terrorists? Please. Provisions of the Patriot Act are what were used to take down Eliot Spitzer, a political rival.


Why do people always talk about the Patriot Act in this context ? The biggest part of the Patriot Act involves reversing the complete screw up Bill Clinton enacted that prevented the FBI and CIA and other government agencies from sharing data to protect this country. If the big evil Patriot Act was in place before , 911 never would have happened. Chew on that for a while.

No liberties have been violated by the Patriot Act to this day. The Democrats have " independently investigated " it several times. Not only were they unable to prove it violates rights, they could not even bring forth a SINGLE legitimate complaint by anyone who had been " violated ".

And how quickly we forget ! The Patriot Act already HAS foiled attempts of terrorism. And thats just the ones we know about.

quote:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


Normally I would agree. But the Constitution was never meant to be a suicide pact. We have liberty now and more security then ever as well. Whats the problem ?

This is NOT the European Union. I think we have achieved a very nice balance given the current situation. But it sounds like you want to bury your head in the sand and pretend there is no situation. Weren't we doing that in the years leading up to 911 ? USS Cole bombed ? Oh theres no terrorist problem ! First World Trade Center bombing ? Bah, just a few radicals not terrorists !

quote:
This right isn't something that is negotiable. It's not a right the government GIVES us. It's something that the government was put in place to PROTECT. We get this right to privacy because we are born, not because the government provides it to us. Therefore, they don't have any legitimate power to take it away.


Again, show me that we have lost these rights. How ? Our rights only extend as far as the law allows. I can't run a meth lab in my house can I ? I mean, its private so I should be able to right ?

I' a die hard Conservative and I agree with objections to the Patriot Act on principle. Key word, PRINCIPLE. But its been poked and proded and investigated and I'm simply forced at this point to agree its good legislation. It was ASSANINE to block our law enforcement and intelligence departments from working together. There is NO WAY we should go back to that.

Also its shameful that your preying on the ignorance of others to push your anti-Bush anti-Patriot Act viewpoint. You know damn well monitoring and privacy " violations " have been going on since Bill Clinton. And it NEVER made the news.

Does the word ECHELON ring a bell ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
http://www.cybercitycafe.com/explore/echelon.html


RE: It's policies like these...
By FITCamaro on 6/5/2008 6:59:44 PM , Rating: 2
Well said.