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America's two largest automakers are in dire straits -- what will the the government do?

With the good news -- Ford's cool new Fusion and GM's hot upcoming Chevy Volt -- it's easy for some to forget about the dire economic climate for America's top automakers.  Today was a stark reminder of the problems that both Ford and GM are facing -- problems which demand drastic action either internally or externally.

Ford led off the bad news by reporting a $3B USD operating loss.  In the face of dwindling cash reserves, Ford is cutting 10 percent of its salaried worker expenses via pay cuts such as eliminating merit pay, bonuses and the company's matching contributions to their retirement accounts.  It plans on also possibly cutting additional salaried workers.

Hourly workers were hit equally hard.  Ford is cutting an additional 2,600 hourly jobs via buyout packages.  The company already sold two major assets -- Jaguar and Land Rover -- this year to try to generate the cash it desperately needs.  It is looking at potentially selling other brands or resources. 

Ford Chief Executive Alan Mulally says he thinks his company is on the right track, but bemoaned that he sees no end in sight for low demand of autos.  He states, "We believe the downturn in industry volume will be broader, deeper and longer than previously expected."

Losses are expected to continue until 2010.  The quarterly loss was $1.31 a share, much worse than the analyst forecast of 93 cents a share.  Ford's sales dropped 25 percent, while it lost $9B USD in revenue, dropping to $32.1B USD for the quarter.

The only good news for Ford is that it still has the largest cash reserve of any U.S. automaker, with $18.9B USD in cash (despite burning through $6.3B USD in cash this quarter).

The news for rival GM is even worse.  The company is nearly out of cash after posting a mammoth loss.  GM lost $4.2B USD over the quarter, excluding special items.  The loss, which amounted to $7.35 a share, blew away analyst expectations, which were predicting a $3.70 a share loss.

After burning through $6.9B USD in cash over the quarter, GM says that it "will approach the minimum amount necessary to operate its business" during the new quarter.  In a grim assessment, the company reported that its "estimated liquidity will fall significantly short" of the amount it needs to continue operating.

Dave Cole, chairman of Michigan think-tank the Center for Automotive Research says GM is likely to file for bankruptcy unless the government does something.  He states, "This is not something that can go on and be dealt with in the next year, it needs to be dealt with in the next few weeks.  When your cash is gone, you're gone."

Some were speculating a merger between GM and Chrysler, but GM says the talks have been tabled to deal with the cash issue.  GM is planning to cut 10% of salaried employment costs to go with the 20 percent in cuts already planned.  Significant layoffs are expected.  The company is also cutting capital spending in 2009 by $2.4B USD, a move likely to set back many of its programs.

GM is weighing its options after losing $72B USD since 2004.

Both Ford and GM met with lawmakers over the last week to plead for new loans.  They're asking for the lawmakers to allow them to take a slice of the $700B USD bailout pie, something that lawmakers have thus far emphatically refused.  The companies also are asking for the government to double the $25B USD low-interest loans given to them to make fuel efficient cars.



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should...
By nah on 11/8/2008 9:53:26 AM , Rating: 5
some industries be subsidised--however temporarily ? and if some are--who decides what will be ? why should unemployment matter in some industries and not others ? should umemployment be acceptable in industries which are not efficient ?




RE: should...
By mdogs444 on 11/8/2008 9:59:52 AM , Rating: 5
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why should unemployment matter in some industries and not others ?

Because its the backbone of the US manufacturing industry. Its not just the automakers that would be out, but all the other companies who make parts and services for those automakers. You'd see about a 50% -75% rise in unemployment right there.
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should unemployment be acceptable in industries which are not efficient ?

Its not the cars that are efficient. Its the way they are operated - Unions. The health care and retirement costs in those US industries are what makes them not competitive with other countries. Abolish unions in those fields, increase sales & efficiency, and lower costs of the products.


RE: should...
By nah on 11/8/08, Rating: -1
RE: should...
By mdogs444 on 11/8/2008 10:46:58 AM , Rating: 5
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But manufacturing makes up only 25 of the value of the GDP of the US

Um yes, $3TR of the GDP isnt sufficient?
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Hardly--the automobile industry only contributes to around 10 % of total employment

Yes, and if you get rid of 10% of the employment in the US, how much will the unemployment figures increase? Yes - 50-75%.
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Therefore the industry is inefficient--

The way its operated is inefficient, that's what I said - mostly due to union benefits. There's a reason they are requesting $25B to pay for health care costs of retired workers.
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But this exists in other sectors as well--especially the service sectors--why not subsidize call-centres ?

Err..call centers are not unionized, nor do they typically get benefits of salaried workers. Typically, they are hourly jobs. In fact, most IT jobs are not unionized - as those workers realize that Unions only benefit the bottom of the barrel workers and hold back good workers looking to move up the ladder.


RE: should...
By nah on 11/8/08, Rating: 0
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By KernD on 11/8/2008 1:27:49 PM , Rating: 5
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Other industries have such benefits as well---why aren't they inefficient-- ?


They are, the car-making industry isn't the only one in trouble, I hear news every month about places like paper manufacture that close because the market is down and there not competitive, and that's a kind of factory where you need to have the natural resource near, unlike the cars where you can import part from china.

These kind of place have big unions and have been milking there employer of decades. These companies never managed to stand up to those unions, so they will die with them.


RE: should...
By nah on 11/8/2008 7:04:25 PM , Rating: 4
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hear news every month about places like paper manufacture that close because the market is down and there not competitive,


so they close down--they aren't propped up by subsidies


RE: should...
By TSS on 11/9/2008 7:53:43 AM , Rating: 5
it's not just the unions. it's the entire economy. right from CNN:

"On Friday, the Labor Department reported that the U.S. economy sloughed nearly 1.2 million jobs through October. "

meaning untill october this year. it's an article about another 15,000 job cuts in the first week of november.

let them fail, take the hit and start rebuilding. if they can't afford unions they'll get rid of them, or die with them and the next person that sees a market takes them over. thats the thing about a free market, it has it's ups and downs (and resets) but it's the best system we have up untill now.

if GM+ford BOTH get a 25B bailout, while they burned through 6 billion in cash both, they will ask again for one next year. 6 billion in a quarter x4 = 24 billion in a year. and their both predicting 2009 to be worse.

take the hit, kill the company's. why? because if you save them now, once they will go down (and they will), it will cost you everything it costs now + all the bailouts you've given them, which is money lost then.

i figure they know this. their just getting the bailout, securing the assets for the most rich then go out of business. the exec's will stay rich, everybody gets laid off, and it's all payed for by the tax payer. brilliant!


RE: should...
By Dwayno on 11/9/2008 9:19:16 AM , Rating: 3
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let them fail, take the hit and start rebuilding. if they can't afford unions they'll get rid of them, or die with them and the next person that sees a market takes them over. thats the thing about a free market, it has it's ups and downs (and resets) but it's the best system we have up untill now.

There will be no "hit"...unless the hit you are talking about is the same "hit" you get after leaping from a plane without a parachute! The economic impact and the subsequent "ripple" effects will not be felt for years but for decades. And do you think the companies that are going to "fill" the void are going to do so at the same cost level?

In the world of autos, depending on which month, GM is top dog. GM has made, and continues to make, tremendous advancement in that world (GM drove the battery industries to produce the batteries used in the Volt). GM has enormous buying power. The price of cars WILL go up (imagine Intel or Microsoft going out of busines...do you think that their collapsing would not have an impact on the computer or gaming world pricing or that this void can be filled overnight?).

The economic impact of GM closing has already been estimated to cost the taxpayer a minimum of $150 B. in the first year! All the government of the world either owns or subsidizes their auto industries. We are the only country that does not do so.


RE: should...
By TSS on 11/9/2008 1:18:31 PM , Rating: 4
http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-autos...

the reason why their failing is because their too big .

if they can't move a truckload of cars, they can't buy in so many parts to make more cars. right now, the american consumer can't afford more cars. downsizing right now is neccesary, if not completly making sense. the gap will be filled. it wont be fast, it won't be pretty, but the result is exactly what we need.

you want to know why i'm so worried, even though i'm not even an american? because of my age.i am 21 years old. i'll have to work till i'm 65, so that leaves another 44 years untill retirement. here's why i'm worried:

it's impossible to borrow money like america has been doing for another 44 years. within my lifetime,i will start working to pay off the national debt

and that is something NOBODY has thought about. ever. even obama and mccain didn't mention it.

even though i know i'm screwed, for a change, i'll take it upon myself to work and solve it. break the chain of greed, and leave a better world for my children, not a worser one.

letting GM/ford fail will bring the proverbial apocolypse. i don't have a doubt about that. but i'm ready to face that. i'm not ready, nor will i ever be, in letting my children face it.

i'm not an american, but the above doesn't just go for america, it goes for the entire globe. america will just be hit the hardest because in america, everything is bigger. and so the crash will be too.


RE: should...
By stilltrying on 11/9/2008 5:36:54 PM , Rating: 3
I would rather them fail now for me than later when my kids have to face it too. By the way the national debts of countries can NEVER BE REPAYED because every dollar (or most countries money) in circulation has interest attached to it by means of a private central bank.


RE: should...
By Lerianis on 11/9/08, Rating: 0
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By cokbun on 11/9/2008 11:58:10 PM , Rating: 2
if you're comparing GM to intel, when intel falls people will use AMD, they will replace with whatever replacement is available, named "Honda","Toyota",etc.. maybe this is just their " pentium 4 phase "


RE: should...
By rudolphna on 11/8/2008 5:02:58 PM , Rating: 3
I really hope you are not as big of an idiot as you appear. If the US Domestic car industry shuts down, the economy will crash completely. They make up such a huge part of our economy, that it would be absolutely devastating, and likely, unrecoverable. It is imperative that Automakers stay in buisness.


RE: should...
By walk2k on 11/8/08, Rating: 0
RE: should...
By mdogs444 on 11/8/2008 6:47:48 PM , Rating: 1
Yes it will, and you're being quite naive.

Those workers "just" getting jobs at Toyota and Honda plants will just send more US money outside of our own domestic economy, cripple ourselves while boosting the economy of Japan.

The wages stay here, but the profits leave. When that happens, so bye-bye to any new manufacturing starting here and the US controlling its own job market.


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