Sources: Düsseldorf Higher Regional Court [translated], ITO [translated], dpa [translated]
quote: Oh please. Look, its this guy again, defending Apple, no matter what.
quote: Other than that one case, Apple is unanimously losing everything else that goes to court. The few that they won other than that were overturned by a higher court as in Australia. So based on your beleive in hte legal systems of the world, you must agree that Apple is quite off base... Unless you are aware of cases they won that I am not aware of. I don't think they have won anything at all outside of Germany and that was only to force Samsung to rework the design.
quote: Because Apple's lawsuits are rediculous and vague. They didn't invent the touchscreen, or multitouch, or rectangles, or the color black for that matter.
quote: Why do you think they are losing? Lack of money to buy the best lawyers? hell no, they have the best of the best there and umpteen billions to spare. They are losing because they have no case.
quote: What's wrong with defending American values against thieves? HUH? :))) Nice try, Androidtroll!
quote: UM Apple won cases in Australia, Germany, Netherlands, the U.S. and other places too. Im looking forward to the day all this junk is banned. Then even you will have to swallow your pride and use the devices of the company that invented smartphones and tablets.
quote: Apple invented the tablet. Try to deny that all you want, I'm not going to listen to you. I've convinced my parents and friends to quite the world of windows and get macs and they're never happier. Just bought my dad an iPad, its great. Now if I had bought him one of these junk clones, he'd be pretty upset. Apple is the real deel, thre rest are just imitators
quote: No they are losing because the Asians are paying off the judges. Can YOU say bribe. Samsung is bribing them.
quote: utterly obvious
quote: Apple invented the tablet.
quote: of the company that invented smartphones and tablets.
quote: Apple invented the tablet. Try to deny that all you want, I'm not going to listen to you.
quote: Im looking forward to the day all this junk is banned. Then even you will have to swallow your pride and use the devices of the company that invented smartphones and tablets.
quote: We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas.
quote: Good Artists Copy, Great Artists Steal
quote: Look, its this guy again, defending Apple, no matter what.
quote: Other than that one case, Apple is unanimously losing everything else that goes to court. The few that they won other than that were overturned by a higher court as in Australia. So based on your beleive in hte legal systems of the world, you must agree that Apple is quite off base...
quote: Because Apple's lawsuits are rediculous and vague. They didn't invent the touchscreen, or multitouch, or rectangles, or the color black for that matter. Why do you think they are losing? Lack of money to buy the best lawyers? hell no, they have the best of the best there and umpteen billions to spare. They are losing because they have no case.
quote: On average, Apple users are more educated than Android users
quote: Serious love that quote :) quote: On average, Apple users are more educated than Android users Don't get upset because i'm not blinded by the Apple crap that your so heavy invested in. Your displaying all the ridiculious symptoms of hypercondriac.
quote: It's pathetic that Apple is using the legal system to delay/prevent the competion based on highly dubious claims.
quote: You can cry as long and as loud as you like but face facts cry baby.. Apple lost the cases.. so suck it up fanboy
quote: I would bet that it isn't that Apple users on are average more educated that Android users. It's that on average Apple phones/tablets are less affordable to uneducated users
quote: They go for Android devices instead, thereby dragging down Android users' average educational level.
quote: He's committing three statistical mistakes. (1) He's trying to imply a causal relationship from a correlation.
quote: (2) He's blithely ignoring other socioeconomic factors like income.
quote: (3) Rather than measuring the breakdown of the entire population, he's measuring a subset of the population and trying to use it to draw conclusions about the entire population.
quote: - Say the entire population is 100 people. - Say there are 99 Android users ranging from high school to doctorate-level education. - Say 9 of those users have doctorates. - Say there is 1 iOS user with a doctorate-level education.
quote: You have to survey people of the same educational level and see whether they prefer iOS or Android. When you do that, you see that 9 out of 10 people holding doctorates prefer Android.
quote: Given that Android sales exceed iOS sales by a healthy margin globally, I suspect a larger percentage of people across all educational levels are choosing Android over iOS.
quote: Judge for yourself whether you think the iPad, iPad design patent, and Galaxy Tab (original) are that much like each other. Do the facts support Germany's ban?
quote: Most people who would see you using that Galaxy tab on a bus or in a library somewhere - without seeing that Samsung logo
quote: weather that's grounds for a lawsuit is a whole other story.
quote: What's stopping Samsung from making yellow, red, and blue colored Galaxy Tabs?
quote: Asus has been able to make very distinct tablets, not just in style but also function. But Samsung insists in keeping theirs looking as close as they can get away with being to Apple's design...you have to wonder why.
quote: True, but Apple own upwards of around 75 percent of tablet sales. When people see a smartphone they don't automatically assume it's an iPhone, but when they see a tablet, they indeed WILL often think it's an iPad.
quote: To give a counterexample, most people I know when they see a CPU think Intel made it... even if its an AMD chip. Should AMD be banned from making chips?
quote: What difference would that make? Their device is already black on the back, where Apple's is silver... clearly Apple will sue no matter what color it is.
quote: If you can't tell the difference between an Apple tablet and an Android tablet, should you be spending $500 on a tablet?
quote: And how exactly do you think Asus's tablets are so radically different, when their peripheral keyboard is detached?
quote: Ridiculous argument.
quote: The Samsung lawyer couldn't even tell them apart, despite knowing that one was not an iPad. The confusion isn't because they are both tablets and iPad is far superior so has achieved far higher sales. The confusion is because Samsungs design so blatantly tried to duplicate the iPad. The pathetic little minor differences which your article points out are not even close to changing the fact that the overall appearance is not even distinguishable by a Samsung lawyer.
quote: This isn't a counter example, it's a ludicrous claim. Apple and Samsung distinguish themselves on their DESIGNS, making products which attempt to look good. Processors do not, at all, since they are pretty much NEVER on display - so this argument is completely ridiculous.
quote: It's different because it looks different. You know, not being a complete rip off, right down to the packaging,... Maybe Asus lawyers could actually tell it apart? Shocking I know...
quote: plugs, connections?
quote: I guess that rules out the Samsung lawyers then? And please, it's not about not being able to tell the difference, that isn't enough.
quote: I can rip off a BMW down to every last detail, and then write 'JASON MICK IS BIASED' all over it - it's easy to tell which is which but it's still a blatant rip off.
quote: What's even more shocking is how you're so desperate to defend such blatant copying (in the eyes of the law, too) - when it's the customer who suffers when companies don't add any of their own designs into a product. Samsung trying to ban Apple devices by refusing them FRAND patents is just about as low as any manufacturer could go on the moral meter - yet it gets nothing but a passing mention from you.
quote: Honestly - nobody can take you seriously because you are dripping bias, and it discredits this whole site.
quote: Do those really look that different? Functionality dictates form. Repeat it.
quote: In your mind what would a sufficiently"different" tablet look like?
quote: Again with tablets people have no point of comparison... that is my point.
quote: in this case you're offering up a non sequitir, in that the "similarity" is perceived due to Apple's dominant position.
quote: What exactly about the packaging of the keyboardless tablet is so different??
quote: Obvious troll is obvious. ASUS Transformer Prime: Bluetooth 2.1 micro HDMI Wi-Fi 802.11b/g/n Docking port Galaxy Tab 10.1: Bluetooth 2.1 HDMI Wi-Fi 802.11b/g/n Wow... looks really different. Glad an expert has set the record straight.
quote: The overall design differences between any two touch-screen devices of a given size are minimal. The most striking visual element is the touchscreen itself. Apple does not make or design its own touch screens -- it buys them from LG. The rest is just putting a plastic/metal wrapper around the internals.
quote: You clearly are poorly informed. The incident you are referring to occurred when a Samsung tablet was held up over 10 feet from a Samsung lawyer... I would have trouble tell most laptops apart from that distance... It was just a meaningless court antic a la "if the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit!" Your insistence clinging to it is quite sad.
quote: quote: I can rip off a BMW down to every last detail, and then write 'JASON MICK IS BIASED' all over it - it's easy to tell which is which but it's still a blatant rip off. Nice, oddly random obtuse personal attack. I give you points for trying your best to avoid discussing the facts at hand.
quote: If you actually had read and understood the numerous pieces I have written on this topic, I think it's pretty clear that I point out that Samsung's lawsuits are also quite disruptive to the market.
quote: You clearly are a big expert on bias, no? But I suppose I have no right to write a public analysis. I had no idea you had passed a law prohibiting my free speech and freedom of the press... I'll know better next time, surely. Pass the koolaid, while you're at it, I'm kinda thirsty from all this typing.
quote: The smart car is meant for personal conveyance usually in crowded city driving. The Audi, while it can drive in the city, is made mostly for conveying a family around longer distances, yes they both can do each
quote: What's even more shocking is how you're so desperate to
quote: It's different because it looks different. You know, not being a complete rip off
quote: LOL tester you are the WORST troll. I actually rather read Tony's posts. At least he still tries and hasn't devolved into angry ranting.
quote: Samsung didn't "redesign" anything. They made completely superficial changes that nobody in their right mind would care about but Apple and these morons in Germany. A tablets "styling" is a result of function and internal components, not design.
quote: Some idiot the other day, probably you, accused everyone of copying Apple by "making things thinner"
quote: Really? I'm amazed you hammer Samsung so hard while saying this about Asus. They're quite similar in almost every aspect.
quote: It's the same black bezel with rounded corners and a screen in the middle. The thickness from the screen edge to the bezel even looks the same. The only difference is the aspect ratio is different, JUST like the Samsung, and there's no bottom center button. Cause, you know, that's such a crucial component and all about style. Not at all because it's the most logical place to PUT that button /sarcasm. Now please tell me how exactly is this radically different than Samsung's approach? By Appletard logic, Asus ripped off Apple as well.
quote: Again these tablet designs are a result of components and function, not styling. People don't make thick round form factors for tablets because there's no REASON to.
quote: What's stopping Samsung from making yellow, red, and blue colored Galaxy Tabs?
quote: that's something author of this article fails to understand but quite a lot of people do get it.