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Push-email is likely gone from the iCloud for at least a year

It is a small thing.  But as Apple, Inc. (AAPL) well knows, it is the little things that sell a product.

I. Bye Bye Bye

Apple had proudly unveiled the iCloud in mid-2011.  The service offers photo streaming, documents "in the cloud", automated backups, and push email/calendar/contacts.  Well, for Germany, Europe's third largest tablet and smartphone market, the good times are over, as the push email functionality is officially banned.

After new Google Inc. (GOOGacquisition Motorola Mobility secured a preliminary injunction just weeks ago in German court, Apple failed to convince a judge to inflate the bond.  As a result, Motorola paid the bond to carry through with the ban.  Some sources are estimating that bond could have cost around €100M ($134.1M USD).

iCloud ban
The iCloud's core push-email is verboten in Germany. [Image Source: 9 to 5 Mac]

Left with little recourse, Apple was left doing the same thing it had forced Android phonemakers to do -- remove features.  To recap, Apple has already forced several Android phonemakers to remove the "bounce" animation from their smartphones, and degrade the quality of scrolling in their gallery.  Those concessions come after preliminary injunction losses in regions such as the Netherlands.  And in Germany Apple has even banned Motorola and Samsung Electronics Comp., Ltd. (KS:005930) from using unidirectional slide-to-unlock, forcing them to use a clunky spiral motion unlock screen.

Apple writes to its German fans the bad news:

Due to recent patent litigation by Motorola Mobility, iCloud and MobileMe users are currently unable to have iCloud and MobileMe email pushed to their iOS devices while located within the borders of Germany.

Affected customers will still receive iCloud and MobileMe email, but new messages will be downloaded to their devices when the Mail app is opened, or when their device periodically fetches new messages as configured in iOS Settings. Push email service on desktop computers, laptop computers, and the web is unaffected, as is service from other providers such as Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync.

Apple believes Motorola's patent is invalid and is appealing the decision.

Apple's calendar and contacts syncing will continue to function as normal in iCloud and MobileMe, despite the loss of push email.

II. Why Was the iCloud Feature Banned, and What Is Next?

The device maker faces an uphill struggle from here on out.  Like many of Apple's patents that it's litigated with, Motorola's push email patent may be invalid due to prior art or other issues (novelty, etc.).  

In the U.S., a lower federal courts judges can ban a product or service via preliminary injunction if they feel that:

a) The described product or service clearly violates the patent

b) There is not a "high likelihood" that a patent is invalid.

The German court system works slightly differently, but the end result is the same.  In Germany infringement proceeds along one track, while validity proceeds along a second, parallel track [source].  A judge can pause (stay) the infringement proceedings to wait for the conclusion of the validity, but only if there is a "high likelihood" of their validity.

Again, both systems rely on the premise of a "high likelihood" of invalidity, which is typically defined at somewhere around 70 to 80 percent.  Of course this is wholly subjective, meaning how one judge might rule could vary substantially from what another judge might rule.

For now Apple's iPads and iPhones have been crippled of a key feature, much as Apple has crippled its competitors. Apple's next soonest hope of killing the painful ruling comes when it pleads its case before the Düsseldorf Higher Regional Court, a German appeals court.  The appeals court has a lower standard of invalidity to grant a stay -- it can grant a stay if it feels that there's over a 50 percent chance of invalidity.

Angry iPhone owner
iPhone owners must live with the ban, likely for at least a year. [Image Source: Tech Axcess]

However, the issue for Apple is that the appeals court likely won't hear the case for at least a year -- ironically, a delay which may in part be lengthened due to all the appeals Apple has generated in its its own injunction wins over Android phonemakers.  And, of course, there's no guarantees that the appeals court will even see the patent as 50 percent or more likely to be invalid.

The Android v. Apple patent dispute is increasingly looking like   a stalemate of growing attrition.  Everyone is losing -- especially the customers -- as features disappear from both sides' products.  And there's little sign that the leadership on either side is willing to offer an end to the conflict.

Note 1:

The higher invalidity standard is in major contrast with other EU nations, such as the Netherlands and the United Kingdom.

Note 2:

The push-email patent used in this case is not a patent promised under the "fair, reasonable, and non-discriminatory" (FRAND) rules.  Thus, unlike some other recent rulings -- such as a German ban on online iPad/iPhone sales -- Motorola stands no risk of getting in trouble for FRAND abuse for its effort (as, again, the patent is not FRAND).

Note 3:

The patent involved in this ruling is 
EP (European Patent) 0847654 (B1).  The U.S. counterpart: U.S. Patent No. 5,754,119, which covers a "multiple pager status synchronization system and method".

Source: Apple



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Dear Apple, What goes around, comes around.
By zozzlhandler on 2/24/2012 11:53:37 AM , Rating: 5
The great foolishness of Apple's tactics now come home to roost. They have made many enemies, the most relentless of which is likely to be Samsung. There will be more cases like this, not all of them successful, but Apple has sowed the wind, and will reap the whirlwind.




By retrospooty on 2/24/2012 12:11:07 PM , Rating: 2
"Apple has sowed the wind, and will reap the whirlwind"

Awesome. Kharma will always win in the end. Hopefully Apple will stop with all the lawsuits and just make products. Obviously by the profits they are perfectly capable to compete without lawyers and frivolous unwinnable lawsuits over vague patents of semi-copied slightly altered tech.


RE: Dear Apple, What goes around, comes around.
By Tony Swash on 2/24/12, Rating: -1
RE: Dear Apple, What goes around, comes around.
By retrospooty on 2/24/2012 12:26:40 PM , Rating: 5
I love how your mind works.

Apple does it and its fine. Google uses Moto's patents and its an "attack dog"

Google is doing nothing but defending itself from Apple's relentless unwarranted, baseless attacks.


By nafhan on 2/24/2012 12:52:21 PM , Rating: 5
Duh, non-Apple patents should either be invalid or should rightfully be owned Apple - the fount of all innovation.


RE: Dear Apple, What goes around, comes around.
By sprockkets on 2/24/2012 1:09:08 PM , Rating: 2
"When we copy we justify it. When others copy we vilify it. Most of us have no problem with copying… as long as we’re the ones doing it."

http://www.everythingisaremix.info/


By retrospooty on 2/24/2012 1:22:16 PM , Rating: 2
"When we copy we justify it. When others copy we vilify"

LOL, yes, Apple new Mantra. I am sure there is a great hip-hop song in it as well.


RE: Dear Apple, What goes around, comes around.
By Tony Swash on 2/24/12, Rating: -1
By themaster08 on 2/24/2012 1:46:00 PM , Rating: 2
Not directly...


RE: Dear Apple, What goes around, comes around.
By retrospooty on 2/24/2012 1:48:13 PM , Rating: 3
OK, and "going thermonucear" on Android means what? So officially they are suing all of Androids largest customers. Same difference. War is war, and Apple started it, on flimsy pretense and you know it...

Just keep repeating... "When we copy we justify. When others copy we vilify"


RE: Dear Apple, What goes around, comes around.
By testerguy on 2/25/12, Rating: -1
RE: Dear Apple, What goes around, comes around.
By michael67 on 2/25/2012 9:56:24 AM , Rating: 2
Hey if someone come's along and start bulling(1) you, and then also punch you(2) in the face.

You do then?

1 turn the other cheek
2 hit them back

Most people if they can take option 2, and start fighting back.

(1) Apple is very disliked in the industry, by there use of strong arming suppliers, to always have first pick in parts.
(2) Most of Apples innovations comes from better combining other peoples tech and idea's, and clame them as there own, and now they attack anyone, for something that made them big in the first place


RE: Dear Apple, What goes around, comes around.
By testerguy on 2/27/12, Rating: 0
By Cheesew1z69 on 2/27/2012 10:27:51 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Apple certainly didn't 'start it'.
Apple certainly did start it...


RE: Dear Apple, What goes around, comes around.
By generosity9 on 2/24/2012 2:02:59 PM , Rating: 2
Google has not attacked Apple either. In fact, I can't think of a single instance where Google has sued for patent infringement, though there are plenty of cases of such infringement happening.


RE: Dear Apple, What goes around, comes around.
By Tony Swash on 2/24/12, Rating: -1
RE: Dear Apple, What goes around, comes around.
By harshbarj on 2/24/2012 11:53:58 PM , Rating: 2
SO apple suing Motorola is not an attack on Google BUT Motorola going after apple is somehow the same as Google going after apple? I just love your logic, or rather lack thereof.


By retrospooty on 2/25/2012 7:56:23 AM , Rating: 2
"SO apple suing Motorola is not an attack on Google BUT Motorola going after apple is somehow the same as Google going after apple? "

Exactly. Apple is "defending thier IP" by attacking Google and partners.... And Google is attacking Apple by defending themselves.

The double standard is hilarious at this point.


By ShaolinSoccer on 2/25/2012 2:55:09 AM , Rating: 2
Tony, why do you worship Apple so much? Are they paying you?


By spread on 2/26/2012 4:52:32 PM , Rating: 2
How dare you sir, he does it for free! He is repaid for his efforts in Apple(TM) gratitude. Redeemable everywhere for absolutely nothing.


By wiz220 on 2/24/2012 2:06:14 PM , Rating: 4
Except for that little thing where St. Jobs stated that he would spend every last penny destroying Android. Notice he didn't say "destroying HTC" or Samsung.


RE: Dear Apple, What goes around, comes around.
By testerguy on 2/25/12, Rating: -1
RE: Dear Apple, What goes around, comes around.
By retrospooty on 2/25/2012 8:01:33 AM , Rating: 2
Right, you voice no opinion either way, just happen to defend Apple vigorously regardless of the issue and that is your sole purpose here, because you dont post in any subject other than Apple.

Thanks for showing me what biased is. At least Tony has other things he comments on. You created your ID only to troll for Apple. This shows the emptiness of your sad life, so just move on. I'm not hearing ya.


By Cheesew1z69 on 2/26/2012 10:32:02 AM , Rating: 2
QFT! ;)


RE: Dear Apple, What goes around, comes around.
By testerguy on 2/27/12, Rating: 0
By Cheesew1z69 on 2/27/2012 10:13:01 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I haven't defended anyone
Keep telling yourself that....it doesn't make it any less true.

quote:
And as ever, of course, you completely failed to recognise or address your evidenced bias.
Neither do you...

quote:
Feel free to quote which comment of mine 'vigorously' defended Apple in this legal case, though
All of them....as I pointed out before...but you are to dumb to realize this...but it's ok, special people are people too...


By retrospooty on 2/27/2012 11:06:50 AM , Rating: 3
"Whether or not I post in other articles is irrelevant"

Actually it's totally relevant. It shows that you created your ID at AT/DT for the sole purpose to defend Apple. It shows your bias, it shows your agenda and it shows you cant be objective. For anyone to take time out of life for such a petty purpose shows alot in itself. You are a child, that's about all there is to say.


I love it when a plan comes together
By masamasa on 2/24/2012 4:31:46 PM , Rating: 2
Getting a taste of their own medicine now. What goes around comes around.




RE: I love it when a plan comes together
By adiposity on 2/24/2012 4:38:24 PM , Rating: 5
Don't kid yourself. This is bad for everyone, just as it's bad for everyone when Apple does it.

The fact that Apple may deserve this, karmically, doesn't fix anything. We just got lucky that they aren't a troll, and actually have products, which means they can be sued right back and will have to eventually make a deal.

But the fact that it can happen to anyone (including Apple) is bad, because there are patent holders out there who don't make anything. They can make things really ugly for Google and Apple, because they don't have to settle.

Celebrate the victory while it belongs to your side, but you will taste the ashes in your mouth when you realize it is the war that is the problem.


RE: I love it when a plan comes together
By TSS on 2/24/2012 6:55:49 PM , Rating: 2
Just thank the stars that companies aren't allowed to have their own private armies.

Can you imagine if they fought this out with guns instead of lawyers....


RE: I love it when a plan comes together
By Richlet on 2/24/2012 9:21:20 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Just thank the stars that companies aren't allowed to have their own private armies. Can you imagine if they fought this out with guns instead of lawyers....


Well that would be okay, because while Apple's troops would have the most fashionable weapons, they wouldn't be the most functional. (that's more a reference to a Mac than an iPlaid.


RE: I love it when a plan comes together
By retrospooty on 2/24/2012 9:30:55 PM , Rating: 2
"Well that would be okay, because while Apple's troops would have the most fashionable weapons, they wouldn't be the most functional. (that's more a reference to a Mac than an iPlaid."

That's not true. The Mac guns would be perfectly functional. They would just cost 2x as much and wouldnt be compatible with bullets.


RE: I love it when a plan comes together
By Tony Swash on 2/25/12, Rating: -1
By retrospooty on 2/25/2012 7:52:48 AM , Rating: 2
LOL... I am just ribbing ya Tony. I knew one, if not both of you would jump to the defense of your precious favorite company. How dare someone insult Apple, even it a totally unrelated way.


RE: I love it when a plan comes together
By testerguy on 2/25/12, Rating: -1
By troysavary on 2/25/2012 2:04:49 PM , Rating: 2
Only an Apple user would find the user interface on a rifle complicated.


By Solandri on 2/24/2012 11:23:31 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Can you imagine if they fought this out with guns instead of lawyers....

If it were the lawyers armed with guns who were doing the fighting, that might not be so bad...


Poor Germans
By bbcdude on 2/24/2012 11:54:42 AM , Rating: 3
At some point the people of Germany are gonna get fed up with the stupid courts wrecking all their shiny new toys. It is just ridiculous that the courts allowed apple to start this game and are now required to allow other companies to play the game too because they are too arogant to admit the first ban was silly. Pretty soon all the gadgets in germany wil have no features left.




RE: Poor Germans
By nafhan on 2/24/2012 12:58:51 PM , Rating: 2
Hopefully, it's not just the people of Germany that get sick of it, as this is happening other places, too.


RE: Poor Germans
By masamasa on 2/24/2012 4:33:29 PM , Rating: 2
I second that. Bring down the hammer!


By troysavary on 2/24/2012 7:29:16 PM , Rating: 2
I, for one, have no love for either company. Apple for their false advertising, and for taking what was already made, giving it a spit polish, and then claiming to have inventd it. Googl, for their complete lack of concern for privacy and ownrship of copyrights. If these two anti-consumer pits of douche-baggery manage to kill off each other in this pointless war, the world becomes a better place.




By theapparition on 2/27/2012 9:48:05 AM , Rating: 3
Yep,
Because clearly neither company has contributed products that have changed how many people do things.

While we're at it, let's bury MS and Intel. Life was much better when people didn't have personal computers or the internet.

And don't get me started on the railroad and steel industry. If it wasn't for them, we could all still be living in village huts. Ah, the memories.


Good for the lawyers!
By faster on 2/24/2012 11:16:09 PM , Rating: 3
I'm a lawyer and I have to say, this is great for my profession. The consumers lose, the companies lose, but boy do the lawyers on both sides make out like bandits.




Not a killer
By Shadowself on 2/24/2012 6:43:07 PM , Rating: 2
While this is a significant, if maybe temporary, legal win for Motorola/Google, I don't see it having significant impact on Apple or the iPhone or the iPad. This just kills notifications through iCloud (or that obsolete thing they called MobileMe) -- even if this were extrapolated to the whole planet.

I know several (well maybe a couple dozen or so) iPhone/iPad users. (You can't help but know a few with the number of them Apple has sold.) Absolutely no one I know uses notifications through iCloud. Everyone of them uses the notification systems through their carriers or through a third party or their work provided system. The handful I've talked to today have basically reacted with an "I don't care." If they lose iCloud notifications they won't even notice at all.

Yes, Apple is supposedly pushing iCloud, but most of the iPhone/iPad/Mac users I know are not buying into it. Bottom line: virtually no effect.




Idioten
By smilingcrow on 2/24/2012 7:00:31 PM , Rating: 2
Diz is unacceptable, ve vill fight them to ze death over zis.

What a shame for Apple.




Is that the pic of ...?
By CityZen on 2/24/2012 9:30:27 PM , Rating: 2
Soup Nazi FTW!!!!!




Hey Apple
By ShaolinSoccer on 2/25/2012 2:51:40 AM , Rating: 2
Thank you for brainwashing some of my friends and family into thinking you're the best. What's sad is when those people ask me how to do the stuff I do on my Android phone and I have to tell them "Sorry, you bought an Apple product and they will only allow you to do so much." Not to mention they limit you and charge you an outrageous price for it... FU Apple ,,|,, eat some Karma!

(I know Apple will never read this so don't bother telling me about it lol)




Huge legal win for Apple today
By Tony Swash on 2/27/2012 11:06:24 AM , Rating: 2
Huge legal win for Apple today, looks like the end of FRAND abuse, one can only hope.

Quote

quote:
Motorola was hoping to gain near-term leverage against Apple and Microsoft through the aggressive pursuit of injunctive relief based on standard-essential patents. Google, which was totally in agreement with MMI's litigation strategy, was hoping to buy that leverage for $12.5 billion, and Germany was a key part of that plan because its legal system places a relatively high burden on implementers of standards invoking the FRAND defense. In fact, Google's public statement on the post-acquisition use of MMI's patents proposed the German approach to FRAND as the way forward for the whole world.

With today's ruling, Googlorola's strategy has failed even before the companies have formally merged. This is such a major blow to Google's patent strategy that, from a mere shareholder value point of view, it should now give serious consideration to the possibility of coughing up the $2.5 billion break-up fee agreed upon with MMI's board of directors and walk out on this deal. After all, that $2.5 billion payment would be an affordable subsidy for the only totally Google-aligned company among the major handset makers. But in all likelihood, Google will nevertheless try to close the deal, if only to avoid a colossal embarrassment for its CEO and other decision-makers.


http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2012/02/motorola-c...




LOL
By testerguy on 2/24/12, Rating: -1
RE: LOL
By generosity9 on 2/24/2012 2:01:36 PM , Rating: 5
Here's the problem. It was Apple (the CEO) who stated that they were going thermonuclear war on Android. It was Apple who initiated lawsuits around the world with about half a dozen global companies. It was Apple who villainized its competitors, using language that doesn't even apply to patent law, like 'stealing our inventions'. Infringement is not stealing. How is the author obligated to be 'impartial' to who is clearly the antagonizer? You can go read AppleInsider or CultofApple if you want the Apple-biased story.


RE: LOL
By Cheesew1z69 on 2/24/2012 2:21:41 PM , Rating: 1
You will not be able to rationalize with this one, the Apple force is strong with him.


RE: LOL
By retrospooty on 2/24/2012 3:56:59 PM , Rating: 2
"It was Apple (the CEO) who stated that they were going thermonuclear war on Android. It was Apple who initiated lawsuits around the world with about half a dozen global companies. It was Apple who villainized its competitors, using language that doesn't even apply to patent law, like 'stealing our inventions'. Infringement is not stealing. How is the author obligated to be 'impartial' to who is clearly the antagonizer?"

Exactly... So tired of the hypocritical asinine attitude coming from Apple. "You cant copy what we copied. We invented that" ... Just make product dammit, get out of the courtroom and invent something.


RE: LOL
By testerguy on 2/25/12, Rating: 0
RE: LOL
By retrospooty on 2/27/2012 11:12:49 AM , Rating: 2
If you werent so narrow, you might see that it isnt OK. But Apple started it.

If I am against violence, and you punch someone in the face for no good reason, and then they punch you back, I will speak out against you. I don't agree that punching you back was a good course of action, but that fact is you startyed it and you deserve it. That is all this is about.

If I am incorrect and Apple didnt start all of this legal non-sense and Google, Samsung, HTC or Moto did, then I I would very much like to see links showing proof. It all must be available, legal cases have dates. If that is the case I will humbly apologize.


RE: LOL
By Tony Swash on 2/27/2012 1:23:52 PM , Rating: 2
I can't say I have a tremendous background in the history of mobile related legal actions but this site (which is an anti-software patent site by the way)

http://en.swpat.org/wiki/List_of_lawsuits

seems to show that the first post iPhone legal action was when Nokia sued Apple in October 2009.

Apple filed suit against HTC Corporation, in March 2010 in the USA.

In early October 2010, Motorola started the legal con flict with Apple when it accused Apple of infringing 18 patents and filed suit in the USA in Northern Illinois and Southern Florida federal district courts.

On the 30th October, Apple filed a counter-suit in the USA,initially listing 12 patents allegedly infringed, and later amending the suit to list 24 patents.

So the pattern seems to be Nokia sued first and sued Apple, Apple sued HTC first, Motorola sued Apple first and Apple sued Samsung first.

I think the idea that the whole patent war over mobile was started by Apple is simplistic.

Personally I think the mobile patent war is peaking and will decline over the next few years. It probably won't change much but I think Apple stands a good chance of achieving their strategic legal aim which is to deter copying of their designs or OS features.

The legal wars won't much affect the market situation - Apple will continue to make the most profits and make the best selling handset and will continue to grow strongly. Samsung will continue to be the only serious competitor to Apple and one of the few Android licensees who actually make any money from Android. I will be surprised if WP7 gets any traction in the market but stranger things have happened.


RE: LOL
By retrospooty on 2/27/2012 2:40:36 PM , Rating: 2
"Personally I think the mobile patent war is peaking and will decline over the next few years"

I agree, it likely will end. Highly doubtful that Apple will win, but I agree it will end. In the end it will accomplish nothing.

Anyhow, as far as Nokia. I don't know, they haven't been in any conversation going on here as they aren't an Android maker. And as far as Apple Android lawsuits, It still looks like Apple is copying far more than being copied and suing far more than being sued. Good luck with that.

Agreed that Apple will continue to be strong, wealthy and have massive sales. Good. They deserve it based on theri products, NOT on their lawsuits.


RE: LOL
By Tony Swash on 2/24/12, Rating: -1
RE: LOL
By sprockkets on 2/24/2012 6:55:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
As quoted by a third party after he was dead and he was dying and in a great deal of pain when he was supposed to have said it. I don't know about you but just stubbing my toe has caused me to say things I wouldn't have otherwise said.


So we went to the real story of SJ giving an interview about what happened btw him and the ex CEO of google that day years ago to he said that on his deathbed? Good one.

I'm sure having an axe to grind had nothing to do with Google voice being kicked out of the app store for no reason whatsoever.

quote:
The strategy will probably work and Microsoft's efforts with WP7 shows it's possible to build competent alternative mobile platforms without copying Apple so there is life after copying.


Bull Sht. WP7 infringes on at least 6 major new patents of apple, like the multi-touch ones, the multi-touch gestures, the slide to unlock patent and others. Apple won't sue MS because 1% market share isn't worth spending money over. What? Prior agreements? No proof of such for their new multi-touch patents.

quote:
Meanwhile I have to say this made me chuckle - there are some areas where Android has a huge lead over iOS and which demonstrates the true advantage of being 'open'


Meanwhile, I had a "chuckle" of more apps getting through apple's "vetting" and ignoring their polices of address book privacy. That's 4 major failures to do its job now, with the first one outing the ipad before release due to an app that phoned home device info.


RE: LOL
By testerguy on 2/25/12, Rating: 0
RE: LOL
By sprockkets on 2/25/2012 9:08:37 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Honestly, I don't know why you guys go on such tangents. What was or wasn't said by any CEO is of no relevance whatsoever to the legal merit of their court cases.


No it isn't. But since we didn't say it was, nice strawman.

quote:
It wasn't just Google's VOIP app which was banned. There were several, from different companies. 'Having an axe to grind' is therefore clearly not the reason.


Other than the fact that there was no official explanation given except "We haven't banned Google Voice, we are studying it", after already approving it months earlier. What a coincidence, it happened right as soon as SJ came back to work.

quote:
Sounds like Apple is in for a big pay day, then? That is, if Windows phones ever increase to become even a minor player in this industry. Of course, Apple isn't innovative so I don't know how they came up with Multi-touch on the original iPhone.


They didn't, but the stupid USPTO granted them the patents anyhow. Guess what? I just learned yesterday that the iphone wasn't the first phone with multi-touch gestures either.

quote:
While this is worded so poorly to render it almost completely unreadable to most people, I sense that there is some attempt at a veiled insult to the fact that Apple actually has standards which must be followed in its app store, the very thing leading many industry experts, and people such as Charlie Miller to define iOS as far more secure than Android?


Yep, apple has app guidelines and rules, and apps get in all the time that violate them. What are those morons doing when they rubber stamp that approval on apps anyhow. (sic)


RE: LOL
By testerguy on 2/27/12, Rating: 0
RE: LOL
By testerguy on 2/25/12, Rating: 0
RE: LOL
By Peter898 on 2/25/2012 10:02:00 AM , Rating: 2
And lets not forget :
It was apple who stole Xerox's teevee-set before Bill managed to steal it !!


RE: LOL
By ilt24 on 2/27/2012 8:27:39 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
And lets not forget : It was apple who stole Xerox's teevee-set before Bill managed to steal it !!


What you seem to have forgotten or never knew is that Xerox and Apple made a deal, where Apple got use of what they were shown at Xerox PARC and Xerox was able to buy Apple Stock Pre IPO.

The sleazy thing Apple did years later and Xerox to them court over was filing for patents on some of the GUI stuff from Xerox.


RE: LOL
By sprockkets on 2/24/2012 2:37:55 PM , Rating: 3
He did that yesterday, dumbass appletard.


RE: LOL
By testerguy on 2/25/12, Rating: 0
By retrospooty on 2/25/2012 8:09:12 AM , Rating: 3
"Why do you think Steve Jobs mentioned "going nuclear" on Android? He was obviously angry. "

I don't want to speak ill of the dead so I will start with a good comment. Steve was brilliant and a fantastic businessman. He definitely changed the industry for the better and we all benefit from that, whether we buy Apple products or not the world is a better place for him.

As far as why he declared tm war on Google... The man was also start raving mad. He had a major Napoleon complex. Narcissistic to the highest possible extent. It wasnt exactly veiled either. He had a tiny e-penis and overcompensating for it.


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