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Smartphone sales globally accounted for 55% of all mobile phone sales in Q3

Research firm Gartner has published its latest report outlining the global mobile phone industry for Q3 2013. The report shows that smartphone sales accounted for 55% of the overall mobile phone market globally in Q3 -- the highest ever on record. Globally, 455.6 million mobile phones were sold in Q3 for an increase of 5.7% compared to Q3 of 2012.
 
The 55% of overall mobile phone sales that smartphones have achieved is the segments highest market share to date.
 
Gartner predicts that global mobile phone sales for 2013 will reach 1.81 billion units for an increase of 3.4% compared to 2012.

When it comes to smartphone OS share, Android is by far the most dominant player with 81.9% of the market. The next closest players are iOS with 12.1% and Windows Phone with 3.6%. 
 
Samsung's global market share remained flat during Q3 2013, but it maintained its lead with 32.1% of the global smartphone market compared to Apple's 12.1%. The third-place spot went to Lenovo with 5.1% of the market, while LG and Huawei followed closely with 4.8% and 4.7% of the market respectively.
 
Lenovo sold 12.9 million smartphones, an increase of 84.5% compared to the same quarter of last year. Apple sold 30.3 million units in Q3 of 2013 for an increase of 23.2% compared to last year.
 
“While the arrival of the new iPhones 5s and 5c had a positive impact on overall sales, such impact could have been greater had they not started shipping late in the quarter. While we saw some inventory built up for the iPhone 5c, there was good demand for iPhone 5s with stock out in many markets,” said Mr. Gupta.

Source: Gartner



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iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By lawrance on 11/14/2013 3:42:13 PM , Rating: 5
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ayoomojola/2013/09/26/...

Market share isn't as important as revenue. Apple makes more revenue in the cellular market than the top 5 manufacturers combined. iOS users also contribute 85% of all app revenue compared to 15% for the rest of the smartphone market.

So if you were an app developer, which platform would you want to focus your efforts on?




By Cheesew1z69 on 11/14/2013 3:56:56 PM , Rating: 2
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So if you were an app developer, which platform would you want to focus your efforts on?
TYP 2.0


By w8gaming on 11/14/2013 4:43:06 PM , Rating: 2
Read your link again. The article does not mention anything about app revenue for the developers.


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By TakinYourPoints on 11/14/2013 5:20:10 PM , Rating: 3
The thing is that even mobile ad revenue is higher on iOS due to its higher online usage. Google continues to make more from advertising on iOS.

Re: mobile app revenue, a mobile developer who uses Android chimed in recently:

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The targetable Android market is still smaller and less profitable.

This is the key point. Android may have more of a penetration in raw numbers but A. its US market lead isn't as big as the global market lead, and B. most of those are just low-end devices that people simply do not use or do not make purchases from. Simply put, Apple has a better slice of the market that matters.

Two users that buy nothing or don't use the device are not better than one heavy device user.

We don't publish games, but for general apps all I see in our commercial applications in the US is that the general usage of the Android equivalent is (with almost bizarre consistency) at around 45% of the iOS version. Meaning there's 2+ times more iOS users than Android, consistently, and I don't see this changing. It might (Android 4 did wonders for Android usage), but very slowly. And that's only for phones; the iOS market space is even bigger with tablets.

I'm an Android 100% kind of guy, but I can't fault FTL for going iOS first. It'd be really dumb not to. There are many reasons why iOS -> Android is a better model when those two platforms can't be done in parallel.


Its great that Android is a ubiquitous and affordable platform for so many people. The lower app and online usage patterns are something that go with a platform that is almost entirely low end though. This isn't a knock against it, its just an explanation why metrics are the way they are and why applications on Android generally lag iOS in features/polish, release dates, or availability.


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By Reclaimer77 on 11/14/13, Rating: 0
RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By TakinYourPoints on 11/14/2013 6:23:30 PM , Rating: 4
But it isn't a knock against it. Since when was reality a negative? I don't expect people who have a cheap Android phone to use it in the same way that someone uses an HTC One, a GS4, or an iPhone. The OP was made because some people equate marketshare with usage and the type of hardware being used, which is false given online/sales metrics and the niche sales numbers of high end Android hardware.

quote:
Aside from fanbois like you, who cares about this?


It matters to me for the same reason that developers making more money on Windows than from Linux matters to me. The platform they make more money from means there will be a greater number of high quality apps. If developers made more money on a platform other than Windows (ie - Linux) then maybe I'd consider switching over.

I don't directly care that one platform is more profitable than the other. It is the indirect side effect of it being a primary developer target platform that matters to me.

quote:
FTL is boring on the PC and it's probably boring on a phone. Who cares?


FTL is awesome, quiet you. Trading Swiftkey for many more practical apps and games is a fair one for me. Every platform is about tradeoffs. Swiftkey is also necessary on Android, given that the default Google keyboard is so much worse at prediction and spellcheck than the iOS one. It really is bad.

The specific example of FTL doesn't matter either way, it is one application out of dozens that are either iOS first or exclusive. Its like someone saying they don't like MS Word and that's why they're on Linux. Knocking one example that is one representative tip of the iceberg completely misses the point.

Unless games and apps don't matter to you then that argument is irrelevant, you can switch "I don't like FTL" with any other app to try and make your point.


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By Reclaimer77 on 11/14/2013 6:40:21 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I don't directly care that one platform is more profitable than the other. It is the indirect side effect of it being a primary developer target platform that matters to me.


You know it seems like the more ground Apple gives up to Google, the more you change what's "important" to you.

First it was marketshare, then Apple lost that. So it became not important.

Then it was number of apps. Well Android is pretty much on par, so we don't talk about that anymore.

Then it was Apple's stock price. Oh look, Google owns that. So it's no longer important.


There were more but I can't even keep all the goal-post movement in my head. So when Android climbs whatever newer artificial hurtle you throw at it, what will be the new talking point Takin?

quote:
It is the indirect side effect of it being a primary developer target platform that matters to me.


Guess what? If ~80% of the market is using Android, it DOESN'T MATTER what the "primary" developer platform is. Because even if they're all missing something, they won't ever know about it!

Apple is moving further and further into irrelevancy and you're harping on developer support and who had better apps. Hello?


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By retrospooty on 11/14/13, Rating: 0
RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By TakinYourPoints on 11/17/2013 3:23:07 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I recall how it was browsing on Wifi battery life was the most important


Actually it was LTE battery life, but it still stands.

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph7335/58202...

The reason it hasn't come up is because nobody has mentioned it. It isn't something I've backed down from either, simply because it still has amazing battery life for something so small and powerful.

Would you like me to bring up battery life stats in a conversation about software ecosystem? I know going way off subject is standard for you. I can do that more if you'd like.


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By retrospooty on 11/17/2013 8:10:08 AM , Rating: 2
LOL... You are hilarious... Absolutely a lying sack o poo.

1. It was Wifi, you said it a hundred times. Wifi and LTE
2. You conveniently managed to find the one benchmark on that review (we all saw it) at Anandtech that or whatever reason they didn't include the LG G2 in the test (the one that is smoking it).

Whatever though, the iPhone is certainly good. The point is you change the goalposts when the platform you are here to defend loses its advantage. He has you nailed right there.

What you have now with the iPhone is a very slight speed difference, so slight its meaningless. And a better app catalog, by a slim margin, again, not an extremely meaningful one. I do agree with what you say about trade-offs... It's just that the list of "pro's" for the iPhone get smaller and smaller every year and your goalposts DO move with it.


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By TakinYourPoints on 12/3/2013 1:30:05 AM , Rating: 2
Since when was about double the performance meaningless? Since when was half the input lag meaningless? Since when was either getting exclusive apps or (at best) leading in app exclusivity by months or even years meaningless?

I get that you appreciate bigger screens and changing batteries and widgets. I respect that! Its the childish denial of where "your team" lags that's weird.

Seriously man, I know exactly where iOS falls short. You can't seem to sleep at night unless you know that Android leads in categories that it objectively doesn't.

Rational people accept the negatives are tradeoffs for the positives.


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By retrospooty on 12/3/2013 9:30:12 AM , Rating: 2
LOL... I just accidentally clicked on my history looking for a previous post and saw this... Here is a point you need to get. After 1-2 days the conversation is over. If you need to come back 2-3 weeks after to get the last word in you already lost, as everyone else moved on from this thread 2-3 weeks ago.

But since you posted "Since when was about double the performance meaningless? "

Now THAT would be something. If you look at ALL of the benchies between the iPhone 5s and any given Snapdragon 800, the difference is a few percent. Totally meaningless. As I have said a dozen times, a few extra "marks" on a synthetic test and a few extra frames on a game is meaningless on a smartphone.

" Since when was either getting exclusive apps or (at best) leading in app exclusivity by months or even years meaningless?"

Since both have exlusive apps and most top apps are available on both... Duh. You dont have enough info on Androids apps to make a qualified statement. We have proven that time and time again. You know jack.

"Rational people accept the negatives are tradeoffs for the positives."

Rational people dont come to the internet to defend a companies products like you. Rational people don't make up rediculously fake stats like "double the performance" Rational people dont come back 3 weeks late to try and win a debnate they already lost.

/drops the mic and walks off


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By TakinYourPoints on 12/3/2013 3:37:59 PM , Rating: 2
I was away for a few weeks, I don't literally live here to get the last word in like you do. Sorry!

quote:
Since both have exlusive apps and most top apps are available on both


The best apps are either cross-platform or are iOS exclusive, and the better versions are almost always on iOS with the inferior port on Android. Losing Alien Blue, Reeder, Playdek games, XCom, and the upcoming Hearthstone by going to Android would suck, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Even most Android fanatics realize what they're giving up in app selection and quality. They understand that at best they have to wait for a port, if a port arrives at all. This even applies to Google apps! Whenever I bring up specific examples you just ignore it. If you happen to find one app where this wasn't the case (and it was literally ONE app) you jump all over it like its a victory.

You're in more denial than the Iraqi Information Minister, really funny.


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By retrospooty on 12/3/2013 4:47:57 PM , Rating: 2
"The best apps are either cross-platform or are iOS exclusive, and the better versions are almost always on iOS with the inferior port on Android. Losing Alien Blue, Reeder, Playdek games, XCom, and the upcoming Hearthstone by going to Android would suck, and that's just the tip of the iceberg."

OMG it gets old listening to this silly crap. I don't care about phone or tablet games, so I wont even bother to comment, but come on Reeder? Press or Feedly are great alternatives and you would be missing nothing. I repeat, you dont know what you are talking about here. You might want to start paying more attention as every month that goes by you are more wrong than you were the previous month. At this point its just laughable listening to you go on and on about something that just isnt the case anymore. My god man, its almost 2014, not 2011 anymore.

"You're in more denial than the Iraqi Information Minister, really funny."

Funny coming from you, captain of 2 year old info, but whatever.

"I was away for a few weeks, I don't literally live here"

Nothing wrong with that, just understand that you don't respond within a day or two, the conversation is over . It makes me laugh to see you coming back weeks later and pasting as if you think anyone is still looking. I have seen it with you more than a few times when I go looking for old quotes, and there you are a week or more later posting back as if you think someone will see it. They wont. Like I said, it was by accident I even saw this. 2 days later, its off the front page and the thread is over.


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By TakinYourPoints on 12/3/2013 10:35:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
just understand that you don't respond within a day or two, the conversation is over


Yes, which is why you "happened" to return to comment the moment I posted a response.

Hypocrite. At least accept that you're the pot calling the kettle black.

Oh who am I kidding, you actually believe that a Moto G with slower hardware and inferior software does more than a top of the line iOS device because it has a removable battery and SD card slot.

If you can't see how objectively asinine that is when you're beyond zealotry.


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By retrospooty on 12/4/2013 12:16:13 AM , Rating: 2
"you actually believe that a Moto G with slower hardware and inferior software does more than a top of the line iOS device because it has a removable battery and SD card slot."

Yawn. Your twisting of words is tiresome. Note, I didnt say it was a better phone, nor faster, I said it "does more" and that is definitely correct. Any Android, even crappy 3 year old Gingerbread models "do more" than the iPhone 5, so the $179 G is no exception ( and the G doesnt even have SD or removeable battery btw) That is due to the huge list of missing functions from the iPhone. Like I always say, the iPhone is a high end phone with regards to speed, build, and apps and a very low end as far as features. Not sure why that fact bothers you so much, its not like both platforms features are a mystery, its all clearly listed in every spec sheet as I am sure you are aware. It obviously bugs you, but that is your issue, not mine.

As for posting back, I do regret it. I am done with your dumb on this thread. See you the next thread where the iPhone is mentioned in a negative light and you are compelled to defend it.


By TakinYourPoints on 12/5/2013 2:44:40 AM , Rating: 2
Apps are features. Software defines functionality.

SD card slots and removable batteries are casual low end features in comparison.

A Nintendo DS has those things, by your logic it has more features. Ridiculous.


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By Kiffberet on 11/15/2013 8:39:09 AM , Rating: 2
We all know you're an iHater, on a Apple Hatin' crusade and every single one of your posts spreads a bit more hate, but you still think Android, with 80% of the market, is a good thing?!?



By Cheesew1z69 on 11/15/2013 8:53:31 AM , Rating: 1
And we all know you are an iTroll..


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By retrospooty on 11/15/2013 11:13:44 AM , Rating: 1
"you still think Android, with 80% of the market, is a good thing?!?"

Whether its 82% or 2 % of the market, its still beats the crap out of the iPhone. The iPhone is a high end phone with regards to price, speed and apps and a low end bargain basement POS with regards to features supported. The $179 Moxo G does a ton more than the $650 iPhone 5.


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By Wazza1234 on 11/16/2013 7:25:03 AM , Rating: 2
You're like a teen troll on Yahoo comments.


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By Cheesew1z69 on 11/16/2013 8:24:39 AM , Rating: 1
Says the Apple troll....


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By Wazza1234 on 11/16/2013 4:42:32 PM , Rating: 2
Is your purpose on Dailytech simply to call everyone who writes normal, non-Apple hating comments a troll?

Where have I trolled about anything? You're a child.


By Cheesew1z69 on 11/16/2013 4:51:49 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
You're a child.
Um, yes, that must be it....


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By retrospooty on 11/17/2013 8:22:00 AM , Rating: 2
"Is your purpose on Dailytech simply to call everyone who writes normal, non-Apple hating comments a troll?"

I am pretty sure what he calls troll is people who come here to AT/DT to defend a company, like you, and angrily and aggressively defend everything a companies says, does and makes. That is a troll, and that is YOU.


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By Cheesew1z69 on 11/17/2013 8:31:01 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
You're like a teen troll on Yahoo comments.
And he says that after this...LOL


By Wazza1234 on 11/20/2013 8:03:31 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah because:

a) You actually trolled.
b) I contributed more than calling you a troll. You didn't.

Not difficult...

Still waiting for you t show me where I trolled...


By Wazza1234 on 11/20/2013 8:05:13 AM , Rating: 2
Huh? Which company did I defend? And where is your evidence for that?

You're the one hating companies, not me.


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By TakinYourPoints on 11/17/2013 3:32:55 AM , Rating: 2
Software is features, this isn't brain surgery. That you'd compare a low end smartphone running second rate apps against one of the best smartphones and mobile ecosystems on the market speaks volumes about your hilariously outrageous bias.


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By retrospooty on 11/17/2013 8:12:07 AM , Rating: 2
I am not saying its a better phone, but the $179 Moto G does do more than a $650 iPhone 5s. You can't deny it. You want the list again? I can post it if it makes you happy! ;)


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By Kiffberet on 11/18/2013 8:52:58 AM , Rating: 2
Whats a Moto G got? Changeable battery, SD card?


By TakinYourPoints on 12/3/2013 1:32:05 AM , Rating: 2
Yes. Both of which are better than silly things like faster hardware and better software.

You know. Silly things.


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By TakinYourPoints on 11/17/2013 3:55:03 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
You know it seems like the more ground Apple gives up to Google, the more you change what's "important" to you.


Nope, the same things have always mattered to me: horsepower and software library.

quote:
Then it was number of apps. Well Android is pretty much on par, so we don't talk about that anymore.


Oh no, I still talk about that a lot. I'm surprised that Android's software still lags behind iOS so significantly. All of next quarter are highly anticipated iOS apps that either aren't announced for Android or won't be getting a port until the end of the year at the soonest. Then again, I also expected high end Android hardware to surpass iOS this year, not stall out in the way that it has.

quote:
Then it was Apple's stock price. Oh look, Google owns that. So it's no longer important.


You're confusing me with someone else, I was never on the "AAPL to $1000" train. One of my best trades last year was selling call options against AAPL when it was between $650-$700, so again, no idea what you're on about.

And to be pedantic, you're actually wrong about stock price, AAPL's market cap is about $130 billion higher than GOOG's.

quote:
Guess what? If ~80% of the market is using Android, it DOESN'T MATTER what the "primary" developer platform is. Because even if they're all missing something, they won't ever know about it!


Tell that to all the Android users on forums and Youtube asking when the latest games, apps, even Google software, will get ported over from iOS. If something isn't exclusive then its usually a 6-12 month delay, and it sucks.

People know and they want to be better taken care of. They will be once revenue really starts to justify it.

Excusing away a lagging library is weird, it says a lot about all the mental hoops you're willing to jump through. I understand acknowledging this lag as a lame fact of life, but basically saying "software doesn't matter because screw Apple" is just as bizarre to me as a Linux zealot saying "screw software because eff Windows".

Platform zealotry is so weird. Pluses and minuses for everything, pick your poison, that's what I say.


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By retrospooty on 11/17/2013 8:19:07 AM , Rating: 3
"Platform zealotry is so weird. Pluses and minuses for everything, pick your poison, that's what I say."

Such an ironically conflicting statement coming from you. "pick your poison" a very true comment the way you frame it, yet you are all over this site being one of the HUGEST Apple zealots I have ever seen. You move the goalposts to whatever the "apple advantage of the day" is, and defend them as if your life depends on it and then at the end of every argument , come down of your soapbox and say something fair like " Pluses and minuses for everything, pick your poison, that's what I say." as if the one fair and unbiased sentence makes your constant bias go away.

Whatever... It's all good and we like what we like, but lets not play games and pretend you are something you arent.


By TakinYourPoints on 12/3/2013 1:36:53 AM , Rating: 2
Ah yes, the Apple zealot with the Haswell i7, 1TB SSD, and SLI GTX 680 PC that I assembled myself, just as I have for almost 20 years.

What a mactard! :p

I just go with the best hardware and software, that's it. There's no moving of goalposts here, I'm very consistent. You guys, like most forum "techies", seem to have a huge irrational problem with anything that has an Apple logo on it, even if they do a great job.

They can have the fastest mobile hardware with the best software (and what a coincidence, they do), but that doesn't matter because that irrational emotional switch in your head prevents any rational and objective thought because "hurr apple bad".

Forget about brands and free your mind dude


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By Cheesew1z69 on 11/14/2013 6:25:37 PM , Rating: 1
Says it's not a knock then calls it low end at the end..lol


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By Reclaimer77 on 11/14/2013 6:28:32 PM , Rating: 2
You would have to be autistic to not pick up on his obviously intentional condescending tone when he discusses Android. It's all low end cheap crap, nobody makes money off it, bla bla bla.


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By Cheesew1z69 on 11/14/2013 6:30:28 PM , Rating: 2
Of course, it's blatantly obvious the bias...


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By Reclaimer77 on 11/14/2013 6:48:21 PM , Rating: 2
Speaking of low-end, here's Apple's dirty little secret: A gigantic percentage of iPhone sales are old models like the iPhone 4 and 4S.

If those aren't "low end", I don't know what is!


By Kiffberet on 11/15/2013 8:49:43 AM , Rating: 2
You Hatin' statements defy logic:

How can selling older models at top prices be considered a dirty little secret?
In business, that's Nirvana!!!


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By Wazza1234 on 11/16/2013 7:27:47 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Speaking of low-end, here's Apple's dirty little secret: A gigantic percentage of iPhone sales are old models like the iPhone 4 and 4S.


1 - the iPhone 4 and 4S still cost more than the average Android handset price. By a long way. So compared to Android, they are high end. You maybe forgot how low the average Android handset is?

2 - Where is your evidence for this? Apple never breaks down the sales between the different models.


By TakinYourPoints on 11/17/2013 4:02:57 AM , Rating: 2
There is no evidence. As usual reclaimer is pulling "facts" out of thin air with no backup.

http://fortunebrainstormtech.files.wordpress.com/2...

The flagship 5 and 5S outsell every other iPhone by a very wide margin, 4 and 4S included. At less than 10%, a bottom end iPhone was the exact opposite of a "gigantic percentage".


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By TakinYourPoints on 11/17/2013 3:38:33 AM , Rating: 2
When did I say Android as a whole was low end?

Unlike some people here, I would never call something like the GS4 or HTC One low end, they clearly compete in specs and overlap usage with the iPhone.

You would have to be autistic to miss the overall point, which is that high end Android devices are a small niche compared to Android as a whole and iOS.

Something like the One or the GS4 or the Note would clearly get used for apps and online usage in ways similar to the iPhone. The thing is that the numbers of those devices used are small in comparison. Samsung's high end sales have slowed and make up an ever declining percentage of their smartphone sales (nearly 50% to about 20% in one year). LG's high end sales fell off a cliff and HTC is backing out of high end hardware.

The distribution of hardware types explains iOS having more than double the ad revenue, online usage, app revenue, than Android despite there being 5x as many Android devices out there.

I talk about reality and you guys come back with so much emotion, cheerleading, personal rhetoric, and misunderstanding. I don't see how "Android is mostly running on low end hardware" can be read as "Android is only on low end hardware". Saying that the HTC One or GS4 are low end is something I'd never do.

Google is very lucky to have fanboys like you guys, but I think even my friends there would be a bit wierded out by all this.


By Cheesew1z69 on 11/17/2013 8:38:06 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The lower app and online usage patterns are something that go with a platform that is almost entirely low end though.
My, how soon we forget, I guess when you troll for Apple everyday you tend to forget what you say...


By w8gaming on 11/14/2013 5:45:20 PM , Rating: 2
To know what forbes really think about the developer's revenue from the app stores. Read this instead:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tristanlouis/2013/08/1...


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By Reclaimer77 on 11/14/2013 6:18:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Apple makes more revenue in the cellular market than the top 5 manufacturers combined.


And how does that translate to a better experience for me - the end user?

We know Apple makes lots of money, thanks for the reminder. But so what?

quote:
So if you were an app developer, which platform would you want to focus your efforts on?


I'm assuming you're inferring the correct answer is iOS. So how do you explain Android having a healthy and thriving developer community?

Let's put this in a meaningful perspective. Android development is so robust, there are entire multiple app stores. Did you even consider that?

Do you see ANYTHING close to this kind of organic home-grown groundswell of support for a platform on the iOS side?

Making money obviously isn't the sole motivator for development. Android is similar to Windows in that aspect. Did you notice how many kick-ass Windows programs that have been made available over the decades completely free of charge?


By Wazza1234 on 11/16/2013 7:34:18 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
And how does that translate to a better experience for me - the end user?


1 - How does it translate to a better experience for you if Android has a large market share? Yet you've boasted about it all over several posts.
2 - Exactly the same argument can be made about Android hardware choices, how does it translate to a better experience for a Galaxy S4 user if Moto comes out with yet another failed phone? It has no impact whatsoever.
3 - The fact that all the revenue in the industry goes to iPhones is why iOS apps are higher quality, which is the direct benefit. Market share is measured in revenue, not units.

quote:
I'm assuming you're inferring the correct answer is iOS. So how do you explain Android having a healthy and thriving developer community?


For his argument to be correct it only has to be the case that Android apps (particularly paid apps - the good ones) are worse. And that is the case, even if that gap is reducing.

quote:
Let's put this in a meaningful perspective. Android development is so robust, there are entire multiple app stores


Oh yes, the multiple app stores, but only the official one is recommended if you want to avoid Malware. And the reason they were developed is because Google locks down their proprietary Play Store and denies access to any forked version of Android. And only the Play Store is even remotely comparable to iOS. I don't know why you think 3 fart apps on 3 inferior app stores is better than one.

quote:
Do you see ANYTHING close to this kind of organic home-grown groundswell of support for a platform on the iOS side?


Er, yes? Higher quality apps are on iOS and they tend to come out first. It's AHEAD, so the 'support for a platform' on Android is BEHIND.

quote:
Making money obviously isn't the sole motivator for development. Android is similar to Windows in that aspect. Did you notice how many kick-ass Windows programs that have been made available over the decades completely free of charge?


It is for most apps, and certainly the high quality ones.


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By ven1ger on 11/14/2013 6:53:54 PM , Rating: 2
That's sort of a foolish notion. Marketshare is and will be important especially for developers.

As a comparison, look at Windows and OS X, Windows has a greater amount of software and developers for Windows vs OS X. Windows has the larger marketshare.

Currently, Apple has a larger and more robust developer support because they were the best and they basically held the majority. Even MS is looking for a larger piece of the pie because that means you get development behind your system to produce apps. In a few years, if Android is able to maintain its marketshare or even if Apple's share gets smaller, developers may start moving to Android or even to MS if MS succeeds Apple share.

Apple does better with the more affluent users and those are the ones that will spend more for apps than Android users but over time that could change if developers decide that they rather spend resources over a larger group of users than for a smaller group of users. A mobile device will be handicapped if apps aren't available for it, Apple won't see this happening for awhile but if they keep losing marketshare, it'll be hard to justify developing for iOS if other platforms are more potential buyers.

Even the game consoles face this issue. The more marketshare a game console can achieve, chances are that developers will flock to develop for it because it means a greater chance of selling games to more users.


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By Wazza1234 on 11/16/2013 7:36:02 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
That's sort of a foolish notion. Marketshare is and will be important especially for developers.


Market share of revenue, not units, is what's important to developers.


By ven1ger on 11/18/2013 6:34:34 PM , Rating: 2
Now explain to what the hell is Market share of revenue, and why would that be important to developers. Last I saw, the number of units that developers can sell their products to usually come to mind. Selling to 2 million units gives the developer a greater chance of selling their wares than to 1 million units as an example. Developers don't get a slice of the revenue off of any units that Apple sells, so don't see why that would be important to developers, usually its apple that get a good slice off what developers sells.


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By danbob999 on 11/14/2013 9:39:00 PM , Rating: 2
Important to whom? The shareholders? Maybe. But not for the user.

If you want to develop a free application to get the largest audience (say you are a media, or you make your money otherwise, or are just developping for fun but still want your app to be used) then you target Android first. If you have some spare time left you can target iOS. You shouldn't loose time on the rest.

If you want to develop an application to make a profit, then you can target iOS first and then Android. But most users won't care about your application no matter how good it is. Honestly, I can't think of a single paid application which would make people buy an iPhone. Paid apps are over-rated. Most people, on all platforms, don't buy any. And when they do, they don't use it because they find a free one which works better the next day.

There are now more free application on Android than on iOS. And the gap will only widen as long as Android outsells the iPhone 82:12 or so. Not only in quantity but in quality.


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By Wazza1234 on 11/16/2013 7:40:34 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Important to whom? The shareholders? Maybe. But not for the user.


Important to the developers. You know, the ones who create pretty much all of the smartphone functionality.

quote:
If you want to develop a free application to get the largest audience (say you are a media, or you make your money otherwise, or are just developping for fun but still want your app to be used) then you target Android first


Absolutely wrong. Firstly, if you're trying to get a large audience it's typically with the intention of selling something, maybe ads, maybe products. iOS users click and buy far more. Secondly, market share of Android is higher but actual usage and downloads of apps, isn't. Developers would still target iOS first even if distribution was their aim. Most Android phones are not used.

quote:
But most users won't care about your application no matter how good it is. Honestly, I can't think of a single paid application which would make people buy an iPhone


This quote is just quite simply 100% wrong. There are hundreds of paid apps which are the reasons a LOT of people stick with iOS.

quote:
Most people, on all platforms, don't buy any


Most people on iOS do buy apps.

quote:
And when they do, they don't use it because they find a free one which works better the next da


No, they pay for it because a free version doesn't exist or because you get higher quality.

quote:
There are now more free application on Android than on iOS


Yes, because people on Android aren't willing to pay for stuff. Which means there's less incentive for developers to make their apps as good. The higher quality apps remain on iOS.


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By Cheesew1z69 on 11/16/2013 8:23:18 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Most Android phones are not used.
Right, because Apple told you this? LOL


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By Wazza1234 on 11/16/2013 4:41:00 PM , Rating: 2
Why do you think it's indicative of an Apple bias to be aware of the fact that despite having 80%+ market share, Android devices make up less usage than iOS devices?

That alone tells you that Android phones are used far less, which is the point being made.

Why can't you just accept that reality, instead of accusing me of siding with Apple like an immature child.


By Cheesew1z69 on 11/16/2013 4:53:19 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
immature child
Yep, totally nailed it! /me rolls eyes


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By TakinYourPoints on 11/17/2013 4:24:57 AM , Rating: 2
Apparently stating the reality of iOS having over double the online usage, app revenue, and ad revenue means that you are biased.

This is like arguing about evolution with creationists. No amount of rational explanation matters, because bias.

quote:
That alone tells you that Android phones are used far less, which is the point being made.


The more relevant point is that high-end Android phones are being used, any high end device would be. Someone would obviously use a GS4 or a One more like someone would use an iPhone. There are just much fewer of them out there compared to iOS and the majority of Android devices out there. Plateauing or declining sales figures (depending on if you are Samsung or not) back this up further.


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By retrospooty on 11/18/2013 6:56:54 AM , Rating: 2
A repost from Solandri, but you seemed to have missed the memo. Another one of your myths debunked.

http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=33408...


RE: iOS Is For Revenue, Android Is For Ads
By TakinYourPoints on 12/3/2013 1:25:30 AM , Rating: 2
And there are numerous metrics that point the other way, plus there are undeniable differences that remain in mobile ad revenue. It remains less than half of iOS according to Google and anyone I know that does cross-platform development.

But feel free to pick whatever fits your bias, helps you sleep better at night, etc :)


By TakinYourPoints on 12/3/2013 2:25:47 AM , Rating: 2
And as for Solandri, just a few days ago he was making excuses for the manufacturers (Samsung, HTC, etc) that Anandtech caught cheating on mobile benchmarks, the same ones that Futuremark delisted from their performance database.

You're really looking to him for no bias? Oh, wait, almost forgot who I was talking to...


Ummm
By NellyFromMA on 11/14/2013 10:23:37 AM , Rating: 3
The headline says 82%, but that number or any number near it isn't really depicted anywhere in the DT article. The only number close seems specific to Lenovo?

Despite that, I'd be curious to see the Android marketshare broken out into marketshare per Android version. I wonder how much of these devices are 2.x devices.




RE: Ummm
By doughtree on 11/14/2013 10:31:45 AM , Rating: 2
RE: Ummm
By NellyFromMA on 11/14/2013 10:49:10 AM , Rating: 2
Sweet. Thanks man.


RE: Ummm
By Shig on 11/14/13, Rating: 0
RE: Ummm
By retrospooty on 11/14/2013 11:42:17 AM , Rating: 2
"Most of android users are still on 2.x"

No...

26% are on 2.x
72% are on 4 or better
52% are on 4.1 or better

http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/inde...


RE: Ummm
By ven1ger on 11/14/2013 3:48:05 PM , Rating: 2
To play the Devil's Advocate. The numbers represent only the numbers that can be tracked via Google Play store. So there may be outliers that do not use Google Play. The outliers most likely represent statistically a few percentage points, but should not detract much from the numbers given. So, the numbers you cite probably paint a more realistic picture of the distribution, instead of the other just making up the percentages.

Some posters like to play fast and loose with the facts but I thought I should just mention it to be pedantic.


RE: Ummm
By retrospooty on 11/14/2013 3:55:04 PM , Rating: 2
"I thought I should just mention it to be pedantic."

GOAL! ;)


RE: Ummm
By xti on 11/14/2013 4:07:24 PM , Rating: 2
while I would throw out the 2.x numbers (that just screams $0.01 phones and chinese rip offs that don't help the advancement of cell phones), this just shows the dominance when you approach the business model of OS first vs OEM first.

might be a different story if there were 3rd party iOS phone manufactures, but thats a different conversation.


RE: Ummm
By spectralsarah on 11/14/2013 10:36:55 AM , Rating: 1
100% - 12.1% Apple - x% Blackberry = 82% Android


RE: Ummm
By Flunk on 11/14/2013 10:47:40 AM , Rating: 3
Blackwhat? I think you're mistaken as to who has a horse in the race here.

100% - 81.9% Android - iOS 12.1% - Windows Phone 3.6% = 2.4% for miscellaneous non-brandname OSes (E.G. Firefox OS, Ubuntu Phone, BB10, Symbian, Tizen, MS-DOS, Amiga for Phones, Aperture Labs Mobile)


RE: Ummm
By Argon18 on 11/14/13, Rating: -1
RE: Ummm
By retrospooty on 11/14/2013 11:43:58 AM , Rating: 5
"Funny how the Wintards are suspiciously silent here. Perhaps its because nobody wants a crap OS from Redmond on their phone?"

Not entirely true... 3.6% of smartphone purchasers in Q3 wanted it. ;)

http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2623415


RE: Ummm
By Cheesew1z69 on 11/14/2013 12:54:55 PM , Rating: 2
It seems he can't read either since the post he replied to said that...


RE: Ummm
By Motoman on 11/14/2013 5:01:21 PM , Rating: 4
Well, in fairness, 3.6% is fairly close to "nobody." Kind of like Mac marketshare.


RE: Ummm
By nafhan on 11/15/2013 12:43:33 PM , Rating: 2
To be fair to Macs... About 7.3% concentrated at the high end of the market is a lot more substantial than 3.6% concentrated on the low end of the market.


RE: Ummm
By Mitch101 on 11/14/2013 2:29:26 PM , Rating: 2
So what your saying is Microsoft makes money on 85.6% of the mobile devices out there and only has to support 3.6% of the Mobile device market sold?

Microsoft is generating $2 billion per year in revenue from Android patent royalties.

I enjoy my Windows Phone it does what I need and is reliable. What more do you want from a smartphone? I dont feel the need for it to be faster or have a bigger screen but if I did there are options. It already has an incredible camera and maps doesn't require a constant data connection sucking up my data plan. Ok hate on it and buy another Android Microsoft is still making money off you.


RE: Ummm
By Reclaimer77 on 11/14/2013 8:49:04 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Ok hate on it and buy another Android Microsoft is still making money off you.


And you sleep better at night knowing that too I guess?

What a fanboi. Extolling Microsoft's patent trolling as some kind of positive...


RE: Ummm
By Mitch101 on 11/14/2013 9:59:56 PM , Rating: 2
Ill throw you a pity party.

Google had the opportunity to join the patent purchase that would give them leverage to cross license but they decided they didn't need to so now their vendors are paying the price.

Don't cry a river of patent trolling when its their own fault Google tries to strong arm everyone else with their Motorola patents too but I guess that's not trolling. How myopic of you.


RE: Ummm
By xti on 11/14/2013 4:03:30 PM , Rating: 2
um excuse me where is my PrimeCo??!?


RE: Ummm
By ilt24 on 11/14/2013 12:19:20 PM , Rating: 2
While by vendor vs. OS, this data from a Q3'13 by Strategy Analytics, shows Blackberry is now down to 1%.

Global Smartphone Vendor Market Share %
Samsung 35.0%
Apple 13.4%
Huawei 5.0%
Lenovo 4.8%
LG 4.7%
Sony 4.0%
Coolpad 3.6%
Nokia 3.5%
ZTE 3.4%
TCL-Alcatel 2.1%
Xiaomi 2.1%
HTC 1.8%
Motorola 1.7%
BlackBerry 1.0%
Pantech 0.5%
Sharp 0.4%
Fujitsu 0.2%
Acer 0.1%
NEC - Casio - Hitachi 0.1%
Panasonic 0.1%
Others 12.8%
Total 100.0%

Note sure how easy this will be to use, but here are unit and % data for Samsung, Apple and Blackberry, which show how dramatic Samsung's rise and Blackberry's fall have been.

Global Smartphone Vendor Shipments (Millions of Units) Q1 '10 Q2 '10 Q3 '10 Q4 '10 Q1 '11 Q2 '11 Q3 '11 Q4 '11 Q1 '12 Q2 '12 Q3 '12 Q4 '12 Q1 '13 Q2 '13 Q3 '13
Samsung 2.7 3.1 7.5 10.7 12.6 20.2 28.1 36.5 44. 4 48.7 56.9 63.0 69.4 76.0 88.4
Apple 8.8 8.4 14.1 16.2 18.6 20.3 17.1 37.0 35.1 26.0 26.9 47.8 37.4 31.2 33.8
BlackBerry 10.6 11.2 12.4 14.6 13.8 12.5 11.8 13 .4 11.0 7.3 7.4 7.4 7.4 5.7 2.5


Global Smartphone Vendor Marketshare % Q1 '10 Q2 '10 Q3 '10 Q4 '10 Q1 '11 Q2 '11 Q3 '11 Q4 '11 Q1 '12 Q2 '12 Q3 '12 Q4 '12 Q1 '13 Q2 '13 Q3 '13
Samsung 4.8% 5.0% 9.3% 10.6% 12.2% 18.3% 23.4% 2 3.2% 28.9% 31.1% 32.9% 29.0% 32.4% 32.6% 35.0%
Apple 15.9% 13.5% 17.4% 16.1% 18.1% 18.4% 14.3% 23.6% 22.8% 16.6% 15.6% 22.0% 17.5% 13.4% 13.4%
BlackBerry 19.1% 17.9% 15.3% 14.5% 13.4% 11.3% 9 .8% 8.5% 7.2% 4.7% 4.3% 3.4% 3.5% 2.4% 1.0%



RE: Ummm
By ilt24 on 11/14/2013 12:28:36 PM , Rating: 2
Found the version with the OS data:

Global Smartphone OS Shipments (Millions of Units)
Android 205.9
Apple iOS 33.8
Microsoft 10.3
Blackberry OS 2.5
Bada 0.3
Firefox OS 0.1
Total 252.9

Global Smartphone OS Market Share %
Android 81.42%
Apple iOS 13.36%
Microsoft 4.07%
Blackberry OS 0.99%
Bada 0.12%
Firefox OS 0.04%
Total 100.00%


RE: Ummm
By mjv.theory on 11/14/2013 11:00:34 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
When it comes to smartphone OS share, Android is by far the most dominant player with 81.9% of the market.


Ummm, so don't you think that 81.9% might be considered to "any number near" to 82% ?. Just a thought.


RE: Ummm
By Motoman on 11/14/2013 11:57:21 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
When it comes to smartphone OS share, Android is by far the most dominant player with 81.9% of the market.


Just in case he misses it again.


RE: Ummm
By NellyFromMA on 11/19/2013 11:38:44 AM , Rating: 2
That line wasn't in the original article, it was amended after the fact. Don't you think the first commenters were just as rabid as you to try and say the same thing you did?


RE: Ummm
By Tony Swash on 11/14/13, Rating: -1
RE: Ummm
By retrospooty on 11/14/2013 11:50:17 AM , Rating: 3
LOL... Anything to try and detrqt from news that doesnt make Apple appear to be shining... Go home Tony, we all know your bag of tricks.


RE: Ummm
By ClownPuncher on 11/14/2013 12:50:52 PM , Rating: 4
Tony doesn't have a whole bag of tricks, it's just one trick, and it's a broken trick to boot.


RE: Ummm
By retrospooty on 11/14/2013 1:28:18 PM , Rating: 2
I know... I was just being generous.


RE: Ummm
By Kiffberet on 11/15/2013 8:30:25 AM , Rating: 2
retrospooty, are you that guy from the comic book store on the Simpsons?


RE: Ummm
By Fleeb on 11/14/2013 12:20:44 PM , Rating: 2
Doesn't change anything.


Honeycomb?
By elleehswon on 11/14/2013 2:34:11 PM , Rating: 2
So, did honeycomb actually ever make it onto a smartphone? I thought honeycomb was tablet specific, no? why is it referenced in the smartphone stats?




RE: Honeycomb?
By The Von Matrices on 11/14/2013 5:30:13 PM , Rating: 2
Those aren't smartphone statistics; those are overall Android statistics. Otherwise why would there be a separate section accounting for screen sizes >10" Have you ever seen a 10" smartphone?


RE: Honeycomb?
By elleehswon on 11/15/2013 9:10:51 AM , Rating: 2
soon


By Creig on 11/14/2013 12:45:48 PM , Rating: 2
you're calculating it wrong.




By TacticalTrading on 11/15/2013 5:01:43 PM , Rating: 2
Just like what happened to them with PCs
Granted, they make more money on their share than the rest of the market... But how long with that last?

Note: I wish I had an iPhone... LOL




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