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Android-leader Samsung puts iPhone 5 on notice

Android phonemaker Samsung Electronics Comp., Ltd. (KSC:005930) is scary successful.  Its rivals have tried -- and failed -- to use lawsuits to slow its sales.  It's so wildly successful that even partner Google Inc. (GOOG) is reportedly getting a little nervous.

The South Korean firm has risen quickly through the ranks, passing Nokia Oyj. (OMX:NOK1V) in smartphone and featurephone unit sales, and creeping closer to Apple, Inc. (AAPL) in profitability.  Tonight in New York City, just blocks from one of Apple's busiest stores at the Radio City Music Hall, Samsung unleashed its latest flagship model in its best-selling.  

With the Galaxy S IV's U.S. launch, its first American launch event for its flagship phone series, Samsung takes another step in its push to shift its marketing, engineering, and management towards the U.S., the world's most lucrative electronics market.  

I. Specs

Currently Apple is sits at the top of U.S. smartphone sales, but the Galaxy S IV could soon change that.

Samsung Galaxy S IV unpacked


Here's a breakdown of the phone's specs, versus the phone's chief competitor, the iPhone 5:
Galaxy S IV spec
(The only items not revealed at the launch event were the price and GPU of the Samsung device.)
 
Clearly the Galaxy S IV has a much more powerful set of hardware, while being only narrowly heavier/and larger.  The 1080p screen is the real star of the show, although the inclusion of 802.11ac, the higher resolution camera, microSD, and a removable battery are other niceties.

When comparing the GSIV and its chief competitor, the iPhone 5, the only remaining questions are battery life (given the more powerful CPU) and buyer preference with regard to screen size (while the iPhone screen is lower resolution, some buyers do prefer smaller screens).  Clearly some will prefer the slick metal/glass body of the iPhone 5 to the plastic-type case of the GSIV, as well.


II. What's New

Samsung's Head of Mobile Communications, J.K. Shin calls the Galaxy S IV a true "life companion" bragging, "Innovation improves the way people live every day.  For each of us, life is a journey. What you want is a device that can help us on the journey.  Ladies and gentlemen, the Samsung Galaxy S4."

Samsung Galaxy S IV

The device is loaded with proprietary apps -- Knox (a BYOD technology), home sync (which connects various in-home Wi-Fi devices, S Translator (9 language speech-to-text, text-to-speech), and S Health.  

The S Health is particularly cool -- it uses the built in accelerometer to track steps taken/calories burned when you're carrying the device, plus features options to track your meals and sleep.  S Translator should be handy too; it supports Chinese, French, Italian, German, Japanese, Korean, Portugese, Spanish, and English.  The app even can attempt to translate text on signs/printouts using the cameras.  The app has mild offline support, with canned phrases.

Air Health
Samsung Air Health [Image Source: AnandTech]

Home Sync allows you to tap your phone with compatible Samsung NFC devices, like televisions, to pair it.  You can then transfer photos wirelessly.  The images are uploaded to a 1 TB cloud storage account, which is free for GSIV buyers.

Knox is essentially identical to BlackBerry Ltd.'s (TSE:BB) recently announced multi-mode feature in BB10.  The phone can be placed into either a work or a home mode.

TouchWiz on the Galaxy S IV has been glistened up, with a translucent menu bar and other graphical perks.

One are of the UI/firmware that Samsung spent a lot of time on is the camera UI.  There's new editing features, and an ability to select still shots from a burst of frames (100 in 4 sec.) -- similar to rival HTC Corp.'s (TPE:2498) much-advertised technology.  There's a new "dual camera", which allows you to simultaneously use both cameras on the device for photos or video; there's composite merging of photos; and there's a new AirView touch-friendly gallery app.

There's also been big improvements on the control side.  While Apple and other rivals are still largely confined to static touch on the screen, the GSIV introduces air gestures, via the infrared and proximity sensor.  If your hands are dirty or full, you can do a rough gesture over the screen surface to get the phone to perform basic actions.

Samsung Air Pause
Air Pause/Scroll [Image Source: The Verge]

The 2 MP front camera also tracks your eyes for both scrolling purposes ("Air Scrolling") and to pause video if you look away ("Air Pause").

As with its tap-to-share technology Samsung has clear differentiating technologies that its competitors lack.

III. The Impact on Apple and Google

Apple is clearly a bit nervous about the Galaxy S IV.  Analysts are saying interest in the iPhone 5 has "cooled off".  Apple is firing back, calling the Android ecosystem "fragmented", accusing it of being lacking in out-of-the-box service experience, attacking its low pricing, and calling the OS outdated.

But for all the bold talk Apple's stock trends, versus Google's tells a different story:
Apple stock

Apple has seen its momentum halted by the death of its iconic leader Steven P. Jobs (in 2011) and then by disappointment over the iPhone 5 sales growth and hardware. Google, meanwhile has surged as Apple's court bid to ban Android stalled [1][2], and as its OEM parteners pounced on Apple in terms of hardware offerings.

For Google, the Galaxy S IV is more good news.  For Apple it's a major concern.  The soonest Apple will respond is mid-to-late 2013 (with what is being called the iPhone 5S).  That gives Samsung potentially 5 or 6 months of uncontested market dominance.

Barring unforeseen events (product bans) expect this launch to help sustain both the upward pressure on Google's stock and the downward pressure on Apple's stock.

Sources: Samsung [1], [2], AnandTech, The Verge



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Looks nice ...
By johnnycanadian on 3/14/2013 8:16:36 PM , Rating: 5
I REALLY like the air scroll -- true innovation! But bloody hell, why do Samsung phones need to look & feel so CHEAP?!? I'm still leaning towards the HTC One but overall good job, at least with the software and internals, Sammy!




RE: Looks nice ...
By Estee on 3/14/2013 8:31:55 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed. Even though I've owned the past 4 iPhones (starting from 3 on wards), I've always had an eye to Sammy's offering (particularly the Note 2) but the build quality isn't up to par with Apple yet. I was hoping that with HTC's impressive One offering, it would light a fire for Sammy to revolutionize their designs. Unfortunately, it's just evolutionary at this point, but the rest of the package and specs are superb!


RE: Looks nice ...
By JasonMick (blog) on 3/14/13, Rating: -1
RE: Looks nice ...
By othercents on 3/15/2013 12:02:43 AM , Rating: 2
I'm leaning 4s but it is definitely not a done deal. With the extra $100 incentive from HTC I might get the One.

I like the aluminum design of the One, but I do like my wife's S3, so the S4 should be the same feel. The metal ring around the phone is very Blackberry or Apple like. With the same hardware and possibly performance it is all up to features.

One has Sense, ultra pixels and aluminum crafting.
S4 has removable battery, SD, larger screen, and extra sensors for health monitoring. There is also a bunch of software features that are usable for me including the Business sync software.

The only negative (other than the aluminum wrap) I have is the camera. It will be a wait and see if the HTC One camera is worth going with the One.

Other


RE: Looks nice ...
By robinthakur on 3/15/2013 4:08:32 AM , Rating: 2
Totally agree, I was hoping it would be redesigned from the 3 which looked and felt cheap to me for a £400 phone. At least they have finally upgraded the screen to something decent, and hopefully no more fuzzy pentile! Fail to see how a lot of these gimmicky features justify new hardware, and based on the 3 I'd be inclined to try each feature to see whether it actually works:Tap to top, smart stay and S Assist were always too unreliable to be used more than a couple of times, and the rest of the the Samsung only features were so niche you wondered if anybody used them like photoshare.


RE: Looks nice ...
By retrospooty on 3/14/2013 9:32:31 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, me too. If it works well and scrolls seamlessly and intuitively it will change everything. Awesome innovation


RE: Looks nice ...
By Argon18 on 3/18/2013 4:31:26 PM , Rating: 3
For every "why does it feel so cheap?" comment, there's a "why is it so expensive?" one. You can't have both.


"Knox (a BYOD technology)"
By vailr on 3/14/2013 8:53:47 PM , Rating: 2
Please explain: "Knox (a BYOD technology)".




RE: "Knox (a BYOD technology)"
By Solandri on 3/14/2013 9:26:01 PM , Rating: 3
You know how some people carry two physical phones, one for personal calls, one for work?

Knox essentially runs the software for two virtual phones inside the same physical phone. Your personal virtual phone lets you install your apps, contacts, etc. The work virtual phone lets you install work apps, contacts, etc. The two operate independently, and your workplace can wipe the work phone without touching your personal phone.
http://www.businessinsider.com/samsung-knox-is-bri...

I'm a little skeptical how effective it'll be (I run backups of my phone, and it seems like a restore would bring back all the work contacts, emails, etc). But it's a good first step to eliminating the ridiculousness of having to carry two physical phones.

Long-term, I think most software (on PC, tablets, phones, whatever) will end up running on virtual machines. With the failure of Java as an OS-agnostic platform, virtual machines are pretty much the only way to run apps on an OS other than the one it was written for. The hardware requirements for most software stopped growing about 5 years ago (games are the sole exception). So as hardware continues to get faster, running software under emulation in a virtual machine will just get easier. Who cares that Microsoft won't port Office to iOS or Android if you can just run it inside a x86 VM running on your phone.


By JasonMick (blog) on 3/14/2013 9:36:52 PM , Rating: 2
Also three paragraphs later I explained...
quote:
Knox is essentially identical to BlackBerry Ltd.'s (TSE:BB) recently announced multi-mode feature in BB10. The phone can be placed into either a work or a home mode.
... Which s/he missed.

But I appreciate you chiming in w. the extra info... Your explanation was more in-depth!! ;)


RE: "Knox (a BYOD technology)"
By jimbojimbo on 3/15/2013 11:04:56 AM , Rating: 2
With BES10 and Blackberry balance you can make it so you can't back up any work data to a computer or cloud or anything. As an Exchange and BES admin and having read thoroughly how balance works I'm curious to see what Knox is capable of.


Oh my lag
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/16/2013 4:27:40 PM , Rating: 4
It lags when doing the most mundane tasks like pulling the notification bar or scrolling pages. I was on Android for years but there's no way I'm going back unless Google can get their act together. I can't believe Android is still broken in so many ways.

First it wasn't going to lag when hardware hit 1ghz, then it wasn't gonna lag when it hit four cores, then it wasn't gonna lag with "project butter", then it wasn't gonna lag with eight cores. Maybe 16 cores will fix things?

I know, wait until the 64 core version, then every process can have its own core!

Before someone suggests I root, my last phone before my Lumia 920 was a Nexus 4, and even that stock device had lag and all the other same problems compared to the other mobile OSes.

Look at all the people here impressed by paper specs when they mean nothing because the Android OS and its ecosystem is a joke. A bunch of fanboys with battered wife syndrome.




RE: Oh my lag
By retrospooty on 3/16/2013 4:56:41 PM , Rating: 2
Actually Android jellybean is fast as hell. No lags, whatever this is is on a PR release ROM and is touchwiz or some other Samsung bloatware issue... Hopefully its fixed by release, but its NOT an Android OS issue.


Better design
By txDrum on 3/14/2013 9:22:33 PM , Rating: 2
Plastic is not bad. But Samsung's plastic has been uninspiring to me, to say the least. Plastic itself isn't bad - the HTC 8X has a wonderful in hand feel that I think is way, way better to my brother's iPhone 5 (previously a Droid DNA). The matte polycarbonate is amazing. The glossy plastic that Samsung was/is using though is very meh.

There's a metal strip now on the sides though that gives it a slightly better in hand look/feel that is definitely a step forward. But I'd love to see Samsung move to matte plastic, if they want to keep plastic.




RE: Better design
By jimbojimbo on 3/15/2013 11:35:37 AM , Rating: 3
Can't you take some fine grain sandpaper and make it matte yourself?


Galaxy S4
By lucaser on 3/14/2013 8:27:40 PM , Rating: 2
Really loved the fact that Sammy has added more "cooler" features to the S4. To me its just the same Galaxy S3 with a large and sharp display. Will definitely go for one.




RE: Galaxy S4
By jimbojimbo on 3/15/2013 11:37:16 AM , Rating: 2
Larger and sharper display but the phone itself is thinner, slimmer, and lighter. Nice. I'm due for an upgrade and I can't wait to try one out before I make my final decision but I think I'm going to go for the S4.


By GotThumbs on 3/15/2013 9:20:16 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
S Health includes support for an integrated pedometer, temperature and humidity sensors in the SGS4


This phone has built in temperature and humidity sensors. What other phone has that?

Pretty cool feature (pun intended).

Check out Anands review of the phone for greater details. No I don't work for them, but I like to know the details and they are a good source for that IMO.




Samsung chose the wrong words
By lucaser on 3/14/2013 9:41:18 PM , Rating: 2
Watching the "the next big thing" advert on Youtube once again and noticed something. When Jeremy's neighbor asked him what's in the box he said: Nothing. Nothing at all.
Well I guess the Galaxy S4 is nothing at all to Apple concerning all the foul names they've called Samsung phones.
Youtube link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzkfC7--jog




All these cores and still laggy Android crap
By corduroygt on 3/15/13, Rating: -1
RE: All these cores and still laggy Android crap
By Solandri on 3/15/2013 6:10:16 AM , Rating: 2
That was the widget selection screen, not a menu. It's for adding new widgets to your desktop. The phone is slow to scroll that page because it needs to read every possible widget from every app installed on the phone (some of my apps have dozens of options) before it can display them. In regular use, only the widgets you've installed on the desktop need to be displayed. So there's no point pre-loading all of those widgets in persistent memory just to make it scroll smoother. (Think of Metro's animated tiles. The widget selection screen is like displaying every possible animated tile at once.)

The menus looked like they all scrolled smoothly. Though on Anand's video review it looked like there was a problem with sensitivity (his thumb kept opening the sidebar instead of scrolling the pages, even though it looked like it wasn't actually touching the sidebar). Probably some more tuning needs to be done to better distinguish between touch and hover.


By retrospooty on 3/15/2013 8:12:52 AM , Rating: 2
LOL. You talking to an Apple fan, therefore you can almost assume he has no clue when talking tech. Let him have his imaginary superior product and we can have the real deal.


By jimbojimbo on 3/15/2013 11:02:22 AM , Rating: 4
Talking to an Apple fan you lost him when you said widgets.


RE: All these cores and still laggy Android crap
By corduroygt on 3/15/13, Rating: 0
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/15/2013 10:30:20 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
It's laggy crap, but the Fandroids won't notice because they're used to lag and crappy apps.
If ya say so ya AppleTool...


RE: All these cores and still laggy Android crap
By jimbojimbo on 3/15/2013 11:29:07 AM , Rating: 2
Apple fans love to knock on Android because that's all they can do. There's nothing iOS has that Android doesn't have.


RE: All these cores and still laggy Android crap
By corduroygt on 3/15/13, Rating: 0
RE: All these cores and still laggy Android crap
By Solandri on 3/15/2013 3:46:27 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Also if you rewind to 52 seconds, you'll see lag again when swiping through the installed apps. It's laggy crap, but the Fandroids won't notice because they're used to lag and crappy apps.

Ok, you don't seem to understand the distinction I was making. Maybe because iOS doesn't make the distinction. It's a different concept from iOS. Conceptually it's like the difference between sorting your email into folders, and gmail's use of labels. When you use folders, your data can only be arranged in one way. When you use labels, your data can simultaneously be arranged in multiple ways.

In iOS your app drawer is your desktop. Whatever way you sort the apps there is what you have to live with, all the time.

In Android, the app drawer and desktop are two different things. The app drawer (and widget selection) is just a list of all the apps you have installed. You drag copies of these onto the desktop when you're first setting up the phone (or have installed a new app), then use the desktop from then on. That's pretty much all you use these screens for (though you can use them for other things - see below). Since they're infrequently used, there's no point caching the icons. In fact you wouldn't want to. When you open these, the phone assumes its not up to date and does a force refresh - it reads all the files anew which is what causes the lag (limited by flash memory speed, not CPU nor GPU). The desktops get cached just like in iOS so those scroll smoothly.

This allows you to do a few things you can't do on iOS:
- If you want to put the same app/widget on multiple desktop screens, you can. My photo viewing app also plays movies and MP3s, so it has an icon on both my entertainment screen, and my photo/camera screen. My calculator app has icons on both my default homescreen and my work apps screen.
- If you need to run an app Right Now but can't remember where you put it on your multiple desktop screens, you don't have to dig through all the screens and folders until you find it. You can open the app drawer which is sorted alphabetically, and find and run the app that way. Other desktop managers let you change the sort order, with common ones being sort by install date, and sort by most recently run. Sorting the app drawer does not affect or change your desktop layout, so it doesn't ruin or reset the desktop you've carefully arranged.
- If you've got a couple dozen apps which you only use once in a blue moon, you don't have to have them cluttering up your desktop. You can simply choose not to put a copy on the desktop. The few times a year that you run one of them, you can run it straight from the app drawer.
- My phone has over 200 apps installed - more than would fit on all of iOS' 11 desktop screens without using folders. But if you use folders you can't browse all the installed apps by simply swiping the screen side to side. You have to dig into the folders one by one to see all the apps. Android lets you have it both ways - swipe side by side on the desktop to see your commonly used apps (even use folders if you wish). And a single aggregate list of all installed apps (and widgets) you can browse through without having to micromanage folders.

Yes you can semi-duplicate some of these with search. But that's not the point. With iOS, you're limited by this fixed desktop paradigm + search that Apple has decided is the best way for everyone to operate their phone. With Android, you get to choose how you want to set up your phone. If you want to set it up like iOS, you can. If you want to set it up completely differently, you can. I know it's a scary concept, making decisions for yourself. But I assure you that even Apple users get the hang of it pretty quickly.


RE: All these cores and still laggy Android crap
By corduroygt on 3/15/2013 3:58:46 PM , Rating: 1
I used android and know the distinction between an app drawer and a desktop. I personally don't care for it as it's just another thing I have to maintain, and move apps back and forth...just tinkering with the phone instead of using it. I accomplish the same on the iPhone by putting the most commonly used apps in the first page and the rest in folders on 2nd and 3rd pages. If I have to quickly find an app, there is the search function.

Still does not excuse lagginess, not one bit. All those icons take 1-2MB max, which is nothing on a phone with 2GB memory.


By Reclaimer77 on 3/15/2013 4:11:40 PM , Rating: 2
God you're stupid...

quote:
I accomplish the same on the iPhone by putting the most commonly used apps in the first page and the rest in folders on 2nd and 3rd pages. If I have to quickly find an app, there is the search function.


Dude this IS tinkering. And you can do the same thing on Android. Do you not understand what he's saying??

quote:
I used android and know the distinction between an app drawer and a desktop. I personally don't care for it as it's just another thing I have to maintain, and move apps back and forth...


????

You do it once, and you're done! This is no more "tinkering" than your iPhone method. It's the same thing, Android is just presenting you with a way to see all the installed apps and widgets easily.

quote:
Still does not excuse lagginess, not one bit. All those icons take 1-2MB max, which is nothing on a phone with 2GB memory.


....

Just..okay, it's not worth it. Again, on display for all, we see the complete computer illiteracy of the average Apple customer.


By retrospooty on 3/15/2013 7:52:23 PM , Rating: 2
"Again, on display for all, we see the complete computer illiteracy of the average Apple customer."

Bingo... Although snottier, this guy is not quite as daft as Nortel, insisting Samsung copied Apple with their choice of RAM size on the GS3. He actually thinks that using 16, 32 and 64gb of RAM is Samsung copying Apple... Another hilarious iTard. Not only did he think it, he defended it vigorously LOL. A freegin riot.


RE: All these cores and still laggy Android crap
By Solandri on 3/15/2013 8:01:22 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Still does not excuse lagginess, not one bit. All those icons take 1-2MB max, which is nothing on a phone with 2GB memory.

Well, you're free to think whatever you like. If you ever do wish to learn about why it's not that simple, read up on transactional databases and all the work you have to do to maintain consistency. It's a design decision Google made - that given what the function was used for and how infrequently it was used, accuracy was more important than scrolling smoothness.

But if you're one of those people who would rather something look pretty than be accurate, you're entitled to your opinion.


By retrospooty on 3/15/2013 10:39:33 PM , Rating: 2
Yup...

Googles approach: Find a way to make it work because its a great feature.

Apples approach: Don't do it, just tell people they don't want it and its not useful.


By Reclaimer77 on 3/15/2013 10:45:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Apples approach: Don't do it, just tell people they don't want it and its not useful.


Yeah I loved their snide self-serving "Flash is for porn if you want porn get Android" nonsense lol. The most condescending company on the planet...


RE: All these cores and still laggy Android crap
By corduroygt on 3/15/2013 11:59:44 PM , Rating: 2
Tell me what does a transactional database have anything to do with icons, which are just small PNG images easily able to fit in memory? iOS and WP8 just do fine without any lag and WP8 even has animated tiles to boot. User experience and smoothness is the most important thing in an OS. UI threads should ALWAYS have the highest priority and anything less is just poor customer experience and inexcusable.

While putting apps in folders is tinkering, it's FAR less tinkering than in Android, where you'd have to go to a DIFFERENT place to uninstall an app than where you launch it from.

It's a good thing that DT is not representative of the entire country, otherwise we'd have Romney for president and the Galaxy S3 outselling the iPhone 5.


By retrospooty on 3/16/2013 1:55:37 AM , Rating: 2
LOL. With every post you embarras yourself further. Seriously, just stop. You don't get it, a widget is not an icon and the widget selection screen is not a bunch of icons. At the very least wait for a shopping ROM before you completely misunderstand a problem. Too funny. I am not sure if you are just trying to spread FUD on purpose or you are a complete moron.


By Sta5h on 3/26/2013 9:57:41 AM , Rating: 2
On my Nexus 4 I can uninstall an app from the home screen.

1. Long press app icon on homescreen.
2. Drag up to "Remove" that appears at the top of the screen.
3. Hold over "Remove" for a second until it changes to "Uninstall".

All of this takes about 2-3 seconds total – it's almost painfully simple to uninstall apps on modern Android.

Not massively discoverable I'll admit, but then I was flummoxed the first time I tried to uninstall an app on iOS. Of course, once you've done it, it's easy. A lot of "intuitive" in software is actually what you are used to – just don't assume you can't do something on another system as easily as the one you're more familiar with…


RE: All these cores and still laggy Android crap
By corduroygt on 3/15/13, Rating: 0
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/15/2013 11:50:23 AM , Rating: 2
Assume much? Dumbass..


RE: All these cores and still laggy Android crap
By corduroygt on 3/15/2013 11:59:27 AM , Rating: 2
No assumption needed when the data is there.
Android has 3x the marketshare of iOS yet iOS gets 5x the revenue. Obviously you lot aren't paying for your apps.


By Cheesew1z69 on 3/15/2013 12:10:52 PM , Rating: 2
Obviously, because they are FREE in the PLAY STORE....

Wow...


RE: All these cores and still laggy Android crap
By corduroygt on 3/15/2013 12:12:08 PM , Rating: 2
Low quality crappy versions of games are free in the Play store because no one pays for them over there.


By Cheesew1z69 on 3/15/2013 12:13:24 PM , Rating: 2
Please show your bias a little more, it's quite amusing.

Like a rabid dog...


RE: All these cores and still laggy Android crap
By A11 on 3/15/2013 12:52:48 PM , Rating: 2
and you aren't biased yourself?


By Cheesew1z69 on 3/15/2013 12:54:38 PM , Rating: 2
ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Um, no.


RE: All these cores and still laggy Android crap
By A11 on 3/15/2013 1:18:36 PM , Rating: 2
ok mr. delusional.


By Cheesew1z69 on 3/15/2013 1:23:32 PM , Rating: 2
LOL

Considering I have used HTC, Motorola, Samsung, Palm over the years and don't just argue for 1 company and 1 company only like most of you retards on here, pretty sure I am not but keep thinking whatever suits your little AppleMush brain.

/me rolls eyes...


By retrospooty on 3/15/2013 1:27:29 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly... I will never get people that argue for a company and everything they do. I think you are the same as me. We use Android because its simply the best platform out there. I dont give a crap about Google, Samsung or any other company. As soon as another mobile OS comes along that is better than Android , I will drop it and never look back. This will make me happy to do, because if something better comes along then my personal stuff gets better. I like Google as a company, but I really dont care if they make a little, or alot of cash. I like their products and if their products ever suck compared to the competition (like Apples currently do) then I will drop them. Simple.


RE: All these cores and still laggy Android crap
By A11 on 3/15/2013 1:31:21 PM , Rating: 3
Funny how you are in every thread yelling, often using foul language, at people who dare to either critize Android or praise Apple then.
In fact, you come across as being a bigger zealot than Tony.


By Cheesew1z69 on 3/15/2013 1:32:38 PM , Rating: 2
Wrong again... keep trying...


RE: All these cores and still laggy Android crap
By A11 on 3/15/2013 1:39:20 PM , Rating: 2
Excellent retort buddy.


By Cheesew1z69 on 3/15/2013 1:49:12 PM , Rating: 1
Not your "buddy"... and not going to keep feeding you. You have no idea what you are talking about, that much is obvious.

I am curious as to which of the stooges you are though.


By A11 on 3/16/2013 12:30:32 PM , Rating: 2
You're not going to keep dodging the point you mean, buddy.


By retrospooty on 3/15/2013 12:11:44 PM , Rating: 2
You dont have one, and clearly you have never used a Jelly Bean device, so just don't comment, because it's coming off as uneducated and spiteful.


RE: All these cores and still laggy Android crap
By corduroygt on 3/15/2013 12:12:57 PM , Rating: 2
The video is there for all the see. Lag lag lag everywhere on the newest S4 phone.


By retrospooty on 3/15/2013 12:41:22 PM , Rating: 2
Stop acting like a child. YOu are clueless.

#1. its a prototype device 2 moth from release using a protoype ROM

#2. The lag is on the widget selection screen where it shows read data from all apps that have widgets

#3 look at this HUGE list of things this phone does that the iPhone doesnt. There is no comparison. In 2012 Android surpassed iPhone. In 2013 its not even close. The iPhone is starting to look like Blackberry ala 2011.

GS4 advantages over iPhone
- Larger Screen
- Higher resolution screen with better DPI
- Faster CPU/GPU
- Better Edge to Edge display (no giant iBezel)
- Micro SD card
- Removable battery
- NFC
- 802.11ac
- Better Notifications
- Faster Voice search
- Better Mapping software
- Widgets
- Live wallpaper
- Plays HD content without downscaling
- Greater than 5x4 icon
- Multi Window support
- pop up browser(in a window)
- Wireless charging
- Eye scrolling
- Air gestures
- Active stylus support
- Better OS
- Better UI
- Prettier OS
- Photo Spere
- Plug and play as a flash drive to copy files
- Flexibility in OS (Tons of Custom ROM's, etc)
- Micro USB standardization so you can use anyones pawer supply.


By Cheesew1z69 on 3/15/2013 12:51:31 PM , Rating: 2
He can be added to that list you made up the other day, it is only fitting.


RE: All these cores and still laggy Android crap
By corduroygt on 3/15/2013 2:13:50 PM , Rating: 1
None of it matters if you lack the proper software.
Where is Infinity Blade 2 on Android? Where is the Walking Dead, or any new noteworthy game that's not Angry Birds?
Sales figures show it as well, when you have a shitty ecosystem, not many people spend money on it.


By retrospooty on 3/15/2013 2:54:20 PM , Rating: 1
LOL... Yes. Anything that you cant do doesn't matter... I guess thinking clearly is ruled out as well. You name a couple of lame games and you think that makes a platform? ugh... Any and all smartphones and tablets suck for gaming, Apple included... but even including gaming, there isnt anything you can do on an IOS device that you cant do on an Android. there are a TON of things you can do on Android that you cannot with IOS. That is just a fact.

If you like a small screen phone with low res that is missing all that functionality, then the iPhone is good for you . You should keep it. It's certainly fast and for gaming (which as I mentioned sucks on all touchscreen devices) its as good as it gets for that. If that suits you fine, but the iPhone isn't good enough for me. If you like an inferior product that is fine, buy it, but don't crap on superior products because you don't need one. You just come off looking petty and ill informed.


By Reclaimer77 on 3/15/2013 3:38:08 PM , Rating: 1
Oh wow iPhone has Infinity Blade 2? Well stop the presses, I'm going to run out right now and buy a phone because of some goddamned game!!

Are you idiots hearing yourselves?

quote:
Sales figures show it as well, when you have a shitty ecosystem, not many people spend money on it.


Because Android has WAY more value added than iOS. You don't need to spend money on a phone if it comes out of the box with everything you need. Add a few free apps for the things you want, and what's left?


By KoolAidMan1 on 3/16/2013 5:10:07 PM , Rating: 2
iOS also has better SSH apps, better FTP apps, better client apps for sites like Youtube and Reddit, better RSS readers, better apps for pretty much anything.

I don't even have an iPhone right now. I have a Lumia 920 and an iPad, and I was on Android until recently. The difference in quality is there, even the same app on both platforms is usually better on iOS.

Games are an obvious difference but its just the tip of the iceberg. iOS having better apps makes sense since it is more profitable and easier to develop.


RE: All these cores and still laggy Android crap
By testerguy on 3/15/2013 4:30:58 PM , Rating: 1
Lets be honest. There are three Android trolls on this site. Retrospooty, Reclaimer77 (who I'm sure is the same person) and CheeseW - who is basically a loyal monkey to the first two.

You say you guys don't care about any company, but what you do care about is hating Apple. Your fanboy-ism isn't fuelled by good experiences, but by bitterness at what I can only assume is some massive inferiority complex you feel.

It's evidenced constantly, you claim you're neutral but look at the pathetic lists you come up with and spew all over every Android / Apple thread.

And, as usual, when I can be bothered, I educated you on them:

Larger Screen - a bad thing for some people

Higher resolution screen - not really useful if you can't even discern the pixels on the iPhone screen. Colour oversaturation, PenTile, probably slower frame rates, and iPhone display reported by DisplayMate as best ever in smartphone.

Faster CPU/GPU - not yet confirmed. US version may have different processor. GPU not yet benchmarked. Also, this will be available to buy 8 months after iPhone 5. So we should compare the S4 to the iPhone 5S (only a 4 month gap).

Better Edge to Edge display (no giant iBezel) - the iPhone 5 is thinner, lighter, less tall and less wide.

Micro SD card - Yep, true, but not relevant for most people.

Removable battery - emergency battery packs achieve exactly the same result

NFC - Not used for anything in most countries around the world.

802.11ac - As if anyone will ever notice the difference between this and normal Wifi in any meaningful way.

Better Notifications - subjective.

Faster Voice search - not really sure if serious..

Better Mapping software - iPhone 5 has both Apple Maps and Google Maps. SG4 doesn't.

Widgets - lol

Live wallpaper - lol

Plays HD content without downscaling - downscaling isn't visible so irrelevant.

Greater than 5x4 icon - lol

Multi Window support - Pointless in a smartphone, gimmick.

pop up browser(in a window) - Seriously?

Wireless charging - are you sure?

Eye scrolling - Have you seen how poor this is? Gimmick.

Air gestures - Pointless gimmick.

Active stylus support - Welcome to the 90's

Better OS, Better UI, Prettier OS - Subjective unverifiable nonsense.

Plug and play as a flash drive to copy files - Can do the same on iPhone 5.

Flexibility in OS (Tons of Custom ROM's, etc) - Which are all buggy and add nothing.

Micro USB standardization so you can use anyones pawer supply. - Only useful if you have such inferior battery life.

I'm not even going to go through the list of failings, because I'm not that insecure about my phone choice or that of others.


By Reclaimer77 on 3/15/2013 4:47:45 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It's evidenced constantly, you claim you're neutral


Uh that's bullshit. I've proudly claimed, and do claim to hate Apple and have the expressed intent here to carry out my goal. I've never once claimed to be "neutral" in this.

Of course Apple makes this easy by constantly doing things to earn my disdain.

quote:
Retrospooty, Reclaimer77 (who I'm sure is the same person)


For that to even be possible I would have to be schizophrenic. But continue the trolling.

By the way calling others trolls, but dedicating the first three paragraphs of a post to insulting others and making ad homenum attacks...yeah, there's a word for that.

quote:
And, as usual, when I can be bothered, I educated you on them:


Okay educate me please...

quote:
Faster Voice search - not really sure if serious..


I'm sure he WAS serious. Google Now isn't just faster, it's all around better than Siri could ever hope to be. This has been objectively proven by dozens of tests and videos that are available to you. If you really cared about the truth.

quote:
Widgets - lol


Well that was certainly an "educational" response. Widgets are awesome, and you're a moron if you don't agree. The concept of Widgets were so groundbreaking, Microsoft has used them exclusively in the Windows Phone UI. They just call them "Live Tiles".

quote:
Live wallpaper - lol


How "educated". Can you please elaborate on how awesome customization like Live Wallpapers are "lol" worthy? Or are you trying to sound like a 14 year old?

If iOS had Widgets and Live Wallpapers, you and others would be putting them on YOUR list of iOS features that kick ass. Come on, you know it's true.

quote:
Removable battery - emergency battery packs achieve exactly the same result


Yeah because the first thing I want to do with a captive battery is use a charger that can overcharge my battery beyond it's specifications, so I have to send the phone in to be repaired. They are called "emergency" chargers for a reason..

quote:
Plays HD content without downscaling - downscaling isn't visible so irrelevant.


/facepalm

At this point, like any iTard, you're now just blatantly dismissing off-hand any advantage of Android regardless of how stupid you sound doing it.

If you need it explained why playing HD content in it's native resolution is a "big deal", you're a bigger idiot than I thought.

Then again you might be one of these idiots who claim an upscaled DVD looks "as good" as a native-res BluRay.

quote:
Multi Window support - Pointless in a smartphone, gimmick.


What!?


By Cheesew1z69 on 3/15/2013 4:51:40 PM , Rating: 1
So more or less, with him and the others, if Apple doesn't do it, it's a gimmick, it's irrelevant or it's just worthless.


By retrospooty on 3/15/2013 4:54:40 PM , Rating: 2
LOL... You are a piece of work arent you? I agree with you on one thing. If you systematically ignore and eliminate everything on that list, the iPhone stacks up real well to it. Unfortunately most of those items are real and not just subjective and are highly useful. Just because you dont see the benefit doesnt mean there isnt a benefit. That list grows with every release and most of it matters. It may not matter to you, that is fine, but its real and it matters to me and alot of users. You may not expect much from a smartphone, I do. The iPhone is basically a low end smartphone with a high end SOC period. Not good enough for me. You cant say a whole lot, because in spite of all your ranting and raving and superior mentality, when it came time to put your money where your mouth is you bought a Nexus 4 and put your foot where your mouth is so just STFU.

And as far as motivation... I dont hate Apple. I hate the complete tools that post in favor of it no matter what the product or move they make. Honestly, I am tired of seeing it and hearing it and I post against their ridiculous assertions and will continue to do so.


By Reclaimer77 on 3/15/2013 5:03:44 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You cant say a whole lot, because in spite of all your ranting and raving and superior mentality, when it came time to put your money where your mouth is you bought a Nexus 4 and put your foot where your mouth is so just STFU.


lol no sh$t? He did? You have to be kidding me. Just...HAHAHA

He's using stuff everyday that he dismissed on your list as being "lol" or irrelevant or gimmicky. What a complete tool. Arguing just to argue..


By retrospooty on 3/15/2013 6:38:28 PM , Rating: 2
I s**t you not. The funny thing about it is that it proves even he doesn't believe the crap that he writes.


By KoolAidMan1 on 3/16/2013 5:12:12 PM , Rating: 2
Get outside more.


.
By messele on 3/15/13, Rating: -1
RE: .
By fteoath64 on 3/15/2013 6:15:45 AM , Rating: 3
Surely, it is!. At a time when Apple is having all sorts of bad news in the market and no new product lines to launch. Sammy is really rubbing it in. To the extend that Phil S recently was doing some silly talk about "Android fragmentation". Hey, he ought to know, fragmentation is GOOD!. It provides differentiation and choice to customers out there. Only a silly vendor will sell you a single Ford Model T. Does not matter if this Model T is coated with gold, people will get sick of the same old thing. It means product getting stale!. That is a bad as a good product with bad/lousy marketing associated with it.

Ever since BlackBerry had their launch, the rest seems geared up to meet that challenge for this year.

Note: The GPU is PVR 544MP although we had to guess how may cores. My hunch is 3 cores due to power demands for a phone implementation of the Octa 8. It will just be enough to fend off the Snapdragon assault for a few months yet before Tegra 4i hits the market!.


RE: .
By Tony Swash on 3/15/13, Rating: -1
RE: .
By retrospooty on 3/15/2013 11:08:01 AM , Rating: 5
I am qite sure he means bad news like this...

http://www.businessinsider.com/consumer-reports-ip...

Or perhaps this...

http://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-android-sat...

Or maybe this
http://www.thestreet.com/story/11870792/1/apple-es...

Or just the 300 point slide in general and the reasons behind it.

Nice try at spinning. Not unexpected. We all knew you would be in here, becasue its a competitive product


RE: .
By jimbojimbo on 3/15/2013 11:34:05 AM , Rating: 2
I think the only reason their stock prices haven't slid more is because a lot of big owners are suing Apple to get a cut of those huge multi-billion dollar credits as dividends. Once that finalizes you can bet they're selling off what they have then the price will really tumble.


RE: .
By retrospooty on 3/15/2013 12:09:44 PM , Rating: 2
Ya... But they arent in any trouble. It's just that the insane climb is over. they will level off and be merely extremely profitable and stay that way unless they come out with some better products.


RE: .
By symbiosys on 3/15/2013 6:12:28 PM , Rating: 2
I remember back when you were saying Apple were well on their way to a $1000 share price. Since then you have been very quiet Tony. What happened to you man... Now you're just posting graphs... You've changed man!


RE: .
By retrospooty on 3/15/2013 7:48:06 PM , Rating: 2
He hasnt been quiet. He's here almost daily. Now his big thing is - No matter what features Android has, no matter how much better screens, functionality, variety. Apple is better because IOS users browse the web more, and of course Apple makes more money. An odd thing to keep trying to prove, but he does it... pretty much daily.


RE: .
By karlostomy on 3/15/2013 8:45:33 PM , Rating: 2
... and further to that, it has been demonstrated that android is clawing back those usage statistics from apple as well. Albeit slowly.

No amount of TS crowing can change the hard facts.


RE: .
By retrospooty on 3/15/2013 8:08:25 AM , Rating: 3


It never fails on ANY article about ANY product that competes in ANY way with Apple, one of the iTools will be there to try and crap on it in typical troll fashion.

Whatever though, regardless of how they huff and puff about it, Android marches on and it is the #1 mobile OS. It will stay #1 until something better comes along and knocks it off, and I welcome that day - it means competition is alive.


RE: .
By Tony Swash on 3/15/2013 8:00:21 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Android marches on


Not according to Samsung who didn't mention Android or invite Google to participate in the launch event. Samsung is building a customer base for Samsung devices and the Samsung UI and the Samsung ecosystem. Samsung is also now talking openly about a migration away from Android. In an interview with Bloomberg, Lee Young Hee, executive vice president of Samsung's mobile division, revealed that not only will Samsung release phones running Tizen later this year, they will be high-end.

"The Tizen phone will be out in August or September, and this will be in the high-end category,"
he told Bloomberg, "The device will be the best product equipped with the best specifications."

http://www.osnews.com/story/26865/Samsung_s_future...

Google's restructuring and the dumping of Rubin is probably part of a strategic realignment now that is it clear that the Android OEM ecosystem is commercially dead except for Samsung and that Samsung is moving briskly to end their dependency on Google. The Android landscape may look very different in a couple of years.


RE: .
By karlostomy on 3/15/2013 9:07:33 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Android marches on

and
quote:
The Android landscape may look very different in a couple of years.


Android's success has been in large part due to its ability to adapt to change and keep adding newer and better features than its competitor(s).

Speculation around Samsung's rumoured strategy to move away from android (for high end devices) is a welcome addition to a competitive market place.

Fact is, for every new powerful player that introduces competition, there is an increased incentive for exisiting players to innovate.

If this truly comes to pass, it will literally force android to keep innovating to maintain and expand its marketshare, which it has already been doing admirably for a long time now.

In contrast, Apple hasnt really brought anything truly new for a long while and, by most reasonable standards, has been coasting on its established infrastruture.
This has seen ios marketshare plummet. Even consumer activity within the ios ecosystem is being slowly eroded by equivalent activity on android.

I guess if android makes the same mistakes as apple and stops innovating, then the lanscape may indeed look different.


RE: .
By retrospooty on 3/15/2013 9:51:08 PM , Rating: 2
LOL. Tony's head is so far up his ass on this subject that his shoulders are the only thing keeping him from disappearing altogether. Its all us vs them and this company is a threat to that one. He has to strum up some kind of way for his mind to cope with the fact that Apple is being left behind. The more he posts shows how worried he is.

What you said about innovation is true. No matter who does it , any good new feature makes the rest raise their games... Too bad Apple stopped innovating. We could use more incentive.


RE: .
By retrospooty on 3/15/2013 10:29:46 PM , Rating: 3
"The Android landscape may look very different in a couple of years."

Of course it will. Its Android, it adapts, it expands, it grows. That is what it does.

"In an interview with Bloomberg, Lee Young Hee, executive vice president of Samsung's mobile division, revealed that not only will Samsung release phones running Tizen later this year, they will be high-end"

Only you would see this as a bad thing. If Tizen is any good by then and Samsung can make it feature competitive then I am not just happy, I am thrilled. That is a good thing. Like Karlostomy said "Fact is, for every new powerful player that introduces competition, there is an increased incentive for exisiting players to innovate. If this truly comes to pass, it will literally force android to keep innovating to maintain and expand its marketshare, which it has already been doing admirably for a long time now" . Its totally true and a good thing... Scratch that. Its a great thing.

You, being loyal to a company see that as bad because more competition is not good for Google or "the precious" but for us normal people that are in it for the tech, not for the company its a good thing. I have said this before. If something comes along and knocks Android of its perch at the top, it could only be because its better than Android. How could that possibly be a bad thing? I dont think it will be Tizen. Samsung has long said it will be doing multiple OS's, but Android will still be its bread and butter until something beats it. Again, I would suggest you just stop trying to "get" Android and deal with the fact that it is and stop trying to figure out why it is and how it is. It is. Regardless of your distaste for it, its here and its on top. Competition is good for you too. It keeps Apple pushing as much as anyone.

Serious note... Remember that post the other day, where you glossed over that whole "Everything to you is "fear and threats" and "us vs. them""? Really give that some serious thought. Its not a Google vs. Apple world, or a Samsung knifing Google in the back or Google usurping Apple's place at the top... It's just business and Apple is just a company. You dont need to be afraid anymore Tony. Google or Samsung arent a threat to Apple... They are like siblings vying for attention. They will all 3 make plenty money and will all 3 survive.


RE: .
By Tony Swash on 3/16/2013 8:45:46 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Only you would see this as a bad thing.


I didn't say it was a bad thing and it certainly isn't bad or good for me as I don't use Android and I won't be using Tizen. The point I was trying to make is that the dynamic of Android may be about to shift significantly. There is a lot ot lazy assumptions about Android that get thrown around as if they are facts when they are not, such as:

Any Android growth is good for Google. It isn't, for example the large Android devcie market in China brings not a single benefit to Google.

That Google really are pleased with the way Android has panned out. No matter what is says it is not, it's not happy about the chokehold Samsung now has on the Googlerised portion of the Android ecosystem and it's not happy about the size of the non-Google Android ecosystem. Android has not helped Google address the issues it needs to address around the growth of mobile devices. Hence the executive reshuffle and reorg.

That Android is commercially successful. It isn't. The only company making money on Android is Samsung.

That one can treat the whole Android device space as a single platform (particularly when compared to other platforms). Android, in terms of platform dynamics, is not so much a platform itself as a platform enabler. What has emerged is a sprawling series of only loosely connect ecosystems, which hardly connect and certainly cannot be treated as a single platform (ask a developer building an app for Google Play how many apps they have sold in China or for any Android based Amazon devices).

That the growth in the total global number of Android based devices is impacting adversely on Apple. It isn't, look at this graph and you can quickly see who is suffering and who is growing:

http://www.asymco.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/S...

What one can see from the chart is that Samsung and Apple are both tracking each other in terms of growth, Apple ships fewer units but for much greater profitability.

To return to your point about me only seeing all this as a bad thing. I don't. I see it as an interesting and complex thing. I see the dynamics of the mobile device markets and the mobile platforms as a whole as a complex and interesting thing, the understanding of which is not helped by the the simplification of everything into a simple Android versus Apple fight.

For me the single most interesting thing to watch over the next year or two is going to be how Samsung and Google each evolve their strategies and how their relationship develops.


RE: .
By retrospooty on 3/16/2013 8:57:50 AM , Rating: 2
"I didn't say it was a bad thing and it certainly isn't bad or good for me as I don't use Android and I won't be using Tizen."

That is a given. Just curios, how much better would it have to be for you to jump ship? You are already using an OS that doesnt stack up to the competition by most measures. Lets say Apple stayed right where they are today and Android or Tizen or some other entity evolved at the rate Android has over the past 2-3 years (from worst to first). Would you jump ship in 2 years? 4 Years? How long would your blind loyalty last in the face of obviously superior products?

"For me the single most interesting thing to watch over the next year or two is going to be how Samsung and Google each evolve their strategies and how their relationship develops."
I suppose it will, as will Apple's reaction to the vastly superior products and the perception that they have been left behind technically. That isnt just me ribbing you, its all over the stock channels and financial outlets. I am getting it from them, not from nerd fodder sites like I visit.

Also, note you glossed over the whole us vs. them thing again.


RE: .
By Tony Swash on 3/16/2013 12:09:14 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You are already using an OS that doesnt stack up to the competition by most measures.


You think that, I don't.

I almost never talk about why I use the kit I do and what I personally prefer, I am not really here to discuss such things. As I have said before I am interested in debating how the tech industries and markets are developing, and doing so with people who have vastly different opinions and points of view to myself helps me enormously in developing that understanding.

But as you asked a direct question here goes.

I've played around with both Android and Windows Phone on friends and relatives handsets and chatted to them about their experience of using the different OS, how they do things, what's easy, what's hard and I can see nothing in Android which is better than iOS.

My iPhone 4s feels faster than most Android handsets (it seems the speed of the processor is only part of that equation), I get regular OS updates without a problem, I don't get carrier crap, I get access to the best and biggest digital contents store on the planet, I am 30 minutes away from one of the largest Apple Stores in the world and thus I know I can get the best technical assistance in the game anytime I want (although I have rarely used it), ditto with the best customer service support in the game (a number of friends new to Apple have been astonished by the level of customer care they get from Apple, including the exchange of damaged goods at no cost), all my devices, computers, tablets and my TV and stereo all just work together seamlessly, my data syncs instantly between all my devices, I get free messaging to other iOS devices, my iPad has access to over 300, 000 tablet optimised apps, my devices are effectively immune to malware, all my Apple kit looks and physically feels fantastic, well designed and beautifully crafted. Why would I switch to Android, what possible advantage would I get from doing such a daft thing?

quote:
the perception that they have been left behind technically. That isnt just me ribbing you, its all over the stock channels and financial outlets.


And that's all it is - perception. The origin of that perception is interesting, it's partly just the usual slurping of media attention always looking for the bad news hype and the click bait headline, it's partly from the froth of iPhobics and Fanroids keen to talk up and amplify any bad news from Apple no matter how insubstantial or spurious it is, but it's also part of a deeper problem about the lack of understanding of Apple. For most of the media, and indeed the technarati, the insane rise of Apple and it's explosion into the music and mobile device markets was essentially incomprehensible, Apple had been talked down and dismissed for so long, the 'Apple doesn't innovate' meme was so deeply embedded amongst many commentators, that the ability of Apple to release a series of blockbuster products felt a bit like magic and in the end was put down to the unknowable and irreplaceable genius of Steve Jobs. Plus Steve Jobs was one of the best communicators ever so he could explain what Apple was doing and sell the company like no other. So now he is dead and more than a year has passed and no further new blockbuster has been released and Jobs is not here to calm the nerves and so the hysterical ninnies are all in a froth about Apple hitting the wall, a froth that iPhobics and Fanroids lap up like warm milk.

The important thing at times of silliness is to just try to keep an eye on the facts.

What does the data show about Apple's performance? Apple is in the very top echelons of the business world in terms of performance with immense reserves to weather any storms.

What does the data show about Apple's 'lack of innovation'.

The actual timeline of major product pillars is as follows:

iMac

3 years 4 months later

iPod

5 years 3 months later

iPhone

3 years

iPad

I do think that not having a communicator is supremely competent as Steve Jobs selling the company does mean that the Apple is now not sold, as a company, as strongly as it was so it's easier for the doubters to doubt.

Everything I have read about the internal workings of Apple and of Steve Jobs second stint as company leader points in the same direction: that Steve Jobs greatest product, the one he lavished the greatest care and attention on, the one he most shaped to leave as a legacy, was Apple itself.

Apple is strong, competitive and it will be a very, very large player in the new tech markets, and it will be around for a long time yet.

Lastly: did you not look at Samsung's overblown and tasteless mega launch show and at the actual product released and not think 'what a lot of noise for a minor upgrade?' Samsung have spent a vast fortune on advertising and marketing, many times what Apple has, and amusingly it's those who have always dismissed Apple as primarily a marketing phenomena that seem to have been totally hypnotised by it.


RE: .
By retrospooty on 3/16/2013 2:59:00 PM , Rating: 2
That's a long post to not answer the questions posed. OK, fine you don't see Android as better now. If Apple stays where it is today and other platforms advance how long would you stay with the inferior product out of loyalty? How many years? Just curios. You obviously hold the company in very high regard for some reason that I cannot understand so I am wondering how long you would hold out.

You post an awful lot on Android articles, like you are obsessed and afraid of its power LOL. No Android related article gets posted here without you trying your best to detract from it. Again, you should stop trying to figure out why it is and how it is and deal with the fact that it is.


RE: .
By retrospooty on 3/16/2013 3:32:38 PM , Rating: 2
I forgot your last part... Yes, the S4 launch was a lot of hype for a small upgrade. Not unlike the iPhone releases. I am not too impressed with the S4. I love the idea of eye scrolling, but I suspect it won't work as seamless as it needs to to be a big draw, but that remains to be seen. I am really liking the Optimus G Pro a lot more than the S4. That and the Moto/Google X phone coming. Its gonna be a good year for smartphone fans, but I thing the S4 will fall short of its 100 million unit goal. Its just not that great. Spec and feature whose its like any 1080p Android phone, with a plastic shell. Just all right.


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