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Nvidia's G94 Graphics Processor  (Source: PCOnline.com.cn)

The 9600GT uncovered  (Source: PCOnline.com.cn)
NVIDIA's upcoming 9600GT graphics card lives up to the company's performance claims

Earlier this month DailyTech reported details of the next generation of GPUs from NVIDIA -- specifically the mid-range GPU codenamed D9x. Recently, the GeForce 9600GT was spotted in the open and Chinese review site PC Online was able to put the new reference card to the test to see what it's made of.

As far as the technical specifications are concerned, little has changed from our report earlier this month. The 9600GT will come factory configured with a core clock speed of 650 MHz, a unified shader clock speed of 1625 MHz, and an 1800 MHz memory clock.

From the photographs it looks like 512MB of GDDR3 1000 MHz memory is connected to the GPU by way of a 256-bit bus with a memory bandwidth of 57.6 GB/s. The G94 chip will also offer 64 unified stream processors; double the number on the 8600GT and half the number on the 8800 series.

The photographs show a smaller GPU die size than the G92 chips but slightly larger than the G84 die.

Additional details of the 9600GT include PCIe 2.0 and support for the Quantum Effects physics processing engine.

PC Online was able to measure the performance of the 9600GT and the results confirmed NVIDIA's claims of a 100% performance increase over the 8600 series for the most part. The 9600GT reached an overall score of 10813 while the 8600GTS and 8800GS had scores of 6251 and 10391, respectively.

Additionally, the 9600GT scored higher than the 8800GTS in many of the tests including 3DMark06 and games such as Crysis, BioShock, and Unreal Tournament 3. The 9600GT came up just a little short behind the 8800GS in only a few games such as Need for Speed: ProStreet and Colin McRae Rally (coincidentally, both being auto-racing titles).

Testing of the 9600GT was performed using Beta drivers so we may see additional performance squeezed out of this card and variants from NVIDIA's partners upon official release of a final product and drivers.



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close...but
By Jeffree on 1/19/2008 2:18:23 PM , Rating: 3
double the performance would not be a 200% increase, it would be a 100% increase. Other than that, good stuff. Looking forward to seeing 9800 series soon.




RE: close...but
By Jeffree on 1/19/2008 2:23:23 PM , Rating: 1
Also, how can it outperform the 8800GTS but then turn around and lose to a 8800GS?? That doesn't make sense...Perhaps the '8800GTS' was supposed to read '8800GS'.


RE: close...but
By Spuke on 1/19/2008 2:24:43 PM , Rating: 2
Umm....I didn't see the 8800GTS in those benchmarks. Is there another website with those comparisons?


RE: close...but
By pattycake0147 on 1/19/08, Rating: 0
RE: close...but
By amanojaku on 1/19/2008 2:29:04 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The 9600GT reached an overall score of 10813 while the 8600GTS and 8800GS had scores of 6251 and 10391, respectively.


RE: close...but
By SirLucius on 1/19/2008 2:42:05 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Additionally, the 9600GT scored higher than the 8800 GTS in many of the tests...


RE: close...but
By Spuke on 1/19/2008 3:03:33 PM , Rating: 2
I know what the article said but in link to the actual benchmarks there is NO 8800GTS mentioned.


RE: close...but
By ZoZo on 1/19/2008 5:20:30 PM , Rating: 2
What they meant was 8600 GTS instead of 8800 GTS. Even the G80 8800 GTS would beat that 9600 GT easily.


RE: close...but
By Spuke on 1/19/2008 7:31:16 PM , Rating: 2
Thanks, it does say 8600GTS. I don't know where they got 8800GTS from. I'll guess I'll be waiting for the official benchmarks.


RE: close...but
By ImSpartacus on 1/19/2008 2:52:24 PM , Rating: 2
There is no 8800 GS (at least at this time). It's most likely a typo, albeit an unlucky one.


RE: close...but
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 1/19/2008 2:54:40 PM , Rating: 2
There was to be an 8800 GS. It's just the G80 die. I doubt it will ever see the light of day though.


RE: close...but
By toyota on 1/20/2008 2:24:38 PM , Rating: 1
sometimes I wonder if you guys even keep up with what is going on at all. there is an 8800gs. its g92 based and 192bit memory. are you guys really that much out of the loop?


RE: close...but
By Cygni on 1/20/2008 7:34:23 PM , Rating: 2
Wow, you are pretty testy for someone who is yourself wrong.

The name '8800 GS' was recycled. It was originally intended to be a G80 part, launched along side the 8800 Ultra, that would slot in slightly above the 8600. But Nvidia and its partners decided that it didnt have a place in the market and it never made its way to a release. The name has now been reused for a lightly crippled G92 part.


RE: close...but
By toyota on 1/20/08, Rating: 0
RE: close...but
By homerdog on 1/20/2008 8:11:35 PM , Rating: 2
I thought so too, but I can't find one for sale.


RE: close...but
By formulav8 on 1/21/2008 12:07:57 AM , Rating: 2
I believe the 8800GS is currently a OEM part.

Jason


RE: close...but
By PlasmaBomb on 1/21/2008 1:17:49 PM , Rating: 2
Correct -

GeForce 8800GS 384MiB - The card is basically a 192-bit G92 with only 12 ROPs, and it will be primarily aimed at OEMs. There are claims board manufacturers are also planning to sell it in retail for $149-179.


RE: close...but
By Cygni on 1/21/2008 7:27:27 PM , Rating: 1
No, you are not correct. You were attempting to prove Kristopher wrong. But he isnt. The 8800 GS was originally a G80 part. The name was recycled when there wasnt enough partner interest. The fact that some partners have reused the 8800 GS name for a low volume part only being shipped to Europe currently doesnt erase the previous 8800 GS.

In effect, you both have half the puzzle.

Also, in the future, try not to be such a self righteous douche.


RE: close...but
By toyota on 1/21/2008 7:56:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
No, you are not correct. You were attempting to prove Kristopher wrong. But he isnt. The 8800 GS was originally a G80 part. The name was recycled when there wasnt enough partner interest. The fact that some partners have reused the 8800 GS name for a low volume part only being shipped to Europe currently doesnt erase the previous 8800 GS.
and what are you being besides an asshole? Kristopher seems to be clueless that there is even an 8800gs based on the g92. i dont care what the 8800gs was "going to be" in the past because the fact remains that it IS a g92 based part NOW. that g92 based 8800gs was the one that was used in that comparison so end of story.


RE: close...but
By kmmatney on 1/22/2008 2:33:08 PM , Rating: 2
Who cares...you can't really buy the part anyways.


RE: close...but
By feraltoad on 1/21/2008 2:19:47 AM , Rating: 2
Looks like the sun is coming out. Poor ATi :( Just when the HD38xx seem to be working for them.

http://www.hardwarezone.com/news/view.php?id=9692&...

http://www.legitreviews.com/news/4284/

Sweet Jebus, how many G80 cores do they have laying around? I expect to see 8800 keychains and cuff links soon.


RE: close...but
By faiakes on 1/19/2008 2:38:38 PM , Rating: 2
Most likely it means the G80 GTS (320MB or even 640MB)


RE: close...but
By Jedi2155 on 1/19/2008 6:23:02 PM , Rating: 2
Most likely. My completely stock system of a E6600 + 8800 GTS 640 MB + 680i scored about 10,155, less than that of the 9600 GT.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=209802...


RE: close...but
By MrDiSante on 1/19/08, Rating: 0
RE: close...but
By InternetGeek on 1/19/2008 4:03:17 PM , Rating: 5
Next thing MS will release a new Leopard, and IBM their new Core 2.


RE: close...but
By Moose1309 on 1/19/2008 5:05:52 PM , Rating: 2
LOL!! I know, whenever I read "nVidia 9800 GT" I get two seconds of cognitive dissonance.

So, what's the verdict: 8800 GT/S or wait for 9600 GT? In percentage points, how much faster would these cards be than a X1950 XT?


RE: close...but
By Alpha4 on 1/20/2008 2:08:06 PM , Rating: 4
The verdict is buy a Radeon HD 3850 and put it all behind you ;)


RE: close...but
By Zensphere on 1/20/08, Rating: -1
RE: close...but
By Mojo the Monkey on 1/21/2008 1:37:54 PM , Rating: 1
no, saying 100% performance increase is correct when used this way. While not "mathematically correct" as a multiplication value, its commonly used this way as an arithmetic measure.

Example: you can say something is 50% better, and that is still correct terminology when making reference to a value that has gone from 1 to 1.5 Yes, by ratio you would say %150, but we're not talking about a multiplication factor.


WTF is an 8800gs?
By Noya on 1/19/2008 2:33:37 PM , Rating: 2
Looking at the actual Chinese website, the 8800gs has a 192-bit memory interface and 384 or 768mb of RAM? Is this a new product or an overseas only?




RE: WTF is an 8800gs?
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 1/19/2008 2:42:09 PM , Rating: 4
It's the old G80 die that a few sites mentioned would ship if NVIDIA tried to dump G80 inventory before G92 was supplanted by D9E.

It turns out, G80 and G92 continued to sell simultaneously. NVIDIA did a good job of making G92 -- in theory a better chip than G80 -- sell at a tier below G80.


RE: WTF is an 8800gs?
By ImSpartacus on 1/19/2008 2:56:11 PM , Rating: 2
So the 8800 GS exists or it is a speculated route for nVidia to go with old G80's?


By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 1/19/2008 2:57:29 PM , Rating: 2
You can get engineering samples here and there. It's sort of "on deck with the possibility of never getting to bat"


RE: WTF is an 8800gs?
By laok on 1/19/2008 3:00:27 PM , Rating: 4
based on my understanding of the original Chinese website, and some searching, 8800GS is a strip-down version of 8800GT (95 SP, 192bit memory), which is released in Jan 2008.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php...


RE: WTF is an 8800gs?
By toyota on 1/21/2008 3:26:59 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
It's the old G80 die that a few sites mentioned would ship if NVIDIA tried to dump G80 inventory before G92 was supplanted by D9E.
sorry but you are wrong. its no secret that the current 8800gs is g92 based. this card has been talked about and even reviewed for the last couple weeks. you should know this info shouldnt you?


RE: WTF is an 8800gs?
By toyota on 1/21/2008 5:20:10 AM , Rating: 3
the 8800gs is listed on some manufacturers sites already. XFX for example has it on their European site. http://www.xfxforce.com/web/product/listConfigurat...


Toyota
By arkkane on 1/22/2008 12:16:04 AM , Rating: 3
I wish we could Ban losers like toyota from posting on this site. His attitude is the reason I very rarely even read comments any more.




RE: Toyota
By toyota on 1/22/08, Rating: -1
RE: Toyota
By kmmatney on 1/22/2008 2:36:43 PM , Rating: 3
yeah, Toyota is a tool


Any speculation on MSRP??
By bpt8056 on 1/19/2008 3:38:01 PM , Rating: 2
I'm guessing that it would fit in the $150-$175 price range, but does anyone have info on how much the MSRP is gonna be for the 9600GT? If I guessed right, then this mid-range card is gonna be a an "out of the park" homerun! *fingers crossed*




RE: Any speculation on MSRP??
By mindless1 on 1/20/2008 1:16:15 PM , Rating: 2
I'm having a hard time figuring on a MSRP, because $175 is quite close to lower end 8800GT but $150 seems too low as the card appears physically more expensive to produce than 8600GT or 7600GT which did have equivalent MSRP.

I think the normalized price will be around $130 AR in a few months but it depends a lot on a PCB shrink and where 8800GT falls after it's more available and 9800 series displaces it.

I do hope they manage to shrink the PCB some, one of the good sides of compromising on a 7600/8600GT was the shorter length of the card. Some are looking to get the most performance in the available space and power/noise budget rather than a purpose built gaming system. It's a pity that many of the 7600/8600GT weren't particularly quiet even though power consumption was fairly low.


Must be talking about G80 GTS
By sgtdisturbed47 on 1/19/2008 9:28:27 PM , Rating: 1
They must be talking about the 9600GT beating the G80 GTS, like the 320 or 640 because my new eVGA 8800GTS 512 (G92) beats the GTX that I used to have. I didn't have a crappy GTX either, it got 2nd place overclock rank at Overclock.net with 688/2200 stable on air.

That being said, with my new eVGA 8800GTS 512 (G92) beating the GTX that I had, they must be comparing the 9600GT to the GTS 320 or 640 because there's no way that it beats the GTS 512.




RE: Must be talking about G80 GTS
By Shark Tek on 1/20/2008 2:26:46 AM , Rating: 2
Guys there is no G80 GTS on those tests. Must be a typo of the editor. It must say 8600GTS

The 8800GS(G92) is a stripped down 8800GT. Read carefully in the specs.
It has PCIE 2.0, 192bit memory interface, 65nm die size. Those specs are from a different card than the G80 GTS.


Now if only the had good names...
By Zurtex on 1/19/2008 10:10:46 PM , Rating: 3
They might have been able to convert the hardcore ATi fans. I know fans of a particular graphics card get very used to a naming convention, from experience of these sort of people in real life.

nVidia aren't going to be able to sway an ATi fan if the phrase: "the 9600GT scored higher than the 8800GTS in many of the tests"

Is a highly ambitious statement. Do they mean one of the G80's 8800GTS 320MB or 8800GTS 640MB or the 8800GTS SSC, or one of the G92's 8800GTS 512MB? Or the originally planned G92's 8800GTS 1024MB? Which never seemed to appear but given this site has an 8800GS which even nVidia fanboys have never heard of then whose to say they don't have one of those...

And that's without going in to the complications of D8 and D9, which honestly I still haven't worked out yet (mainly which tier the individual letters after D9 represent in terms of actual real market audience i.e budget, mid-end, high-end).




Before we read too far into the numbers...
By 9nails on 1/20/2008 12:43:18 PM , Rating: 1
I'd like to point out that Nvidia has a history of releasing a card well ahead of the drivers. Typically the card hits the market 3 months ahead of the tuned drivers. When those drivers surface Nvidia cards tend to have a 20% improvement.




By bfellow on 1/21/2008 2:00:15 PM , Rating: 2
This is the same thing as ATI cards. Just like the 2900XT took a couple of months for drivers to mature b/c it look like a dead weight on release vs. 8800 GTS's without good drivers.

The 3850/3870 has the same issue though the fan BIOS have issues right now which needs to be looked at in future 3800s


Time for an upgrade
By Plasmoid on 1/20/2008 10:27:49 AM , Rating: 2
I think i will upgrade my Mum's Pc from an Agp 9500 Pro to this 9600gt.

I guess i'll notice 5-10fps improvement right...

/enddrunkrambling

They better not take the Lord die God 9800's name in vain. Nothing short of a 6800 like card will do from nvidia... and this better be a new 6600gt in terms of value.




Idiot naming
By Belard on 1/21/2008 5:16:10 AM , Rating: 2
All these 8800 cards are confusing... well, *I* know the difference between the 3 8800GTS cards, etc... But its stupid. Now we have a 9000 series?

Simple... they should have gone from 8800 > 8900 series. And the 8600 > 8700.

The new 8800gts would have made more sense as the 8900GT. (since its faster than all other 8800 cards, but on par with the ultra, almost) And the new 9x00 cards could be 8900GTX and 8900GX2.

The 8800 and up series of cards have respect... and now Nvidia is running out of numbers.

I guess we'll have a new name besides GeForce after the 9000 series? ;) As long as they aren't FX cards!




Where is the 8800GT?
By mattclary on 1/21/2008 11:16:06 AM , Rating: 2
It would have made a LOT of sense to bench against one of the new 8800GTs vs. an 8800GS or GTS.




ATI sucks now, Nvidia is way better
By Serafina on 1/21/08, Rating: -1
RE: ATI sucks now, Nvidia is way better
By bassjunkie on 1/21/2008 7:00:18 AM , Rating: 2
Grow up..

ATI might be stuggling but they are far from crap they are good overclocker cards and price performance is great.. yeh yeh yeh ati fanboy wtf every.. i own an 8800GTX but i like the new Amd cards, so please try not to be so one side minded.. if ati do go down you will be paying way more for your shiny Geforce 9800 than you would do otherwise.


By mindless1 on 1/21/2008 11:43:21 PM , Rating: 2
Why did you bother to reply? Attention is what trolling is all about. Duh?


RE: ATI sucks now, Nvidia is way better
By Pcfan535 on 1/21/08, Rating: -1
By chance1138 on 1/21/2008 5:43:00 PM , Rating: 1
Nice rebuttal.

*end sarcasm*


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