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Ford Fusion Hybrid
Ford has had not one failure of its electric motors despite 80M miles and 380,000 in the field

The Detroit News reports that Ford's hybrid powertrains and battery packs are nearly perfect despite the its hybrid fleet having racked up 80 million miles in heavy-duty use with taxi cabs in San Francisco. Out of the 42,629,318 battery cells in use – which are the size of a household D-cell battery -- only five cells have failed. That huge number of cells was used to make 190,000 individual battery packs for hybrid vehicles. 

Ford currently has 380,000 electric motors in the field packed inside those 190,000 hybrids sold so far and out of that number of electric motors not a single one has failed so far. Despite the fact that the electric motors and battery packs are already achieving very impressive levels of quality, Ford is still working to make things better.

Ford currently has an 88% satisfaction rate for the Fusion Hybrid, which is better than the higher volume Toyota Prius that is the watermark for many hybrids on the market. That figure comes from data collected by research firm RDA Group for Ford.

Bob Taenaka is Ford's hybrid battery technical leader said, "The development of batteries for hybrids is a lot like rocket science." That might sound like a boastful statement, but Taenaka should know considering his last job was at NASA designing batteries for the Galileo spacecraft.

The Detroit News reports that Ford sold 34,000 hybrids in 2010 and that sales overall this year have not grown despite the fact that there are more hybrid and electric vehicles on the market today than ever before. Ford is set to increase the number of hybrids and EVs it builds in 2012.

Dave Sullivan from research firm AutoPacific Inc said, "For many people, hybrids and electric cars are almost like halo cars — they draw more people to the dealership, but not everyone buys them."

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Ford Quality
By chmilz on 7/24/2011 9:30:45 PM , Rating: 5
It may have been a joke in the 90's, but they sure have it nailed down now.

RE: Ford Quality
By Iaiken on 7/24/2011 9:36:42 PM , Rating: 2
And most of what we see from Ford today was payed for by the Taurus, Crown Vic and Tempo... X_x

RE: Ford Quality
By AssBall on 7/24/2011 10:44:30 PM , Rating: 1
Better throw in the f-150, focus, escort(EU) and transit(EU) in there, all super successful vehicles.

RE: Ford Quality
By RU482 on 7/24/11, Rating: -1
RE: Ford Quality
By icanhascpu on 7/25/11, Rating: 0
RE: Ford Quality
By Samus on 7/25/2011 1:23:48 AM , Rating: 1
It may have been a joke in the 90's, but they sure have it nailed down now.

I'd say Ford was a bigger joke in the 80's, but that Jack Nasser Firestone Tire thing was pretty "jacked."

Ford-Mazda platform sharing is widely considered the most successful joint venture in automotive history. It prevented Mazda from bankrupcy in the 70's, and it prevented Ford from bankrupcy in the 00's.

RE: Ford Quality
By AMDftw on 7/25/2011 7:12:53 AM , Rating: 1
yea no joke. My wife's 07 f150 already smokes on a cold start up. stupid valve seats. wtf is up with the almost 100 dollar spark plugs?

RE: Ford Quality
By Manch on 7/25/2011 8:06:24 AM , Rating: 3
must be a 3V. If you havent changed them out already, run sea foam thru the engine first and go slow pulling those things. You do not want to break a plug off in those heads! They have newer versions of those plugs that are one piece design. The seafoam will help with the smoking.

RE: Ford Quality
By Jeffk464 on 7/26/2011 8:16:58 AM , Rating: 2
Not one single thing has gone wrong with my 2005 Tacoma.

RE: Ford Quality
By shaidorsai on 7/26/2011 6:58:43 PM , Rating: 2
And ? You must have gotten the good one.

RE: Ford Quality
By inperfectdarkness on 7/25/2011 8:54:36 AM , Rating: 4
it's great that hybrids are in demand & working well. i'd still rather have ecoboost v6.

RE: Ford Quality
By tng on 7/25/2011 11:05:45 AM , Rating: 2
I agree, but here is something from the article that got me.
The Detroit News reports that Ford sold 34,000 hybrids in 2010 and that sales overall this year have not grown
So they are investing big, quality is good, but the sales are not growing? Seems like they know something that we don't?

RE: Ford Quality
By CharonPDX on 7/25/2011 5:50:07 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, the massive incentives that were offered last year to buy new cars have expired.

Doeng et rong:
By CZroe on 7/24/2011 11:17:12 PM , Rating: 2
"Ford currently has an 88% satisfaction rate for the Fusion Hybrid, which is better than the higher volume Toyota Prius that is the watermark for many hybrids on the market."

Wrong kind of "mark." ;)

Anyway, I've been driving a 1996 Taurus for a few years and I am impressed by what it's supposed to be, but every little thing is failure-prone, from the electronics to the struts holding the hood up. When my sister and I reluctantly took her Ford Escort to a a few junk yards to scrap it (cracked head gasket), all of the salvage guys were salivating over the wrong car (Taurus)! When they heard which car we were selling (Escort), they all expressed disappointment. Funny. I prefered the Escort. I guess the parts market is driven by what everyone else prefers though. ;)

RE: Doeng et rong:
By sprockkets on 7/24/2011 11:28:23 PM , Rating: 2
yeah, your gen taurus (the one with all the circles right?) has a bad rep at the ford dealership for breaking. pretty much ford didn't clean up until this generation. now they are at or better than the stuff from japan.

RE: Doeng et rong:
By Jeffk464 on 7/25/2011 1:19:31 AM , Rating: 2
Driving that Taurus I think my spirit would break before the car.

RE: Doeng et rong:
By Samus on 7/25/2011 1:30:40 AM , Rating: 1
The Taurus was a great car until Nasser screwed it up. The year they changed the design (1996) was the same year the Camry outsold it (1997) and has continued to this day.

The funny thing is, for the Camry to be successful, all the Japanese had to do was take the old Taurus recipe: american styling, high safety, large trunk , good fuel economy, automatic transmission, excellent ride quality and a price starting at $15k.

The Accord and Nissan Maxima took that recipe but cost thousands more. They also felt "Japanese" on the inside with a skinny steering wheel, fidly knobs, a standard transmission, and the horn. The horn, people. Have you ever heard a 1998 Honda Accord honk? Who the hell is going to move out of the way for that?

RE: Doeng et rong:
By BZDTemp on 7/25/11, Rating: -1
RE: Doeng et rong:
By Jeffk464 on 7/25/2011 9:12:46 AM , Rating: 1
The fusion is a joint project with Mazda.

RE: Doeng et rong:
By shaidorsai on 7/26/2011 7:02:52 PM , Rating: 1
Say what you will but my neighbor has more bills from her Camry than a pond full of ducks. It's no problem though since my Fusion has never been back to the dealership I can give her rides to pick up and drop off the Camry.

Something's not right with these numbers
By DanNeely on 7/25/2011 1:27:26 AM , Rating: 2
80M miles, and 190k vehicles is only 421 miles/vehicle.

By kstatefan40 on 7/25/2011 2:52:44 AM , Rating: 2
The author made an awkward transition - the numbers are right.

The 80 million miles figure was in reference to the Fusion's use as a taxi cab in San Francisco. The 0 battery failures is in relationship to the number of battery packs in use in SFO. The 190,000 cars is in reference to total units sold worldwide.

I thought the same thing the first time I read the paragraph - it took me a minute to sort all the statistics out.

Their batteries might be perfect ...
By chick0n on 7/24/11, Rating: -1
RE: Their batteries might be perfect ...
By AssBall on 7/24/2011 11:10:16 PM , Rating: 3
It's hard to make a counter point to something as vague, anecdotal, and example-less as "My friend says it sucks".

So I guess you must be right.

RE: Their batteries might be perfect ...
By chick0n on 7/24/11, Rating: -1
By rodrigu3 on 7/24/2011 11:53:02 PM , Rating: 2
I own a fusion hybrid and the only thing I've had wrong with it was that it leaked transmission fluid once, but the repairs were covered under warranty. Since then I haven't had any problems. I love the car and think your friend is just unlucky or is feeding you crap.

By Whedonic on 7/25/2011 2:22:25 AM , Rating: 2
chick0n, while I have no doubt that your friend and his problems with his Fusion are real, what you said still only amounts to vague anecdotal evidence, as AssBall noted. It'd be more helpful to the conversation if you could fill in more details.

By troysavary on 7/25/2011 10:11:41 AM , Rating: 1
"OH it WORKS FINE!" are words, not numbers. Just saying.

By shaidorsai on 7/26/2011 7:08:15 PM , Rating: 1
I never take advice from people who are clearly uneducated. My 2009 Fusion looks great and has always run reliably...and since I actually own one I think I'll go with what my own experience has been. The car is very well made and is very comfortable.

RE: Their batteries might be perfect ...
By RU482 on 7/24/2011 11:13:05 PM , Rating: 1
I really like the exterior of the Fusion. Considering I am in the market for a new car, I started doing research. I was appalled by the number of unique complaints of transmission problems with their 6-auto. I keep hearing about how great Ford is....

RE: Their batteries might be perfect ...
By Jeffk464 on 7/25/2011 1:21:35 AM , Rating: 2
Honda is still top for not breaking.

By Jeffk464 on 7/25/2011 1:25:21 AM , Rating: 2
Toyota took the hit, but Honda got unfairly grouped in. Guilt by association. :)

RE: Their batteries might be perfect ...
By Gungel on 7/25/2011 8:38:36 AM , Rating: 2
Are you kidding, my 2002 Honda Odyssey was the biggest POS I've ever owned. I had to replace 2 transmissions, 2 AC compressors, water pump, alternator, countless repairs for the sliding doors and the engines main bearing wore out at 140k miles. And most of these repairs happened after the warranty expired. I'll never ever buy another Honda again.

RE: Their batteries might be perfect ...
By Jeffk464 on 7/25/2011 9:11:27 AM , Rating: 2
No I'm not kidding and you can't look at single car stories. Look at the statistics at consumer reports or edmunds. Honda has exceptional reliability.

RE: Their batteries might be perfect ...
By Gungel on 7/25/2011 10:26:17 AM , Rating: 1
This is not just a single story. Go to one of the fan sites and you'll find thousands of owners with similar problems. Especially transmissions failing and engine problems. Statics don't show the big pictures because companies like Consumer Report and JDPowers don't track cars that are older or repaired by a repair shop and not a Honda dealer.

RE: Their batteries might be perfect ...
By tng on 7/25/2011 11:12:03 AM , Rating: 2
Consumer Report and JDPowers don't track cars that are older
So how much older do they have to be to be excluded? Doesn't the fact that are a bunch of older Honda's out there to be news is speaking for itself?

By mindless1 on 7/25/2011 3:08:22 PM , Rating: 2
There are a "bunch" of many makes of older vehicles out there.

Look at what sends a car to the junkyard. It's the cost of repair versus the value of the vehicle once repaired. Since some cars depreciate less than others, these cars will be more viable for repair and kept on the road longer, all else being equal.

However, I do feel that they are overall higher quality than same size Ford, GM, Chrysler cars of the era... but get in one of those old cars and you're still going to think "piece of crap" compared to a modern automobile from any of the aforementioned manufacturers.

By Nutzo on 7/25/2011 11:35:39 AM , Rating: 3
Consumer Reports tracks problems based on a survey they send thier readers. Where the car was repaired has nothing to do with it. The ratings do only go back 8 years, so if your car is older then that you are out of luck.

As for the Honda Odyssey, it was probably Honda's least reliable car. When I was looking at minivans back in 2006, I rule out the Odyssey due the the large number of reported transmission problems.

However, just because one model line had a problem, it doesn't mean that the rest of the brand is bad. I currently drive an older Toyota Camry, but I wouldn't buy the current generation model with the V6 because of the number of problems reported.

By tng on 7/25/2011 11:02:58 AM , Rating: 1
Funny, individual stories are all just that "INDIVIDUAL".

Would it surprise you if I told you that I have had 4 Honda's and have never had a transmission go out? Did have a voltage regulator go, but other than that over about 1 million miles of driving, they were great.

We have also had 2 Odyssey minivans leased for work and never had any of the problems that you mention.

Of course that is just an individual story...

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