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Gaming in the land of sand.

Video gaming has evolved much since the days of walking into an arcade with a pocket full of quarters. Entire gaming “cultures” took shape and form all over the world and the games industry has evolved to be as big as the music and movie industries. We all know about Asian, American and European gaming, each similar but different in their own little ways, but what about other places like Africa, South America and the Middle East? While I cannot talk about the first two places, I can definitely provide some interesting insight on the last one.

The common stereotype surrounding the Middle East is that it is a region of conflict, sand, dust, and terrorist Arabs and while that may be true in many parts, there are some surprising similarities to Western life, in particular gaming.

Waleed Al-Suwaimel is a Middle Eastern gamer from Saudi Arabia who enjoys PC gaming: “Saudi Arabia has a large community of dedicated PC gamers and the most active game servers [of] the Middle East. [But] video gaming in general is popular everywhere in the world.”

Ahmed Bin Shams is another Middle Eastern gamer from Bahrain who described the average Middle Eastern gamer as being from 15 up to 25. “About 85% of all online Arab players play Counter-Strike: Source, Halo 3 and Battlefield 2. We are almost the same [as Western gamers] but in less numbers.”

Although there are some differences: “I think Western gamers are more dedicated because [games] could be played professionally” but not in the Middle East due to a lack of investors. There are no major gaming centers and most people do not consider electronic sports interesting. “We play more for fun and interest,” said Waleed.

Many Middle Eastern governments have banned games, such as Call of Duty 4 for taking place in the Middle East and Grand Theft Auto 4 for obvious reasons. However, God of War was banned not because of its violent and adult content, but for the act of killing gods in-game, regardless of the fact that they are ancient Greek gods.

Some Middle Eastern governments have even proposed an all-out ban on games, such as Afghanistan which put playing video games as being against Islamic morals and fineable between $10 and $104. This law, thankfully, has yet to pass; it has received a lot of opposition for being a rehash of old, traditional Taliban laws.

However, this does not stop Middle Eastern gamers for a second: “Over 90% of video gamers here buy pirated [game] copies,” said Waleed. Games, PC hardware and consoles are some of the most popular black market items sold in the Middle East. In addition, if it is not on the black market it will most likely be on the Internet.

Games in the Middle East lack a dedicated ratings system seen elsewhere, like the USA’s Entertainment Software Ratings Board or the EU’s Pan-European Game Information. Ahmed states that most Arab family members know what is best for each other without having to look at the ratings tag.

Unfortunately most Middle Eastern governments think otherwise and would unfairly judge a game based only on its cover, description and/or title and ban it if they believe it goes against Islamic or government values, which are often synonymous, regardless of the actual game.

Gaming in the Middle East is not a new fad according to Waleed: “My brothers had the legendary Atari 2600 games console in our house when it just came out in the late ‘70s and I played it as a little kid. Video gaming [in the Middle East] was adopted just as fast as it was for things like Western cinema or industrial revolutions. Throughout the years, I’ve always seen that the local video gaming scene was always up to what was/is a current generation of gaming in the West.”

Unfortunately for most of the inhabitants of the region, Internet speeds and latency is atrocious. Middle Eastern gamers suffer from terrible pings and the inability to join most servers online that are not Arab. The cost to have an Internet connection to begin with is extremely high so the online Middle Eastern gaming scene is not as active as perhaps the single-player one.

The developer side of gaming in the Middle East is a very different one: “Games either come from [the] US, Japan or Europe. There are very few game developers in the Arab world and their releases are mostly for kids and education,” said Waleed. However, Arab game developers are not limited to just kids games.

Syrian developer Afkar, the most prominent Arab developer in the Middle East, developed two controversial but highly successful first-person shooter games based on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict called UnderAsh and its sequel UnderSiege. Both games focus on the alleged brutality and evil of the Israelis and the supposed suffering of the Palestinians.

Lebanese terrorist group Hezbollah produced two games based on their conflicts with Israel called Special Force and Special Force 2 where the player’s job is simply killing Israelis.

But not all Arab-developed games are based on ideological and political conflict. Afkar, the same people that made the controversial UnderAsh and UnderSiege, is busy making a Civilization-like strategy game called Quraish. Quraish or Al Quraish takes place during the first century of Islamic history and aims at providing a truthful account of the events that gave birth to Islam, much to the chagrin of both the West and Islamic extremists who worry the game will not endorse their accounts of what they believe happened.

UAE- and Jordanian-based company Quirkat released Arabian Lords last October with help from US-based BreakAway Games. Arabian Lords allows you to play a merchant during Islam’s golden age and participate in trade, not conflict, and learn about Islam and Arab history.

What do Middle Eastern gamers think about these games? “They all mostly suck,” said Ahmed Bin Shams.

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No problem
By FITCamaro on 5/15/2008 3:22:33 PM , Rating: 1
I've got no beef with gamers in the middle east. Only terrorist groups making games that are clearly anti-American or anti-Israel(not like I actually care about Israel though).

Sad though that the governments there stifle what games are available based off their religious beliefs. Sure Call of Duty 4 takes place in the Middle East. But it isn't against any one government. Or any real life person or actual events. Sure it was done in the Middle East because thats where a lot of the conflict is now. Before the Middle East it was the Russians or the North Vietnamese. They're not trying to make a political statement, just trying to make a storyline that is at least partially believable.

RE: No problem
By Teancum on 5/15/2008 5:13:13 PM , Rating: 5
"Terrorists Win!"
"Counter Terrorists Win!"
"Protect the VIP, Team!"

RE: No problem
By Kenenniah on 5/15/2008 5:53:59 PM , Rating: 4
In a general "feeling" sense I agree with you, I don't like the idea of anti-American or anti-Israeli games. When I distance myself and think rationally however, I find that feeling somewhat hippocritical. It's somewhat common nature to believe those on the other side of the fence to be "evil". Let's face it, the US and Israel aren't totally innocent and perfect, and there are valid reasons for some to think of us as the enemy. Especially after propaganda machines work their magic and skew things into an even darker light. Remember people's perspectives are based on their own view of history, whether correct or incorrect. They believe what they do about Israel and the US because that's what they've been taught all their lives.

Is that really any different than my growing up being told that Russia was a big evil empire that was out to get us? Are our games really any different? Countless games have had us killing those "evil commie bastards" because we percieved the USSR to be an enemy. Since many perceive us and Isreal as enemies is it any suprise that some of their games reflect the same? It's hard for us to see things from that perspective since we believe we are the good guys. Don't get me wrong, I do believe that for the most part the US is on the right side, but they have a right to think the opposite.

For Call of Duty, try switching it around. You've already inferred that a game killing Americans would offend you. How about a game in which Arabs don't fight Americans, but instead random no country Westerners. Even though I'm writing this I'm not sure I really agree with the argument. The reason I bring it up however, is that I can see where someone else might. In a general sense, much of the problems between us is one of ideology where countries don't matter. Some Middle Easterners think all Westerners are evil and out to get them, and of course the opposite is true. I've seen people that believe all Arabs are terrorist fanatics. With all that in mind, I can possibly see where some might take offense to a game against a "generic" Middle East.

RE: No problem
By Reclaimer77 on 5/15/2008 6:40:59 PM , Rating: 1
Ken, can I call you Ken?

Ken I see what your saying and have a few good points. Theres no delicate way to put this so I'll just come out and say it. You don't appear to realize how impressionable these people are. Lets face it, there is a serious problem in the Middle East. I know from personal experience how addictive games and PC's are. But anti-western games played on a massive Middle Eastern scale ? I don't know about you but that frankly worries me.

Yes, in America we often have kids who do horrible things and blame games. But I think most of us are smart enough to see this is just a ploy of his defense attorney.

Again, no delicate way to say this, but some of those people are blowing themselves into pizza toppings, and taking others with them, over some kind of perverted idealism we can't even begin to fathom.

Middle Eastern gaming doesn't bother me. But like you admit yourself, anti-western games don't sit well with you either. Its not the game itself, its what more - shall we say radical elements of their society might use them for.

/shrug. Let the downrating commence.

RE: No problem
By Kenenniah on 5/15/2008 7:28:53 PM , Rating: 2
Call me Ken all ya like!

I do see your point about how they could be used wrongly, but one could also use the US Army's attempt at indoctrination through a game in the same light. Now I know that America's Army probably doesn't make kids join the Army, but some could argue that. :)

Kidding aside, my post was more about looking at it rationally from a detached distance. To be fair in that sense, they have every right to make games about perceived enemies in the same way we do. It follows the same lines as....

How can the US tell other countries they can't go nuclear when we have stockpiles and are the only ones to have ever used one in anger?
How can the US tell other countries they have to do what the UN says, when we disregard it completely when desired?
The bottom line is, we butt in and tell other countries what they can and can't do all the time regardless of our own record. From a pure fairness standpoint (which I was going after in my original post) this is all highly unfair, and I could see why people criticise the US for it.

However, when I undistance myself and step back into my reality I believe the US government is for the most part doing exactly what it should be. The government's job isn't to be fair to other countries. It's job is to protect the lives and interests of US citizens, period. A nuclear armed Iran isn't in our best security interests, so it's the government's job to stand in the way fair or not. If the UN tells the US to act contrary to its best interests, once again fairness be damned in my opinion. And if a game is being used for terrorist training and indoctrination by all means stop it any way you can.

Hippocritical? Very, but since the world isn't perfect that's exactly how I want the US to be. Just because I can understand how some of our policies make them hate us and I can realize they have different perspectives, it doesn't mean we should play nice.

RE: No problem
By FITCamaro on 5/16/2008 12:13:54 PM , Rating: 2
How can the US tell other countries they can't go nuclear when we have stockpiles and are the only ones to have ever used one in anger?

Here in the US we have little chance of some rogue general selling a nuclear bomb to a terrorist group. In Iran, not only is the possibility of something like that high, we also know that the government itself DO fund terrorism. So yes, we'll do all we can to keep nuclear weapons out of a government like thats hands. Regardless of how many nuclear weapons we have ourselves.

And we did not use a nuclear weapon in anger or aggressively. We did so to end a war, not start one. And end it with fewer casualties on both sides than conventional warfare would have allowed.

And I think a typical Army poster far more glorifies joining the Army than America's Army ever does. Yes its a bit of a recruitment tool. But it does nothing to encourage kids to join the Army. If anything its pretty realistic and shows them how easily one can be killed in battle.

RE: No problem
By Kenenniah on 5/16/2008 12:37:45 PM , Rating: 2
Once again do I have to actually point this out????
All that stuff is looking at it from THEIR point of view. I think I made it pretty clear that I AGREE with what the US has done. Hell, I'm pretty sure the "Kidding aside" after the America's Army comment made it pretty damn clear that I was joking about it.

Also "used in anger" generally means used in war. I never said it was a bad thing for the US to do, and I agree it probably saved more lives than it took.

RE: No problem
By Kenenniah on 5/16/2008 12:49:06 PM , Rating: 2
To put it another way, you don't have to try to convince me of any of this. I know the reasons for not wanting Iran etc. to have nuclear weapons, and pretty much everything you say I actually agree with. All I'm really doing is playing devil's advocate. Just tihnk about how someone from Iran might view our policies. As an American I will probably never agree with their perspectives, but it never hurts to just try to look through their eyes for better understanding.

RE: No problem
By BZDTemp on 5/19/2008 5:31:15 PM , Rating: 2
I don't like Iran having THE bomb anymore than I like anyone else having it!

Here in the US we have little chance of some rogue general selling a nuclear bomb to a terrorist group. In Iran, not only is the possibility of something like that high, we also know that the government itself DO fund terrorism. So yes, we'll do all we can to keep nuclear weapons out of a government like thats hands. Regardless of how many nuclear weapons we have ourselves.

I have a hard time seeing it so black and white. For example it seems the US is perfectly fine with Israel having THE bomb and it is not really like all it's leaders seem so democratic. And as for the funding of terrorist the history is full of examples showing one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter plus it is not above the US to fund terrorist! Right now there is for example rumors of Afghan death squads being US controlled!

And we did not use a nuclear weapon in anger or aggressively. We did so to end a war, not start one. And end it with fewer casualties on both sides than conventional warfare would have allowed.

Actually that is up for debate! My view is that the nuclear weapons could have been demoed on some isolated Islands with the same effect as using Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It is one thing to drop a bomb on soldiers and a totally different one to drop it civilians. No one was innocent in the WWII and it was not just the Nuclear bombs or for that matter the Nazi death camps. THe V1, the V2's the shelling of Russian cities but also the fire bombing of cities by the Allies... As always the victorious write the history!

And I think a typical Army poster far more glorifies joining the Army than America's Army ever does. Yes its a bit of a recruitment tool. But it does nothing to encourage kids to join the Army. If anything its pretty realistic and shows them how easily one can be killed in battle.

If we really want the Middle East to move in the direction of our way of life we need to allow them to have the same freedom we have and not come running with our double standards. It is not just the AA game as there are tons of games showing the people of the Middle East as evil, stupid or worse and don't get me started one Hollywood movies.

Imagine that some of the games made in the west was about rebuilding Iraq or finding water in the desserts. Or protecting historic sites from Arab culture from being plundered by treasure hunters (think Indiana Jones types). Such games could be great fun and also show a positive way of communicating between west and east.

RE: No problem
By KessGarrido on 5/16/2008 2:12:45 PM , Rating: 2
Yup. Most of my Middle Eastern friends agree with that, too. However, as said in the blog, most Middle Eastern governments will just look at the game and judge it completely by what it looks like and not by what it is.

"Oh, it looks like you get to kill Arabs: BAN!"

The thing is: you get to kill Americans, too. Also there are Russians in the game, so it is not like Infinity Ward was targeting just Arabs.

RE: No problem
By Nik00117 on 5/16/2008 5:33:26 PM , Rating: 2
COD4 man, a bunch of arab terrorists launching a nuke as some SAS and American soldiers run around killing them?

Middle east isn't like the western world, I also never suspect it to become like the western world. However them banning COD4 isn't offensive to me in any manner. The game is offensive to them,a dn quite frankly thats ok. I don't hold middle eastern countries to the same freedom level as I would Europe or America.

Quite frankly, the most common theme in first person shooters I have seen has to do with the western world fighting a terroristic organization. Terrorists typically being middle eastern islamic based.

So them making games about killing isreal people is to be expected.

Also you got any idea on who truly backs Israel 100% I mean like nearly agrees and supports everything they do? Germany? UK? France? I think not, America, in fact in the UN there has been resolutions passed 190-2 simply comdeming isreal for actions its done in wartime. American of course vetos such resolutions. Israel isn't inccoent, and Israel better be glad that I'm not President, cause I'd tell them they no longer can relay on American's undying generosity.

RE: No problem
By KessGarrido on 5/17/2008 3:33:05 AM , Rating: 3
Not one country is innocent, period.

RE: No problem
By FITCamaro on 5/19/2008 8:08:01 AM , Rating: 2
How did this get rated down? Christ some people are bitter.

RE: No problem
By LatinMessiah on 5/20/08, Rating: 0
RE: No problem
By James Wood Carter on 5/20/2008 6:39:22 PM , Rating: 2
Think game produces makes games that sell period, games which most people can relate to seem to catch more attention. And sadly most people think that middle-east are terrorist breeding grounds.

like EA Sports once said.. "It's In The Game!!"
By Waleed7t9 on 5/18/2008 6:03:05 AM , Rating: 5
Hi all, I'm Waleed Al-Suwaimel, the guy interviewed in the article.
While I think the article lacks a lot of aspects related to "gaming" that worth investigating and reporting, I still thank the writer for the efforts made to putting up an article about that something i'm really interested in. that is "gaming".

But the thing that bothers me (other than mentioning Hezbuallah as "terrist group" becasue they're not, yes i'm sure there arabs somewhere out there attempting attacks towards foreigns and that is very bad. the we here surely disapprove it! but those who fight an invader.. you go figure).. Well, please let's not speak of the political views, that's not what I said bothers me. it's all part of the great mix-ups! I could go on about how people in the west mix things about the east and vise versa till this keyboard melts down! again, you go figure.

Now to the point: Why when there's a "certain topic" in the middle east, the cream on top must be the political and reoligous conflics here??!? I thought this article is about "Gaming", gaming is gaming. it's entertainment. the negative/postive (to some evil/good) things about gaming is just like it is in most other things!!
You see, I'm also into music, rock music. there are local bands here which i'm involved at. we once had a reporter from CNN, He showed interest in putting out a report to CNN channel, But God it was sick!! That reporter was obviously trying to a send a subliminal political message where it was like "hey the world! look at what i've just discovered! the Saudi people like our music and they're very friendly!"
The "Music" itself and the bands achievments where just a side-topic! in a very polished way!

Unfortuntely, I did see that again in this article. non-gaming topics about the middle east were forced or embosed, to a degree were it's not about "gaming" anymore! the disscutions here proves that!
but hello, we are gamers.. y'know, the same type who sit infront of a screen and have fun!!
It's just so lame to blame games in rising hostility at a nation level! HELLO!!! one would at least sound better off blaming it on religion than video games!!

Thanks to all who wrote comments, I read them all.
I'm not sorry for my bad English.

By KessGarrido on 5/18/2008 9:28:35 AM , Rating: 2
Hehe: "I'm not sorry for my bad English." xD

Thanks for posting, Waleed. Are your arguments directed towards my blog post or the other posters that are carrying out separate discussions?

By Waleed7t9 on 5/19/2008 1:58:00 AM , Rating: 2
a mixture of both! :p

well, what i said is not "directed" more than just placing it down. I'm not one to speak for the middle east, arabs or muslims. It's just that "1" point where (party1) fine-select what they wanna judge about (party2).

By Waleed7t9 on 5/20/2008 6:47:54 AM , Rating: 2
you lack the very basic, no but actually the primitive aspect of having a discussion. playing hard-tounged and swearing.
Your attitude answers you and don't deserve the attention you're trying to cause. it's obvious you know a little about each conflict in the world individually and only speak of the gerenal ideas that are generaly adopted by the public.
I will not insault you back, one can just read your post.
you talk rubish and then you're affraid about your online rating?!? where would we go with this?
you're highly urged to grow out of your frame. where did you stop reading this time?

By FITCamaro on 5/19/2008 8:11:29 AM , Rating: 4
They are a terrorist group. Terrorist groups intentionally target, attack, and kill innocent civilians. They do. The US does not. Israel does not. Do civilians on the other side get hurt or killed sometimes? Yes. But they weren't the target.

Tell your buddies to stop hiding in schools, homes, etc. and we won't injure any more civilians.

By Waleed7t9 on 5/20/2008 6:54:14 AM , Rating: 3
"The US does not. Israel does not."

pls. re-read on facts. I was not even denfending Hezbullah, I asked to differ. But to say that Israel does not kill innocent people is just like slapping the truth. they don't only kill civilians, they bulldozer-destory their house running over them!! i don't know why i'm even saying this! where do you people come from? where do get to read or watch news?!? wonder!

By Master Kenobi on 5/20/2008 1:14:18 PM , Rating: 3
I'm aware that some in the arab world view Hezbullah and Hamas as freedom fighters, and charitable organizations since they do fund the construction of public buildings as well as attack civilian targets(see: Cowards).

I also have to disagree with that thought. The world would be a far better place if such organizations never existed. I think the U.S., Israel, and others have every right to exercise deadly force at any time to eliminate members of these organizations. If they want to hide behind civilians, so what. The civilians need to stop that from happening, don't expect allied forces to not open fire just because they use human shields. Frankly, until the Arab world decides collectively to deal with such organizations, expect the militaries of several countries to exercise deadly force regularly to deal with them. Don't like it? Move someplace they aren't, or better yet do something about them yourselves.

By Beno on 5/20/2008 9:23:07 PM , Rating: 3
wtf??? hezbullah is located in lebanon!
and they are a political movement in lebanon that is already been struggling with other movements on power.

palestine is a different place in case you dont know the middle east countries, and yeah he is right
about israel Bulldozering homes. take alook aljazeera channel for a change.

By Hawkido on 5/22/2008 2:02:35 PM , Rating: 1
Mar Haban Ya Wahleed,

Great of you to participate.

I hope the topic hasn't wandered too far into geo-political territory for this post.

Okay, what would you consider your top ten favorite games?

Then what do you consider the top ten for the kingdom?

and finally the whole Middle East?

As to the Geo-Political discussion that is cropping up...

This place is a flame fest, before you take too much offense to people's comments here read some of the Microsoft VS. Sony articles and the HD-DVD VS. BluRay.

Any topic of controversy with get burnt up here, and that is part of the purpose of this forum. Once the flames die down, someone will have learned something (Pro or Con).

We do welcome you here and hope that you will visit often to give your views from "the other side of the World".

That having been said, I probably would sit on the opposite side of you on many of your views, but would still like to hear your thoughts and would like you to hear mine.

I studied Arabic (Fushah) for 20 months, my transliteration is horrible, so don't ask me to type any LOL.

Most Westerners have no clue as to the Middle Eastern Culture. I hope with some moderated (self moderated) dialogue, people will begin to understand each other, but I doubt you will find a great deal of acceptance for your views. Just understand that while most of us will never accept your views, we will not force you to accept our views. That is what Open societies (like the US) strive for, no the US is not perfect, but it is pointed in that direction more often than not.

By Reclaimer77 on 5/15/2008 6:26:12 PM , Rating: 3
The common stereotype surrounding the Middle East is that it is a region of conflict, sand, dust, and terrorist Arabs

Psst. You left out camels.

RE: pssst.
By KessGarrido on 5/16/2008 1:52:47 PM , Rating: 2
...And oil. =)

RE: pssst.
By Nik00117 on 5/17/2008 6:48:52 AM , Rating: 2
And the oddly dressed men walking around with caps covering everything expect their eyes.

Or is that the women? I always get the two mixed up.

RE: pssst.
By KessGarrido on 5/17/2008 7:09:18 AM , Rating: 2
Both. Men wear white and women wear black. Although men don't cover their face or hands. Depends on the place, too. In some places women have to be completely covered up while in other places women don't have to wear anything.

RE: pssst.
By KessGarrido on 5/17/2008 7:11:13 AM , Rating: 2
...Anything religious, that is.

RE: pssst.
By lompocus on 5/19/08, Rating: -1
RE: pssst.
By James Wood Carter on 5/20/2008 6:42:24 PM , Rating: 2
yeah they should all be like us; Americans forget about cultural differences, we should all copy the american dream !

Gaming in Jamaica
By xxeonn on 5/15/2008 7:19:48 PM , Rating: 2
Although there are some differences: “I think Western gamers are more dedicated because [games] could be played professionally” but not in the Middle East due to a lack of investors. There are no major gaming centers and most people do not consider electronic sports interesting. “We play more for fun and interest,” said Waleed.

Here in Jamaica we suffer from the same things as the Middle Eastern Countries but to a lesser extent. We also have very few sponsors and dedicated players here. Not to mention the price of hardware and software as most vendors here add atleast a 100% premium to any computer related product.

"Because" the prices of computer related products in JA and in general every where, I have always wanted the Gaming Industry establish some type of standard for PC simmilar to that of consoles. The developers would develope for one generation of hardware for a few years, hence reducing the overall cost of computer gaming, without gamers having to upgrade there hardware every 8 months or so.

I believe this will help the spread of gaming in the PC market as well.

RE: Gaming in Jamaica
By FITCamaro on 5/16/2008 12:16:52 PM , Rating: 2
If that were to happen, nearly the entire PC gaming hardware industry would be out of business. So don't count on it. Typical gaming hardware today though will last 2-3 years though. My current system is about 2 and a half years old, and will play pretty much any game out there. Some of the newer games I have to turn down the details a bit, but I still get to enjoy them.

And today its cheaper than ever to get good, quality hardware. Yes in Jamaica it's more expensive, but its probably still cheaper than it used to be.

RE: Gaming in Jamaica
By Kenenniah on 5/16/2008 2:14:36 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed. That's pretty much the point of the whole PC business. Enthusiasts and hardcore PC gamers buy PCs because of the customization. If you wanted a standardized computer you'd buy Apple, and if you wanted a standardized gaming machine you'd buy a console. Customizable hardware and so in is the bread and butter of the PC.

RE: Gaming in Jamaica
By BruceLeet on 5/16/2008 8:13:54 PM , Rating: 3
"What the hell Monnn, my god mon' hes lagging like a mothafocka"

"One Love" playing in the background.

Step back and look at the big picture
By funduck on 5/23/2008 10:37:28 AM , Rating: 2
There are some really ridiculous comments in this thread. Everyone really needs try to understand where everyone is coming from. Put yourself in the Palestinians shoes, try to feel how they would feel about Israel. It would take a huge huge amount of mental control NOT to hate their guts given what has happened since 1948. Everyone in this thread should do themselves a favor and hit up Wikipedia and read about Arab-Israeli history starting with the war in 1948.

By KessGarrido on 5/23/2008 12:28:32 PM , Rating: 2
It'd be best to read something more concrete than Wikipedia when it comes to such a controversial subject. The best place to begin is a quick overview of the events presented in the Old Testament. Though it may be a religious book that many in the world despise, it also doubles as historical text of much value.

By AlmostExAMD on 5/21/2008 4:19:56 AM , Rating: 2
My 2c worth, Personally I think if some western countries did not butt in to Middle East issues none of us would be posting comments at all, Extremists would do as they please spreading from country to country gaining nukes and the like which would then lead to WWIII and total annihilation of 90+% of life on this planet!
Islam is not to blame either, But unfortunately I don't see many if any Islamic countries that do anything about terrorists and extremists, Who even change true Islamic laws to suit there own needs/greed!
America/UK and allies love them or hate them have so far for over 60+ years prevented World War III from taking place, Yes there are countless victims/casualties on both sides but the consequences of not taking any action at all in world affairs would be horrifying to even consider.
The U.N. is a joke that can't back itself up with action, So I am all for the U.S. to act as world watch dog and back up with force to keep world order.
Einstein was right when he said "I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

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