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Apple still has the most popular tablet

Gartner has published a new report looking at the state of the tablet market in 2013. The report shows that the overall tablet market grew by roughly 68% year-over-year. Not surprisingly, the top OS used in the majority of laptops told was Google’s Android.
 
Thanks to a 127% increase in sales during 2013, Android-based tablets now hold the top spot with 62% of the market. On the other hand, Apple’s iOS sits in second place with 36% of the tablet market. A distant third place goes to Microsoft with 2.1% of the market.
 
In 2012, the top tablet platform for the year was iOS with 52.8% of the market. At the time, Android held 45.8% of the market. Part of the reason for success in the Android market was that much of the growth for tablets in 2013 was for smaller screen devices selling in the low-end of the market (often sub $250). In comparison, Apple’s cheapest tablet offering starts at $299.


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"In 2013, tablets became a mainstream phenomenon, with a vast choice of Android-based tablets being within the budget of mainstream consumers while still offering adequate specifications," said Roberta Cozza, research director at Gartner.
 
"As the Android tablet market becomes highly commoditized, in 2014, it will be critical for vendors to focus on device experience and meaningful technology and ecosystem value — beyond just hardware and cost — to ensure brand loyalty and improved margins."
 
Android may have taken a significant lead overall in the tablet market, but Apple still has by far the most popular tablets. Apple holds 36% of the market for sales to end-users with Samsung talking 19.1%. Third place goes to ASUS, followed in order by Amazon and Lenovo to round out the top five. Those three firms had 5.6%, 4.8%, and 3.3% of the tablet market respectively.

Source: Gartner



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Wow...
By retrospooty on 3/4/2014 11:21:05 AM , Rating: 4
Not at all surprised that Android passed IOS, but Windows only at 2.1%? Ouch.




RE: Wow...
By amanojaku on 3/4/2014 11:46:51 AM , Rating: 2
Considering how late MS was to create a tablet, and then it released two that were less than ideal (Surface couldn't run Windows apps; Surface Pro could, but had poor battery life; both were ridiculously expensive) this is actually pretty good.

What's interesting is that Windows tablets are seeing the same growth rate as iPads. Apple's momentum is slowing, while MS' momentum is increasing. I'm not expecting double digit market share in the next two years, but it does look like people are warming to the Surface family, especially the 2nd generation. I was shocked when a client of mine proudly showed off a Surface. This person professes an undying love of Apple (iMac at work, iPhone in pocket) - yet, couldn't stop raving about Surface. If I had a camera, I could have made the most potent promotional video for Surface ever.


RE: Wow...
By ResStellarum on 3/4/2014 12:26:28 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
What's interesting is that Windows tablets are seeing the same growth rate as iPads. Apple's momentum is slowing, while MS' momentum is increasing. I'm not expecting double digit market share in the next two years

Not this growth rate statistical nonsense again. That's the last recourse of a failing OS with minuscule marketshare.

Let's take a look at your claimed growth rate parity shall we?
iOS - 2012: 61.5M, 2013: 70.4M = 9M real growth.
Windows - 2012: 1.2M, 2013: 4M = 2.8M real growth.

So no, in terms of real growth, not statistic BS like comparing growth rates of low and high marketshare competitors, iOS is outpacing Windows 3 to 1. And don't forget, Windows is multi-OEM, not single like iOS.


RE: Wow...
By Da W on 3/4/2014 2:00:19 PM , Rating: 3
I don't know, most Windows tablets were sold out for most of the start of the year.
I went to my local best buy and there was a HUGE booth of Windows tablet placed up front, next to apple's iPad booth, with android tablets relegated in the back of the store, almost hidden.
LOTS of poeple tried out the windows tablets too. Seemed to like it.
Windows 8 sold 200M+ liscences. All desktop and laptop? Where are the convertibles?

Yet only 4M tablet? Nah. Must be 4M SURFACEs, that number would make sence. There are far more Windows tablets out there.

I'm starting to believe Google is pushing agressive disinformation practices.


RE: Wow...
By ResStellarum on 3/4/2014 3:00:36 PM , Rating: 1
I dear, where do I start.

quote:
I don't know, most Windows tablets were sold out for most of the start of the year.

If there were only 4 million in total sold through the whole of 2013, then either 1. The stock was very low to start with or 2. The return rate was extremely high. Personally, I think it's a combination of the two. It's not the first time Microsoft has purposely kept the stock low, and proudly boasted of being sold out. It's PR at its worst.

quote:
I went to my local best buy and there was a HUGE booth of Windows tablet placed up front, next to apple's iPad booth, with android tablets relegated in the back of the store, almost hidden.

Proof by anecdotal evidence - A logical fallacy my friend.
Argumentum ad circumstantiam / Argumentum ad accidens.

quote:
Windows 8 sold 200M+ liscences. All desktop and laptop?

Microsoft's supposed Windows licence sales numbers are a well known exercise in image management.

1. Did you know that all those computers being sold by OEM's with Windows 7 on them are still counted as Windows 8 licences? Yes, that's right, they are counted as downgrades, thus they fall into the Windows 8 metrics.

2. A sold licence ? A PC sold. That's right, Microsoft could sell a billion licences without a single PC being sold. OEM's order them in bulk; which means, those same licences may never even be used - EVER!

3. Even if we assume that 200 million Windows 8 machines have to been sold, which is quite preposterous, it still pales in comparison to Android which sells devices in the billions. And those are actual sales and activations, not licences sitting around in some OEM database never to see the light of day.

quote:

Yet only 4M tablet? Nah. Must be 4M SURFACEs, that number would make sence. There are far more Windows tablets out there.

That's by OS. That's the whole of Windows, including Surface Pro, Surface RT, and every other OEM selling Windows tablets combined.

This is why in five years time, Microsoft won't exist in the consumer space, and in ten years, they'll be clinging on to the enterprise with dear life.


RE: Wow...
By niva on 3/4/2014 5:14:45 PM , Rating: 2
OK bash all you want on MS but of the tablets I really want to own a surface pro is the only one. The reason I don't have one is how expensive it is. The reason it's so expensive is because of both hardware and software capabilities. Yeah it can be better, but it is the best for production.

Unless you needed a tablet with a specific size and weight (small and light) or battery life, if prices were the same which would you choose? I know I'd own a surface pro if it came for the price of a nexus 7.... and no, I don't own a nexus, nor will I ever anything apple.

I like windows 8 on a tablet especially. As much as you seem to want Microsoft to fail they're not going away and if they do fail it will be a loss to everyone.


RE: Wow...
By SPOOFE on 3/4/2014 5:38:44 PM , Rating: 1
Who's bashing MS? Them's the numbers and them's the marketing tactics.


RE: Wow...
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/4/2014 5:20:34 PM , Rating: 2
Their logic is like saying that Ubuntu usage has doubled, therefore Windows is doomed.

Doubling of a very tiny market is good but in absolute numbers it isn't much.


RE: Wow...
By Mint on 3/5/2014 5:06:50 AM , Rating: 2
Ubuntu vs Windows is a gross exaggeration of an analogy. They're a few orders of magnitude apart.

Windows tablets are at 2.1% while iOS is at 36%. That's a lot closer than a 100:1 or 1000:1 ratio, especially when you consider that Windows is on a growth trajectory. Half of the 2013 Windows tablet sales may have been in Q4, compared to maybe 30% of Apple.


RE: Wow...
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/5/2014 4:34:26 PM , Rating: 2
Almost 80 million iPads were sold last year.

Comparing Windows tablet sales is ridiculous in both percentages and hard numbers.


RE: Wow...
By Mint on 3/7/2014 3:52:41 AM , Rating: 2
My point completely flew over your head.

(# Windows sales)/(# Ubuntu sales) >> (# iPads)/(# Windows tablets)

I'm not saying Windows tablets have comparable sales to iPads. I'm saying they're not even close to the irrelevancy of Ubuntu (in their respective markets), as you implied above.


RE: Wow...
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/7/2014 4:24:08 PM , Rating: 2
I got it completely and the comparison completely stands.

The degrees are different but the point is the same. Doubling of a tiny install base isn't meaningful when it would need to double for many years while other platforms remain stagnant or regress in order to catch up.


RE: Wow...
By tonyswash on 3/4/14, Rating: 0
RE: Wow...
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/4/2014 6:41:57 PM , Rating: 5
I would tend to believe, that a company who does this for a living, would know better than some schmuck on the internet named Tony Swash...


RE: Wow...
By augiem on 3/5/2014 5:33:53 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Surface couldn't run Windows apps


Yes, and iPad can't run OSX apps. I'm getting real tired of hearing this. This is an invalid black mark against MS, period. Yes, the general public may be too ignorant to know the difference and be confused, and yes, they were silly to call it "Windows" when it wasn't Windows, but the reality is it is/was on the same playing field as iPad in that regard. Actually it should get bonus points over iPad because it did run MS Office. But no, it will always go down in everyone's minds as the "tablet that couldn't run Windows apps" as if MS should have released a full-blown PC tablet for $500. That's ignorant to expect that. Very sad that even techies don't get it.

No I don't have any MS hardware.


RE: Wow...
By ResStellarum on 3/4/2014 12:15:11 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
but Windows only at 2.1%? Ouch.

Yeah that's pretty bad even for Microsoft. Only 4 million tablet devices shipped with Windows for 2013 compared with Android's 130 million. It's not even in the same league.


And in a couple more days...
By msheredy on 3/4/2014 12:04:09 PM , Rating: 3
... Another survey will come out saying Apple has 82% market share. Personally I wonder how stories can shirt this drastically, or in this case market share. It reminds me when I read about unemployment being down, then literally a week later unemployment is up. :/




RE: And in a couple more days...
By Solandri on 3/4/2014 2:42:55 PM , Rating: 2
This is market share for 2013 sales.

Other commonly released figures are quarterly sales.

What people often mistakenly these numbers are are number of tablets in use.

They're all different numbers. The iPad's share as quarterly sales has been dropping steadily since its introduction. The first two years it held on to an unusually large share (I believe it was still 85% for 2011). But the last two years saw a rapid decrease (~60% in 2012, and now 36% for 2013). Apple dropping below 50% for 2013 was a given for anyone following these numbers. But when the 1Q2013 numbers came in with Apple at 39%, I thought it was a fluke and they'd pick up after the iPad refresh to finish the year somewhere in the 40th percentile. Apparently not.

It's also important to note that year-over-year unit sales are actually up for Apple. It's just not up by as much as Android tablets, which is why they lost market share as a percentage. The tablet market is still growing, but Android is getting a much larger chunk of that growth than Apple.


RE: And in a couple more days...
By bsd228 on 3/4/2014 7:43:32 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It's also important to note that year-over-year unit sales are actually up for Apple. It's just not up by as much as Android tablets, which is why they lost market share as a percentage. The tablet market is still growing, but Android is getting a much larger chunk of that growth than Apple.


I'd like to see the breakdown between the less profitable IpadMini sales, a product Apple repeatedly swore it would never make, and the primary 10" units. Like with the ipod, at a certain point, you've sold all the $499/$599 devices you can, and upgrading volume drops off.


RE: And in a couple more days...
By retrospooty on 3/4/2014 2:54:44 PM , Rating: 2
"Another survey will come out saying Apple has 82% market share. Personally I wonder how stories can shirt this drastically"

It really doesnt vary at all, you just need to read the details behind the data. This is sales data worldwide for 2013. Apple may release some different #'s for US only that look better, but the key part would be its "US only". Worldwide total sales are all that really matters. When companies start slicing the data into regions, or particular segments, it's done in order to make it look better than it is.


RE: And in a couple more days...
By msheredy on 3/4/2014 5:21:14 PM , Rating: 1
I did some digging and came across this interesting read.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/03/03/gartner-...

According to this article Apple provides actual sales number to end users (you and me) while manufacturers like Samsung provide shipment totals (to retails stores not actual purchases). This certainly makes a lot of sense seeing as how web traffic on iOS devices is far and above that of Android devices.

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2013/12/01/apple-andro...

http://www.netmarketshare.com/ under market share reports/operating systems select "mobile trend"


RE: And in a couple more days...
By ResStellarum on 3/4/2014 6:28:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
This certainly makes a lot of sense seeing as how web traffic on iOS devices is far and above that of Android devices. http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2013/12/01/apple-andro... http://www.netmarketshare.com/ under market share reports/operating systems select "mobile trend"

I wouldn't put much stock in what NetApplications says. They manipulate the data using geoweighting and other things.

For instance, they still claim that IE has 60% of the browser market, when Statcounter says it only has 32%. Incidentally, StatCounter uses a far larger sample size than NetApplications. Perhaps those are the reasons for the discrepancy.


RE: And in a couple more days...
By Solandri on 3/4/2014 7:25:55 PM , Rating: 2
Net Applications draws from a sample of about 60,000 websites last I checked, and counts individual users per month - i.e. whether an individual visited a site at least once in a month.

StatCounter draws from a sample of over 3 million websites, and counts page hits - i.e. volume of web usage.

Basically, more iOS users visit websites, but they don't do it that often. About half as many Android users visit websites, but they do it about 3x-4x as often. In other words:

- most hardcore mobile web users are on Android
- most casual mobile web users are on iOS
- most non-users are on Android

quote:
I wouldn't put much stock in what NetApplications says. They manipulate the data using geoweighting and other things.

You're right to be skeptical. But W3Counter draws from a similarly small data set, and also does geoweighting. They also count individual users, and their stats closely match Net Applications'. So it would appear their statistical fudging is accurate (or at least similar to W3Counter's).


By retrospooty on 3/5/2014 7:20:35 AM , Rating: 2
I dunno if they fudge #'s or not, but it's still not based on sales, its based on usage, so an older platform with a larger install base has higher #'s with NetApps. The study Gartner used goes by sales #'s, not web stats, so that is an important distinction.


RE: And in a couple more days...
By kmmatney on 3/4/2014 7:14:40 PM , Rating: 2
Their are also a lot of cheap Android devices out there. I technically have an equal number of Android and iOS tablets at my house, but the iPads get way more use. There all toys, but the iPads are much nicer toys.


RE: And in a couple more days...
By Mint on 3/5/2014 5:19:52 AM , Rating: 2
You can get some month-to-month variance from shipped-vs-sold discrepancies, but no store is going to keep buying products that won't sell. The point is moot.

Web traffic isn't explained by this either. There's actually a big difference between WiFi and 3G/4G share between iOS and Android:
http://blog.cloudfour.com/explaining-the-ios-and-a...


Nearly half of Android tablets in US
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/4/2014 5:10:27 PM , Rating: 1
These four models were nearly half of Android tablet sales last year.

http://www.biglots.com/p/d/electronics/curtis-7-an...
http://www.biglots.com/p/d/electronics/proscan-8-t...
http://www.biglots.com/p/d/electronics/emerson-7in...
http://www.biglots.com/p/d/electronics/proscan-7-t...

Android coming in to dominate the cheap low-end tablet market was pretty predictable. The same thing happened with phones. It also explains why Android tablet apps are still so bad.




By SPOOFE on 3/4/2014 5:41:05 PM , Rating: 2
Very telling information. The numbers shouldn't surprise anyone: Apple has historically avoided the "race to the bottom" tactics.


RE: Nearly half of Android tablets in US
By anactoraaron on 3/4/14, Rating: 0
By SPOOFE on 3/4/2014 6:04:39 PM , Rating: 2
Your personal anecdote makes for some great evidence! /s


RE: Nearly half of Android tablets in US
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/4/2014 6:36:16 PM , Rating: 2
Keep guessing. Samsung actually moved more tablets than Amazon did. Either way it supports the point since the Kindle is a cheap low power device lacking in tablet optimized apps. With the Kindle it is worse since it is both slow and locked down to an even more limited app store by Amazon.


RE: Nearly half of Android tablets in US
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/4/2014 6:41:02 PM , Rating: 2
Asus, if their numbers are to be believed and aren't just "shipments", sold more than Amazon. Samsung, if they are to be believed with sell-through and not just "shipments", sold 4x as much as Amazon did.

So yeah, keep guessing.


RE: Nearly half of Android tablets in US
By anactoraaron on 3/6/2014 2:40:20 PM , Rating: 2
SO? My point wasn't that Amazon was the world's leader, but they sure as hell outsold proscan @ biglots!

Both Samsung and Asus only count shipments, their actual sales numbers are a mystery. So they SHIP more. If you or someone else can actually show the true sales data, please share it.

As for the race to the bottom comment, what do people do on their iPads that warrant spending 2x+ on them that can't be done on any other 'cheaper' android tablet? Most people that I know just give their iPads to their kids to play with most of the time (which they play the 'break the screen' on) and don't do anything other than email and internet on.

Wouldn't it make more sense to rather get a KF HD/HDX for much less if you do these things? Then there's also compelling things kindle free time and prime instant video... KF tablets aren't about apps (so your comment about tablet optimization is worthless and uninformed), they're about CONTENT CONSUMPTION. That's what the Amazon ecosystem is about. Books, music, video (prime), and kid's games for when you want to give them something to do on car trips, etc. Oh yeah, and it can still do the email and internet stuff you do on your iPad too.

Someone commented how their KF was a paperweight... so you bought an Amazon tablet and didn't want to use their ecosystem so you have a paperweight? That's as dumb as buying an iPad and not wanting iTunes... If you have a paperweight maybe do some research next time before buying something! Read a KF article on anandtech for crying out loud.


RE: Nearly half of Android tablets in US
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/7/2014 3:16:56 AM , Rating: 2
Anecdotal evidence tells you that people don't need high quality devices with lots of software, so nobody should buy them at all.

Not everybody is who you know, sorry. I use mine for work as well as web/email/games. By your logic people should just give up on Windows and buy Chromebooks, because who needs powerful desktops with lots of software when most people you know just use it for Facebook and Gmail or whatever.

I guess its ridiculous that someone recommends the best hardware and software on a tech site.


RE: Nearly half of Android tablets in US
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/7/2014 7:34:55 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I guess its ridiculous that someone recommends the company they defend no matter what on a tech site.
FTFY


RE: Nearly half of Android tablets in US
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/7/2014 4:19:21 PM , Rating: 2
There it is again, bash on a product because of the brand, even if it means ignoring how objectively better it is in every way.

I could give a crap about if its Apple or not. Nobody else has tablets with hardware or software as good. Don't blame Apple, blame other OEMs and Google for falling short.

Usual DT crap from you, pretty funny.


By Cheesew1z69 on 3/7/2014 7:13:01 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
There it is again, bash on a product because of the brand, even if it means ignoring how objectively better it is in every way
And that's your opinion.

quote:
Usual DT crap from you, pretty funny.
Ah yes, says the troll. Funny indeed.


Windows tablets
By jdmackes on 3/4/2014 10:29:55 PM , Rating: 2
Now, does the 2.1% include all windows tablets, or just windows RT? Most people want the windows 8 tablets, and I could see windows rt not having a high market share. Now that windows 8 tablets are down to around 200, I think they'll really start to take off. For $200, to be able to run all your programs and actually use it like a computer instead of an internet machine and crappy gaming device? Who wouldn't want that




No @!@#?
By majorpain on 3/5/2014 3:01:31 PM , Rating: 2
I guess Lady Gaga is more popular than The Cure, but does that make her better?
Steve Jobs did hes work very well, and thats UN-fragmentation of Apples smartphones and Tablets. But then again, i can't really figure which one is which, iphone 5 or iphone 5s? iPad 3 or 4?? But way easier than all the rest of the brands like Samsung anyway.




So Android has 62 percent.....
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/4/14, Rating: -1
RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By amanojaku on 3/4/2014 11:53:28 AM , Rating: 2
As a BRAND Apple has the most popular tablet. It's market share (36%) is nearly TWICE that of the next competitor, Samsung (19.1%). As Tony often points out, market share is only part of the equation. Apple sells high-margin devices to extremely loyal customers, so it has more share than any competitor AND more profit per device sold AND less customer churn. It's too soon to be preparing a grave for Apple.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/4/14, Rating: -1
RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/4/14, Rating: -1
RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By Newspapercrane on 3/4/2014 12:30:28 PM , Rating: 2
I want to punch tony in the face as much as the next guy, but you can't boil down a company's performance and say it's dying. That would be like comparing Bentley's market share to Chevrolet's. Bentley may have a smaller market share, but they're most certainly not dying just because of that.

No, I'm not saying that Apple products are the "Bentley" of the tablet market. I'm simply saying that it sells as a premium product, and we need to analyze it as such.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/4/2014 12:36:14 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
but you can't boil down a company's performance and say it's dying
No one is saying this. I certainly never said that. I said, the marketshare is falling and that is certainly true.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By SPOOFE on 3/4/2014 2:08:08 PM , Rating: 2
It is true, but it is important to note that market share is just one metric. Profit margin is also important, as are sales numbers relative to previous years.

Frankly, I think it's fallacious to make the blatant statement "Apple is slipping" when all their other numbers still show a very strong market presence. To compare it to another market, tiny point and shoot cameras vastly outsell DSLR's, but nobody would say DSLR's "are slipping".


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By BabelHuber on 3/4/2014 4:12:32 PM , Rating: 2
Market share and profit share are intertwined to a certain degree.

In 1995 Apple almost went bancrupr because their market share fell under a critical threshold.

Note that for iOS, this is not yet the case: In 2012, iOS also had about 16% smartphone market share worldwinde.

This is actually OK. It is a valid strategy to crater to a market of customers who are willing to pay premium prices.

But if you overdo it, the situation gets critical. Especially the developer support for your OS is sinking once your niche becomes too small.

Look at OS X in pre-iPhone times. There were some niches like music and desktop publishing where developer support was high, but for other areas (like Gaming or enterprise clients) you just needed Windows. Hence back then Windows was the natural choice for an all-purpose device outside of the realm of diehard Apple fanatics.

Here you have some explanation in more details: http://www.tech-thoughts.net/2013/05/apple-samsung...

Especially nice is the Steve Jobs quote of ca. 1995:

quote:
What ruined Apple was not growth … They got very greedy … Instead of following the original trajectory of the original vision, which was to make the thing an appliance and get this out there to as many people as possible … they went for profits. They made outlandish profits for about four years. What this cost them was their future. What they should have been doing is making rational profits and going for market share.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By SPOOFE on 3/4/2014 4:21:08 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Market share and profit share are intertwined to a certain degree

Oh, sure there's a relation. One can choose to take a smaller margin to try to boost market share, for example. The nature if that market share, and the tactics used to get it, are pretty important, too. Simply looking at one number, however, will never tell you the whole story, and it boggles me that on a technology news site people will so myopically focus on one aspect of performance. It's like insisting AMD processors are better because they have higher clock speeds.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By BabelHuber on 3/4/2014 4:32:57 PM , Rating: 2
There is not only a relation, they are intertwined .

Didn't you read the Steve Jobs quote I posted?

As I said, Apple's current iOS market share is OK for them. But let it fall to 5% and all sorts of problems will occur.

And this Apple has to be aware of - if they ignore falling market share while just laugning about their profits, they will have a tough awakening.

And to be honest: Since Steve Jobs is no more, I wouldn't rule it out. A handful of stupid management decision is all that it takes.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By SPOOFE on 3/4/2014 5:43:42 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
There is not only a relation, they are intertwined .

I don't see how there's a significant difference.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/4/2014 4:30:43 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
What they should have been doing is making rational profits and going for market share.
Even Steve said it's about marketshare, I keep saying that, and the Apple faithful, they keep saying no....


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By SPOOFE on 3/4/2014 5:51:18 PM , Rating: 2
Learn to parse a sentence. Note the use of the word "and". This suggests that the two traits mentioned - profits AND market share - are important.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/4/14, Rating: -1
RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By SPOOFE on 3/4/2014 6:46:16 PM , Rating: 3
That's an interesting way of saying, "Oops, I was wrong with my earlier post!"


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/4/2014 6:55:12 PM , Rating: 2
Nothing was wrong with my earlier post, you can take it how you like, your opinions or comments, really mean nothing to me. You are just trolling at this point.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By SPOOFE on 3/4/2014 6:58:16 PM , Rating: 2
"Even Steve said it's about marketshare"

Dishonesty by way of omission. Jobs most certainly did NOT say "it's about market share". But hey, maybe if you assert it a million times it'll magically come true. See: Big Lie technique.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/4/2014 8:23:11 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
What they should have been doing is making rational profits and going for market share.
That you are taking this wrong, not my problem, because he certainly did. Maybe you can convince yourself otherwise, but you aren't convincing anyone else.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By SPOOFE on 3/4/2014 8:38:13 PM , Rating: 2
So did Steve Jobs say "it's about marketshare" or did he say "it's about marketshare and rational profits"?

Don't hurt yourself too much thinking about this. :)


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By Argon18 on 3/4/2014 4:40:50 PM , Rating: 1
"I want to punch tony in the face "

Wow. Nerd rage much? Seriously buddy, get outdoors and get some fresh air. You need it. Are you such a fanboy that you're unable to tolerate any viewpoint that disagrees with your own? Good grief.

As for tablet market share, we all know Microsoft's RT was a market failure. Heck all the RT tablets were removed from Big Box Store shelves long ago. It's dead. Microsoft was so desperate to clear out their inventory of unsold tablets, and try and save a little face, that it opened its own retail stores (suspiciously similar looking to Apple stores on the inside, hmmm) in a desperate attempt to market the things to the uninterested public. I bet most people on the street don't even know there is such thing as a Microsoft tablet.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/4/14, Rating: -1
RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By SPOOFE on 3/4/2014 5:44:53 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, that's not irony.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/4/2014 6:30:41 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, it is, absolutely. Coming from him, 100 percent. Unless you don't don't understand irony perhaps?


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By SPOOFE on 3/4/2014 6:48:23 PM , Rating: 2
No, there's nothing ironic about it. If he expressed a desire to punch you in the face, sure. But that didn't happen.

Not that I expect something like "reality" to affect your view.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/4/14, Rating: -1
RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By SPOOFE on 3/4/2014 6:56:26 PM , Rating: 2
Feel free to explain the irony, then. I'll wait. :)


By majorpain on 3/5/2014 3:07:17 PM , Rating: 2
Sad comparison anyway eheheheh. Bentley really builds unique awesome cars that are worth the $$$, outside and inside. Can't really say the same thing about a overcharged nice car with Ferrari looks and a VW Golf 1.4 engine inside. Still good, but overcharged.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By tonyswash on 3/4/14, Rating: -1
By Rukkian on 3/4/2014 2:43:26 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
There is not the slightest chance that in the foreseeable future Apple's iPad business will suffer any sort of serious decline or that iOS users will suffer any sort of disadvantage from being on the 'minority' platform. At the moment of course all the platform advantages, such as they are, accrue to iOS users, because as a tablet platform Android is pathetically flaccid. The only category of software that Android beats iOS in is malware where it's lead is unassailable.


Have you seen the news lately? How many infections have you seen reported on an android tablet? How about IOS? There are several vulnerabilities that have been shown lately, and your false info is old. Android devices in the pre-ICS days did have more issues with malware, but with the newer devices, unless you are an idiot and go install apk's from crappy sites, there is really no issue with malware. I have have some form of android device for 3 years, and both of my sons now have nexus 7's (2012 and 2013 versions), and while I do run anti-malware, I have never had any issues (never even had one found) even though I am not the most careful. In the end, the issues that used to be in Android are gone, unless an idiot either buys a cheap pos with an old version, or installs malware ridden hacked software, there is really no issue.

There are places where I think apple does probably have the best tablets, (mainly 10", as I don't really see a good android out there), but for smaller ones, the nexus 7 blows away the ipad mini in pretty much every spec, and actual usage (my family has both), and is quite a bit cheaper, especially at the higher levels (LTE w/32gb) since google does not gouge their customers for $100 for 16gb of memory.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By retrospooty on 3/4/14, Rating: 0
RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By tonyswash on 3/4/2014 6:10:43 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Apple's market share and importance is slipping fast.


I see Apple remains doomed.

I sometimes wonder what you think is happening in the mobile device business. Lets consider what a mobile platform does for all interested parties and how might one measure the merits of a platform from the point of view of each of those different parties.

The owners/sponsors of a platform create a platform to further their interests as a business. A fundamental way to judge a business is by it’s financial performance. Apple has the most successful phone and the most successful tablet business on the planet. There isn’t any CEO of any other mobile OEM that wouldn’t swap their business results for Apple’s in a heartbeat.

Those consumers who choose to commit to a platform want a platform that delivers a rich ecosystem that does not leave them at a significant disadvantage compared to other platforms they might have chosen instead. iOS users have more apps, peripherals, digital content and other goodies to choose from than any of the other platforms.

Third party developers and businesses want a platform that can deliver a viable market for their offerings and products, and the maximum return for their investments. Developers and third party businesses make more money from iOS both per capita and in absolute terms than from any other mobile platform.

Life on planet Apple is sweet :)

The church of market share is a comfort blanket for those incurious folk least interested in finding out how the world of mobile devices really works. It is the intellectual equivalent of sucking ones thumb.


By retrospooty on 3/4/2014 6:19:57 PM , Rating: 1
"I see Apple remains doomed."

Again? Really? No-one said anything like that. When you resort to your typical "reductio ad absurdum" answers, it shows you have no decent point to make. Automatic fail.

Apple market share and importance and "sway" in the mobile world is slipping and you just cant handle it.


By Solandri on 3/4/2014 2:52:41 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
The Gartner report gets the number of iPad sold in the last year wrong (the Gartner figure lose 4 million iPads from the real total) even though Apple is the only major tablet OEM that regularly reports it's actual sales figures

When you compile numbers like sales figures, you have to use the same methodology for all your numbers. If Apple is the only major tablet brand (I believe Foxconn is the OEM that makes the iPad, not Apple - Apple doesn't manufacture anything) releasing their sales figures, then that right there is the reason Gartner can't use those numbers.

Likely Gartner has a bunch of sources among the major industry suppliers and retailers who give them data collected the same way for all the tablets. And likely these sources do not cover 100% of everything sold, so a ~6% discrepancy is not surprising. The important thing is that a consistent methodology makes the 6% discrepancy uniform across all tablets sold. That's what's needed for the 36% market share figure to be accurate. Not a strict adherence to the total number of units sold.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By woody1 on 3/4/2014 1:57:52 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sure all of that is true, but if you look at the trajectory, the iPad has gone from owning more or less 100% of the tablet market to what is now 48%. The trend is clearly toward increasing overall declines for the iPad. If the trend continues, Apple will become a much less important player in the tablet market.

Guess it's time for Apple to get on to the next big thing.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By woody1 on 3/4/2014 1:59:19 PM , Rating: 2
Duh, make that 38% of the overall market...


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By SPOOFE on 3/4/2014 2:14:11 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
the iPad has gone from owning more or less 100% of the tablet market to what is now 48%.

A statement that is technically true but still a poor description of the situation. Apple created the tablet category as it exists today. They still have the plurality, and only ceded the majority to other companies that cut costs and margins. Apple is still the biggest player on the block and they have yet had to compromise their designs or business model.

The far more important milestones will be when another single company outsells them, and/or when another company makes more money than them.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By Reclaimer77 on 3/4/2014 2:19:01 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Apple created the tablet category as it exists today.


Stop reading there folks, nothing to see here. Just another nut-huger rewriting history and claiming everything we have is due to them.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By SPOOFE on 3/4/2014 2:22:17 PM , Rating: 2
That's funny. :)


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/4/2014 5:13:54 PM , Rating: 2
Who are you going to claim created the modern tablet market? It wasn't Microsoft. They tried for a decade and never sold more than a few thousand units per year. The modern tablet model is based on the iPad.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By SPOOFE on 3/4/2014 5:46:09 PM , Rating: 2
If you say anything that isn't openly hostile about Apple, you're a fanboy. Didn't you know?


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By amanojaku on 3/4/2014 3:27:48 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'm sure all of that is true, but if you look at the trajectory, the iPad has gone from owning more or less 100% of the tablet market to what is now 38%. The trend is clearly toward increasing overall declines for the iPad. If the trend continues, Apple will become a much less important player in the tablet market.
What's missing from this statement is the fact that Apple's iPad sales are continuing to increase. It's not like Apple is losing customers to other platforms. Instead, other platforms are gaining customers who either cannot afford Apple products, or would never buy them in the first place. The former group is what's concerning, as they will eventually become Apple customers.

Not that market share is really important on its own. You really have to factor in margins. A recent report on iPhone prices around the world revealed a startling fact: iPhone 5S prices in the US and Canada are among the lowest at $600-650, yet the high price is not a deterrent in other countries. Consider Luxembourg, Norway and Singapore, countries with higher GDPs per capita compared to the US. The iPhone 5S in those countries costs $900, $950, and $780 respectively. At $600 the iPhone is already overpriced, with a build cost of under $200. Assuming no import/export tariffs and excluding R&D costs, profit per 5S is:

1) $400 in Canada (89% of the US baseline)
2) $450 in the US
3) $575 in Singapore (128%)
4) $750 in Norway (167%)
5) $700 in Luxembourg (156%)

Two people buying iPhones in Luxembourg or Norway give Apple as much profit as three Americans. iPhone market share in those countries is 55%, more than America's 44% (Singapore is 41%). It doesn't end there:

1) $800 in Denmark (178% of the US baseline profit)
2) $750 in Sweden (167%)
3) $750 in Austria (167%)
4) $675 in New Zealand (150%)
5) $675 in Switzerland (150%)

All are countries where the iPhone has a usage share of at least 40%. With the exception of Switzerland, all are countries where the GDP per capita is less than that of the US. And I haven't included countries where the market share is 30%-39%, like Japan, Hong Kong, Thailand, Australia, the UK, Ireland, and Belgium. Worse, unlike the US, I am not aware of any of these countries having carriers who subsidize phone costs. People are paying more than Americans do out of their own pockets!

If we assume similar margins on iPads, it's clear that Apple's sales could be cut in half, and it would still be making money. But it's sales aren't decreasing. So Android is selling way more in volume, but it's not making up for it with margins. Not even Samsung sells as many high-margin devices as Apple. Instead, the majority of Android devices are between $150 and $300, yielding margins around $50-$100. Without doing the math, and being very generous to non-Apple devices, that means Apple's devices are bringing in 5x the profit of everything else.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/4/2014 3:38:58 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
What's missing from this statement is the fact that Apple's iPad sales are continuing to increase.
From almost 100 percent to 38 percent, yet, you claim it's increasing. Sounds....legit.


By amanojaku on 3/4/2014 3:47:02 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
From almost 100 percent to 38 percent, yet, you claim it's increasing. Sounds....legit.
Math 101

10/10 = 100%

20/50 = 40%

The second numerator has decreased as a percentage of the second denominator, but it has doubled (increased) in comparison to the first numerator. Now, just imagine that the numerator is Apple sales, and the denominator is all tablet sales. My god, man...


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By SPOOFE on 3/4/2014 3:51:19 PM , Rating: 2
Because percentage only tells part of the story. Sales numbers and profit margins are also very important.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By Motoman on 3/4/2014 11:56:20 AM , Rating: 5
No...it's the same kind of brain-dead statement that Macolytes make when some $2,000 iMac is the "most popular $2,000 computer system" based on some quarter's sales figures.

In the PC market, the only comparison that makes any sense to anyone with any braincells at all is to compare Apple sales vs. the *sum total* of all Windows machines. Windows machines are essentially a fungible commodity, whereby a Dell can easily supplant an HP or a Gateway or a home-built unit ad infinitum without causing a ripple. They're all the same. So there's not even the tiniest amount of validity in comparing the sales of individual models of Windows machines to the sales of some Apple model...the best you can do is add up all the comparable models of Windows machines to compare to the Apple model, and realize that Apple is still a rounding error in the personal computer market.

The same is true in the tablet market. You need to add together the sum total of all sales of comparable Android tablets to compare to the iPad. Android tablets are also essentially fungible commodities...and all the same reasoning applies.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By SPOOFE on 3/4/2014 2:20:44 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
the only comparison that makes any sense to anyone with any braincells at all is to compare Apple sales vs. the *sum total* of all Windows machines.

Why are profits not a significant comparison?


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By Motoman on 3/4/2014 2:56:30 PM , Rating: 4
Because they have nothing to do with marketshare, which is the metric which was being discussed.

However, since you bring it up, Apple's profit margin is a textbook example of why no one ever goes broke banking on the gullibility of suckers.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By SPOOFE on 3/4/2014 3:54:39 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Because they have nothing to do with marketshare, which is the metric which was being discussed.

The statement was that market share is the only metric that makes SENSE, which is simply not true. The counter-argument to Android's market share is that it's not very significant.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By Motoman on 3/4/2014 4:57:45 PM , Rating: 2
It's eminently clear that I was talking specifically about marketshare, as the metric, and because of that I have misstated nothing.

You're simply pointing out that there are other metrics besides marketshare...like profit margin. Of course there are.

But that's not what the article, or the OP I responded to were about. Hence...you're bringing it up for self-serving reasons as a fanboi.

So knock yourself out with that...just don't pretend you've caught me in some trap.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By SPOOFE on 3/4/2014 5:49:02 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It's eminently clear that I was talking specifically about marketshare, as the metric, and because of that I have misstated nothing.

Your statement was that market share is the only metric that makes sense, which just isn't true. If you want to solely discuss market share, that's fine, but you implied that other metrics DON'T make sense, which is just silly.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By anactoraaron on 3/4/2014 6:28:00 PM , Rating: 2
Actually market share is the only metric for comparison that makes sense - short term and long term, as once the market matures and the market fully saturates it will stagnate (once everyone owns this kind of tech gizmo) - see the PC market - where it then no longer matters if company A makes 600% more profit than companies A,B,C, etc if they only have 10% of the market when it stagnates that number will likely steadily decline (like what happened to Apple's personal computer sales). A company in that position better start diversifying their product lineup or they will be in financial trouble. It's why Dell, HP, and other PC manufacturers are making tablets and other personal computing devices now. Their sales are down because of market stagnation (There's no real reason for anyone even with a Sandy Bridge PC to upgrade to Haswell, that and Windows 8 didn't help PC manufacturers) and that people have adopted tablets and smartphones as personal computing devices.

I believe we are almost to that point with smartphones and tablets, as there is little a smartphone/tablet can do now that warrants upgrading from the device from 1-2 years ago. Apple saw this coming, which is why they didn't do a retina display in the original mini. What could they do in the next ipad/ipad mini that significantly improve it from the previous generation that your average consumer would notice/care about?

It's also why companies like Samsung are trying to desperately invent the next big thing (their own motto) to give customers a reason to upgrade - but their ideas have been mostly worthless and not needed/used (oh a IR blaster, but I already have a remote control). I know lots of people with GS3's that passed on the 4 and will likely do the same on the 5.

Maybe the next big thing will be mass storage? No more 16gb devices, all the new devices will be a minimum of 128gb? This should have happened already though...


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By SPOOFE on 3/4/2014 6:54:48 PM , Rating: 2
No, market share is not the only metric that makes sense. It is important, but as long as either extreme is avoided it's not necessarily more important than profits and raw numbers.

If market share were the only thing that mattered, we'd be seeing most companies sell their products at cost.


By KoolAidMan1 on 3/4/2014 8:39:51 PM , Rating: 2
The kind of marketshare matters more to me. A minority marketshare that has the fastest hardware and users that spend more money on software gets better software. It doesn't hurt that the "minority" is over half a billion.

Android tablets are cheap but they don't do very much. My Kindle Fire is a slow paperweight with bad apps.

quote:
which is why they didn't do a retina display in the original mini.


The original mini had an A5, an inefficient SoC by today's standards. The only way it worked with the full size iPad was by increasing its weight by 30% because of the battery it required. The A7 is so efficient that they could take the iPad down to a pound and put it in a mini without compromising battery life.

The mini would have had a 5 hour battery life if they'd gone retina with the A5.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By Motoman on 3/4/2014 8:18:32 PM , Rating: 2
Wow you're dense. Re-read the post:

quote:
...the only comparison that makes any sense to anyone with any braincells at all is to compare Apple sales vs. the *sum total* of all Windows machines


I'm describing *how* to measure marketshare itself. I'm *only* talking about marketshare, and I'm asserting the fact about how only one way to look at marketshare makes any sense.

At no point, at all, did I ever say anything even vaguely hinting that no other metrics of any kind outside of marketshare are important.

It's mind-boggling how dense you are.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By SPOOFE on 3/4/2014 8:41:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'm describing *how* to measure marketshare itself.

No, that's just not true. You made an inaccurate blanket statement and now you're trying to wiggle out if it. But hey, call me dense again, you might actually hurt my feelings and then you can really feel like a Tough Guy. :)


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By Motoman on 3/4/2014 10:20:32 PM , Rating: 2
Game, set, match. You lost. Anyone who can speak English can see that. You might need to brush up on your ESL courses...


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By SPOOFE on 3/4/2014 11:45:34 PM , Rating: 2
Dat's cute. :)


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By Solandri on 3/4/2014 2:59:39 PM , Rating: 2
Well, profit is an desirable measure for comparison if you're Apple or a stockholder. For a customer though, high profit margin means you're paying too much for the product.

That dichotomy is why you have to be careful marching profit figures out as an indicator. That's not the case for unit sales or market share - having high unit sales or share is good for both the stockholder and for the customer.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By SPOOFE on 3/4/2014 4:01:07 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
For a customer though, high profit margin means you're paying too much for the product

Now that's not necessarily accurate at all. It's up to the market to determine what costs are acceptable, and the market has overwhelmingly embraced Apple's products, at Apple's prices, over any other company's products.

It is a sign of a healthy market when there's a wide range of products available. The Race to the Bottom that afflicts many other markets may come with decreased prices (good for the consumer), but often with compromises to quality or support (bad for the consumer).


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By BRB29 on 3/4/2014 12:42:40 PM , Rating: 2
You can be the most anti-apple fanatic but you have to admit that Ipads are actually useful and have longevity. Most android tablets are low end. There's a ton of out there in the $100-250 range. Some of them got them for free with bundles. Many of those tablets doesn't even get used because they suck.

The only ipad today that is unpopular is the original ipad. It's only that way because it's so slow and old that Apple have pretty much discontinued support. It can't run iOS7 either and crash with most modern apps because of its low memory.


By Cheesew1z69 on 3/4/2014 12:57:54 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
you have to admit that Ipads are actually useful and have longevity.
No, and no.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By woody1 on 3/4/2014 2:05:29 PM , Rating: 2
I just had to replace my wife's 1st Gen iPad with an iPad mini Retina. The 1st Gen iPad is now useless. The overall cost of ownership of these tablets will be many times the cost of several generations of the Android tablets that I use. In fact, I paid $175 (Black Friday) for an LG G Pad with specs very competitive with the current iPad mini, and actually, the G Pad has a larger and more usable screen.

For me, the iPad is in no way a better deal. I'd could replace the Android pads twice as often as the iPads and still come out ahead.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By BRB29 on 3/5/2014 9:11:24 AM , Rating: 1
You realize you can buy the ipad, use it for a year and sell it for 80% of what you paid for it right?

If you compare black friday sales, the ipad mini retinas were found selling for $300-325 in many places.

The LG G Pad is nowhere near the tablet the ipad is. Why would you say larger screen is better but bought the mini?

How much could you sell the LG Pad for? I bought my ipad2 for $359. I sold it for $250 2 years later and bought the iPad Air for $425.

Your argument with replacing Androids twice is unfounded when you consider resale values. I also, as with most people, don't consider replacing hardware twice compared to another product as a good thing. That's actually not a good selling point lol.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/5/2014 10:05:52 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
You realize you can buy the ipad, use it for a year and sell it for 80% of what you paid for it right?
You do realize that not every cares about that? Also, no-one cares about your opinions.

Also, learn to read...FOR HIM, not for YOU, NOT FOR ANYONE ELSE, for HIM.

quote:
For me , the iPad is in no way a better deal. I'd could replace the Android pads twice as often as the iPads and still come out ahead.
Just in case your pea brain missed it.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/5/2014 4:37:35 PM , Rating: 2
For him that matters. For most people it makes sense to buy a tablet with better hardware, more software, with much higher resale value.

These are huge positives. Just because everyone has an opinion doesn't mean that they're all equally valid.


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/5/2014 5:52:28 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
These are huge positives. Just because everyone has an opinion doesn't mean that they're all equally valid.
Kind of like yours?


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/5/2014 10:41:30 PM , Rating: 2
Haha, classic Cheesewiz zinger folks


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By Reclaimer77 on 3/6/2014 8:52:08 AM , Rating: 2
He brings up a valid point. You make some stupid ass proclamation that not all opinions are equally valid, okay. So why should we listen to yours again?


RE: So Android has 62 percent.....
By SPOOFE on 3/6/2014 1:08:46 PM , Rating: 2
Opinions are based on something. Between the two of them, one has developed an opinion at least partly based on details and particulars, whereas the other has an opinion based on kneejerk emotional reactions.

'Course, of those two, we all know what kind of opinion YOU prefer. :)


By Reclaimer77 on 3/6/2014 6:37:51 PM , Rating: 1
62% of the time, it works every time :)


By alpha754293 on 3/4/2014 2:47:14 PM , Rating: 2
Do not confuse Android (which is a mobile OS) with Apple (which is a company that makes and sells computers, tablets, smartphones, and MP3 players).

There are a whole slew of companies that license the Android operating system from Google for their devices (which is going towards the trend of everything from a toaster on up) that compete against Apple (who ONLY has ONE mobile OS - iOS) that is NOT licensed (officially) to third party device manufacturers.

Please try and not confuse the two because they are uniquely and distinctly different whereby you can't compare one against the other.

Furthermore, it takes a whole SLEW of companies to compete against Apple, and a whole army of devices (even within a device category) to compete against Apple's few (within the same device category). So keep that in mind as you read and interpret these numbers.


By alpha754293 on 3/4/2014 2:59:00 PM , Rating: 2
And the truth is that neither of them are perfect, because I'm sure that you can find someone that one does that the other doesn't and vice versa and there might be some things that NEITHER of them can do (at all).

For example, the iOS Hebrew keyboard doesn't have niqqud (but you can get the Latin accented letters with the English keyboard), which I am guessing you can probably find and download one that does from Google Play. Or that on Android devices, Chinese handwriting recognition (for Traditional and/or Simplified) requires a third party app which means you can trust a third party vendor as much as you can trust a third party vendor. Some could be really good, others can just outright stink. Whereas that functionality is built into iOS, which presumes (rightfully or not) that it should work better, with tighter horizontal and vertical integration coming from an OEM.

I'm pretty sure if pressed for an honest answer, everybody can talk about things that they both love AND hate about their devices. And that given the opportunity to design our own devices, we'd all want our devices to work the way we WANT them to work (for us), even if that means that no one else will be able to figure out how to use our devices.


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