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Cooper Lawrence appears disgusted when Geoff Keighley asks if she has played Mass Effect
Electronic Arts calls out Fox News reporting as hitting "a new level of recklessness"

When it comes to reporting, cable news has a certain reputation of sensationalizing its subjects. Perhaps the mantra of the station is to make its news as entertaining as some of its fictional shows on the network.

Mainstream media making a mountain out of molehill about video game is nothing new to me. I rarely care anymore after years of seeing Jack Thompson run his mouth about Rockstar’s games.

I don’t get my news from TV anymore, so I only became aware of this when the gaming community furiously exploded at the gross negligence for the truth as demonstrated by Fox News.

Fox News during one of its evening Live Desk programs aired feature headlined “’SE’XBOX? MICROSOFT: CLAIMS ARE INACCURATE & MISLEADING” which targeted the apparent crimes committed on today’s use through BioWare’s Mass Effect.

More specifically, the television channel positioned game’s brief sexual encounter as some sort of grossly graphic abomination of modern day morality in a “think of the children” tone. Problem is, Fox News gets it all wrong. While I don’t expect all audiences to understand what an RPG is, let alone Mass Effect, Fox News appears so clueless that its staff isn’t even aware that ESRB game ratings also appear on the front of the game box.

Radio talk show host and author Cooper Lawrence was called on by Fox News to give her take on the outrageously damaging effects that games such as Mass Effect have on the world. Of course, she has never played Mass Effect. Long-time video game media member Geoff Keighley tries his best to provide calm and sensible rebuttals, but Fox News appears uninterested in his logic and instead turns it over to a panel that continues to comment on the horrors of Mass Effect.

I could go on and on about the inaccuracies presented by Fox News that night, but it’s probably easiest if you just viewed the video clip here.

Electronic Arts, now the owners of BioWare, responded to Fox News via a letter written by EA’s VP of communications, Jeff Brown. “The resulting coverage was insulting to the men and women who spent years creating a game which is acclaimed by critics for its high creative standards,” he wrote. “As video games continue to take audiences away from television, we expect to see more TV news stories warning parents about the corrupting influence of interactive entertainment. But this represents a new level of recklessness.”

Brown lists factual errors committed by the program during its brief airtime, such as a Fox News voice-over reporter saying: “You'll see full digital nudity and the ability for players to engage in graphic sex.”

“Do you watch the Fox Network? Do you watch Family Guy? Have you ever seen The OC?” Brown questioned. “Do you think the sexual situations in Mass Effect are any more graphic than scenes routinely aired on those shows? Do you honestly believe that young people have more exposure to Mass Effect than to those prime time shows?”

Brown then concluded, “This isn't a legal threat; it's an appeal to your sense of fairness. We're asking FNC to correct the record on Mass Effect.”

Meanwhile, members of the online community enraged by Cooper Lawrence’s misinformed take on Mass Effect have given their own opinions on the author’s book. Amazon has since removed the user reviews.

What Fox News has done is disheartening. As much as the Nintendo Wii and DS have done to brought the mainstream market into video games, complex, intellectual and mature games such as Mass Effect will be continually misunderstood by those who can’t get past that video games are now much more than just Pac-Man and Pong.

At one point, one of the panelists on Fox News says, “This made me feel old, watching this. What happened to Atari, and pinball, and Pac-Man?”

Sadly, video gaming will not get its fair shake and coverage until the a certain generation of so-called reporters – such as those at Fox News – die off and are replaced by those who grew up with games such as Mass Effect.





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Srsly.
By therealnickdanger on 1/24/2008 3:28:13 PM , Rating: 4
I saw the travesty that was that news story. Emphasis on "story". I have played the game enough times in enough ways to see just about every "sex scene" in the game.

The Fifth Element - rated PG-13 - shows more nudity than this game. Twice as much, in fact. Unlike that movie, you can choose NOT to have sex in Mass Effect. I did it in one of my playthroughs just to be mean to Ashley (one of the game's love interests). I was trying to get as many Renegade (a-hole) points as possible.




RE: Srsly.
By Kefner on 1/24/2008 3:46:59 PM , Rating: 3
Yea, really. I have played through this game twice already, have seen the nude scenes, and thought they were pretty damn tame, and short. For me, I had to play though most of the game, and do a hell of a lot of talking to my female squad mates to get it to even occur. Most people have probably played through a few times without even unlocking the sex scenes. This is completely ridiculous reporting on FNCs part!


RE: Srsly.
By MatthiasF on 1/24/2008 10:49:12 PM , Rating: 2
Aren't all of the scenes exactly the same camera angles and animations as well?

I haven't played the game yet, but all of the character combinations shown on YouTube have the exact same sequence for the sex scene.

Standing embrace with rolling camera, closeup hands roaming, closeup of face out of focus, then the nude butt scene as the female climbs up the other person. Whoop de freakin' do.

If this kind of stuff is going to freak out a young mind, they are not going to be able to handle real life.


RE: Srsly.
By eye smite on 1/24/2008 4:52:42 PM , Rating: 4
In the 80s as a teenager, my standard quote was "the news is 20% truth and 80% BS". I turned 20 in 1990 and continued with that quote. In 2000 I was compelled to change that quote to " the news is 4% truth, 6% ignorant, uneducated specualtion, and 90% BS". I haven't watched CNN, Fox news or the like in about 5 yrs or more now and have no desire to. What's unsettling to me is the mass amount of people in this nation that focus on their family, home and little world and don't want to research this for themselves and buy straight into the BS. I'm sure you know exactly what I mean.


RE: Srsly.
By Ringold on 1/24/2008 6:53:26 PM , Rating: 1
"What's unsettling to me is the mass amount of people in this nation that focus on their family, home and little world" - Eye Smite

"Comrades! We must abolish the cult of the individual decisively, once and for all." - Khrushchev

"All our lives we fought against exalting the individual, against the elevation of the single person, and long ago we were over and done with the business of a hero, and here it comes up again: the glorification of one personality. This is not good at all." - Lenin

"It is thus necessary that the individual should come to realize that his own ego is of no importance in comparison with the existence of his nation ... we understand only the individual's capacity to make sacrifices for the community, for his fellow man." - Hitler

I prefer this, myself:
"When will the world learn that a million men are of no importance compared with one man?" - Thoreau


RE: Srsly.
By Captain Orgazmo on 1/24/2008 7:17:10 PM , Rating: 2
I'm also all for the individual Ringold, but I don't think Eye Smite meant what you think he meant. His point is indeed a bit fuzzy, but if I interpret him correctly, I agree. Many people are so consumed by their own existence that they barely realize that there is a world out there much bigger than themselves, and when something happening of international influence affects them personally, they are always surprised. Of course this type of discussion is almost wholly out of place in relation to this story of moronic news people completely missing the point (ala Michael Bay and Pearl Harbor... team america?.. etc, etc).


RE: Srsly.
By Ringold on 1/24/2008 9:16:09 PM , Rating: 2
I had in mind many of his last posts. He meant what you say he meant, and what I was getting at too.

At least, I could point out easily a dozen such posts.

And it just so happens I had the "cult" quote in my mind, and the similarity struck me. I went from there.


RE: Srsly.
By Captain Orgazmo on 1/24/2008 9:31:26 PM , Rating: 2
I see your point... (I was too lazy to check comment history, but not too lazy to post? hmmm :o)


RE: Srsly.
By wordsworm on 1/25/2008 8:19:07 AM , Rating: 4
I'd like to add:

"Ask not what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country." JFK

I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crises. The great point is to bring them the real facts. - Abraham Lincoln

"History will be kind to me for I intend to write it." - Sir Winston Churchill

"In my country we go to prison first and then become President." Nelson Mandela - In America, Mandela's criminal background would've prevented him from running.

Too bad ninety percent of the politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. Henry Kissinger

As if commenting on Bush II, "In politics, stupidity is not a handicap." Napoleon. To prove his point, I just thought I'd like to add some quotes from modern American politicians:

A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls.
George W. Bush

One word sums up probably the responsibility of any Governor, and that one word is 'to be prepared'. George W. Bush

We must all hear the universal call to like your neighbor like you like to be liked yourself. George W. Bush

The most important job is not to be Governor, or First Lady in my case.
George W. Bush

I have opinions of my own - strong opinions - but I don't always agree with them.- - George Bush

Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our children.
Dan Quayle

It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it. Dan Quayle

Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do.
- Ronald Reagan

I'm for a stronger death penalty. - President George Bush

I understand small business growth. I was one. - George W. Bush

Rarely is the question asked: is our children learning. - George W. Bush

My thoughts: no matter how badly America chooses in the next election, it can't be as bad as George Bush II.


RE: Srsly.
By therealnickdanger on 1/25/2008 11:26:15 AM , Rating: 2
Really? ... Really?

Yeah, sure, that list of quotes is funny, but all completely out of context. Have you ever screwed up while speaking? We can't all be perfectly eloquent 100% of the time. I'm sure I would have a LOT to laugh at if I had thousands of people scrutinizing every word I have ever uttered.

I dunno, I just get sick of the same old bullsh*t rhetoric about how dumb President Bush is. Believe it or not, he's likely much smarter than you or I.


RE: Srsly.
By DarkElfa on 1/25/08, Rating: 0
RE: Srsly.
By wordsworm on 1/25/2008 8:02:56 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Believe it or not, he's likely much smarter than you or I.
I'll agree with 50% of what you said if you change the "I" to "me."


RE: Srsly.
By PitViper007 on 1/29/2008 2:16:15 PM , Rating: 2
Way to take Eye Smite's comment way out of context.


RE: Srsly.
By wordsworm on 1/25/2008 7:41:07 AM , Rating: 1
You've completely missed 'propaganda,' 'brainwashing,' and 'fear mongering' in your calculation there. As much as I love bashing Americans, I can't help but include my own Canadian government in that.


Come on!
By pauldovi on 1/24/2008 3:53:55 PM , Rating: 3
We all know Fox News doesn't have an agenda!




RE: Come on!
RE: Come on!
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 1/24/2008 4:21:00 PM , Rating: 2
OMG, that's awesome :)


RE: Come on!
By pauldovi on 1/24/2008 5:39:10 PM , Rating: 2
I go to school in Daytona Beach!


RE: Come on!
By onwisconsin on 1/25/2008 11:41:35 PM , Rating: 2
Give this man a 6, that was priceless!


RE: Come on!
By elFarto on 1/26/2008 8:48:07 AM , Rating: 2
Jeez, there's more nudity in that bit of Faux News than there is in Mass Effect...


It's Fox News
By Bioniccrackmonk on 1/24/2008 3:47:58 PM , Rating: 3
Thats what my friend's and I would say whenever someone did something stupid or said something retarded.




RE: It's Fox News
By Ringold on 1/24/08, Rating: 0
RE: It's Fox News
By Bioniccrackmonk on 1/24/2008 5:23:59 PM , Rating: 2
I never said anything about CNN being better, personally I don't watch any of the garbage that these news shows have because that is just what it is, garbage.


RE: It's Fox News
By Ringold on 1/24/2008 6:19:06 PM , Rating: 2
The "It's Fox News" title implied that Fox was somehow worse then the others; thats what prompted my response. I agree, they're all mostly garbage.


Good ol' Fox News
By marsbound2024 on 1/24/2008 8:33:04 PM , Rating: 3
Wow... FOX has really nothing else to debate about these days. Hey look! A video game! GET IT! But we'll keep those commercials of Cialis and Trojan condoms and continuing hiring these big-breasted news anchors and air shows featuring lust and sexual temptations. We're FOX and we can do that without flinching. While we're at it, FOX news will start sending its staff out to schools around the nation teaching abstinence while giving out condoms and preaching the word of God because evolution is nothing but a crock.

FOX News: Denying reality and living in a paradox since 1996.




RE: Good ol' Fox News
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 1/24/2008 10:12:30 PM , Rating: 2
Well, to be fair, CNN, the NYT, and the BBC have been doing the same on the opposite side for that long if not longer as well.


RE: Good ol' Fox News
By MaulBall789 on 1/25/2008 8:12:52 AM , Rating: 2
Funny, I don't recall seeing CNN, the NYT, or the BBC touting Mass Effect's sex scenes as fantastic children's entertainment.


This upsets me
By phaxmohdem on 1/24/2008 3:31:44 PM , Rating: 4
I don't know about you guys, but now that the University of Massachusetts says I can't tell the difference between RL and gaming I'm going to grab my 9mm and have a little fun GTA style.

Seriously STFU Fox News.




RE: This upsets me
By jbzx86 on 1/24/2008 4:11:36 PM , Rating: 2
HAH, that retarded "psychologist" referred to a study of which the details were not explained! How biased is that?

Fox News is all about getting viewers to tune in and stay tuned in. They make money not by their news, but by their advertising. At the end of the day, they are adding up how many viewers are watching, not the quality of their reports or their level of bias.


Hmm.....
By monitorjbl on 1/24/2008 3:59:37 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not a journalist or anything, but I have to wonder, should it not be some sort of necessity for someone at a news station to have played the game through before running a story on it? I suppose I can understand the actual FOX News person not playing it, as she wasn't "really" giving her direct opinion on it, she just spread FUD with her take on the Digital Age, but the people on the panel and the psychologist seemed to have formed a solid opinion on the game with bad information and FOX gave them a soapbox on which to stand.

While I'm sure being a parent is tough, (I wouldn't know firsthand) it seems to me that whining about how gosh-darned hard it is doesn't really show your kids a great example. Man up (or woman up) and make your kids not do the things that you think are bad with parenting , not whining. Learn about the games your kids want to play before you buy them, and for god's sake, punish them for playing games you disapprove of!




RE: Hmm.....
By DASQ on 1/24/2008 5:42:27 PM , Rating: 2
That "necessity" would mean that 3/4 of the news stories ran today wouldn't exist.


RE: Hmm.....
By monitorjbl on 1/24/2008 7:37:15 PM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't call that a bad thing...


last paragraph
By soydios on 1/24/2008 7:25:13 PM , Rating: 2
Granted, Fox News was ignorant and untruthful, but the last paragraph of your article is just uncalled for.




RE: last paragraph
By spookynutz on 1/26/2008 3:46:43 PM , Rating: 2
I would say that last paragraph was appropriate. You have a group of people doing shoddy reporting on a subject they know nothing about. They have no contextual reference for anything they have to say about the game. They might as well be making up news. Also, the fact that they're pining over the days of Atari, a console that actually had hardcore adult themed games, just shows how uninformed this piece really is.


FOX is the worse of news channels
By Belard on 1/25/2008 4:26:46 AM , Rating: 2
What can you expect from FOX? Its always been the righteous, right-wing, propaganda station about everything. The phrase "Fair and balanced" was always a joke with that network.

Oh well...

If FOX and the people who live by FOX's vision had their way. We'd all be in Leave it to beaver land. There will ne no cursing, no nudity (in life, movies or games), no sex before marriage (that means death) and you're going to hell if you fart the wrong way.

Remember: When tested, people who watch FOX news the most have the least amount of correct facts.




By elmikethemike on 1/25/2008 9:00:23 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
What can you expect from FOX? Its always been the righteous, right-wing, propaganda station about everything. The phrase "Fair and balanced" was always a joke with that network.


As opposed to CNN, MSNBC? You say that as if all other networks are actually "fair and balanced", which is total nonsense. I'll be the first to say FNC is generally right of center on their reporting, but as far as I'm concerned, it's a welcome chance of pace when compared to the reporting of all the other networks.

The news media in general is extremely liberal. NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN...all of them. And when you subscribe to their ideals, you automatically write off FNC because they present news in a different, positive light. That's why SO many people love to hate FNC. I turn on MSNBC and all I hear is negativity left and right. Liberals are the absolute most pessimistic people I've ever met. I'm surprised you all haven't committed suicide yet based on how terrible life is for you. Get over yourselves.

It's a free country and FNC can present the "news" however they see fit. If you don't like, don't watch it or pay attention. But too bad for you, FNC has the highest rated shows of any cable news network, so it's not going anywhere. If you don't think so, look it up.


Not News...
By eyebeeemmpawn on 1/25/2008 12:38:34 PM , Rating: 2
I've only ever watched fox news to observe the spin. They are always doing this. Did anyone watch the "debate" between Micheal Moore and Dr. Asshat Gupta, and then see the headline on the Fox News website the next day?

I am truly saddened and disappointed to think of how many people believe them. News on tv couldn't be misleading, right? Fair and Balanced? No Spin Zone? Get real. They should sued for false advertising. Rupert Murdoch has been blasting the GOP agenda since the Regan days. It is all ratings grabbing BS.

I'm all for freedom of the press, but Fox News Channel should be called Fox Brainwashing Tabloid Network.




RE: Not News...
By DarkElfa on 1/25/2008 2:51:52 PM , Rating: 2
Why are people still watching FOX news? Hell, I'm a Republican and I can't even stomach their ultra conservative, right-wing garbage, it isn't even news, all they do anymore are retarded interviews of even more retarded people. It should be called FOX Dumbass Opinions because no news can be found on that channel.


What did you expect, it's Fox News?
By mindless1 on 1/24/2008 4:46:38 PM , Rating: 2
Nobody who wants a sane and unsensationalized news coverage watches it. The news, that Fox news is trash, is old.




By Nik00117 on 1/24/2008 5:33:30 PM , Rating: 1
When I was 13 I had seen several pronos, watched many violent films, and played lots of game.

Gotta tell you, 5 years later

I have yet to rape anyone
Kill anyone
Or just go on a mad spree

Also it seems that I have been particullarly gifted at understanding that you can't take on 6 SWAT unit vans, and nurmous other ploice officers, kill them a m-16 and take their car. And if you get bored, its not like your briding your way out of it.

I haven't gotten mass effect due to the fact that I game on the PC, But I highly doubt this game has a very long sex scene. Its mosltly what i'd call "softporn" type of stuff you see on TV.

I wish I was there, on the panel. O boy o boy they'd of hated my opinion. First off i've of said this

Avg age of the typical gamer is 30 years old
Secondly its not the govs job or the producers job to ensure that kids don't get their hands on this stuff, its the parents so parents stop blaming your bad parenting skills on others
Then finally, shut up about this game unless you've played once you've all played it through then your opinion shall respected, until then your just a bunch of assholes stuffing shit up americans ears so can get that paycheck at the end of the month.

Also gamers think your assholes and don't care what you have to say.

TVYM good bye, and no I don't expect to be paid for my apperance. Then walk off :)


Good for EA
By clovell on 1/24/2008 6:00:47 PM , Rating: 2
I know a lot people don't like EA and were pretty ticked when they acquired Bioware, but I've got to say that I'm glad they stepped up to the plate here. Without bashing Fox News any further, all I can say is EA showed some class here.




well !!
By ewokblaster on 1/29/2008 4:39:24 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
What happened to Atari, and pinball, and Pac-Man
??? Who brought this guy out of cryo-stasis?

Of course it is perfectly fine to show people being burnt alive or hanged because one day we need you to be a good little soldier and go fight in an irrelevant desert somewhere.




Has anyone watched OUTFOXED?
By ewokblaster on 1/29/2008 4:40:38 AM , Rating: 2
You should. Case in point exactly.




Ashley
By DingieM on 1/25/2008 3:52:48 AM , Rating: 1
I had a romance with Ashley at the end of the game.
She looks great yummie :-)

I play a woman now, but don't care in a romance, just want to SHOOT!




Parents...
By excrucio on 1/28/2008 2:05:41 PM , Rating: 1
Why should smart little nosy people in the University of Boston or something without any kids, or possibly a small child have anything to say from experience? Oh because research says so?

Well riddle me this cupcake, there are rating in game, the local game stop will not sell you the mass effect game if you're not 17 or 18 above. Parents will go ahead and buy these games for their pretty little child to play and enjoy the fun time during Christmas break or the off time. Gamers that put dedication into games and possibly creating a living out of it by playing for money will usually stay away from drugs. I'm a person that can prove that.

If the game is rated M and the 13 year old kid is playing, where are his parents? yeah possibly working and not caring because in their head its a freaking VIDEO GAME!!!

Kids exploring sexuality and gore in games... Well what in the hell do we see on tv every day? Iraqi soldiers blown up in cars, American soldiers dying blown up, amputated limbs. get real it's just our world of today. Sexuality...it's rated M for a reason.

by the way don't throw all that crap about video games making a kids head into chaos and making him into a shooter, shooting people in schools like its counter strike on crack. It's their environment, parents arguing, fighting, pressure, stress, humiliation in school. That is what causes those horrible shootings. Not the damn video game, or else every movie should be banned eh.

I been playing video games since the age of 11 all shooting games, im 18 i never had a break down to the point i wanted to shoot my self or go on a rampage. my house environment is great, but wud i be this way if i had a shitty environment and parents that could careless of what i do? maybe. maybe not.

I effing hate fox, they are terrible. Half those smarty looking people from universities have a lack of knowledge and experience. IGNORANT people.

my 2 cent.

Rate it down or up. it's what i think and im for gamers.




Yeah
By billybob24 on 1/24/08, Rating: -1
RE: Yeah
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 1/24/2008 6:26:26 PM , Rating: 3
I disagree, I think that were about a 50/50 split between Liberal and Conservative, with a large portion in the "who cares" category. :P


RE: Yeah
By Hoser McMoose on 1/24/2008 10:40:06 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Gee, like Dailytech isn't piling on Fox News just because they aren't liberal

No, Dailytech is piling on Fox News because they're bloody morons! That doesn't mean that CNN and others AREN'T morons as well. It's just that sometimes Fox News really manages to out-do themselves by proving beyond a shadow of a doubt their lack of intelligence and inability to provide accurate reporting.

This was one of those times.


RE: Yeah
By winterspan on 1/24/2008 10:43:56 PM , Rating: 1
wow surprising.. someone named "Billybob" spouting off his mouth about how "liberal" everyone else but himself and his favorite news source Fox is. I'm sure EVERY OTHER NEWS STATION does seem liberal to you. It's only because your uneducated, moronic perspective is coming from so far to the right, you cannot possibly view ANYTHING in an objective manner.
Let me guess... you live in the south, white trash, barely finished high school, drive a Camaro, like to shoot things, believe the Earth is 5,000 years old and/or flat, humanity was magically forged into existence in their current form by the hand of a deity, etc...


RE: Yeah
By Kaleid on 1/25/2008 4:54:03 AM , Rating: 2
The Daily Show does not only make fun of the rightwing (well, by European standards both two parties in USA are rightwing) it's just simply been a bit simpler with Bush in the whitehouse

http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/09/28/comedy.po...

Fox News watchers didn't do so well in information basis.

But there's really no left and rightwing media at all.

"The Mainstream media really represent elite interests, and what the propaganda model tries to do is stipulate a set of institutional variables, reflecting this elite power, that very powerfully influence the media."
-Edward Hermand.

"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate." --Noam Chomsky

"I came to see that news is what people want to keep hidden, and everything else is publicity." Bill Moyers, May 15, 2005.


RE: Yeah
By therealnickdanger on 1/25/2008 7:54:13 AM , Rating: 2
I remember that poll and all it really said was: people who watch the Daily Show are more likely to be very wealthy, liberal-minded, academic snobs. Something we didn't already know?

I don't fit any of those criteria (thankfully), but I can appreciate the fine humor of the Daily Show, as well as the bias. Decent program, very biting, but I would never use it as a source of fact or truth - even if it does stumble across one or both during a punchline.


RE: Yeah
By Kaleid on 1/28/2008 7:29:06 AM , Rating: 2
Snobbery? Oh please, there's nothing wrong with education, that's what makes sure USA produces plenty of Nobel prize winners and contribute greatly to science and knowledge overall.

And don't make this an elitism issue, since that would certainly fit the rightwing party and it's spokespeople as well, and perhaps even more.

As other studies have showed, the Daily Show hardly is a main source for information and you can notice this by observing how the audience reacts almost instantly before the punch line is even delivered. The knowledge is already there, the Daily Show simply points out the funny in all the absurdities politics brings us.

Read the full study, it's not as biased as may want it to be.


RE: Yeah
By MrPoletski on 1/25/2008 5:46:51 AM , Rating: 2
"Gee, like Dailytech isn't piling on Fox News just because they aren't liberal like the 19 other competing networks are,"

That is the greatest trick the most right wing outlet ever pulled off. Every reporter has his own individual bias. Every decent reporter stifles this as much as possible and delivers facts - the interpretation of which is left up to the listener.

Every network suffer from bad reporting but there is definitely and unequivocally NOT an overall liberal/left wing bias in the media of the USA. If anything, it is right wing biased because the minstream is following the agenda of the elite.

Fox news is the worst, by far the worst, news site I have ever watched. It is the main proponent of this 'sharp left turn in the media', it does this to make out like it is the shining beacon of objectiveness in the left wing world, wheras they are actually just horribly right wing biased.

This issue is another example, sex in anything other than a sealed room twice in your lifetime to get your 2.4 children is bad in the extreme rights eyes. So (not being extreme) they speak out about any kind of sex they see as a means to bash the left wing by also criticising their support for it.

Tony Snow of fox news used to right speeches for George Bush Snr and the management have a long history of involvement in the GOP. http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1067 . You can't argue with facts, even if thi site might have its own bias.

Not to mention the idiots on there like Pat Buchannen and Bil o'Reilly. Sean hannity and 'fox and friends'. Opinion is passed off as fact on this channel.

My suggestion to you is get out of your state and country and start seeing the real world and you'll find that what fox news reports and what is reality are far apart. People like CNN are still only half way there.

People that cheer fox news on are deluding themselves. They like the things fox says because it agrees with their beliefs. That would be fine if they didn't misrepresent arguments and not give fair hearings to the other side.

It was fox news that tried to pass off mark foley as a democrat for christs sake.


RE: Yeah
By MrPoletski on 1/25/2008 5:49:10 AM , Rating: 2
My bad, replace pat buchannen with Rush Limbaugh.


RE: Yeah
By therealnickdanger on 1/25/2008 8:02:24 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
If anything, it is right wing biased because the minstream is following the agenda of the elite.

Are you sure about that? All the mainstream news I see make conservatives out to be ignorant a-holes, rarely point out the very good things in our economy, and constantly berate our military. Not exactly traits I would relate to conservative bias. You may be able to say that many media moguls are conservative - I haven't done a head count - but their influence apparently stops outside the boardroom doors.

At the end of the day, every news agency seems to be shouting the same thing at us, regardless of who's talking... which I why I stopped listening a long time ago.


RE: Yeah
By eyebeeemmpawn on 1/25/2008 12:53:00 PM , Rating: 2
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You may be able to say that many media moguls are conservative - I haven't done a head count - but their influence apparently stops outside the boardroom doors.


You need to educate yourself about who Rupert Murdoch is, what he owns, and his political agenda.

If you (not you specifically, Mr. Danger) make less than $1,000,000 and year, support the GOP, and accept what you see on Fox News as fact. Please throw yourself from the nearest structure greater than 60 ft tall. Do it for the rights and freedoms of the rest of us. </over-top-rant>


RE: Yeah
By Yames on 1/25/2008 11:14:58 AM , Rating: 2
"It is the main proponent of this 'sharp left turn in the media', it does this to make out like it is the shining beacon of objectiveness in the left wing world, wheras they are actually just horribly right wing biased."

Fox news is what ~10 years old? Let's look at the other big outlets: CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC; all are much older then Fox. I have watched them all, and all are left-wing biased. Maybe CNN is not as biased on the left side as Fox is to the right, but it shows that their bias is not in response to Fox, but perhaps the other way around.


RE: Yeah
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 1/25/2008 1:40:39 PM , Rating: 3
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Fox news is what ~10 years old? Let's look at the other big outlets: CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC; all are much older then Fox. I have watched them all, and all are left-wing biased. Maybe CNN is not as biased on the left side as Fox is to the right, but it shows that their bias is not in response to Fox, but perhaps the other way around.

Some have mentioned in it before -- in the scope of global media ALL of our media is very right-wing bias. Put BBC (Not BBC America, actual BBC) next to CNN any day if you want to see a difference.

What about Al Jazeera? No bias there I'm sure. Ever check out France 24?

These stations exist because they convey messages that people want to hear, rather than completely unbiased facts 24/7. And that makes sense right? Even a site like DailyTech wouldn't exist if we didn't cater the content to what people want to hear and see (to some extent).

The system is flawed. "Journalistic integrity" is a word I hear a lot of. But ethical codes of journalism have existed for less than 100 year. The other side of the coin, bias media, existed since man first put pen to paper.


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