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French court says no working nights for Apple employees

The High Court of Paris handed down a €10,000 fine and a ban and this week preventing Apple employees from working during the night at seven Apple stores within France. The ban prevents Apple from making retail employees work between the hours of 9 PM until 6 AM the following morning. The court also instituted a penalty of €50,000 per provisional infringement if Apple has employees working between those hours.

"This decision is very good and reflects the desire of Justice to enforce the night work", welcomed Eric Scherrer, CFTC trade employees, which emphasizes "a severe sentence."

"We just ask that the law is respected," Thomas responded in turn Bordage SUD trade, which explains that "the shops close at 2100, but the time for employees to put everything in order and work in workshops some may work until 11:00 p.m. ".

Under French law, working at night between the hours of 9 PM and 6 AM needs to be justified to ensure the continuity of economic activity or social utility to be legal.
The stores covered in the judgment include those located in Opéra in Paris Velizy 2 (Velizy-Villacoublay, Yvelines), Parly 2 (The Chesnay, Yvelines), Carré Sénart (Lieusaint, Seine-et-Marne), Val d'Europe (Marne-la-Vallee, Seine-et-Marne), Cape Town 3000 (Nice, Alpes-Maritimes) and Atlantis (Saint Herblain, Loire-Atlantique).

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Doesn't make much sense
By theapparition on 3/13/2013 10:35:17 AM , Rating: 5
Banning the French from working after 9pm? This has to be a joke.

Everyone knows the French don't do any work, so why is after 9pm special?

RE: Doesn't make much sense
By Motoman on 3/13/2013 10:37:49 AM , Rating: 5
Well, besides that...if the "social value" of a business has to justify it's hours of operation, it's pretty clear that Apple stores should be open from Never to Never.

RE: Doesn't make much sense
By HrilL on 3/15/2013 1:24:58 AM , Rating: 2
Oops I voted you down with a random click so I am commenting to clear my vote. Completely agree with ya though.

RE: Doesn't make much sense
By retrospooty on 3/13/2013 11:28:17 AM , Rating: 2
Ya, this whole thing doesn't make any sense either way. Joking or not, what is the point? And doesn't the French "High Court" have anything better to work on than a retail outlet's work schedule?

RE: Doesn't make much sense
By tng on 3/13/2013 11:36:02 AM , Rating: 4
Yeah, one of the best vacations I ever had was a week "working" in France.

RE: Doesn't make much sense
By Paj on 3/13/2013 12:54:23 PM , Rating: 3
Yeah, because who needs workers rights? Sounds like commie talk to me!

RE: Doesn't make much sense
By ClownPuncher on 3/13/13, Rating: -1
RE: Doesn't make much sense
By marvdmartian on 3/14/2013 7:49:48 AM , Rating: 2
(said with a Pepe Le Pew accent)
"How do you expect ze French to get zeir beauty sleep, if you make zem work all night??"

RE: Doesn't make much sense
By random2 on 3/15/2013 10:00:54 PM , Rating: 2
It's a freakin store! Hardly essential to anyone. I you cannot wait until tomorrow for a new bit of Crapple you have serious issues.

These are people to emulate???
By rountad on 3/13/2013 11:01:25 AM , Rating: 4
What about the freedom of a worker and employer to enter into an agreement favorable to both of them?

Some people like to work at night.

What about people who want to be able to shop then? Even if there's demand for it, sorry, can't do it.

RE: These are people to emulate???
By sigmatau on 3/13/13, Rating: -1
RE: These are people to emulate???
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/13/2013 1:45:28 PM , Rating: 2
I even had to work on Father's day
Oh poor you! You had to work just like everyone else! It's not a holiday you actually get off.

RE: These are people to emulate???
By sigmatau on 3/21/2013 8:13:38 PM , Rating: 1
Go fuck yourself. I don't work on Father's day anymore since I have a much better job now.

By ClownPuncher on 3/13/2013 2:07:37 PM , Rating: 2
It must suck having to transition into an adult and haveresponsibilities.

By The Imir of Groofunkistan on 3/13/2013 2:09:56 PM , Rating: 2
man, you sound like someone I would NEVER hire in the first place.

In any case, you are free to not work there. So, if you don't like it, move on.

We don't need laws saying that if you get a call 1 minute before your shift ends the government will stand up for you and force you to hang up at 10pm. Besides, once the government starts with a law that forces you to leave when you get a call 1 min before the shift is over, all of the people getting calls 2 min before their shift ends will start complaining.

Work is hard. If you don't like the job you have, you are free to learn a skill that will provide you with a better job or at least one that you will like better. It won't be easy. But at no time in the history of mankind has more information or opportunity been available to the average class of people.

RE: These are people to emulate???
By sigmatau on 3/21/2013 8:16:53 PM , Rating: 2
LOL, you would never get that chance idiot. I work 8-5 now buddy and don't have to deal with idiot fools like yourself. My job is much better and I don't get bent over like you do.

I'll allow you, a bottom feeder, to work at night with the other losers.

RE: These are people to emulate???
By GotThumbs on 3/13/2013 4:03:03 PM , Rating: 1
If I received a call at 9:59, I would have to take it and stick with it even if it would take an hour.

It's called customer service and going above and beyond the minimum standards. You got paid for extra hour of work as well.

As for the few odd customers that come in after hours, too bad and so sad for them.

Of course, I'm sure when it comes to you being customer and wanting service....I'm sure you become the biggest A$$ in the room if you don't get great service.

Nope, sorry for YOU. You obviously will NEVER be a successful business owner and chances are you won't even climb the ladder, unless you get a mulligan.

Now don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with that if your happy doing the same job for 30 years....just don't expect to make much more than minimum wage with that kind of work ethic.

Employers do not exist to serve the employees...they exist to serve the customers and be profitable....Investors do NOT invest in failing companies....they invest in profitable companies. Failing companies close and those employees go on unemployment.

I sure everyone else can clearly see...You just will never get it. No light bulb moment in your future.

Best wishes on your survival,

RE: These are people to emulate???
By sigmatau on 3/21/2013 8:19:22 PM , Rating: 2
Let's see. I got fired and they had to pay me for over a year because they fired me for wrong cause.

I found a much better job and now have banker's hours and no stupid tech support over the phone. And my salary is about 60% more.

Good luck with your sorry life.

RE: These are people to emulate???
By Bateluer on 3/13/2013 7:10:26 PM , Rating: 1
Thats some quality costumer service. Sorry, its 10:30pm, my shift is over. *Click*

By DiscoWade on 3/13/2013 12:40:31 PM , Rating: 2
I remember when I was in England and I wanted to do some shopping after we checked into our hotel for the day. Sorry, but the shops close at 5 p.m. The only thing open are restaurants and pubs. I thought that was strange.

so it's not just the Unions in France
By VultureTX on 3/13/2013 11:08:20 AM , Rating: 2
Even the government is anti capitalist. And no startup can be competitive if it infringes on the French right to be lazy.

By ShieTar on 3/14/2013 8:20:48 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, those french are really stupid, don't they know that they could have a 9% higher GDP per capita (like the US does) if only they increased the amount of work they put in per year by 21% (1787 hours instead of 1476)?

And the only excuse they have for tolerating this 9% lower production and wages is the fact that due to free education and health, their quality of life is actually higher than that of a person in the USA with the same job?

But now that will all change of course. If Apple shops are forced to close at 7pm instead of 9pm, iPhone sales will surely drop by 99%, and the french economy will completely implode.

By DaveLessnau on 3/13/2013 11:02:24 AM , Rating: 2
...needs to be justified to ensure the continuity of economic activity or social utility to be legal.

Too bad they don't apply the same law to their own government. Any government that would even think of laws like this deserves to be dissolved.

sweet, sweet, stupid socialism
By Rage187 on 3/13/2013 11:59:39 AM , Rating: 2
Let's see, high taxes on earnings. But, they won't let you work or operate to pay taxes.


By random2 on 3/15/2013 2:12:35 AM , Rating: 1
Amazing that all the Pro business working class, working poor Americans, who cannot feed their hungry, have banks screwing them over left and right and whose tax dollars went to bail these shysters out, still cannot get 1/2 decent health care at a reasonable rate, have a Congress, Senate and White House that are at the beck and call of corporate America and their lobbyists, have major issues with oil and gas exploration companies turning vast pieces of their country into polluted wastelands, are just now wondering if the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were such a good idea, and question if their great, great, great, great grand-kids are ever going to be clear of the debt that shouldn't have happened in the first place, have a gridlocked government because one side at least feels some compunction for the people that voted them in, but the other side would rather see the country fail and it's economy burn to the ground before they would give in to a black president...just on principal of course.

But oh please lets hear it about how screwed up France and it's people are for actually having a law in place to help prevent their people from being taken advantage of by overbearing "screw the rules", patent troll companies like Apple.

And Americans wonder why their country has gone to hell in a hand basket. You know why, because you let the corporations, run your country, and tell you what to do, and that's the way you like it. And you think the French are nuts....Hahaha. Priceless.

Social Justice!
By Ammohunt on 3/13/13, Rating: -1
RE: Social Justice!
By Paj on 3/13/2013 1:01:07 PM , Rating: 3
And yet, countries like Norway, which is one of the most socialist countries in Europe, are even more productive than the US, despite working less hours!

Work smarter, not harder.

RE: Social Justice!
By ClownPuncher on 3/13/2013 2:09:03 PM , Rating: 2
Norway doesn't hate companies.

RE: Social Justice!
By PontiusP on 3/13/2013 3:18:46 PM , Rating: 2
I never tire of socialists using the obscure outlier, Norway, to justify socialism. Completely ignoring factors such as population size, diversity, language, and geographic distance. Remember folks, scale matters! Norwegians also have little disposable income, I wouldn't call that a high quality of life.

RE: Social Justice!
By Paj on 3/14/2013 9:03:21 AM , Rating: 2
Stop thinking in false dichotomies. You could always combine the best features of socialism and capitalism, like Germany does. Being bound to extremes of the continuum doesn't work. It didn't work for the USSR, and it isnt working for the USA (despite a slower decline).

RE: Social Justice!
By HrilL on 3/15/2013 1:43:56 AM , Rating: 2
The US is pretty socialist now days at least for the poor. We're so far backwards its retarded. A single mother making 28k a year can get 80k worth of free services and money from our government. They'll also get to keep pretty much all of their earned income since they'll get tax credits and not have to claim any of the assistance as income. So they in theory make 108K a year.

While the rest of us work our asses off to make say 60k a year and pay 45% or more in taxes. When you add up federal, social security, Medicare, and state taxes. That doesn't even include property tax or sales tax.

People that don't work at all can get on average 53k a year in government assistance. We have a major problem here and its getting worse and these people vote in politicians that run on giving these lazy people more and more money from the evil rich.

Trying to tax yourselves into prosperity is like standing in a bucket and trying to lift yourself up. You'll fail every time.

RE: Social Justice!
By random2 on 3/15/2013 2:22:02 AM , Rating: 2
Yes I have been to America and seen the non working rich you speak of. living in high style off the federal governments teat. They must sleep in the streets, doorways and under bridges because housing is so expensive.

Apparently health care and dental care must be right up there too, because that does seem to be a major issue with the people I saw sleeping outside with their shopping cards and cardboard. Is food really really to expensive for someone making over 100k a year?...because they seem kinda skinny. I could be wrong though. They probably just prefer living like bums.

RE: Social Justice!
By HrilL on 3/15/2013 3:04:33 PM , Rating: 2
You seem to think that just because you're living on the streets you'll automatically get everything the government has to offer. Since a lot of these people have mental problems and other are just plain lazy. To get everything you have to fill out a lot of paper work. The people you see living on the streets are not the people that are sucking the government tits obviously. A lot of these people actually chose that lifestyle. I've spoken to a lot of them and seen groups of punker bums that live on the streets by choice.

Most of the time you'll never know these people are taking all of that government money because they'll look the same as any working American.

RE: Social Justice!
By random2 on 3/15/2013 9:58:47 PM , Rating: 2
Read my comment above titles Seriously?

You folks are so entrenched in the corporate mindset that has you all convinced anything to do with the Government having compassion and helping the people is socialism. From what I have seen of the American thought process having to do with this issue, you'd think this was the 1950s and Joseph McCarthy was sitting in the White House. I guess being raised in an environment where you're taught "it's every man for himself" should produce the current sate of mind particularly in the right wing camp who typically believe fervently in God and Company(nee country).

McCarthyism: is the practice of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence.

A great man once said in honour of the men who died for their country.

...that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Is it too crazy a thought that since the government is created by the people, is funded by the people and is made up of people, that it's sole purpose and reason for existence is people? Not companies, not corporations, multi-nationals, not super pacs or political parties, not weapons manufacturers, not lawyers, judges, bankers and stock brokers....It's for the people! The common people, the majority, the working people, the needy, the poor, and those who cannot take care of themselves. What America was built on.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Oh America how much you have lost. A once proud country founded on highly principled ideals that cannot be faulted to this day. Now governed by fools, bankers and corporate executives on behalf of the disillusioned.

RE: Social Justice!
By random2 on 3/15/2013 2:35:52 AM , Rating: 2
Yes I have been to America and seen the non working rich you speak of. Living in high style off the federal governments teat. They must sleep in the streets, doorways and under bridges because housing is so expensive.

Apparently health care and dental care must be right up there too, because that does seem to be a major issue with the people I saw sleeping outside with their shopping cards and cardboard. Is food really really too expensive for someone making over 100k a year?...because they seem kinda skinny. I could be wrong though. They were probably health nuts who just prefer living like bums.

RE: Social Justice!
By ShieTar on 3/14/2013 8:53:48 AM , Rating: 2
Two comments:

First, there are no socialist countries in europe. Much like the US most countries are constitutional democracies (or monarchies in name) with social security systems. It really confuses me to keep hearing about supposedly socialist countries in europe, when there hasn't been any relevant planned economy since the early 1990s.

Also, the statistics on productivity need to be considered very carefully. For Norway, it is largely driven by the amount of Oil and free electricity from water power they own. For the US, it is even worse, because the US has not only Oil and other natural ressources to sell, it also has a lot of income from international companies, where the work is actually done in other countries but the profits are recorded at the headquarters in the US. Of course that is true in a similar, if lesser, fashion for most of the larger european countries.

If you want a real comparison you need to compare the income from productive jobs only, without trade and natural ressources playing into it. Even then, the number does not tell the complete story.

TIn my field of work, europeans work for 35 to 40 hours a week with 30 holidays while north americans work for 45 to 50 hours a week with 20 holidays. But people in the US have a lot more social life take place at the office, celebrating birthdays and such. And of course the japanese "work" easily 80 hours a week, but actually sleep in the office. So "one hour of work" is not really an internationally usefull unit of measurement.

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