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Handset is not long-awaited iPhone competitor in the small size slot, instead targets budget markets

The iPhone 4/4S by Apple, Inc. (AAPL) may be trailing the barrage of high-end Android phones in cumulative sales, but it has earned high marks for its Retina display (960x640 pixel; 326 ppi).  Nonetheless, HTC Corp.'s (TPE:2498) Rezound smartphone recently passed the iPhone 4S in pixel density and resolution with its WVGA (wide VGA) 720x1280 pixel 342 ppi display.  In other words, if you're buying a smartphone purely on a hardware basis, there's no reason to buy an iPhone, unless, that is you're in the market for a petite phone.

However, if you want a more petite design, that’s where the Galaxy Ace by Samsung Electronics Comp., Ltd. (KS:005930) comes in.  The original Galaxy Ace was Samsung's most direct shot at the iPhone yet.  A slight 3.5-inch design, the phone was a Galaxy S shrunk to iPhone size.  But the phone was hampered by a MSM 7227 800 MHz CPU from Qualcomm, Inc. (QCOM) and a mediocre 320x480 HVGA (half-VGA) screen.

Samsung has just pulled the wraps off its follow-up effort the Galaxy Ace Plus.  And while it packs a bit more power, it's still pretty weak in terms of offering competition hardware-wise to the similar-sized iPhone.

It fails to improve on the HVGA screen resolution, although it increases the screen size slightly to 3.65-inches.  It bumps internal storage from 2 GB to 3 GB.  The camera logic is also slightly improved.  While the resolution stays at 5 MP, the improved processor allows for 30 frames per second (fps) WVGA (480x800) video, where as the original model only allowed 15 fps QVGA (240x320).

Galaxy Ace Plus
The Galaxy Ace Plus is a bit bigger than its predecessor, but not much more powerful.
[Image Source: Samsung]

The processor receives a slight bump to 1 GHz -- Samsung did not clarify whether it's a new Qualcomm design or a proprietary model.  Memory remains unchanged at 512 MB and weight/size stay about the same, as well.

The Galaxy Ace Plus joins the similarly named, QWERTY keyboard-equipped Galaxy Ace Plus.

Samsung is giving a bit of a mixed message when it comes to the target audience.  On the one hand its press release plugs the phone's strong performance as a phone for the "trendy...busy and sociable young professional" crowd (the iPhone crowd), it also brags about the "affordably-sized" screen (appearing to target the non-iPhone budget crowd).

Sadly Samsung still hasn't been able to produce a decent iPhone competitor in the petite size slot.  But the Galaxy Ace at least could make a splash in the budget market.  Evidence that Samsung realizes the phone's proper place as a budget entrant is found in the fact that the company has announced no plans to release it in the high-end thirsty U.S. market, but is starting its roll out in the budget-driven Russian and Chinese markets, along with other smaller markets like Africa and Latin America.

Source: Samsung Mobile



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Smartphone benchmarks
By niaaa on 1/4/2012 8:55:52 AM , Rating: 3
What is the point to have teraflops of computing power on a smartphone? There is too much hype on these numbers.

The original Ace, while being short on cpu power, offers a good overall experience, is pretty reactive with a decent touchscreen, and that's all that matters for a 1€ smartphone!

Likewise dual core smartphones are useless beyond the benchmarks, I was very disappointed by the experience of a dual core motorola compared to my single core Nexus S.




Good enough
By bug77 on 1/3/2012 7:39:45 PM , Rating: 2
I have a Desire S (1GHz single core CPU, Adreno 205 GPU) and it handles anything I care to throw at it. The Galaxy Ace Plus could use a higher resolution, but at 3.5" there's not a lot you'd want to do anyway. So this seems like a very solid budget oriented phone. Of course, it's a Samsung, but that's another issue.




sigh
By mfenn on 1/3/12, Rating: -1
RE: sigh
By Motoman on 1/3/2012 3:48:26 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, and isn't it about time we started giving Rod Blagojevich some slack too? And what's with the continuous hate on terrorists anyway? I mean, it's like everybody hates them all the time. Maybe we should try loving them?


RE: sigh
By ebakke on 1/3/2012 3:52:13 PM , Rating: 1
Right. Because any of those are comparable. [eyeroll]


RE: sigh
By Gondor on 1/3/2012 4:40:26 PM , Rating: 2
You ought to recalibrate your sarcasm detector, it appears to be malfunctioning.


RE: sigh
By idiot77 on 1/3/2012 6:22:16 PM , Rating: 2
Are you sure he wasn't thinking that the Samsung was an iPhone? It fooled the people at Apple....


Hardware Basis?
By ltcommanderdata on 1/3/12, Rating: -1
RE: Hardware Basis?
By sprockkets on 1/3/2012 5:13:52 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
I haven't compared them directly, but in theory an IPS screen as in the iPhone 4S should provide better viewing angles and color reproduction than a S-LCD screen as the Rezound has. Battery life on the Rezound also seems to be worse than the iPhone 4S, with the 4S sustaining 8 hrs on Engadget's standard video looping test compared to 4 hrs 15 mins for the Rezound.


The S-LCD in HTC phones is a PVA screen, it too has great viewing angles.

That and the SG2 in the UK is outselling the iphone4s AND iphone4 combined.

So, for now, yes, one android phone IS outselling the iphone, PERIOD.


RE: Hardware Basis?
By stm1185 on 1/3/2012 6:13:52 PM , Rating: 2
Viewing angles on a phone screen is a very stupid thing to care about anyway. You hold in your hand, so tilt it, and wow its perfect.

GPU power in a phone has yet to matter as gaming on a touch screen is very poor for anything with complicated controls. Just try playing GTA 3, its awful. As long as the GPU can keep up with high quality video on the display its good enough until they can figure out how to actually control 3D games enjoyably. Until then its just angry birds, fruit ninja, and awful on rails crap.

And as for battery life yep the iPhone is better. But do smart phones need to be able to be used 8 hours at a time? Are they really replacing your computer and tv for that whole time? Or is having 4 hours of video playback more then enough to cover you while you are away from a desk. Why anyone would want to spend 8 hours watching an iPhone's 3.5 inch screen is beyond me.


RE: Hardware Basis?
By lagomorpha on 1/3/2012 7:21:26 PM , Rating: 1
Actually battery life is one of my big complaints about Android. Sometimes I would like to be able to use it as a GPS, pandora radio, and spend a little time texting and checking webcomics and my email without having to keep it plugged in constantly. At the moment if you buy any Android phone you already know you're going to want to make sure to order the extended battery at the same time.


RE: Hardware Basis?
By leexgx on 1/3/2012 11:33:05 PM , Rating: 2
switch 3g off problem solved mostly (partly any way, or Not if your on 3UK as you cant turn 3g off so say hi to 4-7hrs or less bat life) set screen time out to 30secs or less, most Samsung phones use the the Super ALIMO (or what ever its called) that does pull more power on whiter the screen gets (Black back ground is the best to use)

but really they Need to sort out the HSDPA power usage as it sucks batteries way to fast and phone radios do not norm fall back to UMTS speeds to save power (even maybe fall back to 2g speeds when idle as even basic 3g uses more power then 2g idle but you lose data when in call on 2g) not that it matters as most android phones i have used norm fall back to 2g after 1-3 mins in call unless i have set phone to 3g only mode

Basic 3g on my old broken HTC HD blackstone (i broke it) had the ability to Turn off H but keep basic 3g UMTS active i could get 2 days between charges (that was with MS exchange google on all day )

i be happy if i could just disable HSDPA as UMTS for 95% of the stuff i do on the phone that speed is fine (Opera mini with images set to med, even google maps is mostly fine on UMTS)

thats why LTE phones are going to be very bad for bat life (why wp7 not like LTE yet as there is no 2g/3g/LTE single chip yet or at the time) as most makers are just slapping on LTE chip into the phone and saying we have LTE real 4G phone (both 2g/3g and LTE are active at the same time only data over LTE no voice not that i have seen yet)


RE: Hardware Basis?
By omnicronx on 1/4/2012 1:40:19 AM , Rating: 2
Handovers (i.e switching from say UTMS to 2G GSM) would actually cause worse battery drain, especially if it was constantly changing with the state of the phone.

HSDPA is actually an extension of UMTS and actually a close relative to it. (as a result, the switch between the two is a lot more natural than say HSDPA to CDMA)

Many android phones actually already do what you say, UMTS is the active connection until you go to use your data connection in which it will then make use of HSDPA.

It depends on the carrier though, GSM carriers seam to fall back to UMTS. My carrier (Bell) always stays on HSDPA because there is no UMTS fallback. (its a CDMA network with an HSDPA network overlayed ontop, so you either get CDMA2000 3g, or HSPDA)


RE: Hardware Basis?
By FITCamaro on 1/4/2012 10:40:48 AM , Rating: 2
My Thunderbolt with original battery has no issues lasting a 12 hour day provided I'm not trying to stream Pandora all 12 of those hours. But I doubt even an iPhone can last that long with constant use. My best friend just got an iPhone 4 (not S) and he was saying he has to charge it every day just like I do with my phone.


RE: Hardware Basis?
By Omega215D on 1/4/2012 2:16:38 PM , Rating: 2
Did you get the Rezound standard battery? I got one and placed it into my stock Thunderbolt and the battery life has been noticeably improved.

Though in my case I never had a problem getting more than 14 hours from my Thunderbolt before the new battery since Gingerbread was responsible for that

Yes, very few smartphones with a large screen (people keep forgetting that) will last long if the processor is constantly pegged (full speed, not dropped as reportedly on the iPhone).


RE: Hardware Basis?
By FITCamaro on 1/4/2012 2:57:02 PM , Rating: 2
No. Original battery as I said.


RE: Hardware Basis?
By Omega215D on 1/4/2012 3:34:59 PM , Rating: 2
I know but it was $20 during the holidays and I felt it was a great buy, especially since I'll be on this phone until the end of my contract.


RE: Hardware Basis?
By Omega215D on 1/4/2012 3:34:02 PM , Rating: 2
*will not last long


RE: Hardware Basis?
By HrilL on 1/3/2012 6:25:30 PM , Rating: 2
Love my Galaxy S II. Don't think I'd trade it for anything on the market at this point. It is getting to be aged though even if it is still one of the best phones on the market. Its almost a year old. Though the US release has been more recent compared to the EU release first came out.


RE: Hardware Basis?
By testerguy on 1/4/12, Rating: -1
RE: Hardware Basis?
By messele on 1/4/12, Rating: 0
RE: Hardware Basis?
By bug77 on 1/4/2012 12:32:40 PM , Rating: 2
I'm pretty sure you knew the answer was just a google away, but here it is: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/news/a358201/sams...

Feel free to counter with a more credible source.


RE: Hardware Basis?
By messele on 1/4/2012 5:11:12 PM , Rating: 1
I can't quote a credible source as none exist yet.

Just so you know, uswitch is a service in the UK that was initially founded to assist consumers in switching their electricity supplier to save money. They have now extended that service to many market sectors, first through landline suppliers and later mobile.

The key here is people go to uswitch to save money, that is why the chart has so many Android handsets as there are many price bands and many are given away free of charge.

People do not go to uswitch to get a cheaper iPhone tariff in general as there is little variance in price with bundled data being the biggest variance that exists between networks.

So for the simple reason they do not represent the market as a whole they do not give a complete picture and are therefore not a credible source in the UK.

Presumably only Google know the truth about activations of Android, and certainly only Apple know the facts and stats about iPhone activations so lets wait for the real numbers, not a bunch of speculative crud.


RE: Hardware Basis?
By ltcommanderdata on 1/4/2012 5:16:42 PM , Rating: 2
The problem with uSwitch is that they are simply providing statistics based on users of their comparison service. There's no telling what their sample size is and the target demographic is skewed toward people looking for bargains on phones and plans whereas Apple is generally acknowledge as targeting the higher-end demographic. In terms of credibility, not putting scales on any of their figures doesn't work in uSwitch's favour. Similarly problematic, is that they break up all the iPhone models separately. In this case only listing the iPhone 4S 16GB Black and iPhone 4 16GB Black. There are 5 other iPhone 4S models. The 16GB iPhone 4 isn't even officially selling anymore so it's curious that it's so popular. In any case, including remaining inventory of 16GB and 32GB models, there are 5 other iPhone 4 models. Each capacity/color may not necessarily be a top 10 selling smartphone, but adding them all together could be significant, something uSwitch doesn't represent.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/New-iPhone-No-thanks...

For comparison, Kantar Worldpanel, a dedicated market research firm, reports that Apple had a 31% smartphone marketshare in Britain in November. Admittedly, the Reuters article doesn't go into details on the technical details of the study such as sample size, but it's not going out on a limb to assume a professional research firm and a large media organization like Reuters has a proper vetting process. Either Apple's smartphone sales severely dropped from November to December or uSwitch's results reflect more their site's user preference than the country as a whole.


RE: Hardware Basis?
By messele on 1/4/2012 5:24:30 PM , Rating: 2
Indeed and do you find it strange that the S2 was the "Second best selling" handset in April 2011 when in fact it wasn't released in the UK until May.

Very odd, and pre-empting an obvious answer to that - a pre-sale is NOT a sale.

I've a feeling that the uswitch stats are not even sales stats as they do not handle the transaction themselves. I'd bet it's either a click count or a click-through to supplier count. Either way it can be dismissed as nonsense.


RE: Hardware Basis?
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/4/2012 4:12:33 PM , Rating: 2
You mean like others on here do?


RE: Hardware Basis?
By TakinYourPoints on 1/3/2012 7:07:38 PM , Rating: 3
RE: Hardware Basis?
By testerguy on 1/4/12, Rating: -1
RE: Hardware Basis?
By Cheesew1z69 on 1/4/2012 4:19:55 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
it also has pretty much leading specifications in every other department
LOL


RE: Hardware Basis?
By bug77 on 1/4/2012 4:44:31 PM , Rating: 2
Some of the leading specifications include: 1280x720, over 4" screen, expansion slot for extra storage, 1GB RAM, 21Mbps HSDPA, dual-band WiFi with DLNA, a radio and NFC. Top that off with LTE support. Oh wait...


RE: Hardware Basis?
By TakinYourPoints on 1/4/2012 6:50:35 PM , Rating: 2
Pretty much. Ignoring CPU/GPU performance like that due to extreme personal bias is pretty ridiculous: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4971/apple-iphone-4s...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4971/apple-iphone-4s...


RE: Hardware Basis?
By snakeInTheGrass on 1/5/2012 6:30:50 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah, I ended up on DT accidentally from a link elsewhere. Wrapping up every article about Android with a bow, slipping in non-stop (and largely unrelated / often incorrect) comments about Apple... hey, it does say 'blog' for Mick's entries, not 'news'. Then again, I don't want to read a crappy fandroid blog, which is why I stopped hitting DT at all - just annoying to see false stats, gratuitous jabs, etc. It's not news, it's not tech, it's a steaming pile.

The funny thing is that there are plenty of things not to like about Apple (which are often there as a result of trading consumer-friendly for accessible/expandable - which is a tradeoff people have to decide whether to make, and apparently they often will choose something that works more consistently over something that can be rooted), but turning a blind eye to everything wrong with other products just to try to pointlessly berate Apple users and products is just, as you point out, crap. Sure, ignore GPU, usability, ecosystem, etc. What else is new.

Anyway, off until the next accidental click. I'm sure this comment will disappear with downrating quickly anyway. :)


RE: Hardware Basis?
By shane.carroll on 1/6/2012 3:55:05 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I ended up on DT accidentally


quote:
until the next accidental click


yet, 285 "accidental" comments later, you're still trolling...


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