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Hardware Forget DVI, DMS59 Is Back Again
Kristopher Kubicki (Blog) - February 27, 2006 4:30 AM
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GeCube's low profile features a single DMS59 output
With space on the graphic card getting tight, DMS59 is on the rebound

Several years ago, NVIDIA and ATI tried to ship graphic cards with DSM59 outputs on high end adaptors with little success.  Dual Monitor System 59 (DMS59) is a 59-pin external interconnect for graphic cards.  The 59 pin cable can transmit two DVI signals at a time after which an adaptor can split the pin-out into any dual output combination of two DVI and two 15-pin D-sub outputs. 

At CeBIT 2006, GeCube will announce its low profile Radeon X1600 Pro adaptor with a single DMS59 output.  Corporate product managers from the company hinted to us that the X1600 Pro is just the first of a series of cards from GeCube that will reintroduce the DSM59 interconnect -- future plans include a dual DMS59 Radeon that would effectively allow one to connect four displays to a single card.  The Radeon X1600 to be announced does not support HDCP compatibility, but if it did the DMS59 interface would have no problem transmitting the signal we are told.

Molex owns the royalties on DMS59, which may have lead to the failure of manufacturers to adopt the interconnect standard.  With the glass ceiling of graphic card pricing constantly rising, the licensing fee for the DMS59 interface is now a considerably smaller percentage of the build cost compared to three years ago. 

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just what we needed, more adaptors!
By miahallen on 2/27/2006 4:47:09 AM , Rating: 3
Now I'll have this DMS59 connected to my DVI-VGA adaptor, connected to my VGA-BNC connectore for my HDTV....wonderful!




RE: just what we needed, more adaptors!
By SunAngel on 2/27/06, Rating: 0
RE: just what we needed, more adaptors!
By anselhelm on 2/27/2006 5:28:13 AM , Rating: 2
There was a Spanish Inquisition of sorts. No-one expected it. There were very few surivors...

...plus such posts tend to get deleted on more professional sites.

As for connections, I agree that companies need to learn to get along to set standards. Personally I think that consumer groups should ideally help new standards if companies are going to cause issues with conflicting standards, as a matter of LAW if necessary.

But of course, we first need to change our culture of letting corporations make laws into letting laws be made by the people themselves.


RE: just what we needed, more adaptors!
By blwest on 2/27/2006 10:32:22 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
...plus such posts tend to get deleted on more professional sites.


Like ones that post this in the test of the article
quote:
but if it did teh DMS59 interface would have no problem transmitting the signal we are told.


teh....looks like our professional sites are written by 13 year olds that play too much WOW. "I am teh winnar"


By blwest on 2/27/2006 10:33:08 AM , Rating: 2
*text*


By greenmrt on 2/27/2006 8:40:02 AM , Rating: 5
Is Soviet Russia, 59 pin adapters first post you!


Forget DVI?
By kextyn on 2/27/2006 8:44:15 AM , Rating: 2
This thing outputs DVI! It's not a replacement. In this case it's being used to have 2 DVI outputs where there isn't physically enough space for it.

Also HDMI is compatible with DVI, the only exception being that it can carry audio as well. What this means is they can make Y adapters to output 2xHDMI, HDMI/DVI or HDMI/15pin VGA. And if they really want to they can let you plug in audio to it. So you may have a Y adapter at the video card, but you will only have one cable for audio and video to your home theater system.




RE: Forget DVI?
By RamarC on 2/27/2006 1:42:09 PM , Rating: 2
I'm waiting for a mfg to combine a video card and a sound card -- that's when HDMI on video card will make sense. A single PCIe card should be able to expose itself as multiple devices and more-advanced GPUs could off-load some audio processing. But considering SB-Live!s are only $35 retail, a two-chip combo card should only be a smidgen more than a video-only version.

I think a Creative/Radeon X1700 or TurtleBeach/nVidia 7600 would be great cards for home theatre PCs.


RE: Forget DVI?
By rika13 on 2/27/2006 2:00:38 PM , Rating: 2
as in the NV1?

nvidia's first card was an integrated sound/graphics accelerator that supported higher order surfaces and could even make a perfect sphere (not the geodesic dome outta a bajillion triangles, a REAL sphere)

of course quadratic texture maps were a bitch to program for and D3D had polygons as the industry standard


RE: Forget DVI?
By saxonww on 2/27/2006 5:58:27 PM , Rating: 2
How about the Media Vision "Thunder and Lightning" card? I used to own one, it was a 16 bit ISA combo VGA/Sound card.

http://www.resoo.org/docs/_hardware/th99/i/M-O/533...


RE: Forget DVI?
By kextyn on 2/27/2006 2:02:28 PM , Rating: 2
Check out the pictures of the 7900GT. You don't need the audio chip on the same card as the video. All you need is a digital signal from the sound card implanted into the HDMI. Its more of a passthrough then anything. When it becomes mainstream it will be nothing more than plugging in a cable from the sound card to the video card just like we do now from the CD-ROM to the sound card.


RE: Forget DVI?
By ShinoOoo on 2/27/2006 7:51:43 PM , Rating: 2
You are slightly mistaken here.
I will not cease to repeat it but;
DVI is a double standard; DVI-I (Analog&Digital) and DVI-D (Digital only)
HDMI is a Digital Only, and is compatible with DVI-D only, and yet only a wide HDMI, the one with 6 TMDS links. Because yes, there is a short HDMI connector with only 3 TMDS links, though I've never seen it elesewhere than in the spec.
Conclusion : HDMI is strictly not compatible with RGB/VGA, unless you use .. guess what .. another adapter!

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition


mistake
By bobobeastie on 2/27/2006 10:42:35 AM , Rating: 2
but if it did TEH DMS59 interface would have no problem transmitting the signal we are told.

"the", I assume.




RE: mistake
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 2/27/2006 2:57:23 PM , Rating: 2
Whoops. I've been hanging around this guy too much:
http://omid.tomshardware.com/

Fixed.


RE: mistake
By bobobeastie on 2/27/2006 3:41:53 PM , Rating: 2
I read about half of that 1st blog entry, "fan boooey" (used 9 times) I've never seen it spelled that way. I think the work speaks more about the user than the intended target. Boooey, is that supposed to be like boo hoo? or perhaps like a buoy?

On a side note, assuming you dont already, it could be a pretty good sit-com if you two were room mates.

lol, a quick google search shows one result for "fanbooeys".


RE: mistake
By Alexvrb on 2/28/2006 2:16:37 PM , Rating: 2
He made one point though. Some of the reporting here lately has been sloppy or otherwise reeked of propaganda - and I'm not referring to "teh". I don't care about the occasional typo.

It's the kind of rockball-fight-in-glass-snowforts situation that bothers me.


OEM
By DigitalFreak on 2/27/2006 8:38:30 AM , Rating: 2
This connector works great for low profile cards, where you wouldn't normally be able to get dual monitor support. Dell uses it on their Optiplex systems.




No more new connectors...We need HDCP compliance
By SunAngel on 2/27/06, Rating: 0
Is that dual-link DVI?
By Cybert1441 on 2/27/2006 5:06:14 PM , Rating: 2
That is a good question.




Seems more like an ATI problem
By tjr508 on 2/27/06, Rating: 0
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