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PCs will be able to wake up to get software updates and downloads

When it comes to saving power across a huge business or enterprise, a small savings in power consumption can add up to a huge savings in electricity use. This is the big reason that many companies were updating to more power efficient data centers over the last few years.

Ford has been moving towards a much greener operation with new vehicles like the 2011 Ford Mustang that offer power and performance without sacrificing fuel economy. Ford is also looking at other methods of improving its green footprint and saving money internally. The carmaker has announced that it plans to start shutting down computers at night to save money and reduce its electricity use.

The new program is called PC Power management and it will set power saving settings on Windows laptops and desktop around the company to reduce wasted power. The program will shut down any computer not in use overnight and on the weekends. The program will also ensure that all of the computers that are shut down and connected to the Ford intranet can be woke up to receive software downloads during off work hours.

Ford has stated that it expects to save $1.2 million annually in reduced electricity use alone once the system is implemented fully. A reduction in the Ford carbon footprint is estimated to be in the 16,000 to 25,000 metric ton range each year.

"In the past, as many as 60 percent of Ford's PC users haven't shut their PCs off at the end of the business day, resulting in wasted energy," said Keith Forte, Ford IT project supervisor. "Going forward, we'll be able to manage PC power consumption more efficiently while minimizing interruptions during the working day as a result of software updates."

Ford is using software form a company called 1E known as NightWatchman to turn the machines off when not in use. 1E claims that about $2.8 billion per year in wasted electricity comes from computers that are not turned off.



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Amazing
By arazok on 3/30/2010 10:49:48 AM , Rating: 3
Wow, look at that. The free market at work finding efficiencies, all by itself.

I guess you don’t need the government to regulate everything after all.




RE: Amazing
By Shig on 3/30/2010 10:58:54 AM , Rating: 5
It only took 25 years of using PC's and a massive green movement for companies to figure out they could save money by turning them off at night.

Truly amazing!


RE: Amazing
By n0ebert on 3/30/2010 11:36:57 AM , Rating: 4
They probably discovered it by accident too. A janitor at the office accidentally flipped a switch that turned them off then they noticed the savings in their power bill.


RE: Amazing
By rvd2008 on 3/30/2010 2:33:29 PM , Rating: 2
don't be nuts. I am sure in a massive Ford electricity usage this is drop in the ocean. They simply did not bother until now.


RE: Amazing
By Reclaimer77 on 3/30/2010 12:55:06 PM , Rating: 5
I don't give a shit about Ford saving money. What I want to see is an article saying the Federal goddamned Government is doing this, and saving BILLIONS !!


RE: Amazing
By tank171 on 3/30/10, Rating: -1
RE: Amazing
By BansheeX on 3/30/2010 10:57:54 PM , Rating: 3
Oh, the surreal world in which we live. The Supreme Court pretends that the 10th amendment doesn't exist. Half the country is convinced that increasing liabilities and not assets is the path to prosperity, that borrowing from China at interest to create non-exportable roads and services is the solution to our ills. The voting base can't detect insincerity and ignores the few candidates who aren't lobbied. And people who receive government checks can still vote, so they will continue to vote in their short-term self-interest at the ultimate expense of some future generation who is going to get absolutely creamed.


RE: Amazing
By bighairycamel on 3/30/2010 11:37:44 AM , Rating: 4
If I had a dollar for every article that turned politcal...


RE: Amazing
By Shig on 3/30/2010 11:37:22 AM , Rating: 1
Couldn't help myself.


RE: Amazing
By quiksilvr on 3/30/2010 9:50:15 PM , Rating: 3
We would no longer be in a recession.


RE: Amazing
By Motoman on 3/30/2010 11:51:32 AM , Rating: 5
[facepalm]

...right. Because it hasn't been, you know, blindingly obvious since the dawn of metered electrical service, that turning off an electrical device when you don't need it would save you money on your electric bill.

Am I the only one deeply disturbed by the fact that Ford just now figured this out?

Next week, Ford engineers are going to discover that they can enhance their dryness by coming inside when it starts raining, instead of standing there wondering why they're getting wet.


RE: Amazing
By Anoxanmore on 3/30/2010 12:25:34 PM , Rating: 2
Wait a minute, I thought unnatural dryness was bad... isn't that what the commericals say?

; - )


RE: Amazing
By stromgald30 on 3/30/10, Rating: -1
RE: Amazing
By Motoman on 3/30/2010 1:08:49 PM , Rating: 5
If the boot-up time takes so long as to make a significant difference in your productivity hours (shut down time is irrelevant - you tell the PC to shut down and you leave. You're not there waiting for it) then there is something seriously wrong with your PCs.

...as you note, you certainly could have a management system that boots all the PCs for you in the morning (a WOL kind of thing, perhaps), and cut out that tiny amount of time.

From my experience though, people get to work, turn on their PC, and then go get coffee or hit the restroom or whatever. I find it highly dubious that the boot up time is going to be conspicuous at all.


RE: Amazing
By eadams9 on 3/30/2010 3:46:45 PM , Rating: 2
In addition to the WOL abilities, the PCs here have an "auto-turnon" scheduleable time in the BIOS. Turns it on for you like clockwork. Mine comes on at 8:00AM weekdays, I'm usually here by 8:30. No wasted time at all.


RE: Amazing
By Ticholo on 3/31/2010 12:08:06 PM , Rating: 4
But then you waste time reading and commenting on articles online! :D (j/k)


RE: Amazing
By stromgald30 on 3/30/2010 6:25:45 PM , Rating: 2
It's not just the boot-up time. Even the 1-2 minutes to bring up the work you had open yesterday outweighs the cost of having a computer idle-ing over night if the user is paid $20/hour or higher. I'm not saying it affects productivity significantly (i.e. 5 minute out of a 480 minute work day), but the cost of that time is much greater than the cost of the electricity.

People seem to have the misconception that electricity costs a lot more than the cost of an employee's time. I'm just trying to point out that people aren't looking at the whole picture. It's not as simple or great of an idea as the article makes it seem.

Of course, the added benefit of shutting things down is simply being 'green' and helping the environment and power grid load, which isn't measured in my assessment of cost/economics. I'm not arguing against doing it, just that it's not an economic boon as the article/Ford suggests.


RE: Amazing
By jonmcc33 on 3/30/10, Rating: 0
RE: Amazing
By Motoman on 3/30/2010 1:43:02 PM , Rating: 2
I call BS.

Provide evidence for your assertion of additional warranty repairs and wear and tear on the hardware.

I'm pretty damned sure that letting a hard drive spin all night every night costs it a lot more life than shutting the PC off when you don't need it.


RE: Amazing
By Reclaimer77 on 3/30/2010 1:56:22 PM , Rating: 1
Well actually from my personal experience hard drives seem to fail on their spin-down powerdown cycle more often than any other time in operation.

So I say screw the power bill and leave my PC on 24/7/365. Even though with an SSD drive I probably don't have to buuut...old habits lol.

Plus it helps keep my room nice and cozy at night :P


RE: Amazing
By Hiawa23 on 3/30/2010 2:35:35 PM , Rating: 2
always politcal, what a novel idea. What next, don't start wars you can't pay for anymore, I am sure that would have saved the govt alot of $$$ & many lives. You see, looks like you can make almost everything politcal. This politcal hateraid is ruining this country.


RE: Amazing
By blueboy09 on 3/30/2010 8:05:55 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, considering that they didn't need a bailout shows you haow smart Ford is thinking when it goes on is own steam! Eat that GM! - BLUEBOY


RE: Amazing
By DanD85 on 3/31/10, Rating: 0
RE: Amazing
By Byte on 3/31/2010 5:40:43 PM , Rating: 2
How about just setting standby to kick in every half hour.


Tools
By Danger D on 3/30/10, Rating: 0
RE: Tools
By Spivonious on 3/30/2010 10:44:35 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, can't you just set the computers to sleep when idle? It doesn't save as much as being off, but it's better than leaving them on 24/7.


RE: Tools
By jajig on 3/30/2010 10:58:27 AM , Rating: 2
In my work place the computers go to sleep after 15 minutes idle and use night watchman to shutdown the computers at 7pm. Our team of sustainability people need to show they are doing all they can, and with the 7pm shutdown they can show off a nice graph to illustrate the power savings.


RE: Tools
By kamel5547 on 3/30/2010 11:35:54 AM , Rating: 2
The issue with sleep and hibernate (as opposed to off) is that it is harder to do updates at night. You either end up being to permissive with the LAN wake-up condition (to the point the PC never actually sleeps) or to restrictive and can't do your updates. Sleep actually ends up costing money because updates that don't process at night will process in the morning when the user wakes up the PC.


RE: Tools
By stromgald30 on 3/30/2010 12:38:41 PM , Rating: 3
Exactly. The article only talks about energy savings. The economics would also probably look a lot less rosy if they considered the work lost from waiting 2 minutes each day for boot up.

At 12 cents/kWh, a computer (~100W idle) costs about 20 cents for the extra 16 hours of idle time. If an engineer is paid $30/hour, 2 minutes is worth $1. That's also ignoring the power increase with boot-up/shut-down, and any additional delays from having to wait for updates.


RE: Tools
By tim851 on 3/30/2010 7:15:36 PM , Rating: 1
Again with the productivity.

What kind of drones are you people?

When a regular human being arrives at their desk, they don't immediately start being productive. It takes a little time to reset after the commute, maybe engage co-workers in a little smalltalk, figure out exactly what you should do first. Ample time for some boot-up.

The extra power for boot up is just a tiny fraction of the costs of having your computer run for 12 hours for no good reason.

Also, the article specifically mentions a power management system. It's probably very capable of booting up the machines wednesday nights for updates and maintenance.

I agree that there is a certain Green Craze going round, but the counterpart isn't pretty either. People believing every attempt at conserving energy and doing something nice for the environment is just part of some commu-islamic Naziplot to destroy America.


RE: Tools
By dani31 on 3/30/2010 10:47:31 AM , Rating: 2
If you don't wipe your butt than probably a lot of people would be asking that app be forced on you.


RE: Tools
By xler8r on 3/30/2010 10:51:49 AM , Rating: 3
Hey, they did just come out with that underwear for old people that texts you when you wet your panties...so theres a start.


Their patch teams will be mad as hell...
By iFX on 3/30/2010 12:13:52 PM , Rating: 2
That's when these guys push updates.




RE: Their patch teams will be mad as hell...
By mikecel79 on 3/30/2010 3:50:45 PM , Rating: 2
RTFA. 1E uses WOL to wake machines up to do patches. It's probably integrated with SCCM for doing patch management.


RE: Their patch teams will be mad as hell...
By iFX on 3/30/2010 7:20:28 PM , Rating: 2
ESAD, jerk. I read the article. WOL isn't always reliable or available. As someone who does this for a living, I'll take my experience over yours.


RE: Their patch teams will be mad as hell...
By mikecel79 on 3/30/2010 8:46:41 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe you need to go back to your network design then. We've been using WOL for over 2 years now on a 10k node network with very few issues. Take it from someone that does very network administration for very large networks.


By iFX on 4/9/2010 6:30:18 PM , Rating: 2
10k is nothing so get off your high horse. WOL isn't reliable because the the client HARDWARE, not because of anything to do with the network. Get a clue.


By Amiga500 on 3/30/2010 12:17:49 PM , Rating: 4
When the stupid bstards in IT shut down their FEA and CFD runs overnight.

Speaking from first hand, getting them to recognise that work-stations doing heavy compute stuff without a user present need to be treated very differently from a run-of-the-mill "word"-station.

Renault F1 have a much better idea, each night the computers log into a master node, which distributes HPC jobs for them to be getting on with. Adds to their capabilties without having to fork out for massive clusters.




By mikecel79 on 3/30/2010 3:48:53 PM , Rating: 2
In a company of Ford's size engineer's schedule their simulations on huge clusters of servers so their machine does not need to be powered on for this. It's much more efficient to schedule jobs on a cluster of machines than have individual engineers run simulations on their workstations.

Besides what if the power goes out? It's not really economical for Ford to provide a UPS for every engineer that wants to run simulations.


We use the same program at my work place
By jajig on 3/30/2010 10:50:00 AM , Rating: 2
People use to ring up tech support and complain that the program shut down their computer while they had work open, and they had now lost (insert ridiculous number) hours of work. Unfortunately for them the program saves any open files so there is no data loss.

This program has worked well for my 3000 head company after the initial batch of complaints from the lazy people.




By kzrssk on 3/30/2010 11:25:40 AM , Rating: 2
Ah, so it does do just more than shut it off. Here I was thinking "there have been system management tools and BIOS settings able to do that for years," (which is how we did it at my last company), "but Ford is acting like it's brand-new tech!"

Though I still can't shake that feeling that Ford probably thinks they're big damn heroes.


Question
By TheHarvester on 3/30/2010 1:06:35 PM , Rating: 2
Is there any reason that all companies of any size can't do something similar? Is there currently enterprise-wide type network software that allows for each individual employee to set a turn-off/wake-up time for whenever their normal workday hours are (while obviously allowing network admins to do the updates they need to by remotely waking up the machines)? Seems like a no-brainer, but I haven't heard of something like this out there. Where I work, all the IT people tell us it's mandatory to leave our computers on so they can do their updates.




RE: Question
By ZachDontScare on 3/30/2010 2:18:08 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Is there any reason that all companies of any size can't do something similar?

No... since most of it (powering down drives and monitors) is already built into Windows.

I'm highly dubious about the actual savings they'll get out of this vs had they just used Window's own power saving features.


How much does it cost?
By ZachDontScare on 3/30/2010 2:15:44 PM , Rating: 4
Why wouldnt I be suprised if the nightwatchman licensing costs $1.3 million?




Certainly worthwhile...
By KingConker on 3/30/2010 10:54:04 AM , Rating: 2
We are a UK Independent School with around 600 PCs/laptops and have been doing this successfully for a number of years or so.

On weekdays there is as a server initiated shutdown at 16.30 for workstations where no user is currently logged on, then a secondary forced shutdown at 19.30 which logs off any remaining user and shuts down the rest of the machines.

They WOL at 6.30 am each weekday morning and remain off at weekends.

M




Hold on...
By dayanth on 3/30/2010 12:45:57 PM , Rating: 2
I had to turn off my monitor after reading this article to comment on it. It's making typing this comment a bit difficult since I can't read what I'm typing.

Shouldn't everyone realize that they could save money on their power bill by turning off their electrical equipment when they're not using it?




Better Solution
By cerebro on 3/31/2010 9:29:19 AM , Rating: 2
SetPower is a less intrusive solution that lets you build schedules around when people work. During off hours it sets up the power profiles such that machines can fall asleep, and during the day it keeps them on so people are not annoyed that they have to wake their machines when returning from lunch. The home version is free. You can also setup the schedules to wake the machines prior to employees arriving at work.




Leave on let them work
By yammerpickle2 on 4/1/2010 1:23:54 AM , Rating: 2
I'm surprised that everyone is not talking about the thousands of wasted CPU hours that could be used for distributed computing projects like folding@home or running design optimizations.




Productivity Loss?
By GeekWithFire on 4/5/2010 11:41:12 AM , Rating: 2
That last number that I found from Ford on employee count was about 1.9 million. If only 25% of those are computer users, and 60% of them are the offenders leaving them on at night, that comes to about 291K+ computers. If it then costs them 3 minutes of downtime in the morning to boot up, login and get started, with an average $20/hour salary (and I'm sure the average is higher) for 245 working days in the year, the productivity hit will cost Ford $71.5 million annually.

I've made quite a bit of assumptions in the math, but my point is, you have to look a the big picture.




Let me guess....
By rtrski on 3/30/10, Rating: -1
RE: Let me guess....
By Anoxanmore on 3/30/2010 10:39:27 AM , Rating: 1
I don't think so. If the company I worked for did this it would save quite a bit, although not as much as say Ford. We only have a few hundred PC's.

Only problem I can see is boot up times in the morning > 10 minutes at times, but then the computer I'm on is still using a Celeron 430 @ 1.8ghz 1GB SDRam 133 ...

At least I am on XP and not 98 like my last employer.


RE: Let me guess....
By HotFoot on 3/30/2010 11:10:37 AM , Rating: 2
lol Too true. My workplace has provided a very nice computer for me, but given how much extra stuff loads on it when I boot it up - well my routine is to fire it up and then go and get coffee. By the time I'm back I still have to wait for the machine.

I'm tempted to see if a SSD in the thing would solve many of these problems, but I'm not sure what portion of the load time is load on the local HDD or going through the network.


RE: Let me guess....
By Anoxanmore on 3/30/2010 11:55:02 AM , Rating: 2
If I was in IT I'd have a 32 GB SSD in all of these machines.

They are inexpensive enough, and the load times would be crazy silly fast with Win XP 32 Sp 3 :)

I requested to use IE 8 to fix the IE 7 memory leak error...(I open a lot of tabs while working, and actually has to do with work, IE 7 doesn't release the page file in use unless closed and even then only releases like 60% causing a virtual memory error 2 hrs later) and they told me (IT) that it isn't needed and my page file (1.5GB) doesn't need to be increased. Computer boots with 600MB in page file memory in use already. :(


RE: Let me guess....
By clovell on 3/30/2010 12:41:15 PM , Rating: 2
That's lame, man. I work as a statistician, and I frequently have huge docs, datasets, analysis software, and explorer tabs open all the time.

I can't believe that I have to make do with 2 GB of memory - I really wish I could at least go to four. I can't believe that IT would actually lock down your pagefile - at 1.5 GB, no less. What a bunch of morons...

The part that sucks is that in my experience IT departments tend to deploy hardware on a cookie-cutter basis. The fact that I have the same computer as the folks in accounting just wears on me.


RE: Let me guess....
By Anoxanmore on 3/30/2010 2:32:33 PM , Rating: 2
It could always be worse though, so I do try to look in the bright side of things most of the time.

They could cut off DT access, then I'd be really bored while waiting for the documents to load (have to DL them from off-shore).

I remember working in IT when the rest of the company had no clue about how to run a network, so I was able to do what I wanted and run it how I saw fit. They let me go after they had a year and a half of no issues. (They didn't want to upgrade the aging computers back in 2002 from the PIV Willamettes).


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