Frum is a well respected journalist – he gained prestige
during the 1990s and in 2000 was appointed to a position as a Special
Assistant to President George W. Bush. Now, with his Bush days
behind him, the esteemed media mind who once coined the term "axis
of evil", is turning his attention to a new topic --
transportation. Frum recently wrote an opinion
column in CNN sounding
off on the topic of the transportation industry moving away from
gasoline. He voiced skepticism on the topic, referring to
hydrogen fuel cell cars or solar cells as "magic
machines". Further, he questions how serious
politicians like U.S. President Barack Obama really are in their
to hybrids and electric vehicles. He writes:
will make such changes only if they feel a strong incentive to do so:
most typically, if they believe that higher oil prices have arrived
for keeps.So a politician who wished to move America away
from oil would begin by saying something like: "$4 a gallon
gasoline is here forever. Even if the price of oil on world markets
declines, we'll impose extra taxes here at home. Make your plans
emphasizes that such a tax increase would be the only way at this
point to effectively move America off oil reliance in a reasonable
amount of time. He states:
want to get the country off oil? Tax it. (Politicians may not wish to
say it, but their advisers can at least think it.) Then liberate
people to find their own best alternative – and incentivize
industry to develop alternatives that make sense at the new higher
price. And be prepared to argue candidly and straightforwardly in the
marketplace of ideas why this new tax is right and justified.
not, then kindly please spare us the grand speeches about how the
status quo is the thing you will not accept. It is precisely the
thing you are accepting.
seems relatively clear that Frum does not actually think such a tax
is the way to go. However, there's a good possibility that some
people will seriously consider his suggestions of a gas tax, in the
wake of the worst
environmental disaster in U.S. history. And one must
consider that some have suggested
a gas tax much like that proposed by Frum -- with the key
difference being that they actually supported it.
quote: What alternatives to oil do you have? electricity? been tried dozens of times since the early 1900's (like 1903) and the same problems exist now that did then.
quote: lots of people went out and bought smaller cars, carpooled, rode bicycles, and used public transit. Those are all good things in my opinion.
quote: and several times that amount if the lawmakers give the green light to development of lands now off-limits.
quote: Your understanding of the world is pitiful. Do you honestly think countries in the middle east are supporting terrorism?
quote: before the good old US of A rolled it's convoy of destruction into the heart of the middle east that it was a fairly peaceful place
quote: As for terrorists you'll probably find that the people who are fighting with American and British troops are the people who don't want THEIR country occupied and raped by another country, can you blame them for being pissed off?
quote: These people aren't terrorists, they are every day people
quote: western governments, oil companies and middle eastern governments who want their countries wealth for their peoples benefits and not for the chosen few.
quote: Is that what you call terrorism, the defending of your own land, of your own country?
quote: Some of them, yes. Iran, Pakistan, Syria, Libya...need I go on?
quote: Yep, thats what Kane & Abel said too, right?
quote: Who said the ones fighting WITH us were terrorists? I don't see Iran, Syria, Libya, Hamas, the Taliban, Al-Queda, etc fighting with us, do you?
quote: Yeah, those everyday people around here just strap C4 to their belts and walk down main street and blow up the local Coldstone Creamery. And then we go outside and throw rocks and girls who wear tank tops in 90 degree heat instead of a parka and ski mask.
quote: Right, its because the US puts Kings in place, and we support dictatorships all over. Hey if they want their mineral wealth for themselves, then they can feel free to harvest them on their own without our technology. Good luck getting to that oil with shovels.
quote: Well, around here in the US, 4 left winged judges voted against the 2nd most important item in our bill of rights. They accuse those of us who believe in the right to bear arms of being domestic terrorists. So in other words, you may not be too far off on this one.
quote: ohh right... the people who flew planes into civilian buildings because the date was ironic were "freedom fighters" right? STFU N00b!
quote: Our soldiers have found iranian weapons in IEDs (literally stamped with made in iran) on the battlefield in Iraq. Syrian people have been filmed getting arrested in Iraq and have said that they just wanted to kill Americans
quote: The reason our soldiers are over there is because your countries seem to think that they dont have to police their own borders and stop islamists from killing people. So we are doing your job for you. YOUR WELCOME!
quote: What is really ironic is that we cannot even secure our own borders and you think we can secure another country borders.
quote: We "can" secure our borders, we just have a bunch of looneys without the political guts to do it.
quote: Some attacks may be right, some may be wrong. Care to give any specifics as to what you're talking about?
quote: But allot of people on here support these same loonies in their attack of other countries and you believe these attacks justified cause the loonies tell you they are??
quote: Dude wtf are you even talking about?Actually nevermind. I don't want to know. It's an extremely stupid and weak point to be sure.
quote: It's pretty obvious...did I type to fast for you , I know you read slow.
quote: If you have any understanding, and I doubt it, you'll notice that before the good old US of A rolled it's convoy of destruction into the heart of the middle east that it was a fairly peaceful place, sure they have different laws and different religions, but that's their choice, like America has it's 'democracy'.
quote: If the U.S. had an official religion
quote: This isn't a racist or religious war, at least not on our part..
quote: We didn't fly those planes into the Towers or send those suicide bombers.
quote: We're all for you living how you want to live, right up until the point where you start destabilizing the whole planet and murdering our citizens. Sorry, but you don't have the "right" to do that.
quote: An what is funny is neither did the people whose countries we invaded. Last I check it was al qaeda, and as previously stated the leader of al qaeda and 9 of the 12 supposed 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia, so let me know when we are invading them?
quote: so when are we going to stop the US Govt from doing that?
quote: If there was an alternative to gasoline that worked and was able to compete (as stated above bio diesel and ethanol as examples) it would be brought to market by market demand not federal mandate.
quote: Lastly we get almost all of our oil from our own shores or Canada. We get some from Venezuela and about 6% from Saudi Arabia (not that I have any love for the arabs or anything). That's the totality of our foreign oil. You are advocating a dictatorship to stop us from buying oil on the world market (where all oil drilled ends up btw). Please log off the internet and set yourself on fire.
quote: What logic is that based on? Oh wait it's the logic of "we are killing the planet with our evil cars and we have to have an alternative that doesnt hurt the pwanet *tear* " ... right?
quote: That's what a tax will do... take money from people who dont support funding an alternative and give it to the company making the alternative. Its central planning at it's worst.
quote: There was a car powered by a nuclear reactor but it didnt sell well...
quote: I just saw the conclusion of the yearly solar race and the winning team was running by their car as it crossed the finish line...
quote: bio diesel gels at temps as warm as 71deg F
quote: Lastly we get almost all of our oil from our own shores or Canada.
quote: In the UK we pay £1.19 for a litre of unleaded which works out at about $9 a gallon, if we can manage then why can't you?
quote: Congratulations, you just solved two of our most pressing problems.
quote: Taxes destroy. How about destroying something we would all like to do with less of? \
quote: In the UK we pay £1.19 for a litre of unleaded which works out at about $9 a gallon, if we can manage then why can't you?
quote: We've already seen the devastating effects of $4-5 per gallon gas prices.
quote: NOTHING good comes of them.
quote: How any rational and clear-headed person would suggest such a thing is beyond me.
quote: Taxes were never and should never be intended to force a market change or shape a society. That's too much government intervention, which is what this entire proposal is. Using a government tax to force people to buy alternatives that they otherwise wouldn't see as being viable.
quote: Forgo one Starbucks latte a week and you'd come out even.</quote?>I guess if you only used 2-3 gallons a week that would work out. I think you need to check your math. quote: Freedom from foreign oil is nothing good? Reduced emissions is not good? A boost to the alternative energy industry is not good? I don't think anyone said freedom from foreign oil was a bad thing. There are other ways to achieve this without crippling our economy further with more BS to try to tax us to 100%. quote: ow a (seemingly) rational person like yourself would so blatantly condemn this tax is beyond me too. A gasoline tax is one of the best things the government could do for the country, given they offset the taxes somewhere else (by reducing payroll taxes, for instance). How a ration person would believe that taxes would be offset is beyond any line of rational thinking. In the last few years taxes have risen and been added to just about everything. Where did the tobacco tax get offset exactly? Not to mention when the "bush tax cuts for the rich" expire we're all going to be paying more taxes. quote: Normally, I would agree. But oil is different. You can't apply idea's to just those things you agree with. This has been the downfall of this country for along time now. Freedom of speech only applies to speech we find palatable for example. People should be responsible for their own actions,finances,etc unless they fall into category a,b,c or d. I hate the term slippery slope, but i'm not sure how else to describe this but as a slippery slope.
quote: Freedom from foreign oil is nothing good? Reduced emissions is not good? A boost to the alternative energy industry is not good?
quote: ow a (seemingly) rational person like yourself would so blatantly condemn this tax is beyond me too. A gasoline tax is one of the best things the government could do for the country, given they offset the taxes somewhere else (by reducing payroll taxes, for instance).
quote: Normally, I would agree. But oil is different.
quote: $4 gasoline was devestating because it happened so quickly and people had no time to adapt. For most, given a lead time, $4 gas is perfectly managable. Forgo one Starbucks latte a week and you'd come out even. But then again, nobody should have to sacrifice ANYTHING, right?
quote: How a (seemingly) rational person like yourself would so blatantly condemn this tax is beyond me too.
quote: A gasoline tax is one of the best things the government could do for the country, given they offset the taxes somewhere else
quote: The ACTUAL cost of a gallon of gasoline to society is far greater than what you or me pays at the pump
quote: Efficient businesses will need to pass on much less of an expense to the consumer.
quote: When that happens its too late to switch, we need to switch before it happns or the whole economy will tank. It's a good move if you ask me. A bitter pill, but it has to happen...
quote: ts basically free market, when product a becomes too expensive , product b becomes a more attractive alternative. They are talking about giving product a a boost, toward the door.
quote: I'm no fan of that $40 turning to $60 or $70 per week trust me...but if I'm being honest, we Americans really have little room to complain when it comes to what we pay at the pump.
quote: Please don't talk about things you don't understand. Blaming European use of energy taxes to pay for social programs is just silly. They have chosen to spend their taxes on social programs while the United States has spent a huge chunk on bombs, bullets, and tanks.
quote: Even if it turns out oil is limited and finite (which many studies suggest it is continually produced by the earth), it will still never run out.
quote: Competition lowers prices as long as the businesses aren't allowed to collude to fix the price of things.
quote: You know, if they taxed the profits of the biggest oil companies and offered tax returns and incentives to the companies who innovate and develop new technologies we would probably have way more efficient and environmentally friendly powered vehicles in a matter of years, not decades.
quote: But then reality slips in when the driver next to me in a urban assault vehicle is texting with one hand and chugging a latte with the other, while checking their makeup in the mirror.
quote: Look around you. How many people do YOU know that will drive to the store 1/2 mile down the road?
quote: I hate taxes as much as the next guy but right now there is not much incentive to invest R&D dollars into alternate fuel sources with the cost of gasoline being less than $3-$4 per gallon.
quote: He most definitely IS right. The only way to get us off oil is to tax it.