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With purchase of a Macho drink

Our initial coverage of the Star Trek Online MMO yesterday quickly became a top story. One of the concerns voiced by readers was pricing, with a particular reluctance to shell out money for a game without trying out a demo version first.

Atari, the publisher of STO, has partnered up with Del Taco to provide a free trial of the game. Customers who purchase a Macho-sized drink at Del Taco will receive a free limited edition Star Trek collector’s cup and a free trial of Star Trek Online while supplies last. Each collector’s cup will have an individual peel code that can be redeemed for a 48-hour free trial of Star Trek Online at http://www.startrekonline.com/deltaco" rel="nofollow, with up to four codes redeemable. As an added bonus, customers that redeem the maximum four codes will receive an extra 48-hours of access to the game for a total of 10 full days.

Additionally, if consumers choose to purchase the game after their free trial, they will receive a free Type-8 Shuttlecraft "pet" add-on for their Starship, available exclusively from Del Taco.

“Early response to Star Trek Online has been tremendous,” said Jim Wilson, CEO and President of  Atari. “Our partnership with Del Taco brings this unique sci-fi massively open online game to an even broader mainstream audience as well as avid Star Trek fans.”

“We’re excited to be partnering with Atari and the Star Trek franchise,” said John Cappasola, Vice President of Marketing at Del Taco. “We think our customers are going to enjoy the collectible cups as well as the opportunity to get a free trial of the Star Trek Online game.

Free trial time will be applied beginning when  the code is redeemed, with all free trial time expiring March 15, 2010. The caveat is that customers will have to download a copy of the game, as well as sign up for an account in order to participate.

All digital and retail copies of Star Trek Online come with 30 days of gameplay, but a subscription is required beyond that initial period. Star Trek Online launches officially on February 2.



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Del Taco?
By NaughtyGeek on 1/28/2010 9:03:39 AM , Rating: 5
For a game intended for a mass audience, couldn't they have come up with a promotional partner that reaches a majority of the intended audience? Del Taco, wtf is Del Taco?




RE: Del Taco?
By DigitalFreak on 1/28/2010 9:05:40 AM , Rating: 4
Dell Taco?


RE: Del Taco?
By Gul Westfale on 1/28/2010 9:24:30 AM , Rating: 2
i've been waiting for this game since, um forever. unfortunately it seems that it will suck rather hard. the people who are in open beta keep posting their experiences on the STO forums, and it seems like this will be nothing more than WoW with space graphics. *sigh*


RE: Del Taco?
By chirokitsune on 1/28/2010 10:02:23 AM , Rating: 3
If you can get access to a trial code, then I suggest trying it first. The problem with the forum posts about experiences, especially in open beta is sometimes one sided. Much like any forums for an MMO in open beta or just launching, is that you sometimes only hear the vocal minority and the majority who like a the game aren't really represented. STO isn't the first time that there has been nerd rage before launch because of beta experiences. Even WoW suffered that problem starting out.


RE: Del Taco?
By DigitalFreak on 1/28/2010 11:34:38 AM , Rating: 2
I was in the closed beta, and yes, the game does suck. ...and I don't like WoW.


RE: Del Taco?
By kaoken on 1/29/2010 4:04:55 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah wow sucks and so does this game.

I'll overlook the bugs but the only attractive elements of the game are commanding a starship and that it's an online game. This game probably appeals more to hardcore fans as opposed to regular MMO-ers.

Ground combat is so boring, I don't even know why they added that. The maps are all instanced which in a sense isn't your traditional MMO. Overall this is simply an online addon for Star Trek Legacy.

Well there always FF14 and Star Wars to look forward to.


RE: Del Taco?
By talikarni on 1/28/2010 8:01:12 PM , Rating: 2
yes this is pretty much aimed at the WOW crowd... I played the closed beta but eventually I gave up from the sheer lack of expertise needed to actually play the game. It is WOW in space...


RE: Del Taco?
By ZHENDHIDE4 on 1/28/10, Rating: -1
RE: Del Taco?
By Belard on 1/28/2010 10:37:32 PM , Rating: 2
is there some REASON why this 2" penis retard isn't banned from this site?

Lock on to his IP and his account and BAN him/it/whatever.


RE: Del Taco?
By astralsolace on 1/28/2010 10:21:54 AM , Rating: 5
This makes zero sense. The game is much more similar to Pirates of the Burning Sea than to WoW. Describing it as "WoW in space" is like saying a sailboat is a "camry in water."

No. They are very different. In WoW's PvE, you typically stand still, auto attack and cycle through hotkeys.

In STO, you have to maneuver yourself to exploit weaknesses in enemy shields, protect your own weaknesses, redirect shield power to compensate, and that's *before* you're dealing with your own weapons fire and further special abilities.

Ground combat is pretty dull, but space combat is -=*NOTHING*=- like WoW in either style or substance.


RE: Del Taco?
By Reclaimer77 on 1/28/2010 11:09:40 AM , Rating: 1
You know I would love a MMO discussion where everyone didn't hate on WoW and post biased or untruthful things about it.

Just because WoW isn't for you doesn't make it any less enjoyable, complete, or well designed. You people need to face facts, Blizzard hit a home run with WoW that has revolutionized the entire industry. Snort all you want, but it's a great game by any objective measure. They found a way to get 12+ million people to pay to play their game, nuff said. You can't do that without a serious commitment to the quality of the software, the design of the gaming environment, and the dedication to releasing new and awesome content.

Today's gamer is a very well read, educated and informed person. Game developers know they have a finite amount of time to capture a potential customers interest before he/she moves on to something else. Obviously Blizzard has the formula for success in the MMO for capturing and retaining gamers, and to denigrate them makes you look like an ass.

So when I read crap like "sadly it's too much like WoW", I just have to laugh. Because if Blizzard was running STO it would be a hell of a lot better and they sure wouldn't be pairing up with "Dell Taco" for promotions.

(edit. replying to that other guy, not you astrolsolace. I agree with you )


RE: Del Taco?
By Chaser on 1/28/2010 12:32:53 PM , Rating: 3
WoW, love it or leave it, is the MMO benchmark.

I'd venture to say most DT readers are "older" and either don't care for couple of its shortfalls compared to other MMOs or games:

WoW's predominately immature community and WoW's cartoony graphics and WoW's over hype.

If STO is "WoW in space" it's a disappointment. I had high hopes for this game. To even hear this is a letdown.


RE: Del Taco?
By Reclaimer77 on 1/28/2010 1:06:47 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I'd venture to say most DT readers are "older"


Lol oh how I wish that were the case. You haven't been around her long have you ?

quote:
WoW's predominately immature community and WoW's cartoony graphics and WoW's over hype.


I've played almost every MMO. They all have "immature" communities because it only takes a few bad experiences to stick in your mind. The other 3000000 mature responsible players keeping to themselves don't make an impact, negative players do.

Cartoony graphics ? For a game engine approaching almost a decade old, I think they are doing damn good with the technology available. I have played other MMO's that supposedly have "realer" graphics like DDO, and you know what ? They are just darker, with matted colors and lots of brown everywhere. That doesn't make things more real.

quote:
If STO is "WoW in space" it's a disappointment.


That doesn't even make sense. The two games aren't comparable. They just aren't.

quote:
I had high hopes for this game.


So did I. But it looks like just a bad ripoff of Eve Online reskinned to look like 'Trek.


RE: Del Taco?
By lightfoot on 1/28/2010 2:10:01 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
it looks like just a bad ripoff of Eve Online reskinned to look like 'Trek.

Actually having played both games, and spoken with several others, this is actually a good compairison. Star Trek Online is much more like EVE Online than other MMO's. However from my experiance it is a good ripoff of EVE online, not bad. EVE suffered from the problem of being enormously boring where you were rewarded for spending time, not for doing things. ST Online is much more quest based and combat oriented (which is a good thing, despite the lack of consistancy with the license.) The only aspect of EVE online that was much better was the complexity of the economy. The economy in ST online seems crippled at best, possibly because it is based on a fictional society that has no currency...

But the public beta of ST Online improved VASTLY in the last week when two MAJOR patches were released (over a GB of changes.) The Borg invasion on the final day of the Beta was definitely a blast, and I look forward to the official launch.


RE: Del Taco?
By Reclaimer77 on 1/28/2010 4:04:31 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with you about Eve. It *can* be fun, but the real time training system means it realistically will take you months before you have the skills to be even remotely sufficient at whatever you choose to do.

Also the real time system insures that you can never, and I mean NEVER, catch up to veteran players no matter how much more you play. I don't agree with that system.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna log in and see what I can blow up in my Raven battleship that took me months to learn to fly, equipped with weapon systems that took me moths to learn to fire, defended with shield systems that took me months to learn to use....

sigh


RE: Del Taco?
By FITCamaro on 1/28/2010 9:41:47 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah I was in the beta for EVE and played until SWG came out (regret leaving for that disaster but I'm a huge SW geek). The real time training had pros and cons. The pro was that you didn't have to play constantly to keep your skills up with everyone else's. The con was that if you were a new player, you'd never catch up.


RE: Del Taco?
By Jalek on 1/29/2010 2:41:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The con was that if you were a new player, you'd never catch up.


That's what I've heard, I have a copy of Eve I've never installed, I have plenty of other time sinks available, and being perpetually outclassed is like being a retail investor in the stock market.


RE: Del Taco?
By mindless1 on 1/28/2010 2:23:42 PM , Rating: 2
"Today's gamer is a very well read, educated and informed person."

I call BS. Anyone who spends hours upon hours playing WOW reads less, gets less education in general, and is less informed. Time is not infinite, if you're sitting on your bum playing a computer game it is your choice, but what it definitely is not is a sign of some greater intelligence.

Further, once the general masses started owning computers any dumb slob could be on the other end of the internet playing a game or arguing with you online, on Facebook, writing a blog, etc.

Sorry to say, intelligence is not about vanity, it's about targeted knowledge used to a fruitful outcome - not about spending away your time excessively playing video games which IS what the stereotypical WOW fan does. Granted for every stereotype there are real people who don't fit that type, smart/informed/etc people who do play games, but they do not waste away a lot of their free time doing it, rather in moderation.


RE: Del Taco?
By Iaiken on 1/28/10, Rating: 0
RE: Del Taco?
By Iaiken on 1/28/2010 3:28:15 PM , Rating: 2
eh, disproof... stupid fingers...


RE: Del Taco?
By tmouse on 1/29/2010 8:54:01 AM , Rating: 2
Actually your statement doesn't disprove anything.

He clearly said:

"Anyone who spends hours upon hours playing WOW reads less, gets less education in general, and is less informed."

he clearly points out he is speaking in generalities. He goes on to say:

"Granted for every stereotype there are real people who don't fit that type, smart/informed/etc people who do play games, but they do not waste away a lot of their free time doing it, rather in moderation"

You state:

"As you state, the final reason that reasonable WoW players are hard to find is that I only play for 3 hours 3 times a week when I raid. Otherwise I am off the computer doing other things, like participating in the planning of my wedding, tending my aquarium, reading or just otherwise enjoying life."

When you go on to say that "The WoW community as a whole is certainly outwardly immature (I find this an interesting qualification as I have never met a person who is outwardly immature but is inwardly mature)" and "Unfortunately, it would seem that finding a good group of people to play with is harder than the actual gaming content itself"

you provide proof of his generality not disproof.


RE: Del Taco?
By mindless1 on 1/29/2010 11:52:21 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, there's always one self-centered person who thinks they are the only one doing anything useful, failing to see that others KEEP doing useful things while they are off gaming.

Even so, I offer congratulations on your accomplishments and agree you are not the stereotypical, nor the real, typical gamer.

... and for every one of your type there are 1 million of the rest.

Yes they are quite entitled to spend their time any way they want to, but the simple fact is that there is a finite amount of time every day. One does not become more (virtuous) by spending more of their time gaming. Gaming is fun, but not something that if done a lot, would be suitable for a typical job resume.

Think about why.


RE: Del Taco?
By Reclaimer77 on 1/28/2010 3:38:42 PM , Rating: 3
I thought it was clear that I meant well read, educated, and informed ABOUT GAMES. Sorry to have wasted your surpremist bigoted rant though. Do you feel better about yourself now ?


RE: Del Taco?
By mindless1 on 1/29/2010 11:54:42 PM , Rating: 2
Did you know you have steam coming out of your ears? ;)

Is it some kind of great accomplishment for a gamer to become "informed about games"? If you say so.


RE: Del Taco?
By CENGJINYIWEI on 1/31/10, Rating: -1
RE: Del Taco?
By FITCamaro on 1/28/2010 12:14:48 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed. The space combat is excellent. The only thing that would make it better would be full 3D space. Unfortunately that'll never happen in the game since it would require developing an entirely new game. The engine wouldn't allow for it.


RE: Del Taco?
By lightfoot on 1/28/2010 2:16:45 PM , Rating: 2
I was very impressed with the diversity of the combat despite the fairly simple rules.

The Klingon vessels play VERY different from the Federation ships, and that is good thing.


RE: Del Taco?
By kattanna on 1/28/2010 10:50:35 AM , Rating: 2
i played in the beta and it was nothing special.

i ran into so many bugs that it was unplayable, and when i was able to play, it was MEH at best. i didnt "feel" like i was within a star trek world, but simply an MMO with a space setting.


RE: Del Taco?
By DigitalFreak on 1/28/2010 11:36:18 AM , Rating: 2
My thoughts exactly. Bugs had nothing to do with my conclusion that the game doesn't feel anything like Star Trek.


RE: Del Taco?
By JimCouch on 1/28/2010 3:50:55 PM , Rating: 2
I tried it for a couple of days during the final beta... I'll stick to Aion. I was not impressed at all.


RE: Del Taco?
By MrBlastman on 1/28/2010 11:58:02 AM , Rating: 3
Del Taco, (n): A very obscure fast-food chain that left Georgia many years ago.

http://www.deltaco.com/locations.html

Not the best choice in my opinion.


RE: Del Taco?
By grandpope on 1/28/2010 1:26:21 PM , Rating: 2
Well, in any case, there is one just up the street, so anybody that wants a code can send me $3 and I will get you one. :)


RE: Del Taco?
By Samus on 1/29/2010 10:27:22 AM , Rating: 2
They closed the one near my home in Chicago. But they're everywhere on the west coast. There's like a dozen I can think of near me in San Diego. It's not bad after you make the adjustment to getting french fries with your burrito.


RE: Del Taco?
By Souka on 1/28/2010 1:49:41 PM , Rating: 2
RE: Del Taco?
By johnsonx on 1/28/2010 4:19:23 PM , Rating: 2
I guess it depends on where you live; I drive only about 2 miles to my office, and on the way I pass 3 Del Taco's.


RE: Del Taco?
By Belard on 1/28/10, Rating: 0
RE: Del Taco?
By OCedHrt on 1/29/2010 2:28:25 PM , Rating: 2
The goal is to make the couch potatoes more potato like so that they'd sit even longer on the couch.


RE: Del Taco?
By rburnham on 2/1/2010 3:10:07 PM , Rating: 2
Only the best fast food tacos ever! :P

Ok, not really. I do find it interesting that a fast food place has teamed up with something so "high tech" like an MMO. Sign of the times, I guess.


Still not buying
By bug77 on 1/28/2010 9:22:02 AM , Rating: 3
My stance on this pricing model is pretty clear: if you really think your game is worth the subscription money, then have the guts to give the client away for free. Otherwise, it's just hit'n run, like most titles these days.




RE: Still not buying
By IdBuRnS on 1/28/2010 9:22:55 AM , Rating: 2
Very few MMOs start out with a free trial, why should this one be any different. Hell neither Aion or Champions Online have trials and they've been out for how long?


RE: Still not buying
By bug77 on 1/28/2010 10:18:21 AM , Rating: 2
The point is, if you think you must charge 4 months' worth of subscriptions just for the client, it actually means you're admitting you won;t get that money otherwise. Because you don't expect people to actually pay to play for 4 months.


RE: Still not buying
By lightfoot on 1/28/2010 2:21:23 PM , Rating: 4
Or you're trying to offset your development costs in a timely manner so that your investors will allow you to stay in business...


RE: Still not buying
By Tewt on 1/31/2010 2:43:38 AM , Rating: 2
Champions offered trials from the very beginning in the form of referrals from whoever signed up for a lifetime subscription. Recently(within the past month) they have offered an unlimited trial of the game. While that sounds nice, it is worthless because you are stuck in the tutorial and have no access to the Powerhouse to get new powers or your travel power.

One guy even leveled his character in there to 40 just to do it.


RE: Still not buying
By Gul Westfale on 1/28/2010 9:25:51 AM , Rating: 2
and their pricing is rather high. 15 bucks/month? wtf.
http://www.startrekonline.com/subscribe


RE: Still not buying
By IdBuRnS on 1/28/2010 9:25:15 AM , Rating: 2
Their pricing model is the exact same as World of Warcraft...

With the exception that STO is offering a one-time payment of ~$230 for a lifetime subscription, which is actually a good deal as it works out to only about 18-months of subscriptions costs.


RE: Still not buying
By DigitalFreak on 1/28/2010 11:40:04 AM , Rating: 2
Of course if the game sucks, you're out $280 instead of just $49.99 for the box.


RE: Still not buying
By monomer on 1/28/2010 12:02:23 PM , Rating: 2
Someone had pointed out in the previous article that even if you pay for a lifetime suscription, you can still opt-out if you cancel within the first 30-days that you get free from the purchase of the box.

The thing I worry about is if you like the game, but it doesn't gain any traction, so you're basically stuck playing by yourself on basically empty servers. Or if they pulled a New Game Experience, or whatever it was called in Star Wars Galaxies.


RE: Still not buying
By mindless1 on 1/28/2010 2:26:11 PM , Rating: 2
Remember this is 2010 and the internet, even if the game has very few followers that could still end up being thousands of players, certainly hundreds online at any one moment in time.


RE: Still not buying
By UNHchabo on 1/28/2010 4:06:42 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I still play a bunch of Half-Life 1 mods, some of them fairly obscure, and there are still always at least a few people playing at any given time. BrainBread, Firearms, The Specialists, and Sven Co-op all have players on at all times of the day.


RE: Still not buying
By Malhavoc on 1/28/2010 12:18:28 PM , Rating: 2
That is standard MMO monthly pricing.

Not making any comments about the game itself as I don't plan to play it.


RE: Still not buying
By Souka on 1/28/2010 1:56:28 PM , Rating: 2
Does't the 1st AT article show $15/month...but rates going up Feb 2nd?

Ouch...


RE: Still not buying
By lightfoot on 1/28/2010 5:21:04 PM , Rating: 2
Nope, the only thing that changes on Feb 2nd is that you won't be able to sign up for the annual or lifetime subscriptions.

If you go month to month it will still be $15.
3 months at a time will be $14 per month.
6 months at a time will be $13 per month.

The 12-month limited time offer works out to be $10 per month.

The lifetime limited time offer works out to either $10 per month for the first two years, or 16 months at the month to month rate of $15.

If anything the rates go up to $15 per month, but at the moment you can get deals as low as $10 per month.


Free to roam in Star Trek Online?
By stlrenegade on 1/28/2010 10:33:14 AM , Rating: 2
So, can you take your starship and fly around and intimidate other starship users? Like threaten to crash into them? Can you actually do starship collisions?

I envision dozens of rogue starship captains becoming pirates and kamikazes.




RE: Free to roam in Star Trek Online?
By astralsolace on 1/28/2010 10:42:22 AM , Rating: 2
There is an ability that escorts get called "Ramming Speed," which you can use to damage enemies at the cost of your own health, but you can't do it to friendly players, no. You can use it in PVP, though.


RE: Free to roam in Star Trek Online?
By osxsier on 1/28/2010 12:54:38 PM , Rating: 2
Well thankfully there is a Del Taco right next to my house in San Jose, CA.

Ill be playing this tonight and hopefully having fun. Im just so burnt out on WoW anything has to be better. I played Eve for a while and I just found that it took too long to really get anywhere and it become boring after a while.

Hope this solves it.


By FITCamaro on 1/28/2010 1:55:12 PM , Rating: 2
Headstart doesn't begin until tomorrow.


RE: Free to roam in Star Trek Online?
By Reclaimer77 on 1/28/2010 3:48:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
There is an ability that escorts get called "Ramming Speed," which you can use to damage enemies at the cost of your own health, but you can't do it to friendly players, no. You can use it in PVP, though.


Sigh.. hearing shit like this kills any enthusiasm I had for subscribing. That's fucking stupid. Star ships do NOT "ram". You do not freaking TOUCH another ship with yours unless you are prepared to die and lose your ship. It's a life or death desperation tactic, not something you casually do with minimal risk on a routine basis.

Fucking retarded. We finally get a Star Trek MMO and they turn it into Picard's BumperShips 2010 !! Goddamnit.


RE: Free to roam in Star Trek Online?
By lightfoot on 1/28/2010 5:33:09 PM , Rating: 2
Honestly in the game they treat it very much like you described. An act of desperation that can only be used by the smallest most aggressive vessels (Escorts) and is treated very much like in First Contact or Nemesis. It is unlikely to be a survivable tactic unless you are ramming a much smaller/weaker vessel.

I must admit that the penalties for accidental collisions aren't nearly as severe as I would like, but I suspect that has to do with the fact that it is online and suffers from latency and lag like any other MMO. (Collision detection is notoriously bad in MMOs.)


RE: Free to roam in Star Trek Online?
By FITCamaro on 1/28/2010 9:44:48 PM , Rating: 2
There aren't any collision penalties that I saw. If you "hit" another ship you just stopped. Same with asteroids and the like.


By Reclaimer77 on 1/28/2010 11:44:41 PM , Rating: 2
:(


By lightfoot on 1/29/2010 2:29:48 PM , Rating: 2
Colliding with terrain I agree there were no penalties, I'm not sure about Player/Enemy collisions (damn Klingons wouldn't stop shooting for me to test it.) One thing is certian - if you're too close when they go up, so do you.

Player/Player collisions also do nothing probably to avoid abuse of such a system. (There is always that "one guy" who tries to ruin the game for others...)


North East and other parts of the US
By Rommer1 on 1/28/2010 9:12:10 AM , Rating: 3
The big problem is there are NO Del Taco in the North East and many other states. Lets not even try other parts of the world.




RE: North East and other parts of the US
By morgan12x on 1/28/2010 9:22:15 AM , Rating: 2
They should have teamed up with Taco Bell or McD's


RE: North East and other parts of the US
By crimson117 on 1/28/2010 4:37:59 PM , Rating: 2
STO is to WoW as Del Taco is to Taco Bell


By lightfoot on 1/28/2010 5:26:25 PM , Rating: 2
You mean that Del Taco is new, shiny and in space? Cool.


By mindless1 on 1/28/2010 2:28:05 PM , Rating: 2
There is still some benefit, getting a few thousand playing the beta for more diverse opinions/reviews of the gaming experience.


I had a good laugh...
By The0ne on 1/28/2010 10:00:46 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Type-8 Shuttlecraft "pet" add-on for their Starship


Can't beat having this pet for sure!




RE: I had a good laugh...
By FITCamaro on 1/28/2010 12:25:06 PM , Rating: 2
I'm wondering what it does. Just hover around your ship? Attack your target?


RE: I had a good laugh...
By LordanSS on 1/28/2010 12:56:19 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, just hovers around your ship. Nothing special, really.


RE: I had a good laugh...
By lightfoot on 1/28/2010 5:22:49 PM , Rating: 3
What else are "pets" supposed to do? My cat hasn't done squat in the last ten years.


STO
By 2bdetermine on 1/28/2010 1:27:22 PM , Rating: 2
After eating all that taco I would be too sick to have any appetite left for STO.




RE: STO
By mindless1 on 1/28/2010 2:44:18 PM , Rating: 2
Then see a doctor, you are very unhealthy if you can't eat the same food everyone else does... but I realize you were just pretending to be a snob about food, but you didn't realize it is an old joke and you could've just stated you don't like their food.


Del Taco?
By decembersun on 2/22/2010 4:44:29 PM , Rating: 2
I've never heard of Del Taco, and looking at their site, they aren't even in my state (or in many others, for that fact.)

Wouldn't it have made sense to promote this via a chain that is at least nationwide?




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