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GMC Denali XT Hybrid Concept
GM adds many fuel-saving features to its unibody pickup truck

All auto manufacturers are thinking "green" these days and many will showcase their fuel-efficient vehicles at the upcoming 2008 Chicago Auto Show. In this age of broken embargos and leaked specifications, it comes as no surprise that one of GM's vehicles to be showcased at the show was leaked early.

The new GMC Denali XT Concept is based on the same Zeta platform that forms the basis of the upcoming Pontiac G8 sedan and Chevy Camaro. The low-slung concept features a fully-independent front and rear suspension, 23" wheels and a 55" bed with Midgate. The Midgate feature -- similar in concept to the Chevrolet Avalanche and Cadillac Escalade EXT -- extends the bed to a full seven feet.

The most important part of the Denali XT Concept, however, is its advanced powertrain. The concept uses a brand new 4.9-liter, 326 HP small-block V8 engine with direct injection. The new 4.9-liter engine can be powered by regular gasoline or E85 ethanol and uses cylinder-deactivation to run on just four cylinders under light loads for better fuel economy.

In addition, the Denali XT concept features GM's two-mode hybrid system which can also be found on the 2008 GMC Yukon Hybrid, 2008 Chevy Tahoe Hybrid and 2009 Saturn Vue Green Line. GM's two-mode hybrid system allows lumbering behemoths like the Yukon and Tahoe achieve 20+ MPG in the city.

"Like all GMCs, the Denali XT is functional and capable, but it blends those traits with a more efficient, sporty driving experience," said GMC general manager Jim Bunnell. "It is a vehicle that exemplifies GMC's engineering excellence, as well as GM's commitment to hybrid and advanced technologies."

The GMC Denali XT Concept foreshadows the production model which could debut in the U.S. within the next year. Styling will no doubt be toned down somewhat for the production model, but expect to see many of the fuel-saving technologies to carry over to the road-going version.



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By shabby on 2/3/08, Rating: 0
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By Brandon Hill (blog) on 2/3/2008 12:54:04 PM , Rating: 5
It's not meant to be a "work site" truck.

Think Honda Ridgeline, only with some grunt.

You'd be surprised how many pickups are used as commuter vehicles these days. They have leather, moonroofs, DVD navigation, flip-down DVD players in the ceiling, and all the other conveniences you'd find in a luxury car.

I don't think there's anything wrong with offering a car-based pickup that gets good gas mileage, yet can also carry a washing machine/dryer or other bulky loads from time to time.


RE: ...
By Spoelie on 2/4/2008 5:46:51 AM , Rating: 2
Good gas mileage is relative. Putting a V8, in a heavy vehicle, aerodynamically equivalent to a brick, on huge rims, is just no good recipe to get even what one would consider as above average gas mileage, no matter what "fuel saving technologies" are employed. I have no intention to start any euro vs us, diesel vs gas etc. discussion that are littered around dailytech, but here is what for example Kia is doing (pic http://www.adgoog.com/blog/photo/15409a-kia_eco_ce... ) - most of which are already available in BMW's "efficient dynamics" cars:

The Frankfurt show concept car, based on the new three-door Kia pro_cee’d hatchback fitted with a 1.6-litre CRDi diesel engine, boasted a combination of small but significant modifications and equipment additions to the standard vehicle. These resulted in a 17% reduction in fuel consumption (down to just 3.9 litres/100km = 60 MPG ), and lower CO2 emissions (just 104 g/km, down 8.4%).

Aerodynamic enhancements cut drag to Cd 0.29 (from 0.33 representing a significant 11% improvement). Following extensive wind-tunnel testing, Kia engineers lowered the concept’s suspension, fitted under-floor coverings to the front, middle and rear of the vehicle, adopted wheel arch linings with ‘spoiler’ lips to smooth airflow around the wheels, and added a low-drag front grille to improve air flow over the vehicle. Finally, ultra-low rolling resistance Michelin tyres were mounted on special 17-inch alloy wheels that generate minimum disturbance to the airflow along the sides of the car.

Engine changes which will transfer to the ‘eco’ cee’d range from the concept car include measures to maximise fuel efficiency and reduce emissions, such as reduced turbo boost pressure (diesel models), enhanced fuel injection timing, modified residual gas rates and reductions in internal engine friction.

ISG features regenerative braking, which automatically recharges the battery during deceleration, and switches the engine off when the car is stopped and the engine is at idle, dramatically cutting both fuel consumption and emissions during typical stop-start city driving.

All the new ‘eco’ cee’d’ models will be fitted with a new six-speed manual gearbox instead of the five-speed used on standard cars. Higher ratios for fourth, fifth and sixth gears will improve fuel consumption at motorway speeds. First, second and third gears retain the standard ratios to ensure that the dynamic performance of the standard car accelerating from standstill is carried over.

To further guarantee that the ‘eco’ cee’d models’ engines and transmissions are always operating at high efficiency, an ECU-controlled ‘Shift Indicator’ will be fitted in the instrument cluster. This displays the optimum gear choice for the speed at which the car is travelling, and indicates the ideal moment (based on road speed and engine speed) at which to change gear.


RE: ...
By Torched on 2/4/2008 9:35:15 AM , Rating: 3
Yeah, thats great for a lot of people. Needless to say, some people need to haul things. That little kia is not made for that. Can all the eco-friendly people just be glad that fuel efficiency is headed in the right direction?


RE: ...
By Spoelie on 2/4/2008 11:37:47 AM , Rating: 1
I'm indicating it's kind of a stretch calling that pickup green or it having good gas mileage. For very occasional towing/moving, you do not need to BUY a pickup, renting the necessary equipment is smarter. And most people who will buy it belong to this group.

You can make a "towing-case" if you do haul stuff a lot/professionally, but even then, it strikes me there are better options available - though they probably won't be as bling-bling as this one.

That's actually why people will want it: the big V8, the pimp-look etc. Not because of the economy or the need for towing capacity. And hey, it's their right, I'm only putting into perspective that these are just babysteps and something will need to change fundamentally before we can call pickups "green".


RE: ...
By Spuke on 2/4/2008 11:52:41 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'm only putting into perspective that these are just babysteps and something will need to change fundamentally before we can call pickups "green".
So what's "green" in your book?


RE: ...
By Torched on 2/4/2008 1:07:29 PM , Rating: 2
Will you admit that it is good that the industry is moving in the right direction? Can I hear you say it in your post: "A 20+MPG truck is a step in the right direction?" It will help your argument, believe me.

We all know 20+MPG is not the "be all end all" for trucks, but to get from step A to step B one must admit there needs to be a few stops in between. Either say the above or quit rationalizing the fact that all people will drive a car like the above referenced Kia. We all know it won't happen. Its more realistic to assume truck MPG's will improve until engines can be replaced with practical high torque electrical motors.


RE: ...
By Spuke on 2/4/08, Rating: 0
RE: ...
By FITCamaro on 2/3/2008 1:54:38 PM , Rating: 2
The Denali isn't meant to be a work truck. They're status symbol vehicles to say "look at me I have a big luxury truck."

One thing thats is good about this plan is that it gets another potential vehicle on the platform the Camaro is using which will help drive down the cost. The more of those platforms they build, the cheaper it gets to make them.


RE: ...
By FITCamaro on 2/3/2008 1:57:53 PM , Rating: 2
I also have to wonder if this new 4.9L V8 will make it into the new Camaro. That would be a potentially great base V8 engine. I'm sure they can even pump a few more horsepower out of it. Then have an LS3 variant as well.


RE: ...
By KamiXkaze on 2/3/2008 6:50:26 PM , Rating: 2
That would be nice tho if GM was trying to cut cost, but what I want is the LS3 in the new Camaro nothing more can't wait for the Z28 variant for that baby.

KxK


RE: ...
By FITCamaro on 2/4/2008 8:05:24 AM , Rating: 2
I agree but an inexpensive, fuel efficient V8 model is preferable to me than a V6. :)

You figure with direct injection and DoD, with proper gearing it'll probably get pretty damn good mileage.


RE: ...
By theapparition on 2/4/2008 2:00:06 PM , Rating: 2
Everyone wants the LS3, but the door is still open to put the L76 engine from the Commodore (aka G8) in there. The L76 has DoD, and might get better mileage.


RE: ...
By AlexandertheBlue on 2/3/2008 2:05:12 PM , Rating: 3
All new vehicles are too pretty to beat the living daylights out on a worksite in my opinion, but someone will do it anyway. Design intent or not


RE: ...
By Anonymous Freak on 2/4/2008 1:06:19 AM , Rating: 2
I'm sure that not a single Cadillac Escalade EXT has ever had anything resembling 'work' ever put into its bed. Heck, I'd be surprised if a single one has even done so much as haul furniture.


RE: ...
By mles1551 on 2/4/2008 1:56:53 AM , Rating: 2
Saw one in LA a couple of months ago on the 405 with a toolbox and an air compressor in the back.
Also seen a Dodge Ram SRT10 quad cab with a ladder rack. Granted it could've just been a reg. Ram in Vipers clothing, but it's hard to fake an EXT.

I come from a farming background and have seen several F150 Lariats, Chevy LT(Z)s, $45K+ trucks put into service pulling chemical and seed to the field. Just b/c they cost a lot does not mean they won't do what the cheaper ones will.

That being said: This "truck" is for city people. Last time I checked they don't market SuperDutys & HDs to people who care about their city MPG.

Also, didn't they already try basically this same idea with the Envoy XUV?


RE: ...
By Spuke on 2/4/2008 11:33:16 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Saw one in LA a couple of months ago on the 405 with a toolbox and an air compressor in the back.
The guy that installed my plantation shutters used one as his work truck.


RE: ...
By CU on 2/4/2008 12:22:56 PM , Rating: 2
This is more like the EXT or Avalanche which is a four door short bed truck that converts to a normal bed 2 door truck. The XUV is a 4 door SUV that converts into a 2 door truck/suv. It is like having a camper shell on your Avalanche that retracts and hides away.

I have an XUV and my wife and I love it. It is so nice to to have for carrying everything my wife wants to care for our babies. We had a 4 door corolla for awhile, but my wife could not fit everything in it when we went shopping as a family. Plus unlike a mini van we can haul whatever we want in the back without worrying to much since you can just hose it out. However it would be nice to get more than our current avg of 19.1 mpg.


RE: ...
By rcsinfo on 2/3/2008 2:18:41 PM , Rating: 2
Remember the El Camino or Ford Ranchero? I think this is more along those lines. Definitely not a work truck, but more utility than a car.


RE: ...
By KamiXkaze on 2/3/2008 6:54:00 PM , Rating: 2
I thought the SSR (more so a non-truck) was more on the lines of the El Camino/El Ranchero.


RE: ...
By FITCamaro on 2/4/2008 9:25:49 AM , Rating: 2
Actually the SSR while marketed as a sport truck, was built on a full truck frame. Hence its extremely high weight. It could tow if needed.


RE: ...
By blowfish on 2/3/08, Rating: 0
RE: ...
By Spuke on 2/3/2008 3:27:22 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
what excuses will they find to keep making gas engines?
Because they're cheaper?


RE: ...
By FITCamaro on 2/4/2008 9:29:06 AM , Rating: 2
Or that they can go farther than a battery powered vehicle.

Battery powered vehicles, regardless of how good a battery, will never be able to have the flexibility of an engine that runs on some type of fuel. When you run out of fuel, you refill it. When you run out of battery power, you have to stop and recharge. Yes cars like the Volt mitigate this, but I don't think even the Volt is built for cross country trips with would require the gas engine to be constantly charging the battery. I could be wrong though.


RE: ...
By mcturkey on 2/3/2008 7:14:35 PM , Rating: 2
Uhm... You do realize GM is one of the biggest investors in advanced battery technology, right? Read up on the Volt and how it works. It runs entirely on batteries, which can be charged by an on-board engine (which, since it will run at a constant speed, can be optimized to get incredible efficiency). This engine can be gasoline, ethanol, diesel, hydrogen, or just about anything else, since the system is built to be extremely flexible. GM plans to ramp up to about a million vehicles per year on this drivetrain within about a decade.

That said, gasoline/diesel powered vehicles are NOT going away overnight. There are some tasks for which hybrid technology is simply not mature enough for, and the costs are in most cases still far too steep for non-gasoline vehicles to become mainstream. It WILL happen, but not for quite some time.


RE: ...
By Spuke on 2/4/2008 9:55:04 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
GM plans to ramp up to about a million vehicles per year on this drivetrain within about a decade.
One million per year? The F150 doesn't even sell one million per year. Where did you get this number from?


RE: ...
By masher2 (blog) on 2/4/2008 11:32:57 AM , Rating: 3
I won't comment on his figure, but he did say "drivetrain". A manufacturer might share a drivetrain across a dozen or more different vehicles.


RE: ...
By Spuke on 2/4/2008 11:42:03 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
I won't comment on his figure, but he did say "drivetrain". A manufacturer might share a drivetrain across a dozen or more different vehicles.
I can buy that but they would have to use it in everything to get that million car mark. And frankly, I don't see record sales in the future with the cost of all this new tech. The Volt is supposed to ring in at $30k. My guess is closer to $35k in real money.

Don't believe? Tahoe Hybrid rings in at $50k TODAY!!


RE: ...
By ElFenix on 2/4/2008 1:43:59 PM , Rating: 2
the $50K tahoe hybrid is based on a top of the line $46K tahoe. and those prices are before $15,000 dealer discounts. once they get production up and running you'll probably see much lower costs and the product in just about everything.

for the record, GM probably sells 750,000 full size trucks, not including tahoes, suburbans, etc. if you include full size trucks with full size body-on frame SUVs GM sells well over a million a year, i'm sure.


RE: ...
By Spuke on 2/4/2008 2:40:30 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
the $50K tahoe hybrid is based on a top of the line $46K tahoe. and those prices are before $15,000 dealer discounts.
The price of the car is $50k. If you can get it for $15k less, good, but that is not a price that you can expect to get automatically at every dealership. You can expect to pay $50k.


RE: ...
By 67STANG on 2/3/2008 4:08:15 PM , Rating: 1
Don't want to be a troll but.... Did you say that thing looks pretty? It looks lika a cartoonish version of a Honda Ridgeline, which looks like vomit on wheels...

GM should just stick to what they do best: copy other successful designs (PT Cruiser = HHR, Neon = Cobalt, Viper = C6 Covette, etc.)

The only original design I've seen from them in a LONG time is the Volt...


RE: ...
By GaryJohnson on 2/3/2008 4:47:45 PM , Rating: 3
Wasn't the Ridgeline a kind of copy of the Avalanche?


RE: ...
By 67STANG on 2/3/2008 6:25:10 PM , Rating: 2
It kind of was. But that's where Honda and GM are different, when Honda copies, they chose unpopular designs (I don't see too many Avalanches running around), when GM copies they do it off of models that actually sell.

But if the Ridgline is a copy of the Avalanche, then I guess you could say GM has ressurected the Avalanche (which never sold well in the first place) and is using it as the platform for their new "green" SUT.

Either way, I guess I am just saying... I'd like to seem some original designs from GM that are not horribly ugly. I know they are capable... Look at the simplicity of the 300M/Charger/Magnum from Chrysler. They are relatively simplistic *original* designs that look good and are insanely popular.


RE: ...
By KamiXkaze on 2/3/2008 8:43:42 PM , Rating: 2
What about the Solstice/Sky those too are great designs as well.

KxK


RE: ...
By HaB1971 on 2/3/2008 10:16:25 PM , Rating: 1
Both of which are taken straight from the Vauxhall VX220 from the UK.
Yet another cross platform vehicle from GM.


RE: ...
By Spuke on 2/3/2008 10:24:12 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Both of which are taken straight from the Vauxhall VX220 from the UK.
Err. No. The Solstice/Sky are built on a completely new and separate platform. Shared parts are the transmission from the Colorado truck, rear differential from the Cadillac CTS, and the base cars 2.4L engine. The turbo 2L in the Solstice GXP/Sky Redline is a brand new design that is NOW shared with the brand new HHR SS and Cobalt SS.


RE: ...
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 2/3/2008 10:29:01 PM , Rating: 3
Do you even have any clue what you are talking about? The Vauxhall VX220 was based on the Lotus Elise, a mid-engined car.


What I want to see...
By daftrok on 2/3/2008 1:02:24 PM , Rating: 2
Just a regular truck, like an F150:
1) That runs on diesel (compatible with biodiesel as well, its not hard to convert a diesel engine into a biodiesel engine)
2) with hydraulic hybrid technology
3) Turbo charger. This also increases efficiency, though I am not 100% sure it can be done on diesel engines.
4) Bluetec catalytic converter technology. This cuts down smog forming emissions by 80%.

This is the quickest, cheapest solution to make trucks run at 30-40 miles per gallon and keeping the air clean too. These companies are continuing to stall making this jump and I'm pretty sure they won't make some major changes until the '10s.




RE: What I want to see...
By Spuke on 2/3/2008 1:40:23 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
3) Turbo charger. This also increases efficiency, though I am not 100% sure it can be done on diesel engines.
99% of diesel engines today are turbocharged. I only say 99% because I'm sure there's an exception or two out there. I DO know that 100% of diesel pickup engines are turbocharged also.


RE: What I want to see...
By Spuke on 2/3/2008 1:44:20 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
This is the quickest, cheapest solution to make trucks run at 30-40 miles per gallon and keeping the air clean too.
You really think it's "cheap and easy" to get 30 mpg on a truck. Don't you think if it was so cheap and easy it would have been done already? Why wouldn't the car makers want to have 30 mpg trucks? The marketing departments alone would drool at the though of the high sales they could generate by advertising a 30 mpg truck. A 30 mpg truck would dwarf sales of even the F150.


RE: What I want to see...
By Ratwar on 2/3/2008 2:31:14 PM , Rating: 2
I doubt it. People buying trucks are after power more than fuel efficiency, and that's no considering customer loyalty.


RE: What I want to see...
By mindless1 on 2/3/2008 4:03:05 PM , Rating: 2
People buying trucks aren't necessarily wanting this hybrid car-truck, and many who do own light trucks and don't haul with them find a modest sized V6 engine acceptible, but would still like some economy to decrease cost at the gas pump.


RE: What I want to see...
By kake on 2/3/2008 9:11:32 PM , Rating: 2
I have a Silverado with the 4.3L V6 and pull an 8" trailer for work (electrician), and although hills will pull it down to a max of 55, everything else is fine and yes, 18mpg is nice.


RE: What I want to see...
By Spuke on 2/3/2008 10:26:05 PM , Rating: 2
My wife's V8 Tundra gets the same gas mileage and the V8 Silverado's get better than that.


RE: What I want to see...
By mindless1 on 2/8/2008 3:27:08 AM , Rating: 2
OK, but 18MPG isn't very good at all for a light truck.


RE: What I want to see...
By KamiXkaze on 2/3/2008 7:20:11 PM , Rating: 2
Believe it or not if GM had the ability to make 30 mpg full size truck. They would advertise the crap out of it just to try and unseat the F150.

KxK


RE: What I want to see...
By AlexandertheBlue on 2/3/2008 2:02:58 PM , Rating: 2
It appears that vehicles are not your forte sir.

quote:
1) That runs on diesel (compatible with biodiesel as well, its not hard to convert a diesel engine into a biodiesel engine)


If an engine runs on diesel it also runs on biodiesel. No conversion required. Biodiesel can have some issues in cold weather. It is regrettably not a perfect fuel, even though it is a good one.

quote:
2) with hydraulic hybrid technology


The hydraulic hybrid proposals are interesting, but
quote:
For road vehicles to be successful with this arrangement both mechanical and hydraulic efficiencies of the pump and motor units must be considerably higher than the current state of the art hydraulic pumps and motors used in industrial, off-highway and aerospace operations
from
http://www.nextenergy.org/industryservices/Hybrid_...

Despite the fact that Hydraulic Hybrid proposals are interesting, a hydraulic system of this nature will always suffer from the problems of high weight for the amount of energy stored. While this is also a problem with hybrid electric vehicles, battery storage densities are improving.

In the hybrid hydraulic system energy is stored as pressure. There is only so light that a pressure vessel can be made and withstand thousands of pressure cycles and be safe in industry, let alone on the road where sombody will hit it with a vehicle. A potential catastrophic failure with shrapnel driven by thousands of pounds of pressure is a scenario which could be potentially fatal to a number of people which might surpise you. You may be aware that is one of the storage problems with hydrogen that needs to be overcome if hydrogen is ever to be used as a widespread fuel source. Of course hydrogen's flammability is another concern.

quote:
3) Turbo charger. This also increases efficiency, though I am not 100% sure it can be done on diesel engines


You are correct sir, a turbo charger does increase the efficiency of any engine. However, diesel's have been turbochatged for decades. The vast majority of diesel engines produced today are turbo diesel (have a turbo charger). Volkswagen's TDI stands for (roughly) Turbo Direct Injection. The term DIT is also used (Direct Injection Turbo)by Navistar (possibly others) the company that makes diesel engines for Ford pick-ups.

quote:
4) Bluetec catalytic converter technology. This cuts down smog forming emissions by 80%


It looks like you've combined 2 technologies here. Bluetec is designed to reduce/eleminate particle emmisions which are specific to diesel engines and is a new technology. Whereas Catalytic Convertors (along with Exhaust Gas Recirculation mechanisms) are designed to reduce the Nitrogen Oxide portion of smog and are not specific to diesel engines and are already present on current vehicles.

IMO the best way to reduce fuel consumption is not only to improve the effiency of the drivetrain but also to reduce vehicle weight. Mass is a four letter word in every sense where performance and efficiency are concerned. Hopefully you find this information useful.


RE: What I want to see...
By Lord 666 on 2/3/2008 5:53:41 PM , Rating: 2
To clarify what daftrok meant by converting a diesel to bio is while vehicles will run on biodiesel, you will also void your warranty. Only Cummins allows B100 without voiding their warranty. Chrysler, VW, MB, etc only allow up to B5 at this point.

The Bluetec/Cat opinion could use some clarification as well. Honda is using a cat style conversion process for all of its diesel vehicles. VW Group is using both cat style and Adblue(tradename for urea solution) depending on the vehicle. The Jetta will not need the AdBlue, but rely only on the cat style. GM has admitted it will need to use urea as well since they will be using diesels in larger vehicles.

But Adblue/urea compound is not to reduce particles, but to convert NOx into nitrogen and water. Diesels have particle filters to filter particles ;)


RE: What I want to see...
By Clauzii on 2/3/2008 11:55:13 PM , Rating: 2
TDI means "Turbo Diesel Intercooler".
The VW SDI is the basic engine without Turbo and Intercooler, which was added to the TDI series.

Here's a link to the german page describing motors at VW:

http://www.volkswagen.de/vwcms_publish/vwcms/maste...


RE: What I want to see...
By daftrok on 2/4/2008 2:21:55 AM , Rating: 2
First off, you have to replace certain tubings in the diesel engine in order for it to run biodiesel WITHOUT DAMAGING THE ENGINE.

Correct in the hydraulic hybrid safety concern. However carbon fiber tanks can easily solve the problem (which in turn makes it not so cheap but cuts down weight and increases safety).

Also for Bluetec:
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2007/01/18/0344...

It is an extension to the current catalytic converters, but due to the EPA's stringent guidelines, this system is a must for sedans and pick ups if companies wish to run their vehicles with diesel engines and as you can see, there are catalytic converters in the new system as well.

Another major and expensive proposal is replace as much steel you can with carbon fiber. It's expensive as hell but it makes the vehicle much more stronger in accidents, less susceptible to dents and dings, weighs a lot less, and less resilient to rust.


RE: What I want to see...
By Spuke on 2/4/2008 9:59:30 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Another major and expensive proposal is replace as much steel you can with carbon fiber.
I'm betting that we'll see more of this in cars in the next 10 years. Prepare to bend over!!!


RE: What I want to see...
By masher2 (blog) on 2/4/2008 11:42:04 AM , Rating: 2
> "you have to replace certain tubings in the diesel engine in order for it to run biodiesel WITHOUT DAMAGING THE ENGINE."

You only need to replace fuel lines if they're made from natural rubber, which isn't terribly common these days. And even if you don't do this, you won't damage the engine, you'll just eventually develop a fuel leak.


RE: What I want to see...
By PlasmaBomb on 2/4/2008 8:16:57 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If an engine runs on diesel it also runs on biodiesel. No conversion required. Biodiesel can have some issues in cold weather. It is regrettably not a perfect fuel, even though it is a good one.


It can also knacker the fuel pump and various seals.

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=yoSjmdYPskM


um
By judasmachine on 2/3/2008 2:23:35 PM , Rating: 2
Welcome back to the 70s, and the El Camino. Except that the EC had a usable bed.




RE: um
By BruceLeet on 2/3/2008 2:36:29 PM , Rating: 2
...but Greener


RE: um
By judasmachine on 2/3/2008 7:00:43 PM , Rating: 2
granted.


RE: um
By lobadobadingdong on 2/4/2008 12:13:22 AM , Rating: 3
it looks silver in the picture to me....


Seriously?
By JoshuaBuss on 2/4/2008 1:30:58 AM , Rating: 1
Seriously, am I the only one who thinks this is simply hideous? It's like the b***rd child of the avalance and crysler 300... both already ugly parents!




RE: Seriously?
By andrinoaa on 2/4/2008 1:42:11 AM , Rating: 2
Seriously, it was dreamed up by GM in AUSTRALIA. It was our idea of what americans want in a truck! lol (not, run gmc)
It hurts to look in the mirror , no?!?!?! haha haha


Bleh
By BPB on 2/4/2008 12:39:47 AM , Rating: 2
It's not too bad looking, but man I hate those tires and rims. They look like pimp material to me. Still, I think the sleeping giant that is GM has begun to awake the last few years. To me it started with the effort to make Cadillac competitive, which it now is. Then it came out with vehicles like the Envoy, which knoocked people out upon release (I know, we got an early one and we loved it, as did everybody who saw it the first time). GM's doing quite well now, with the new Chevy Malibu being the latest example, as well as the new Buicks. When Tiger Woods first started doing Buick ads I'd laugh and say he only drives them because he's paid to drive them. I wouldn't say that anymore. I am amazed how many Buicks, Cadillacs, and even Chevy's I'm starting to see in my area, an area where BMW and Lexus rule.




Not quite 'environmental'
By MadMaster on 2/4/2008 3:27:29 AM , Rating: 2
Although it is a sexy car, I still think it fails to fit the 'green' category.

As some people commented, this truck is not designed for the workers. If someone needed a work truck, they wouldn't buy this truck. You could haul more in a small truck that gets 20mpg+.

Simply put, this is a luxury vehicle. Not an 'green' work vehicle. The environmental people won't view it as a environmentally friendly vehicle and it will do very little to improve GM's image (as a green company).




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