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Nation's third largest ISP stands up to music industry and government demands

A French internet provider by the name of Free says it will defy a nationwide edict to filter subscribers’ service for P2P content, according to French publication 01net (English), should such a law come to pass.

The company’s refusal seems openly aimed at a countrywide initiative to filter out “unlawful” internet content, shepherded chiefly by French Prime Minister Nicolas Sarkozy and the European media lobby.

Notably, the bill in question – a comprehensive, Europe-wide telecom reform package – has since had its mandatory filtering sections removed. In their place, however, is a concept of “lawful content”, which leaves enforcement up to individual member states.

Xavier Niel, who is the founder and majority shareholder of Free, says the filtering initiative slashes individual liberties in favor of payments to a few artists who “earn a lot of money.”

Piracy is important, says Niel says, but he favors a “global license” initiative instead, in which the government monitors and taxes and P2P activity – with proceeds distributed directly to artists.

Free is the third largest ISP in France behind Orange and Neuf Cegetel, with more than 15 million subscribers to both free and paid broadband plans.

P2P aficionados in France face a particularly difficult uphill battle, as the country’s legislature is facing heavy pressure from both leadership and media interests to put a curb on its citizens’ P2P activities. Regarding the country’s (in)famous “three strikes” plan, which was signed into law last June, a number of European media sources have noted that much of figurehead Sarkozy’s inspiration and drive against filesharers is attributable to his marriage to Italian model and folk singer Carla Bruni.

Ars Technica notes that the “three strikes” plan is now known as “graduated reform” and enjoys heavyweight, global support from music industry organizations like the IFPI.



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The Problem is...
By tdktank59 on 9/1/2008 11:26:29 PM , Rating: 4
The problem is P2P has a bad rep with the media and most people (that don't download).

What people don't realize is that P2P is a great way for universities, companies (such as ubuntu, centos, debian etc...) to distribute their works.

There are so many great things about what p2p could and I myself hope for it to become!

Instead of having 1 server hosting the content you have people all over the world distributing it.




RE: The Problem is...
By daftrok on 9/1/08, Rating: -1
RE: The Problem is...
By tdktank59 on 9/1/2008 11:36:29 PM , Rating: 4
No, you cant just do that with a website. Its diffrent in many ways. Instead of having 1 server with a huge connection you can have 10 users become a peer and you can download little bits of each peer at one time.

It becomes a huge network instead of one pipe. between you and a server...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer-to-peer

If you wish to enlighten yourself.

I myself pay for my music and movies. I like having that hard object in my possession instead of a virtual copy.


RE: The Problem is...
By tdktank59 on 9/1/2008 11:42:00 PM , Rating: 2
Forgot a few commas...

Its the difference between 1 pipe vs. many pipes converging everywhere...

so instead of walking around the house you can walk through the house. if that makes sense. It become faster, plus with multiple peers you can have thousands upon thousands of different connections all distributing their little price of the puzzle.

It saves companies from having to spend thousands of dollars to share their software with the world. Instead they let their customers share it for them.


RE: The Problem is...
By daftrok on 9/2/08, Rating: -1
RE: The Problem is...
By CyborgTMT on 9/1/2008 11:37:46 PM , Rating: 2
The problem with websites are you now have the added cost of bandwidth for the downloads.


RE: The Problem is...
By PhoenixKnight on 9/2/2008 12:23:47 AM , Rating: 1
What? You mean websites with lots of bandwidth for downloads aren't free? When did this happen?


RE: The Problem is...
By swizeus on 9/2/08, Rating: 0
RE: The Problem is...
By Radnor on 9/2/2008 6:10:04 AM , Rating: 2
Through the decades...
Rock and Roll corrupt our youth !! The Children are violent !!
Comics corrupt our youth !! The Children are violent !!
Heavy metal corrupt our youth !! The Children are violent !!
TV corrupt our youth !! The Children are violent !!
Gaming corrupt our youth !! The Children are violent !!
Ok, what about porn ? Porn is cool you say.

This applies to piracy as well. Not that i think the youth is sick or violent because of it, but was a example of stupidity.
The Children are violent,lazy or unguided, because of irresponsible parenting above everything else. The explanation is hard to swallow so they blame another thing.

Piracy in music was always present in the form of K7. The good old 90 minuts K7. we just recorded from vinyl (so we wont scratch or albums) to K7 so we can use it. Changing media was never a crime, why is now ? Why is now so considered a crime ? Because some "self-called" artists aren't selling. The funny truth is:

Most artists that complain about it, are now unproductive, ,their music standards got a lot lower, or were one hit wonders. Those that complain the most are the ones that did less. I don't buy a Music CD for years now, not because i download, but because, atm, are very few groups that are worth to even think in buying. for example, one of the last whiners, Prince Rogers Nelson, formerly know as prince, and know as The Artist. I would prefer to cut a nut before buying anything from somebody with such a idiotic egotistic tantrum.

Digital distribution, is reevaluating music, and the results in sales of digital distribution are much more different than brick and mortal sales. Because in digital distribution, you can pick what you want, you have a much diverse choice in the tip of you finger (or credit card).

Like the parenting, they blame piracy because they can't make good or new good musics. Brilliant minds have always faced violent opposition from mediocre ones. I wonder what NIN and Radiohead think of piracy when they gave away their albums....and were successful.


RE: The Problem is...
By tdktank59 on 9/2/2008 11:40:02 AM , Rating: 2
I agree 100%.

Its society now a days. Its blame the other guy not yourself.

You failed to pay rent it was your room mates fault (sometimes it is however... but you get the picture). Or failed to fill up the gas tank blame it on the price of oil.

It all comes down to own up for your own actions. Take the blame be the bigger man so we can start getting rid of a few lawyers.

Music, no Media in general has always been pirated. All the way back to the beginning. I guess you could even say before that with people playing music without permission from the composer... (if you want to get technical).

The problem is these artists, directors and whoever else tries to sell something has to realize, That the world dosnt have to or need to embrace them.

So when they make a flop they blame it on Piracy because they made a crappy album. Which is why it was put up on the torrents.

See the way I look at piracy is, is my free trial (back when I did it).

Most of what I downloaded I deleted. Some i kept but most I deleted. The ones I kept I normally went out to the store and bought the cd, or the movie etc... Its all the case of browse before you buy. I tunes gives you 30 second tracks. Thats normally not enough for me to find out if I like a song. And i hate browsing the music store. Because you don't know what you like...

so about 99% of what I download I delete and the other 1% i go and buy.

Heck with NIN put out their last album for free i went and BOUGHT bought the hard copy disc for $10 of w/e it was.

Not meerly for the CD but to support a changing movement. I am more willing to support bands, that are willing to risk it and do something new. Im not saying give it away for free. Im saying try something new.

I still have yet to listen to the CD and i have had it for a few months now. But its the mere fact that they were willing to try something new!


Corrections
By zac206 on 9/2/2008 5:39:35 AM , Rating: 5
Ok some things are not quite right:
Quote: "... shepherded chiefly by French Prime Minister Nicolas Sarkozy and ..."

Nicolas Sarkozy is the President of France, and not the Prime minister. He used to be the prime minister and was elected president may 2007.

Then, Free is no longer the 3rd ISP but second, as they bought Alice. And it does not have 15 million clients but about 4 or 5.

Cheers




At first...
By amanojaku on 9/1/2008 10:32:36 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Piracy is important, says Niel says, but he favors a “global license” initiative instead, in which the government monitors and taxes any P2P activity – with proceeds distributed directly to artists.


I was going to give Free kudos... But I`m not in favor of P2P monitoring, either. Once that starts everything else gets monitored sooner or later. As if they aren`t doing it already...




RE: At first...
By Pudro on 9/1/2008 11:50:28 PM , Rating: 2
Not only that, but it seems he is saying all P2P bandwidth should be taxed, with that money going to artists. How do you justify taxing my downloading of a Linux distro and giving that money to artists? How do you decide how much each artist deserves to be paid (across the arts, let alone within just one)? Why are you lying claiming money will ever go to the artists, instead of groups who represent them and who will do their best to get in between the artists and this money?


Oh come on....
By Nephretite on 9/2/2008 3:35:36 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
shepherded chiefly by French Prime Minister Nicolas Sarkozy


Nicolas Sarkozy is President of France. Francois Fillon is Prime Minister.




Heh
By Polynikes on 9/2/2008 8:54:25 AM , Rating: 2
I bet Comcast would certainly take the opposite route.




By foolsgambit11 on 9/2/2008 1:24:48 PM , Rating: 2
The story title implies that a P2P filtering order is currently in effect. But the article says the law was under consideration - and that the parts Free objected to were in fact removed from the bill following their complaint.

A little sensationalism there?




If the ISP wants to violate law, prosecute them.
By Beenthere on 9/2/08, Rating: 0
By Anosh on 9/2/2008 11:05:58 AM , Rating: 1
Just because something is a law doesn't mean it's right.

Think about it. There are some strange laws in some states in US such as: Women aren't allowed to fish on Sundays etc.

While that's only an example, I know that there are similarly ridiculous laws in effect that in practice aren't being enforced.


I wonder
By Regs on 9/2/2008 12:28:17 AM , Rating: 1
How long until one surrenders?




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