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Gates talks of a January '07 launch for Microsoft's next geneation operating system

Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates is speaking out on Windows Vista. Vista has been stricken by numerous delays and feature reductions over the years, but if Gates has his way, we'll be seeing Vista on store shelves in January of 2007.

According to Gates, there's an 80% chance that Vista will be ready in time for January although he does say that the launch could slip slightly if problems arise. "We got to get this absolutely right. If the feedback from the beta tests shows it is not ready for prime time, I'd be glad to delay it," said Gates at a presentation in Cape Town, South Africa. The Chicago Tribune reports:

He said Microsoft was investing $8 billion to $9 billion in developing Vista and the company's next version of Office, its key cash-generator. He said the company's software partners, in developing and adapting their own products for the two launches, would invest 20 times as much as Microsoft. Gates said he hoped the next version of Office would be ready in December.

It was announced just last month that Microsoft Office would be delayed again as well. That office suite was originally planned to launch in time for the holiday, but was later pushed back to launch with Vista in January 2007 and then pushed back again to a more cloudy “early 2007” launch.





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Yawn - another software upgrade...
By jskirwin on 7/11/2006 4:45:17 PM , Rating: 2
Since I've been using MS software for close to 20 years, I stopped getting excited about upgrades 11 years ago, and stopped dreading them 5 years ago.

So I'll buy a machine with bloated software that brings powerful hardware to its knees sometime in the future.

Like I haven't done that before.

OS software is boring. All current software is boring. I'm bored with this incremental cr@p.

Gimme something that makes me care about high tech again.




RE: Yawn - another software upgrade...
By Pirks on 7/11/2006 5:02:46 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Gimme something that makes me care about high tech again
There are operating systems out there not from Microsoft - now, since I opened this new great truth for you - go get 'em! :-)


RE: Yawn - another software upgrade...
By retrospooty on 7/11/2006 5:31:08 PM , Rating: 2
Sure there are other options besides MS, but the man said " Gimme something that makes me care about high tech again"

What do the varios Linux's or OSX or anything else have to offer that is exciting?

Stability, compatiblity, ease of use, great features? None of them are all that great, and the past 5 years hasnt seen much progress.


RE: Yawn - another software upgrade...
By Pirks on 7/11/2006 6:26:46 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Stability, compatiblity, ease of use, great features?
All of this! Take Mac OS X for example - 1) stable 2) compatible with all Mac OS X and Classic apps plus all the Windows apps (except DirectX accelerated 3D games) if you instal Parallels VM 3) very easy to use - open the box, plug it in and start working - no antivirus setup, nothing like that Win crap 4) absolutely great features - Expose, Dashboard, Spotlight, and nice'n'smooth OpenGL accelerated GUI rendering that Vista is only going to introduce next year - think about it, all yoru prayers answered - go buy a Mac now! :-)


RE: Yawn - another software upgrade...
By Nekrik on 7/11/2006 7:12:31 PM , Rating: 2
you gotta throw the stability angle out if you're going to include parallels or bootcamp.


RE: Yawn - another software upgrade...
By Pirks on 7/11/2006 8:46:35 PM , Rating: 1
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you gotta throw the stability angle out if you're going to include parallels
any proof/links/references/anything to support your claim parallels is a system crash in a box?

until I see anything besides your opinion - it'll stay just this - your particular opinion.

at least arstechnica's reviewer had no system crashes with it at all - now gimme something contrary please :)


RE: Yawn - another software upgrade...
By Nekrik on 7/12/2006 2:16:45 AM , Rating: 2
Several people have reported corruption problems of their OSX partitions after running bootcamp, degradation over time, not that they deleted the partition during the install.

For stability of parallels go search their beta boards, they had numerous reports (and yeah, they did fix many of the ones I saw reported). If you wantto try reproducing a panic yourself try running a couple of 16 bit apps on XP, I had pretty regular success with that on clean installs of both the app and OSX. If you want to lock it up completely try pushing the memory limits of the mac, while they're better with the latest release this is still an easy crash to cause.


RE: Yawn - another software upgrade...
By Pirks on 7/12/2006 2:01:47 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Several people have reported corruption problems of their OSX partitions after running bootcamp, degradation over time
Degradation over time? It's pretty hard to believe Windows XP was writing some evil trash or virus on OS X partition - unless these guys installed some freaky HFS+ access app in Windows which crapped a lot on HFS+ partition - I saw this with Linux NTFS driver - some writes on NTFS and you can go to your recover PC and work on it with chkdsk and stuff - Linux screwed it up pretty good. Which means maybe those degradation over time issues wouldn't have appeared had the users not installed the HFS+ access software in XP?

Paralells crashing when there are 16-bit apps and no memory? Okay, I'll take that. So if you tend to overload your memory you can easily restore system stability by adding some RAM (which is a spit in Apple's face, I admit that, it's quite moronic and is a shame for a modern fancy Unix-like-blah-blah OS) and for 16-bit apps - hmm, that's a tough argument - I stopped using any of that sh1t a long time ago, so I don't know what to say... maybe these guys should consider to upgrade a little and go from DOS to something more reasonable? Yeah, so it definitely sucks - if you wanna use some museum stuff - but looks like stability won't be a problem for majority of users since they don't use DOS apps and stuff like that - so looks like in real life Parallels is not likely to harm your OS X session in any way - you have to do real weird things like running DOS in there... which kind of soothes me :)


By Nekrik on 7/13/2006 2:05:57 AM , Rating: 2
While attempting to avoid any long winded rants people tend to run with on the boards here I was mentioning the 16-bit apps as it's an easy way to illustrate the problems parallels have when executing in real mode, which many modern operating systems rely on during system boot, and more apps than many people think rely on. The comment on memory was pointing out the poor paging and VMM built in OSX, it's nothing new, and really kinda sad they have not adressed the issue, they do as you mentioned, tell everyone they need more RAM. As people start to run a secondary OS, and lock down 512MBs for XP, users are suddenly using more RAM than they did last week and find thewmselves in a bad situation.

The drive corruption, while usually discounted as user errors in many forums, has been seen by many as reported here:

http://news.com.com/2061-10793_3-6059694.html?part...

the problem is, they install bootcamp, boot XP, boot OSX a few times, boot XP (and repeat this process a few times), and then cannot return to OSX and find their OSX volume shot, thus I made the comment I did as it is how most people are discounting the problem.


By Pirks on 7/11/2006 8:59:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
you gotta throw the stability angle out if you're going to include [...] bootcamp.
woah! so bootcamp will make OS X less stable? cool - I wanna try that weed too, good stuff you're smoking there ;))


By rushfan2006 on 7/11/2006 12:34:33 PM , Rating: 5
Do to a bug in the latest "calc" app in the upcoming Windows Vista , Gates re-does his calculations using his kids $1.99 mickey mouse calculator....

"Apparently there was a decimal error in my previous calculations....there is a .80% chance that Vista will release in January 2007...my apologies".

;)




By Exodus220 on 7/11/2006 12:35:26 PM , Rating: 2
Haha, good laugh.


By desiplaya4life on 7/11/2006 6:12:22 PM , Rating: 2
hahahaaa


By dilz on 7/12/2006 2:35:37 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
decimal error in my previous calculations


Sounds familiar...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_FDIV_bug



Wishful thinking
By segagenesis on 7/11/2006 12:32:38 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
"We got to get this absolutely right. If the feedback from the beta tests shows it is not ready for prime time, I'd be glad to delay it,"


Take aaaalllllllllll the time you need there. I'm in no hurry to move from XP.




RE: Wishful thinking
By lco45 on 7/11/2006 3:46:00 PM , Rating: 3
Yeah, and with bigtime corporate products now coming available on Linux, eg Lotus Notes http://www-142.ibm.com/software/sw-lotus/products/... companies can be excused from making XP the last OS they ever had to pay for...


RE: Wishful thinking
By Zirconium on 7/12/2006 12:49:19 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, companies *want* to pay for their software. Well, maybe not companies, but managers do. That way, if something goes wrong, they have someone to blame.


RE: Wishful thinking
By GhandiInstinct on 7/12/06, Rating: 0
But is it worth the $$
By AxemanFU on 7/11/2006 2:35:46 PM , Rating: 2
I think the question on everyone's mind that works for a living and pays their own way is if it gives us anything we need or really want that XP cannot. So far, it looks like I'll be using XP for a lot longer before I pay for a copy of Vista. And yes, many of us actually buy our software :)




RE: But is it worth the $$
By stncttr908 on 7/11/2006 3:06:09 PM , Rating: 2
I hope you don't want to play any Vista only games that are coming next year.


RE: But is it worth the $$
By Razor Crusade on 7/11/2006 3:29:27 PM , Rating: 2
Definitely worth paying for new, crappy software just so that you can run even newer and crappier software in the future.


RE: But is it worth the $$
By Pirks on 7/11/2006 5:00:58 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Definitely worth paying for new, crappy software just so that you can run even newer and crappier software in the future
Argh those sneaky Apple bastards, they even want your yet ANOTHER $129 for their new trendy hip Leopard - what a sneaky greedy creeps they are, eh? :))) $129 for a new piece of newer crappier Apple OS - does it kill you? Painfully? Do you scream loud or maybe jump and grind your teeth, or hiss? :))


Office Beta
By Exodus220 on 7/11/2006 12:34:53 PM , Rating: 2
I have been using the new Office Beta and I like it but I must admit that it is more confusing to me than the older Office 03 or 2000 that I have been using for so long. I am currently using OpenOffice because it is far simpler and more reliable than MSOffice Beta...but I would love to have the finished version without the bugs. I need to make labels for wedding invitations but I cannot figure out how to do that with OpenOffice. Does anyone have any recommendations for me?

Oh, and I can't see myself running out and buying Vista and/or Office 07 because that would set me back too much money. Perhaps I will try using the school copy when they get their upgrade...whenever that might be.




RE: Office Beta
By KenGoding on 7/11/2006 12:51:15 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe not too easy to just import I love the free Avery Design Pro for that kind of stuff.


RE: Office Beta
By TomZ on 7/11/2006 12:53:12 PM , Rating: 2
I'm also using Office 2007 Beta, and I like it a lot. The organization of commands in the new version is much better than previous versions and better than OOo. But you have to learn where things are, since the menus are now all different than previous versions.


Can we place bets?
By df96817 on 7/11/2006 8:00:42 PM , Rating: 2
I'll put my money on the 20% chance of not making it by 2007.




RE: Can we place bets?
By QueBert on 7/11/2006 10:13:44 PM , Rating: 2
haha wow, you just said not only will Vista not make a Jan 2007 launch like Billy is predicting, but it won't come out in 2007 at all? damn! I know it'll see some delays but not 2008 level delays. And when it gets closer to Jan and it's farther from being where it needs to be to see the light of day. No worries, Billy will just scrap more features.


RE: Can we place bets?
By captchaos2 on 7/11/2006 11:18:41 PM , Rating: 2
Seriously, I'd put $100 on vista shipping by late summer of 2007!


DDR availability
By PrinceGaz on 7/12/2006 7:11:06 AM , Rating: 2
I just hope I can get another pair of 1GB DDR modules when I decide to give Vista SP1 a try, as I can't help suspecting my current 2GB will be less than optimal when seriously multi-tasking. I say Vista SP1 because as with XP, I'm not going to migrate to Vista until most of the bugs have been fixed.

Maybe I should buy them now, but I'm not sure how (32-bit) XP will behave with 4GB installed; I guess I'll have to read up about PAE and exactly what it does.




RE: DDR availability
By wing0 on 7/12/2006 9:52:01 AM , Rating: 2
same here...i ain't getting vista until SP1...
maybe when it comes out, it'd say...."Vista + SP1"


Not upgrading any time soon
By nerdboy on 7/12/2006 12:14:35 PM , Rating: 2
I am not upgrading to Vista when it comes out. Most of the major changes they where going to make are not even coming out with Vista like there new NTFS file system, its going to be in an update later that year. So I am just going to wait until Vista SP2 is released in about 3 or 4 years and then upgrade. As of write now there are really no new options to make me upgrade from my Windows XP computer.




RE: Not upgrading any time soon
By kamel5547 on 7/12/2006 3:54:34 PM , Rating: 2
Actually they trashed the new file system. It will not be released as an add on to Vista. In fact the 80% chance depends on how fast they cna pull features out of Vista probably... Personally I have had few problems with the Vista beta 2. And the only major problem ended up being an issue with IE7 Beta.


By MonkeyPaw on 7/11/2006 5:54:30 PM , Rating: 3
I do enjoy when companies introduce probabilities into thier launch schedule. Once you say there's an 80% chance of something, people immediately associate it with weather forcasts and quickly discount the credibility of the statement. Besides, where does this 80% chance come from? Do they have 10 teams working on this, and only 8 of them think they'll finish on time? You heard it here first, Gates to be the next anchorman for the Weather Channel.




GOOD JOB!
By Nik00117 on 7/11/2006 1:06:22 PM , Rating: 2
MS is doing a good job of not rushing it. Really IDC to upgrade to Vista in 2007, or 2008 or even maybe 2009 is pushing it. I doubt very much a lot of us are in a hurry to become beta testers for microsoft.




Already there...
By THEREALJMAN73 on 7/11/2006 2:11:28 PM , Rating: 2
I run the May 23rd beta release as my primary OS already and I don't really have any problems with it. It runs the few games I play, web, email and word proccessing. I also watch my movies and listen to much without any issues.

Release the gold copy whenever MS - I am already happy.




RE: Already there...
By desiplaya4life on 7/11/06, Rating: 0
"A lot of people pay zero for the cellphone ... That's what it's worth." -- Apple Chief Operating Officer Timothy Cook
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