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Niko Bellic and company soar towards the half billion USD mark.

Pundits were itching to see a battle between Iron Man and Grand Theft Auto IV (GTA IV) last week. Some predicted that GTA IV would take a chunk out of Iron Man ticket sales, but that didn't turn out to be the case -- Iron Man managed to rack up over $100M during its first three-day weekend.

GTA IV also had a stellar opening and surpassed the lofty estimates that were thrown about for the past few weeks. Early estimates opined that GTA IV would generate $400M in sales during its first week. According to Take-Two, however, GTA IV pulled in a whopping $310M globally during the first 24 hours of availability and brought in $500M during its first week.

3.6M units were sold on opening day and more than 6M units were sold during the first week.

"We knew Grand Theft Auto IV would break new ground in terms of the player's experience, with its compelling story line, extraordinary gameplay and action that ranges over a broad urban canvas. Now, it has broken sales and rating records as well," said Take-Two chairman Strauss Zelnick. "Grand Theft Auto IV's first week performance represents the largest launch in the history of interactive entertainment, and we believe these retail sales levels surpass any movie or music launch to date."

The huge opening for GTA IV is no doubt attributable to the growing anticipation for the game once the initial delay was announced last fall along with the steady trickle of information relating to the game’s mechanics, story, and gameplay that was brought to the public's attention.

It also helped that nearly every gaming review site around the globe gave GTA IV a perfect or near-perfect score which further piqued the interests of potential buyers who may have been sitting on the fence.

Given the resounding success of GTA IV during its opening day and week, it should be interesting to see how Electronics Arts repositions itself in its bid to purchase Take-Two.



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Good for them
By FITCamaro on 5/7/2008 12:19:36 PM , Rating: 5
My $60 went into the pot.

But god I hope EA isn't able to purchase Take Two. Or this will probably be the last good GTA. EA will ruin it.




RE: Good for them
By darkpaw on 5/7/2008 12:23:35 PM , Rating: 5
I agree, but sadly I think EA will win in the end.

After hearing that Spore will be launching with an even more invasive DRM then Bioshock, my hate for EA went to an all new level.


RE: Good for them
By FITCamaro on 5/7/2008 12:30:29 PM , Rating: 2
Any link to this info? Not doubting you just curious because I was interested in Spore. But I'm not installing a game that puts shit on my system like Bioshock did (I didn't get it either just heard about it).


RE: Good for them
RE: Good for them
By mmntech on 5/7/2008 12:57:14 PM , Rating: 2
I'm trying to cut back on my game spending so it was either Mass Effect or Haze this month. This has made my decision easier. They wonder why PC gaming is dying. EA and BioWare are officially dead to me.

According to Wikipedia, Halo 3 only made $300 million during its first week. Looks like GTA IV claims the crown.


RE: Good for them
By therealnickdanger on 5/7/2008 1:11:59 PM , Rating: 5
Kinda apples/oranges. Just think if Halo 3 had launched on 360 and PS3 with the same number of consoles in the wild as today. Not discrediting the record revenue, but it's just not that black and white.

I had a chance to play GTA4 the other day... glitched into a wall within 5 minutes. I really didn't think the shooting controls were that much better than previous GTA games. TeamXbox gave this 10/10? Really? Really?


RE: Good for them
By Reclaimer77 on 5/7/2008 1:33:22 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I had a chance to play GTA4 the other day... glitched into a wall within 5 minutes. I really didn't think the shooting controls were that much better than previous GTA games. TeamXbox gave this 10/10? Really? Really?


quote:
http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?p=1085822...


A lot of people agree with ya.

I think the game is fun, but equally forgettable as Halo 3. I just don't think its the greatest game since the coming of mankind like some people are making it out to be. Once I beat it, I seriously question its replay value. Its fun, don't get me wrong. But a perfect 10 ???

The PC version, hopefully, will address some graphical issues I have with it. One being the fairly short and hazy draw distance. And the second being, for a high def next generation title, there are still far too many jaggy lines. Cranking up the Anti Ailiasing on the PC will take care of that.


RE: Good for them
By AlphaVirus on 5/7/2008 2:14:12 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Once I beat it,

Dang, it just came out a week ago, you already beat it? I am probably on 30% completion. Just starting on Packies missions.

They said the game contains 100 hours of game play...


RE: Good for them
By FITCamaro on 5/7/2008 2:38:07 PM , Rating: 2
He said once he beat it. Not that he had.


RE: Good for them
By Reclaimer77 on 5/7/2008 2:57:52 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Dang, it just came out a week ago, you already beat it? I am probably on 30% completion. Just starting on Packies missions.


Nah I didn't mean I beat it yet. I'm probably about where you are. Have done a few Packie jobs. LOL, that guy is a pretty cool character huh.

I'm actually moving through GTA4 much faster than any other GTA I have played before. Rampaging has been harshly nerfed in this version so I'm moving through the story missions a lot faster then I used to. Rampaging is what I call it when I just go around and see how long I can be killing and chaosing before the police and feds finally bring me down. Its a lot harder to keep that going in this game. Also the police respawn rate is INSANE in GTA4. They are literally everywhere it feels like.


RE: Good for them
By AlphaVirus on 5/7/2008 5:30:20 PM , Rating: 3
Oh I read it as "Once I beat it, I (started) to question its replay value" lol

quote:
Also the police respawn rate is INSANE in GTA4. They are literally everywhere it feels like.

Remember the game data is a replica of NYC. I read on a few other sites they took actual street camera footage to capture the demographics and police data of each area.
quote:
Rampaging has been harshly nerfed in this version so I'm moving through the story missions a lot faster then I used to.

I found this to be very true. The best way I have found to stay alive is get in a pretty sturdy car and burn rubber.

The cops are pretty good at shooting out your tires for some reason and if your car is too light it will skid out of control and if its too heavy it will flip.

That is another reason why I say the game is more movie-esque and much more realistic. You cant go on a rampage on Madison Square and expect to stay in a four-way cross street and live. The cops will tell you to surrender and if you don't they will gun you down. If you try to escape they will shoot out your tires and baracade every road.

The game is much more realistic than the previous versions; characters are smarter.


RE: Good for them
By dice1111 on 5/7/2008 4:50:06 PM , Rating: 2
You don't get it. It's the gameplay man! the gameplay!! I could care less about graphics as long as I have good gameplay. Thats what gaming is all about! GTA4 delilvers.


RE: Good for them
By The Sword 88 on 5/7/2008 4:59:15 PM , Rating: 2
The game play is great but it is not perfect IMO. I personally don't like the shooting controls very much and let's face it shooting is a big part of the game.

I would give it flat 9


RE: Good for them
By winterspan on 5/9/2008 5:09:49 AM , Rating: 2
You have to remember most people playing GTA IV are most likely used to existing console graphics. Not everyone has the money (or desire ) to spend obscene amounts of money every year or two on new hardware for the latest games. That said, I'm sure Crysis looks great at 2560x1600 on a 30" monitor with 9800GX2 SLI.


RE: Good for them
By bighairycamel on 5/7/2008 1:14:11 PM , Rating: 1
$300mil is correct.

And since I know it's only a matter of time before someone reminds us that Halo3 was only released for 1 system, I'll do the math ahead of time...

Claims are that the 360 version has sold 2:1 in comparison to the PS3 version, which would put the 360 verion of GTA IV alone at $334mil. Now let's say those numbers are bloated and really it was 1.5:1 then the 360 version still sold $300mil tieing with Halo3.


RE: Good for them
By deeznuts on 5/7/2008 1:26:39 PM , Rating: 3
The only one to claim 2:1 was MS, and in their statement they said "anectdotal evidence" which was shown to be off, way off.

I'm hearing 60:40 (your 1.5:1) being tossed around, which would land it squarely at $300M, but the userbase is bigger now than in the Halo period.


RE: Good for them
By Hiawa23 on 5/7/2008 5:08:55 PM , Rating: 2
The graphics & gameply deliver to me. Given the scope of the game & the limitations of the console, R* did an amazing job here. I just finished the funeral scene & the story telling is also breathtaking. This might be my favorite game this gen so far. Is the game perfect, hellno, perfect games I don't expect, but damn good...


RE: Good for them
By afkrotch on 5/7/2008 2:13:41 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
They wonder why PC gaming is dying.


I wonder why ppl think PC gaming is dying. Ya, I love to be stuck to old ass hardware. May not seem old now, but give it another 5-6 years and tell me how that goes.

While you were stuck playing Halo 2, we had games like Doom 3, Fear, HL², Knights of the Old Republic 2, BF2, etc.

Even now certain games simply suck on a console. Any kind of RTS blows on a console, when compared to it's PC brethren. Have yet to see an MMORPG translate well onto a console. Starcraft 2 will probably never touch a console.

Then there's the stupid exclusives. If you want all games, you have to get all three consoles. Sometimes multiple versions of the same console. To get all PC games you simply need one PC.

I have a PC, Japanese PS3, Japanese Xbox 360, and US Xbox 360. Stupid Microsoft for not making the 360 have region free games.

quote:
According to Wikipedia, Halo 3 only made $300 million during its first week. Looks like GTA IV claims the crown.


Halo 3 was only available for the 360. GTA IV was available for 360 and PS3. I'm sure if they showed the 360 sales, they've be near even.


RE: Good for them
By Omega215D on 5/7/2008 4:30:59 PM , Rating: 2
People tend to think that in order to game on the PC you have to spend a large sum to get a gaming PC. They don't seem to get the "bang for your buck" phrase when it comes to upgrading hardware which can last quite a while if a game is programmed properly (HL2 with it's good playability on older hardware). Then if you have a game that pushes current hardware to the limit people will complain instead of looking to get with the times.

The good thing about PC gaming is that the games tend to be cheaper than their console versions and they are highly modifiable.


RE: Good for them
By AlphaVirus on 5/7/2008 5:55:28 PM , Rating: 1
One of the main problems I have with PC gaming is the wide range of issues. For example online multiplayer games (which I mostly play) you will have some people running Quad core systems while some will only have Celerons. Ram, graphics cards, cpu chips and internet connection all have to be factored in with online play.

With a console, you just boot up and play because everyone is forced to have broadband and everyone has the exact same specs. The only variable would be if you are from Japan and playing someone in Brazil or something similar.


RE: Good for them
By Omega215D on 5/7/2008 4:58:34 PM , Rating: 1
Ooh, Doom 4: http://pc.ign.com/articles/872/872097p1.html

Sorry for being a bit off topic but since we are talking about PC gaming why not.

Now when is Rockstar gonna bring GTA IV to the PC, the controller feels wrong to me.


RE: Good for them
By FITCamaro on 5/7/2008 1:52:52 PM , Rating: 2
Wonderful. I mean I already played Mass Effect on 360 but cmon. KOTOR did not use anything like that on the PC.

Honestly, I don't mind if the games exe goes out to a remote server to check validation. Thats as simple as pinging an IP with a CD Key and getting an affirmative response. It doesn't require any extra software to be installed on my system. But from what I've read, the DRM in Bioshock was far nastier than that. If Spore is the same way, I'll have qualms about buying it. When spend my hard earned money on something when they don't trust me with it enough to let me play it in peace.

You'd think game developers would be smart enough to know that regardless of their DRM, its going to be cracked. So theres little point in deploying it since you're only punishing the paying consumer and making the hackers work an extra day or two.


RE: Good for them
By AlphaVirus on 5/7/2008 2:21:18 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
You'd think game developers would be smart enough to know that regardless of their DRM, its going to be cracked. So theres little point in deploying it since you're only punishing the paying consumer and making the hackers work an extra day or two

That is the main problem, when paying customers have to struggle with the crap they put on there. When I buy a game, I want to pop it in and play; dont riddle me with all this confusion.


RE: Good for them
By PeteRoy on 5/7/2008 7:44:04 PM , Rating: 2
EA gays, challenge everything!


RE: Good for them
By Warren21 on 5/7/2008 11:34:43 PM , Rating: 2
More like:

EA Games: Turn everything into a challenge.


RE: Good for them
By truk007 on 5/7/2008 12:46:42 PM , Rating: 2
I didn't hear anything about this. What is surreptitiously installed with Bioshock? I had been planning on buying the game. I dislike the idea of somebody encroaching on my belongings.

Please respond, if you can spare the time.

Thanks.


RE: Good for them
By sliderule on 5/7/2008 12:52:04 PM , Rating: 2
Mass Effect for PC will have this same over the top DRM.

http://masseffect.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.htm...


RE: Good for them
By sliderule on 5/7/2008 12:53:20 PM , Rating: 2
^
oops, sorry didn't realize Bladevenom posted a link about it.


RE: Good for them
By darkpaw on 5/7/2008 1:19:24 PM , Rating: 2
Someone already got the links, so I'll just comment and then go bitch some more.

EA is trying it's damndest to wring the life out of PC gaming. These DRM measures do nothing at all to combat piracy, all the little pirate buttbuddies will just go download the game from the torrent and be happy and their games will run better!

What it does is bend over the people like myself that whole heartedly support the industry and buy every single game we play. DRM is a blight on legitimate customers and how any gaming company can inflict that on people is beyond me. I was hoping the great success Stardock has been having with ZERO DRM would be an eye opener for the industry, but apparently not.

Let me put this in terms a business executative can understand. DRM will not sell more of a title. People that will pirate will pirate it anyways. It will cost you sales from people like myself that refuse to install that crap on my computer just to play a game. It will cost you liscensing fees for DRM that does not work. Just sell the damn game and stop screwing your PAYING customers.

I didn't buy Bioshock for the PC, I ended up getting a very discounted copy for the 360 that the dev pockets less of the money on.

Oh, and Firaxis you're on my sh!tlist too. After building my new system and spending hours trying to get my paid for copies of Civ4 to run I find out the DRM on the CD is incompatible with my new DVD Writer. First, thats just BS to begin with, second they pass off all responsibility to the DRM company, which has in turn been bought by someone else and doesn't bother providing support.

Once again the PAYING customer gets the shaft, while little Johnny pirate has no such issues.

Thanks a lot -

Disgruntled PC Gamer


RE: Good for them
By michal1980 on 5/7/08, Rating: 0
RE: Good for them
By darkpaw on 5/7/2008 1:49:26 PM , Rating: 3
Oh I agree, there wouldn't be a problem if people didn't pirate. That isn't going to change though, if anything the younger generation think they have an entiltement to piracy. Personally, as someone that does part time software development work I think pirates are cheap ass losers.

That still doesn't mean businesses should treat their paying customers like criminals.


RE: Good for them
By Reclaimer77 on 5/7/2008 1:35:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
EA is trying it's damndest to wring the life out of PC gaming. These DRM measures do nothing at all to combat piracy


Sadly I have to agree. If your going to take measures like this, fine I guess. But they don't actually stop the problem. They just add headaches to the experience of the honest buying consumer. What gives ?


RE: Good for them
By FITCamaro on 5/7/2008 1:55:46 PM , Rating: 1
I didn't even think Civ4 had any DRM. I certainly never noticed it. All I ever saw it require was the CD to be in the drive.


RE: Good for them
By darkpaw on 5/7/2008 2:01:37 PM , Rating: 2
The CD check is the DRM, the SecureROM system I think. Problem is, in certain drives (mostly SATA DVDRWs for some reason) the DRM will flag the CD as invalid no matter what.

CD checks hadn't really bothered me all that much in the past until this. I was happy to finally be running an all SATA system without any bulky IDE cables, but that changed pretty quick.


RE: Good for them
By AntiV6 on 5/7/2008 3:43:20 PM , Rating: 2
Get it off STEAM.

No DRM and/or Bloatware FTW.


RE: Good for them
By mles1551 on 5/7/2008 12:57:24 PM , Rating: 2
Speaking of Spore and Will Wright, anyone remember what the original Sim City asked?
Was that the ancient floppy equivalent of SecuROM?

And to stay on topic:
I'll be picking up my copy this weekend to try and support Take Two's resistance against the Dark Empire of EA.


RE: Good for them
By MozeeToby on 5/7/2008 1:58:35 PM , Rating: 2
If you want to stop the take-over you could always buy some take-two stock. It's only at $26 a share, 100 shares would be $2,600, a significant amount of money yes but imagine if a hundred thousand loyal fans did it.

It could be a revolution, entertainment companies being owned by the fans that support them. This is only slightly tongue-in-cheek, the more I think about it the more I think it isn't a half bad idea.


RE: Good for them
By ajvitaly on 5/7/08, Rating: 0
RE: Good for them
By Omega215D on 5/7/2008 4:36:56 PM , Rating: 2
Odd, console games have copy protection too it's just that you need a mod chip or something to play bootlegged games. Nobody complaining about that now.

Honestly after installing BioShock I really don't see what the fuss is about. It wasn't as bad as UbiSoft use of STARFORCE.


RE: Good for them
By djkrypplephite on 5/7/2008 1:17:19 PM , Rating: 3
I agree. EA just ruins things. I want these companies to stay separate. Otherwise we'll see GTA: Carbon and GTA: Underground soon and it's going to ruin it.


RE: Good for them
By FITCamaro on 5/7/2008 1:58:18 PM , Rating: 2
Lol. GTA but set in the harsh world of an underground street racer with nothing to lose. Combat won't work but you'll be able to apply "phat" vinyls to your stolen cars and do 120 mph around 90 degree corners.


RE: Good for them
By FITCamaro on 5/7/2008 1:58:54 PM , Rating: 2
And how much people like you will depend on how much bling your character wears.


RE: Good for them
By afkrotch on 5/7/2008 3:33:27 PM , Rating: 2
It was called Saints Row. The more bling your character was wearing, the more points you'd get in a mission. We are talking nose rings, earrings, gold chains, etc.


RE: Good for them
By AlphaVirus on 5/7/2008 5:38:50 PM , Rating: 2
Similar to EA's Army of Two, the more flashy your weapon is the more aggro you receive. When you 'pimp out' your gun with diamonds and gold plated material it increases your aggro by a bunch.


RE: Good for them
By ATC on 5/7/2008 1:30:31 PM , Rating: 2
It's going to cost EA a lot more now that GTA4 is out and doing this well. Great game and I also hope EA fails in its acquisition attempt. I hope T2's price turns off EA shareholders. Here's hoping.


RE: Good for them
By darkpaw on 5/7/2008 3:54:04 PM , Rating: 2
As was pointed out on another site I read, the massive sales of GTA were already figured into the current share price. There hasn't been a real huge change since the release of the game.

EA's offer is still a bit low, but they'll win. They always do and we (the customer) always loses.


RE: Good for them
By ATC on 5/7/2008 5:40:43 PM , Rating: 2
If that's the case then d@**


RE: Good for them
By thebrown13 on 5/7/2008 7:42:29 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah right, EA will fix GTA's broken controls.


RE: Good for them
By EATTHEAPPLE on 6/1/2008 1:16:01 AM , Rating: 2
I am glad that I can finally decide what I pay the hooker. 20 bucks is usually good for me, but I think she gave me a virus


Piracy, meh
By amanojaku on 5/7/2008 1:08:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Iron Man managed to rack up over $100M during its first three-day weekend.
quote:
According to Take-Two, however, GTA IV pulled in a whopping $310M globally during the first 24 hours of availability and brought in $500M during its first week.


It's numbers like these that put piracy claims into perspective. Yes, piracy does exist and will always be a force to be reckoned with. A quality product, however, will encourage consumers to spend.




RE: Piracy, meh
By michal1980 on 5/7/2008 1:39:25 PM , Rating: 1
wrong way to look at it. A game that sells 500million that piracy will just be a small chunk.

But what about the smaller game developer? or a smaller title? Just because your volume is smaller doesn't mean the game isn't as good. But lossing a hundred thosand on a game who sales are $1million, is alot worse to the company that losses 5million while making 500million. even though the % of sales is the same, that money have more value on a game with less volume.

Put it this way.

Lets say you really like steak. and you have 2 steaks and someone took 1. You'll car much more then if you had 1million steaks and someone took 500k.


RE: Piracy, meh
By bighairycamel on 5/7/2008 2:01:26 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
But lossing a hundred thosand on a game who sales are $1million, is alot worse to the company that losses 5million while making 500million. even though the % of sales is the same

1% of $1million is $10k, not 100k.


RE: Piracy, meh
By LumbergTech on 5/7/2008 2:04:01 PM , Rating: 3
Lets say you really like steak. and you have 2 steaks and someone took 1. You'll car much more then if you had 1million steaks and someone took 500k.

um...no...thats not true..i would care a lot more if i had a million and someone took 500,000


RE: Piracy, meh
By FITCamaro on 5/7/2008 2:41:45 PM , Rating: 5
Yeah I'd be like "That b*tch took my steak. Run'em down boys!" *Releases the dogs*


RE: Piracy, meh
By afkrotch on 5/7/2008 3:36:16 PM , Rating: 2
I'd care in both cases. That's half my steaks.


RE: Piracy, meh
By kyleb2112 on 5/7/2008 4:00:11 PM , Rating: 2
I eat all your steaks after I drink your milkshake.


RE: Piracy, meh
By Macelind on 5/8/2008 11:12:10 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I eat all your steaks after I drink your milkshake.


Damn A1 steak sauce!


uh check my math here but....
By walk2k on 5/7/2008 4:05:06 PM , Rating: 2
6 millon x $60 = $360M... not $500M

$500M / 6 million = average price of $83.33

??




By FITCamaro on 5/7/2008 5:50:50 PM , Rating: 2
It undoubtedly did not sell as much as the standard version but the collector's edition is $90.


RE: uh check my math here but....
By miccla on 5/7/2008 6:03:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
GTA IV pulled in a whopping $310M globally during the first 24 hours of availability and brought in $500M during its first week.


I'm guessing it's to do whith the retail price in places other than the USA being higher. In the UK i think it was £50 which is about $100 US. I've also seen it for sale at 75 euro where i live. Thats $115 US !!!


By Aloonatic on 5/8/2008 5:36:25 AM , Rating: 2
In the UK GTA4 was going for £45 on the high street and £40 from on-line retailers.

Works out at ~= £38 to £34 if you take off VAT (UK sales tax @ 17.5%)

Guess that's ~= $75 to $70 before sales taxes

Another fine example of the great treatment that the UK shopper receives.

Still, something is only worth what people will pay for it and for some reason we are happy to pay over the odds for lots of things over here it seems.

I was lucky and received a copy for £40 from someone who's boss won a PS3 copy on a radio show and was going to give it to their son only to find that they had a PS2 =D

Far as I know they could easily have sold more too, lots of people I know didn't manage to get a copy and want one


By deeznuts on 5/7/2008 7:48:18 PM , Rating: 2
I also live in the US, but why does it seem quite frequent, that some people don't get US doesn't equal the world?


overated game
By Min Jia on 5/7/2008 9:41:11 PM , Rating: 2
I bought this game because of the perfect reviews. But after playing the game, I felt cheated. It's nowhere near perfect. The graphics are joke, and the game is also destroying PS3 consoles all over the world.




RE: overated game
By ATC on 5/7/2008 11:59:30 PM , Rating: 2
It has been mentioned already a million times but here's one more: GTA series was never about graphics, it's all game play. And GTA4 is better, deeper and has the best attention to detail of all previous GTAs.

There's nothing wrong with not liking it as it's not for everyone. But it has a mass following for a reason and it's not hype.

Out of curiosity, where are you getting "the game is destroying PS3s" from? Never heard of it happening and we're using it daily on 3 PS3s between three buddies (two 80GBs and one 40GB).


RE: overated game
By psychobriggsy on 5/8/2008 8:15:34 AM , Rating: 2
The graphics are good, not brilliant, although the scale of the game makes this understandable. The storyline is actually surprisingly good and draws you in. The gameplay is also far more realistic than previous GTAs. You can't rate the game solely on the graphics, that would be incredibly adolescent.


RE: overated game
By Min Jia on 5/17/2008 12:22:48 AM , Rating: 2
They (the graphics) look like a joke to me because first, the reviews gave it a 10/10, second, I'm a PC gamer that used to high quality graphcis, and GTA4 graphics are low quatily... 10/10? LOL... I played the game for 1 hour and stopped, just can't stand it, both graphics and gameplay wise.

BTW, just google "GTA4 killed my PS3" and see how many hits you got. The game is corrupting hard drives of the only 60GB models.


Math doesn't add up
By darkpaw on 5/7/2008 3:56:32 PM , Rating: 2
Just looking at the math, I'm not sure how these figures line up.

6 million copies at $500M total is about $83 a copy. While I know that Euro prices are higher then the US, it would have to be a ton of copies to push the average sales price up $23 ea.

Doesn't that look off to anyone else?




RE: Math doesn't add up
By PseudoKnight on 5/7/2008 5:01:42 PM , Rating: 2
Collector's editions.


RE: Math doesn't add up
By AlphaVirus on 5/7/2008 5:39:33 PM , Rating: 2
Also the PS3 bundles.


*ahem*
By Alpha4 on 5/7/2008 7:51:35 PM , Rating: 2
...This was a Triumph!




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